Part 4: Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again

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In episode 4 you will learn how OP has found new love in Romance section of nairaland and how he now loves his women (don't ask me whether porn is involved because you know the answer)

BTW I like the way Image123 always makes a mockery of this thread

Part 4: Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again

Click the link below for part four of this intriguing story.









































































































In episode 4 you will learn how OP has found new love in Romance section of nairaland and how he now loves his women (don't ask me whether porn is involved because you know the answer)

BTW I like the way Image123 always makes a mockery of this thread

Part 4: Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again

Click the link below for part four of this intriguing story.









































































































In episode 4 you will learn how OP has found new love in Romance section of nairaland and how he now loves his women (don't ask me whether porn is involved because you know the answer)

BTW I like the way Image123 always makes a mockery of this thread

Christ commanded, “As the Father sent me, so send I you.”

The Holy Prophet TB Joshua is highly anointed and powerfully ordained by Jesus Christ as the overwhelming biblical and scientifically verifiable evidence reveals for our convenience.

I Have learned more about the risen Christ and how to identify a fake pastor from a real pastor by watching Emmanuel TV and Youtube.com than any church I ever went to.

If you want to know if a Pastor is real or fake, simply examine his WORKS. The WORKS will reveal if a Pastor is recognized in heaven !

What are the "WORKS" Jesus always refer to : It is all the Miracles, Signs, Prophecy and the many Wonders given for our benefit so that we might believe that we are truly LOVED.

Examine what Christ is saying about himself;
John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the WORKS which the Father hath given me to finish, the same WORKS that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Christ commanded, “As the Father sent me, so send I you.”

HardMirror:

It would lead to more research and development that would better lives and society.

A good example is medicine. Knowing that there is no God to miraculously heal has lead to man helping himself. We have been progressing in developing medications, vaccines, surgical procedures to save lives.

Amputees have more hope relying on science to give them artificial limbs. There is absolutely no God that can give an amputee back his limbs.

Suffering people of all races and religions are now lovingly and effectively helped by the Holy Scoan Church and Emmanuel TV and youtube.com to overcome the centuries old trap laid for them by powerful church leaders, governments and influential Satanic groups.
See clearly how the Holy Gospels and the Holy Books Of ACTS come to life in Scoan Church Nigeria.

To the uninitiated/ungodly he said this,
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the WORKS(miracles, signs, prophecy and many wonders) that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists in Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater WORKS than these shall you do; because I go unto my Father.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches.

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them,”As my father sent me, so send I you.”
Jesus say clearly in these biblical refs that these WORKS that he does bear witness that the Father has sent him.

chrmn1:
Part 4: Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again

Click the link below for part four of this intriguing story.
























In episode 4 you will learn how OP has found new love in Romance section of nairaland and how he now loves his women (don't ask me whether porn is involved because you know the answer)

BTW I like the way Image123 always makes a mockery of this thread

Suffering people of all races and religions are now lovingly and effectively helped by the Holy Scoan Church and Emmanuel TV and youtube.com to overcome the centuries old trap laid for them by powerful church leaders, governments and influential Satanic groups.
See clearly how the Holy Gospels and the Holy Books Of ACTS come to life in Scoan Church Nigeria.

To the uninitiated/ungodly he said this,
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the WORKS(miracles, signs, prophecy and many wonders) that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

Gods miracle healings in the Holy Scoan Church have no negative side effects.
The Holy Prophet TB Joshua says, “It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home the same.” It is written, “Jesus and His Pastors healed everyone.” Freely – No charge!

The Holy Prophet TB Joshua freely gives evidence of scientific medically verifiable truth in the church and on Emmanuel TV and youtube.com 24hrs per day, 7 days per week.
Not that medical science can ever be the judge here, as history sadly proves. Science is entrenched in materialism, GOD IS SPIRIT.
In the Holy Scoan Church, Nigeria, people of many different religions and belief systems from all over the world are healed and delivered from demonic possession completely and then is often verified by a lower role player known as medical science.

The abundance of live testimonies is breath-taking. The Holy Prophet TB Joshua says, “It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home the same.” It is written, “Jesus and His Pastors healed everyone.” Freely – No charge !

HardMirror:

It would lead to more research and development that would better lives and society.

A good example is medicine. Knowing that there is no God to miraculously heal has lead to man helping himself. We have been progressing in developing medications, vaccines, surgical procedures to save lives.

Amputees have more hope relying on science to give them artificial limbs. There is absolutely no God that can give an amputee back his limbs.

There can be no more tragic expression of human foolishness and perversity than the Jewish nations rejection of The Messiah and the Pentecostal PNF rejection of the Holy Prophet TB Joshua. What is happening in the holy Scoan church Nigeria, was meant first for the Jewish nation, but tragically they rejected the awesome power.

In spite of hundreds of years of waiting and studying their scriptures concerning the coming of the MIRACLES, SIGNS AND WONDERS brought by the messiah Jesus Christ, they dismissed him and instigated his destruction. Two thousand years later, Israel is still rejecting the Messiah Jesus Christ. But Jesus lives on.

WARNING! NIGERIANS DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE THE JEWS MADE !
Jesus Christ’s birth, His miracles and Prophecies as demonstrated in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria, Jesus’ mastery of satin, His cruel death, His forgiveness of his murderers and His resurrection from the grave was needed as verifiable evidence of the mystical, supernatural creation nature of the only true God.

The Light of the only true God cannot be destroyed! God will not be mocked!

Sadly, Pastors at CAN & Pentecostal PFN still instigate the destruction of Jesus wherever His loving power is manifesting. They believe that the miracles in Scoan Nigeria are the work of Satan.

Today, Prophet TB Joshua of the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria is under the same attack from people that also claim to know God.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

On our journey to discover verified evidence of Jesus’ miracles, we found a very powerful spiritual source. It is the Scoan Church on Emmanuel TV.

These miracles are the easiest to verify because no one can come for healing without medical proof of the patients condition. After mind-blowing instant healings, the patients are sent back to have the results medically verified. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Warning ! Kwaku Bonsam and Freeze of cool FM's plan to destroy the Holy Scoan Nigeria failed again. Pentecostal PNF church leaders and websites, falso profeta and tbjoshuawatch are part of this satanic group. They are part of a spiritually sick satanic group that want see the continuation of the suffering of good people in Nigeria and the world.

Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor has even expelled any PentecostalFN members who attempt to get healing from The holy Prophet TB Joshua.. Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor makes his hatred for the Holy Prophet TB Joshua known clearly from the pulpit and in the pages of newspapers: He rants, “T.B. Joshua is not a Christian” he argues, "If T.B. Joshua can show me his pastor who pastored him before he said he was called into the ministry;
Pastor Ayo Oritsejaforif fumes indignantly, "If T.B. Joshua can tell me when he got converted and how he got converted, then the Pentecostals would consider him.”

No other pastor in history has ever been as thoroughly scrutinized as today’s internationally verified Prophet TB. Joshua.
History is full of examples of men being used by the Almighty without human mentorship. This awe inspiring event is not isolated to the instance of The Holy Prophet TB Joshua.

The chains binding innocent believers in Jesus Christ is being broken. The holy Prophet TB Joshua says lovingly, “ It is a SIN for sick people to go into a church, and then go home with same.”

dblackninja:


Aaah okay.
Do you think you are close to achieving your aim? Because a Christian can say that God himself provided medicines to cure our sicknesses... so it's only right (for a man with a common sense) to pray, apply the medicines and thank God for healing you through the herbs/medicines.

Is that scenario a real application of common sense?
If yes why? If no why??

Pastors run churches as their own private business while TB Joshua don’t even own a bank account.
Prophet TB Joshua is today, father to the fatherless, mother to the motherless, friend to the friendless, always giving because Jesus said, “It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Sadly, the gap between the so-called religious accusers and the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is ever widening as many leading pastors in the world are becoming more embroiled in the pursuit of money and material gain than the essence of Christ’s gospel and work. Kingdom business seems more like worldly business, with pastors making headlines for expensive acquisitions, lavish living and political speeches as opposed to solving problems, meeting needs and changing lives.
Ilobi Austin, a catholic in faith, wrote, “While God is ordering the Holy Prophet (T.B. Joshua’s) counterparts to acquire more automobiles and in some cases, private jets with cost in the billion bracket, the same God is asking the Holy Prophet TB Joshua to love humanity like himself and consequently, improve their earthly and heavenly fortunes. Prophet TB Joshua is today, father to the fatherless, mother to the motherless, friend to the friendless and government to the government-less. Little wonder then, that the good Lord magnanimously found him worthy for the arduous task of delivering his people from the vice grip of the devil. Such powers in the hands of such ministers, who have made the criticism of his ministries their pastime, would have seen deliverance going to the highest bidders.”
Investigations reveal that TB Joshua don’t even own a bank account. He simply gives away freely.

TB Joshua is the greatest anointed Pastor today !
Finally we all have loads of scientifically verifiable evidence coming out of Scoan Church Nigeria that proves the holy Gospels and the Holy Books of Acts to be accurate.
Too many False Pastors/ Rabbis, etc teach their congregations that a demon possessed pastor can do demonic deliverance and miraculous healings. History shows how we all have been brain-washed for hundreds of years by science, governments, the Pentecostal churches, Roman Catholic Churches, Old and New Apostolic Churches and many more.

You do remember what Jesus said when the evil Jewish priests told him that what he is doing - all the healing and deliverance - is done by the power of Satan. This is what the holy Prophet TB Joshua of Scoan Nigeria is also accused of today.

Jesus said to these so-called holy men. “Satan can’t and will not work against himself."

What does this mean?
Even if a so-called respected but false pastor/Bishop/Prophet/Clergyman try to heal or do demon deliverance, it can’t and won’t work. Satan can’t and won’t work against himself.
Finally we all have loads of scientifically verifiable evidence coming out of Scoan Church Nigeria that proves the holy Gospels and the Holy Books of Acts to be accurate. Truth seekers are eternally grateful to a humble servant of the true GOD, Prophet TB Joshua.

dblackninja:

Oh the Christian God.

tempem:

This is his point, if there is no God, what's the purpose of being on earth?

It is written “The WORD became flesh and made His dwelling amongst us.”
This statement to the world is the most significant and memorable ever written.
Its implications are unlimited. This is the key to the understanding of the mystery of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the WORD.

There can be no more tragic expression of human foolishness and perversity than the Jews rejection of The Messiah. In spite of hundreds of years of waiting and studying their scriptures concerning the coming of Jesus Christ, they dismissed him and instigated his destruction. The Jews plan failed, Jesus is risen from death. God will not be mocked !

Jesus Christ’s birth, His miracles, His mastery of satin, His cruel death, His forgiveness of his murderers and His resurrection from the grave was needed as verifiable evidence of the mystical, supernatural creation nature of God.

Today many Pastors including CAN and Pentecostal PNF leaders still instigate the destruction of the true Jesus were ever His loving power is manifesting. Today, the holy Prophet TB Joshua of the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria is under the same attack from people that also claim to know God.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. On our journey to discover scientifically verifiable evidence of Jesus’ miracles, we found a very powerful, scientifically verifiable source. It is the Scoan Church on Emmanual tv.

tonio2wo:

Ur topic and post are confusing, are u the pastor or atheist?

The truth is finally out !
It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home the same. It is written: ‘Jesus and His Pastors/disciples healed everyone.”

These fake Pastors, spiritualists and medical professionals only want position and money. Jesus heals for free. No charge !
The truth is finally out ! It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home with the same problems.

A few honest Pastors and doctors see no problem sending their terminally ill to the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

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The Holy Gospels show clearly how Jesus taught his apprentice Pastors/disciples, the training was to demonstrate the true love of God to all the people of this evil world. The Pastors have cowardly blamed the peoples lack of faith for no miracles, that way they shift the blame from themselves. All this is false.

It is written : "Jesus healed them all." and the apprentice Pastors were trained to heal them all. They did it all the time.
Why cant pastors heal the terrible suffering of their followers ?

There is a lot of fear, envy and jealousy today from church clergy and spiritualists toward churches where everyone is healed and delivered.
In the Holy Scoan Church, people of many different religions and belief systems are healed completely and medically

ScienceWatch:
The truth is finally out !
It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home the same. It is written: ‘Jesus and His Pastors/disciples healed everyone.”

These fake Pastors, spiritualists and medical professionals only want position and money. Jesus heals for free. No charge !
The truth is finally out ! It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home with the same problems.

A few honest Pastors and doctors see no problem sending their terminally ill to the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

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The Holy Gospels show clearly how Jesus taught his apprentice Pastors/disciples, the training was to demonstrate the true love of God to all the people of this evil world. The Pastors have cowardly blamed the peoples lack of faith for no miracles, that way they shift the blame from themselves. All this is false.

It is written : "Jesus healed them all." and the apprentice Pastors were trained to heal them all. They did it all the time.
Why cant pastors heal the terrible suffering of their followers ?

There is a lot of fear, envy and jealousy today from church clergy and spiritualists toward churches where everyone is healed and delivered.
In the Holy Scoan Church, people of many different religions and belief systems are healed completely and medically

This thread is not about tb joshua. You are derailing the thread already.

tempem:

This is his point, if there is no God, what's the purpose of being on earth?

u r entitled to ur beliefs. But one question for u. Who created the world? And how did man came to be in existence.? All d things created that scientists used to improve modern medicine (raw materials)? The different species of plants and animals? Just because u didn't perform miracles does not mean God is fake. He sees ur innermost intentions. It is only an unwise person that says there is no God. God's ways are not man Ways. By praying 12 hours a day or fasting 70days in a year does not make u holy. Think hard mirror. I believe u exaggerated ur self to know God too much whereas u never knew him at all. No be by speaking in tongues or praying and fasting or expecting a miracle from God make u know him or conclude He must be fake. Many so called men Of God perform fake miracles. That does not mean God is fake.

HardMirror:
Simple.
Don't ask for my Name cos I am not ready to reveal my identity. Yes I am afraid of people than I am afraid of an imaginary God. I know how Nigerians hate atheists, not ready to be lynched.

Any other questions are welcomed

My guy, I salute una!
You have calculated the cost;
You weighed your risks;
You made your choices!

You forget to tell your audience that there is neither any conclusive physical proof for or against the existence of Yahweh God.

Since you are well versed in Biblical matters, you know with certainty that God as described in the scriptures is NOT made up of matter.

If God is NOT material, tell me how you can use a material means to prove or disprove Him.

Yes, I give it to you, you are 99.99% sure that God doesn't exist: how about the remaining 0.01% probability?

If Hell exists, you have calculated that you are not going to be alone: there will be a hoard of people and that seems improbable to you.

What is your aim?
That people will join you to reject God?

Your knowledge should tell you that, that is the same mission of Satan.

I will say, you are his apostle!

Why did God create mosquitoes is it for love of mankind or out of stupidity

The love of my life just left because i told her i doubt the existence of God. I love her so much but i told her i cannot be a christain. Hardmirror pls tell me about the power of holy ghost she fell because of it. Am just 20. I really need advice. Thanks

danielblessing:


This thread is not about tb joshua. You are derailing the thread already.

How do you came to that conclusion? My comment was not about TB Joshua, but directed to the most powerful and effective solution for atheism.

alpontif:
Hello Maazi HardMirror.

Very excellent decision you have made, if only God did not truly exist. Now I am not going to start quoting scripture for you, I hate doing that shit, it destroys objective reasoning. I am only going to tell you a bit of my own experience too.

I was born into a Muslim Family. I didnt finish secondary school before starting to doubt Islam, by my second year in the University, I had left Islam for good. It just did not make any sense to me.

Now, I dont just take decisions, I take informed decisions. I was a scholar then, I had covered both the Sunni and Shia sects of Islamic Knowledge and Jurispudence, I even studied the Intricacies of Sufism for a while, Could read the quran in my sleep, studied all the accepted hadiths, read the riyadul soliheen, bulugl malram, fiqhu sunnah and other classical Islamic texts...etc.

What I discovered was that it was a whole bunch of nonsense, the Ifa Corpus, if written down, makes more sense than the whole field of Islamic knowledge and Injunctions.

So what did I do?

I left Islam. for What?

For no Religion.

All this time that I was a Muslim, I also studied the bible, I not only studied the Bible, I studied the history of the present Bible we have, which most people dont know is a collection edited from collections of other Christian texts by the Catholic church. I have been studying the bible from my primary school days, back then, I always had the highest scores in CRK, in the whole school. It was my best subject, I saw it as a collection of very interesting stories , nothing more.

I understand all the idiosyncrasies of the Bible, the Contradictions, The differences between the Old testament Jehovah and the New Testament Jehovah, the Blood Filled pages of the bible, the genocides, the patricides, the massacres...etc.

It got to a stage that there is nothing any pastor can tell me in the bible that I cannot counter. I used to have a lot of fun atthe expense of Jehovah's witnesess, who I will deliberate lure into Biblical Arguments I know they cannot win logically.

An Example, If God is omniscient, and omnimerciful, That means he know Adm will eat the apple before he even created him, if he knew he will eat the apple, that means it was all part of his plan, if it was part of his plan, that means it was unfair to punish Adam for eating the apple, can we now say he is unfair, if he is unfair, that means he is not a merciful God, If you insist he his a merciful God, that means, he doesnt know Adam will eat the apple, if he doesnt know, then that means he is not ominiscient, if he is not omniscient, that means he is not God, which means he also has a creator blah blah.....

I tell you, the kind of logical fallacies I show to preaching pastors from the Bible was so much that I started pitying them whenever they make the mistake of trying to preach at me.

So you see, I was very deep in Logic and Philosophy. Objective reasoning was my thing, and i also have a pet peeve with the arrogance of chrisian preachers who do not even know anything about my ''religion'' before concluding that it is wrong. To preach to someone, you have to understand that person's point of view, you need to have an open mind, you need to know that you do not neccessarily have all the answers.

Also, some christians were so idiotic that they were actually very militant about Christianity. these are the ones you will see going indide mosques to preach to muslims, you will see them go to shrines to destroy Idols, they just go up and down exhibiting their ignorance for all the world to see.

At the same time as I was doing a ll this, I was also exploring the Ifa corpus, reading up, asking questions( that is a story for another day) I studied the intricacies of Yoruba mystical knowledge, I could tell you the differences between, aasan, ofo, ogede, ayajo etc. This esoteric forms of knowledge is steeped in serious mystery and very very deep.

I have always been a fan of knowledge, any knowledge, I listen to every form and kind of music, from Yoruba apala, to Igbo ohafia war dance chants to classical music. I watch all sorts of things, and I consume every piece of knowledge I come across. This has given me the ability to be open minded, and objective. I could read something, analyse something, understand the reasoning behind something, even consider something , without accepting it.

I read all the great philosophers, from plato to betrand russel, to kant to thomas paine, etc. I always read things from two points of view, the protagonist and the antagonist.

So , in a way, you can say I was worldly wise.

I have also studied the bhagavad gita, the Tao, the analects of confucius, the egyptian book of the dead, several books of the apocryphal bible collections, and other books too esoteric to mention.

So, listen carefully to what I am going to write next.

I am not going to commit the fallacy of appealing to my ''superior'' knowledge to make you change your view.

Nor will I even attempt to convince you on the ''error'' of your way. The only thing I will ask for from you is that you have an open mind.

See,

Nobody can prove God exists. its just impossible.

But it is also impossible to prove God doesnt exist.

Inspite of all my explorations, I have stumbled on one simple fact, and that fact is that God exists. I do not claim to understand the ways of this God, nor do I claim to know the character of this entity.

How did I happen upon this fact?

I reasoned. Objectively.

If I cannot prove something doesnt exist, that means it will be fallacious of me to say It doesnt exist, the best thing I could be is be agnostic. Atheism is pure ignorance, because the way it cannot be proved that God exists, is also the way it cannot be conclusivelly proved that he doesnt exist.

I have not seen any proof that anybody besides me dream. but does this mean that people do not dream?

At the end of the day, logically speaking, the best thing anyone can be is be agnostic, it is logically fallacious to be atheistic.

So what am I then, a Christian?, an Agnostic?,

To know God, is a personal journey of self discovery for everyone. there are many ways to the market, and while i do not accept most christian doctrines, I have come to accept christ Jesus as my lord and saviour.

Logic did not lead to accepting Jesus, in a million years, that will have been impossible for me. But there are spiritual things that are beyond the realm of logic, and based on the Spiritual reality of what I have seen, I know God exists, and I know Jesus is real. very real.

Yet, I do not believe God will throw people in hell, forever, he is not a wicked God, he is not built in the image of vendetta seeking humans, nor do I believe that Only Christians will enter paradise, God is not petty.

God will help you, and show you the way to him, be it via atheism, Christianity, or any other way he deems fit.

Just have an Open mind.

Thank you.

Love you bro. Nice one.

I think it is very wrong for HardMirror to have continued his story on a different thread instead of sticking with the original thread.

Please return to the original thread: https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian