EVarn:
When and how dud jesus break the sabbath?

Elohim1:
The Fool Say It In His Heart That There Is A God

“Some foolish men declare that Creator made the world”

“The doctrine that the world was created is ill-advised, and should be rejected. If god created the world, where was he before creation? . . . How can an immaterial god create that which is material? . . . If god created the world by an act of will, without any raw material, then it is just his will and nothing else, and who will believe this silly stuff?”

EVarn:
When and how dud jesus break the sabbath?

Raphael81:





TheFool says in his heart there is no God, read Psalm 15

Lilbrown007:

The Fool Say It In His Heart That There Is God Read This Thread The First Post By The Op Its There!!

naijadeyhia:



John 5 vs 17 and 18 is one.

Mathew 12 vs 10

John 3 vs 2

John 9 vs 14 to 16

Luke 6 vs 2

felixomor:


When he did what was not permitted on the sabbath. And even the disciples likewise at a point.
And he was criticised for it by the pharisees.

Matthew 12:1-5.

EVarn:
In luke 4:16,Jesus went into the synagogue on the seventh day(saturday) to observe the sabbath,why will jesus break the sabbath that he himself observes; isnt that a contradiction of exodus 20 that says "remember thy sabbath day and KEEP IT HOLY"?.Jesus said that he didnt come to abolish the law,why then will he break the sabbath?.
If you read those passages thoroughly,you will discover that christ never broke the sabbath,he only sought to teach a new way of observing it that was free of phariseic legalism(i.e healing on the sabbath,performing miracles on the sabbath etc).Christ knew that the testament of God was going to spread into all nations(not israel alone),therefore,he had to define to them what was law and what was just legalistic tradition.

EVarn:
In luke 4:16,Jesus went into the synagogue on the seventh day(saturday) to observe the sabbath,why will jesus break the sabbath that he himself observes; isnt that a contradiction of exodus 20 that says "remember thy sabbath day and KEEP IT HOLY"?.Jesus said that he didnt come to abolish the law,why then will he break the sabbath?.
If you read those passages thoroughly,you will discover that christ never broke the sabbath,he only sought to teach a new way of observing it that was free of phariseic legalism(i.e healing on the sabbath,performing miracles on the sabbath etc).Christ knew that the testament of God was going to spread into all nations(not israel alone),therefore,he had to define to them what was law and what was just legalistic tradition.

felixomor:


What you have said is truth. I know very well my brother.

But legally speaking and going by the letters, which many of these people who read bible for the sake of argument do, he broke it.

And even in some other verses as sited by another contributor on this page, Christ used it as an opportunity to assert his Lordship

Mar 2:28: Therefore the son of man is Lord also of the sabbath......

"Breaking sabbath" (not real breaking) is just one of the ways Christ taught disciples to read beyond the letters.

naijadeyhia:



Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to FULFIL it. The law speaks about thd old testament and Jesus fulfilled that law in Himself on the cross. It was impossible for man to fulfil the lw but Christ did so as to abolish thatvlaw via His death on the cross and give us a new law which man could fulfil.

There is need for an old law to die at the death of the testator. He arose with a new Law and the law remains as thd new testament and supercedes the old law.

Jesus came to show that there are more important things than observing the Sabbath. The sabbath is a life and not a ritual.
You need to understand your scripture.

EVarn:
What does "fulfilling the law" mean?,you believe that christ fulfilled the law by hefting it on his shoulders and nailing it to the cross?
That means that we are now free to lie,steal,kill,covet,break sabbath,worship idols and blaspheme in as much as we can later run to the alter and ask for forgiveness through the grace of christ?

naijadeyhia:


No! Let me explain the old testament to you. God gave the ten commandments to moses to let rhe children of Israel know that they cannot be righteous because if you break one you have broken all so there is always a reason for atonement.
Jesus came to repackage these 10 laws into 2.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.....Luke 10: 27

Love is now the central theme as everything about the ten commandments was ritual but love is a lifestyle.

When you love your neighbour you will not steal from him or kill him or covet his goods or his wife etc.
Blasphemy has nothing to do with the sabbath but everything to do with loving God or not.
When Jesus said Fulfil it means to Accomplish....to bring to Pass.....to Conclude it. Understand now?

EVarn:
I cannot change whatever doctrines you believe,it would be pointless.
Read Romans 2:11-13 and 3:19

EVarn:
I cannot change whatever doctrines you believe,it would be pointless.
Read Romans 2:11-13 and 3:19

engrelvis:
Pls pls if u don't understand things just shut up.a complex human being created itself? U c d proper order of animals kingdom. D creation of nite n day.our ability to reason intellectually. Evolution my foot.if u don't believe there is God my friend u r on a long thin.d creation of things is too orderly n organize for it to b accidental.keep deceiving yrsef

herzern:


On what basis do you live your life??......as in on what principle.......
Please I want to know......you live your life based on what?
I may be too blunt....pls over look

Lilbrown007:
[size=35pt] Paul Vs Jesus[/size]

Lilbrown007:
[size=35pt] Paul Vs Jesus[/size]

naijadeyhia:



Paul being a former lawyer was very good at offerinf detailed explanation of things misunderstood. So this is not Paul vs Jesus...rather its Paul confirming Jesus.

naijadeyhia:



That scripture talks about the law. Are you under the lae now or under grace? Answer this first before we proceed.

EVarn:
I'm under both law and grace,law cannot be separated from grace.The grace of God was established so as to give complete redemption to the whole world through the tennets of the law.
In your second post,you quote hebrew 8 as proof that christ abolished the law: did you not read the passage?,dont you know that "the convenant" and "the law" are different?,is God a confused being that he will make one set of laws and then later retract them by tossing them on the cross?
Hebrew 8 spoke about the 1st(israel's) and 2nd(whole world) convenants: the 1st convenant was made with abraham for the people of israel alone,this was a faulty testament because it didnt encompass the whole pf God's creation(only the israelite),this prompted the arrival and death of christ(who is both high priest and lamb) as atonement for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.

Lilbrown007:

As An Angel?? U Do Realize Paul Never New Jesus Abi?? He Only Believed By Faith He Don't Even Know If Jesus Existed Or Not This View That Paul Holds Non Of Jesus Deciples Hold The View So Is Definitely Jesus Vs Paul That Even Jesus Deciples Had To Call Him And Asked Him To Explain Himself For Teaching The Wrong Teaching And He Was Asked To Perform A Ritual That Was James Way Of Embarrasing Him B4 He Got Arrested By The Roman Because Of Some Misconception?? Paul Was Mistaken For An Egyptian Was Paul Back In Skin Completion??

naijadeyhia:

Kindly grab your bible and study my post below;
When the Bible speaks of “the law,” it refers to the detailed standard God gave to Moses, beginning in Exodus 20 with the Ten Commandments. God’s Law explained His requirements for a holy people and included three categories: civil, ceremonial, and moral laws. The Law was given to separate God’s people from the evil nations around them and to define sin (Ezra 10:11; Romans 5:13; 7:7). The Law also clearly demonstrated that no human being could purify himself enough to please God—i.e., the Law revealed our need for a Savior.
By New Testament times, the religious leaders had hijacked the Law and added to it their own rules and traditions (Mark 7:7–9). While the Law itself was good, it was weak in that it lacked the power to change a sinful heart (Romans 8:3). Keeping the Law, as interpreted by the Pharisees, had become an oppressive and overwhelming burden (Luke 11:46).
It was into this legalistic climate that Jesus came, and conflict with the hypocritical arbiters of the Law was inevitable. But Jesus, the Lawgiver, said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17). The Law was not evil. It served as a mirror to reveal the condition of a person’s heart (Romans 7:7). John 1:17 says, “For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” Jesus embodied the perfect balance between grace and the Law (John 1:14).
God has always been full of grace (Psalm 116:5; Joel 2:13), and people have always been saved by faith in God (Genesis 15:6). God did not change between the Old and New Testaments (Numbers 23:19; Psalm 55:19). The same God who gave the Law also gave Jesus (John 3:16). His grace was demonstrated through the Law by providing the sacrificial system to cover sin. Jesus was born “under the law” (Galatians 4:4) and became the final sacrifice to bring the Law to fulfillment and establish the New Covenant (Luke 22:20). Now, everyone who comes to God through Christ is declared righteous (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18; Hebrews 9:15).
The conflict between Jesus and the self-righteous arose immediately. Many who had lived for so long under the Pharisees’ oppressive system eagerly embraced the mercy of Christ and the freedom He offered (Mark 2:15). Some, however, saw this new demonstration of grace as dangerous: what would keep a person from casting off all moral restraint? Paul dealt with this issue in Romans 6: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (verses 1—2). Paul clarified what Jesus had taught: the Law shows us what God wants (holiness), and grace gives us the desire and power to be holy. Rather than trust in the Law to save us, we trust in Christ. We are freed from the Law’s bondage by His once-for-all sacrifice (Romans 7:6; 1 Peter 3:18).
There is no conflict between grace and the Law, properly understood. Christ fulfilled the Law on our behalf and offers the power of the Holy Spirit, who motivates a regenerated heart to live in obedience to Him (Matthew 3:8; Acts 1:8; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; 2 Timothy 1:14). James 2:26 says, “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.” A grace that has the power to save also has the power to motivate a sinful heart toward godliness. Where there is no impulse to be godly, there is no saving faith.
We are saved by grace, through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9). The keeping of the Law cannot save anyone (Romans 3:20; Titus 3:5). In fact, those who claim righteousness on the basis of their keeping of the Law only think they’re keeping the Law; this was one of Jesus’ main points in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:20–48; see also Luke 18:18–23).
The purpose of the Law was, basically, to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:24). Once we are saved, God desires to glorify Himself through our good works (Matthew 5:16; Ephesians 2:10). Therefore, good works follow salvation; they do not precede it.

Seriously?? @Evarn U Are Being Cheated By This Cheat That Cant Even Use Her Brain For Once
http://www.gotquestions.org/law-vs-grace.html
Seriously??

naijadeyhia:



You got yourself Nafdac certified as an Olodo earlier by yourself. So I will relate with you as such by ignoring you.

For Someone That Copys & Past U Are Even Worst Than Melina Trump

Cc:
weah96
Hardmirror Come And See This Plagiarizing Mofo

Lilbrown007:

Seriously?? @Evarn U Are Being Cheated By This Cheat That Cant Even Use Her Brain For Once
http://www.gotquestions.org/law-vs-grace.html
Seriously??

naijadeyhia:



All scripture is open for scrutiny and we all share it without plagiarism you know why? Because every scripture provided there explains itself.

Typing from my phone isnt convenient for lenghty write ups. Besides the post wasnt meant for you. Let the one it wad meant for study it and refute it afterall are you a believer now?

EVarn:
The write-up only affirms that we are indeed saved by grace(which is what I believe),however,the law is the manuscript of moral righteousness.
Christ demonstrated his approval of the law in his symbolic gesture of paying tax; he explained that caesar should be given his due,the same way we should give God his due by keeping his laws.
And that is why christ differentiated the law from legalistic tradition by preaching the principle of universal love.But the flaw is: can we love everybody?,even our enemies?,Do you truthfully love your enemies?.
That is where grace and faith come in,it provides a route back to God when we break the law