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Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by achorladey: 10:29am On Nov 01, 2016 |
What is justice? Justice is when God gave Adam the free gift of life and equally told him the day you fail to heed my command I take it back from you. It was never Adam own doing to be created. Through inspiration Paul wrote the wages Sins pay is death. The question, who works for the employer SIN? MAN. After working, what do you get from employer SIN? Death. Paul being a lawyer by profession I hope am not mistaken fully understood Romans 6:7 that states anyone that dies is acquitted of his sins, meaning that individual had fully earned his wages, Death. 1 Like |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by achorladey: 10:37am On Nov 01, 2016 |
If Romans 6:7 says those dying are acquitted of their sins. Meaning they are free from the sins they committed throughout their lifetime. Isn't it? Then, what will be their charges or what further charges(sin) will be levied against them that will warrant being tormented forever in hell fire? Where will those charges come from? 2 Likes |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Tellemall: 10:52am On Nov 01, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Why don't you mind your business and stop mentioning people who don't want to be mentioned by you? Why don't you call up your atheist clan? Leave the moniker Tellemall out of your future posts, because there's nothing intelligent in them. 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by otemanuduno: 11:19am On Nov 01, 2016 |
blueAgent:makes no sense. What then is the work of the Holy |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by analice107: 11:23am On Nov 01, 2016 |
achorladey:I expected you to prove me wrong, instead of coming out to yap trash. Does Jw believe in Spirits? |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 11:26am On Nov 01, 2016 |
otemanuduno: The HolySpirit will only instruct and will never force anyone to do anything out of his or her own will. The Bible instructs Christains to test all Bible Scriptures. it is left for this Men of God to search the Scripture and understand it. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by achorladey: 11:59am On Nov 01, 2016 |
@Analice107 Do you know that one of the foremost Bible verse the JWs read whenever they study the Bible with people concerning God is John 4:24? Pick up any of their books, brochures or magazine that are of study aid and go straight to the Topics that reads WHO IS GOD. If that verse is not there. Otherwise you remain a dogma as Wilgrea rightly confirm and your ignorance is as bright as the day. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Nobody: 12:25pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Wow! great. You know way more than I do. I haven't read Augustine but I heard almost everything that led to the reformation and also Calvinism can be traced back to his teachings. My view of hell is in line with what the orthodox believe, which is described differently but it is eternal. I am not for universalism. Christianity isn't. The thief at the cross entered paradise immediately after his death because if he didn't and is asleep until the day of resurrection, then veneration, intercessions of the saints and praying for the dead becomes void. The same applies with the Rich man and Lazarus story that immediately the rich man and Lazarus died, Lazarus went to heaven and the rich man hell where although Abraham sort of had compassion, the chasm between them was too great and impossible to cross. It is in line with no unclean thing shall enter heaven. The day of resurrection is thus interpreted as the final judgment and what the rich man was experiencing was a foretaste of what is to come. Eschatology is the mother of all heresies I pay little attention to it. My family and I are not going wherever the rich man is. Wilgrea7: |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 1:24pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Even the Devil the originator of Evil will be burnt to ashes. Ezekiel 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Scholar8200(m): 1:33pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
blueAgent: As regards the highlighted, be reminded that the chapter here was addressed proximately to a mortal man (of course we see the ultimate fulfilment in the devil and his fall) hence words that describe the end of a mortal on earth are employed. As regards the devil and fellow tenants in the lake of fire see this: 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelations 14:10,11 NOWHERE do you find that this fire devours but the uniform picture all throughout Scripture is the Word torment (Lazarus and richman story inclusive). Why will the Bible find it hard to simply use devour if that is what is in mind? Besides, the linking of their torment to the presence of the Lamb and the angels is a way of showing that the torment should continue as long as Those are Present! 1 Like |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 1:36pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
TheSixthSense: Thats Why Africans are mocked as been dumb.simple logic and you are still arguing over it. Stop spreading false teachings. Even David the Man after God's Heart is still in the grave. Acts 2:34 NKJV: “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘ The LORD said to my Lord,“ Sit at My right John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 1:43pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
achorladey: What it means is that a Man can no longer be held accountable for his sins here on Earth if he is dead. but be assured at the ressurection God will punish such person. A dead Man cannot pay Debts. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 1:51pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Using your Logic and this Bible verses no one is suppose to go to Hell. becos the Bible says the Mercy(unwillignly to punish) endureth forever. Psalm 136New King James Version (NKJV) Thanksgiving to God for His Enduring Mercy 136 Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good! For His mercy endures forever. 2 Oh, give thanks to the God of gods! For His mercy endures forever. 3 Oh, give thanks to the Lord of lords! For His mercy endures forever: 4 To Him who alone does great wonders, For His mercy endures forever; 5 To Him who by wisdom made the heavens, For His mercy endures forever; 6 To Him who laid out the earth above the waters, For His mercy endures forever; 7 To Him who made great lights, For His mercy endures forever— 8 The sun to rule by day, For His mercy endures forever; 9 The moon and stars to rule by night, For His mercy endures forever. 10 To Him who struck Egypt in their firstborn, For His mercy endures forever; 11 And brought out Israel from among them, For His mercy endures forever; 12 With a strong hand, and with an outstretched arm, For His mercy endures forever; 13 To Him who divided the Red Sea in two, For His mercy endures forever; 14 And made Israel pass through the midst of it, For His mercy endures forever; 15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea, For His mercy endures forever; 16 To Him who led His people through the wilderness, For His mercy endures forever; 17 To Him who struck down great kings, For His mercy endures forever; 18 And slew famous kings, For His mercy endures forever— 19 Sihon king of the Amorites, For His mercy endures forever; 20 And Og king of Bashan, For His mercy endures forever— 21 And gave their land as a heritage, For His mercy endures forever; 22 A heritage to Israel His servant, For His mercy endures forever. 23 Who remembered us in our lowly state, For His mercy endures forever; 24 And rescued us from our enemies, For His mercy endures forever; 25 Who gives food to all flesh, For His mercy endures forever. 26 Oh, give thanks to the God of heaven! For His mercy endures forever. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 1:54pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: No wonder you people misinterprete the Bible you don't understand how Bible is written. The one called “Lucifer” could not possibly be a man. The things he did are impossible for any human being to do. Only the devil “weakens the nations” and could have said he would “ascend into heaven.” Certainly no man could be “cut down to the ground” in the way described here. Finally, no man has a throne that could be put above the “stars of heaven Ezekiel 28:12-17 parallels and reinforces Isaiah 14, and is equally important for study. This account describes one who some “scholars” claim was a human “king of Tyrus.” Careful reading shows this is impossible—and ridiculous. This verse speaks of one who “seals up the sum, full of wisdom, perfect in beauty,” who had also “been in Eden the garden of God.” No human has ever been perfect, and it was the devil—the serpent—who beguiled Eve in the Garden. Verse 13 states, “you were created,” and Satan is a created being. Verse 14 calls him “the cherub that covers.” (Exodus 25:17-20 describes the remaining two faithful “cherubs that cover[ed]” God’s throne in the Old Testament tabernacle. Their wings cover the “mercy seat.”) No earthly king fits this description. The latter part of Ezekiel 28:14 says that this “king” was “in the mountain of God” and “walked…in the midst of the stones of fire.” This describes the area around God’s throne. Verse 15 declares, “iniquity [lawlessness] was found in you” and verse 16 refers to it as “sin.” Verse 16 also describes this cherub as having been “cast…out of” heaven. God also said He would “destroy” (Hebrew: expel) Lucifer from heaven. Verse 17 reveals that his “heart was lifted up because of [his] beauty” and that his wisdom was “corrupted…by reason of [his] brightness.” The verse ends with God “casting him down to the ground,” where the kings of the earth would “behold him.” |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Scholar8200(m): 1:55pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
blueAgent:Sorry to interfere, however ignore if found pathetic. Remember Jesus said God is not the God of the dead but of the living referring to when He was referred to as God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Besides, Moses and Elijah appeared on the mount of transfiguration. Moreover, was Jesus mistaken about His description of the after life in the story of Lazarus and the Richman? |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Scholar8200(m): 1:59pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
blueAgent:It will be very mistaken to over look the following: That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Isaiah 14:1 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Ezekiel 28:2 To consider those passages while ignoring the proximate reference is as false as doing so while ignoring the ultimate reference! |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 2:03pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Look with God all things are possible.God decided to raise Moses and Elijah for reasons best known to him. The most important fact is that the Bible clearly states that a dead person has no thought or action.Even dead was looking forth to that day when God will raise him. accept God's word Psalms > Chapter 17 > Verse 15 As for me, I will behold your face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with your likeness. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 2:09pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: You have already contradicted yourself. The first verse talks about prince of tyrus. Most likely another rebellous Demon. the second King of Tyrus refers to the Devil. Do you think it was only the Devil who rebelled against God? |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Nobody: 2:12pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
I erased my first post. Please don't mention me if you want to make snide remarks. You have your opinion that is different from the teaching I follow, good. If that makes you smart(er), why was it necessary to tell me? I didn't come here to argue with anyone. Believe whatever you want but I don't remember being the host of any lecture series to spread any falsehood. The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge Daniel Boorstin I guess this means nothing to you. '... I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows. 3 And I know that such a person—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat.' blueAgent: |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Scholar8200(m): 2:18pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
blueAgent:But since Jesus affirmed that God is not the God of the dead but of the living (referring to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob milleniums after they had died) and also gave us the story of Lazarus and the rich man, it is obvious that, though the mortals on earth may say such has been laid to rest, actually more goes on behind the scenes. To hold a different position is to charge Jesus with wrong teaching. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Scholar8200(m): 2:24pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
blueAgent:King of Babylon was a man . Yes, there are parts of that passage that pertains to the devil however, we must not lose sight that a man is the proximate reference. Can you prove this, that the prince of tyrus was first and primarily the devil? Agreed, there are parts of this prophecy that clearly points to the devil but my stress is that we dont remove the proximate reference as being a man. Benson Commentary Ezekiel 28:2. Say to the prince of Tyrus — The name of this prince was Ithobalus, according to the Phenician annals. Because thy heart is lifted up — In pride and self-conceit; and thou hast said — Namely, in thy heart; I am a god — I am like a god. I sit in the seat of God — Inaccessible by mortals. In the midst of the seas — As God is safe from all injury in his throne in heaven, so am I as safe; for the sea secures me. These words express an insolent boast of self-sufficiency, as if he had said, I fear no man, nor stand in need of any: I am seated in a place of impregnable strength: the sea defends me, so that no enemy can assault me. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible That thou shall take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,.... Or "concerning" him, his fall, and the fall of the Babylonish monarchy with him; if we understand this of any particular king of Babylon, it seems best not to interpret it of Nebuchadnezzar, whom Jerom mentions, in whom the empire was in its greatest glory: but of Belshazzar, in whom it ended; the king of Babylon may be here considered as a type of antichrist http://biblehub.com/commentaries/ezekiel/28-2.htm |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by analice107: 2:31pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
achorladey:And you generally assume i have that book? Even if i have you assume i will do as you command? Guy shift. what you or Wigrea think of me is no import at all. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by achorladey: 6:05pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
@BlueAgent You said when man is resurrected he will be punished. On what charges will that be based on? Why do you think God will want to waste his time/power to raise such unfaithful ones? |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by achorladey: 6:12pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
@BlueAgent Dead man cannot indeed pay debt. Man never had to in any case. He is to receive Death as his wages for uncountable sins. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Peacefullove: 8:10pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Now I see why religious people are often labelled brain dead , am so crying for you that churchianism did this to you. I will examine everything you present in this response analice107: Genesis 1 vs 27 doesn't support your idea of a ghostly Adamic creature . Genesis 1:27-31 describes what happen on the sixth day of Creation . which was confirmed in Genesis 1:31. it reads : Genesis 1:27-31 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” 29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning— the sixth day. " so it was the Creation of man from dust on the sixth day that's been referenced . @ bold , to see how sensible you are .. was he telling spirits to be fruitful and multiply ? was he telling spirits , I give plants to you as FOOD ? if this happens on the sixth day, kindly tell me when your second part creation of man was done ? day 7 or day 8
Illogical , inaccurate and bias analysis . Genesis 2:7 is still reffering to the same event of Genesis 1:26 . while Genesis 1:26 paints the picture in summary of the days of creation, Genesis 2 vs 7 give a detailed analysis of how the creation act of Genesis 1:26 was done . you should have take your time to read the caption that introduce Genesis 2:7 " Gen 2 vs 4 : a story of how it was made . " This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens" to test your Memory : if they are different events , how can Genesis 1 vs 29 said there are trees on earth but Genesis 2 vs 5 said there are NO trees on earth ? abi na spirit trees Genesis 1:29 talks about since the man of Genesis 1:27 was a spirit ? this is where you need to open the brain. since u postulate that creating man in Genesis 1 is different from Forming in Genesis 2, it must mean when Bible in Genesis 1:1 says God create heaven and earth , and Genesis 2:4 says again God made heaven and earth , it must be another heaven and another earth ! by now your reasoning capacity should have made you understand that Genesis chapters 1 and 2 are describing THE SAME creation acts 1 Like |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Peacefullove: 8:10pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
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Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Peacefullove: 8:51pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Mr scholar, Am still expecting your response to the vital points on everlasting life raised earlier . Scholar8200: and how many of those who actually died in your Bible. and were raised to life give accounts of your imaginary behind the scenes ? I challenge you to mention any if true
this Jesus actually refer to death as rest . so this point is useless |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Ken4Christ: 11:07pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Scriptures pointing to eternal torment are overwhelming in number and trying to dispute them with other Scriptures is a high level of dishonesty. First, not every word found written in the Bible are the word of God. There are instances men wrote their minds and they were recorded. So, trying to use some of those words as doctrines is highly misleading. For instance during the trial period of Job, he said so many things which some people till date take them to be the word of God. See one of them, Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. But Jesus revealed to us that it is the thief that comes to steal, kill and destroy but he has come to give us life in abundance - John 10:10. So, concerning the issue of eternal destiny in general, the Saints of old had limited knowledge and therefore even made some wrong assertions on the issue. Jesus is the truth. So, if you want to argue honestly on this issue, limit your quote to what Jesus taught on the issue. Otherwise remain silent for ever. The old Testament was a shadow of the new Testament. It couldn't explain spiritual truth clearly. This is exactly what Jesus came to do. Go through Jesus teachings on eternal destiny, you will certainly not have any doubt about eternal torment of lost souls. I will just downloaded a few of them for your consumption Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, INTO THE FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED Luke 16-25 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, BEING IN TORMENTS , and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I AM TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING Fire. Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGEL Revelation 19:20 And the BEAST was taken, and with him the FALSE PROPHET that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. THESE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE into a LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone. Revelation 20:10 And the DEVIL that deceived them was CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Notice that at least 1,000 years have elapsed before the Devil was cast into the Lake of fire that already has the beast and the false prophet. Why did the fire not burn the beast and the false prophet to ashes after 1,000 years before the devil joined them? Read the account very well. The beast and the false prophet were both cast into the Lake of fire before Jesus millennium reign on earth. The devil joined them after the 1,000 years of Christ reign. Revelation 20:11-15. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. note 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. With all these witnesses, anyone who denies the existence of eternal torment needs to visit a psychiatrist. Fear God and depart from evil. God is both the God of love and also the God of judgment. 1 Like |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 11:38pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
achorladey: God is a God of Justice. if Governments with their greed and limited capacity can bring offenders to Justice how much more God Almightly. Paul speaks of when he says, "And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust" (Acts 24.15 KJV bible) . Thus, the great masses of individuals who are not sanctified to partake in the first, ◄ John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of condemnation. King James Bible ◄ Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 11:40pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
achorladey: You are talking about the first death,which all living beings will experience weather lost or saved. But their is a second Death which only the wicked will experience. ◄ Revelation 20:14 |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by blueAgent(m): 11:47pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: My intrest is in the Second not the first. it clearly talks about the Devil. in theology it is called typology. God reveals things in different ways. all through the Bible This method is used in describing events or people. The Bible is not a story book. you can read literally. a verse may contain different prophices to two different people or events. |
Re: The False Doctrine Of Eternal Torment And Judgement After Death(sleep) by Wilgrea7(m): 7:33am On Nov 02, 2016 |
Ken4Christ: psychiatrist indeed... apart from the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (which is a parable) and revelation (of which I've explained a few verses) there is no further proof.. everlasting/eternal fire is the fire that its results are everlasting/eternal... just like eternal salvation and eternal judgement and also in the case of sodom and Gomorrah (eternal fire) and edom(smoke ascending for ever and ever) yet edom became a wasteland in the later verse.. apart from that, annihilation has way more biblical backup than eternal torment... so try explaining these verses in the light of eternal torment 2 Likes |
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