oladeebo:

'omo eru k'eru a bi lala l'enu'!
am I address at you?
keep off here!
ok!

inkon:
Channel that energy towards restructuring of Nigeria. Nobody is leaving this country. Nigeria is one and so shall it remain. Thank you

jjjjj2017:

shove ya head to ur hairyass!
iranu

Fifthcolumnist:
Yorubas want to secede​ too? who wan come remain for Lugards "Naigeriya"?

HopeAtHand:


May God punish you a million times if you've ever commented on a Biafra, SS or SE thread when not invited. As if commenting there is your priority.

Olu317:
I say AMEEEN to your PRAYERS IF I EVER COMMENT NEGATIVELY AGAINST YOUR AGITATION FOR YOUR BIAFRA BUT AS A TRUE SON OF YORUBA LAND, AS I AM WITHOUT HAVING HATRED TOWARD YOUR AGITATIONS, THEN IT IS WELL WITH ME..
NOW REVERSE THE INSULT ON YOURSELF AS AN IPOB MEMBER

I infer that you PLACE SUCH CAUSE ON YOURSELF IF YOU ARE AS UPRIGHT AS I AM...... I am % bold and confident you as an IPOB can't do such in this LIFE OR NEXT LIFE..



DIFFERENCE IS CLEAR between you and I.... inferiority complex infested personified is WHO YOU ARE.

deedeedee1:

Baba face your biafra. Stop being two-faced

9jakool:


And who was the blind fool that demarcated the Yorubas in Kogi and Kwara to the North. What boundary exists other than the artificial boundary that exist between the SW and the Yorubas in NC. Why do many Yorubas of today act like those in Kwara and Kogi are some type of foreign race. Was that the way it has always been? The Oya overlooking Jebba marks the Northernmost frontier of Yoruba people at least in Nigeria hence the land North of that mark is known as Oke Oya where foreign traders came from.

Somehow one is going to include Ila Orangun, and the Igbominas in Omu Aran are not going to want to join. If Ekiti state is included, won't the Ekitis in Kwara join likewise the Ibolos. Are the Okun in Northern parts of Ekiti somehow more Yoruba than those in Kogi?

Olu317:
Let us not over drag this because Ishekiri is Yoruba offshoots. The reason people were not in tune with Yoruba tag at first is that, it was used to identify Odu'a descendants by the Malians traders , other traders of Arab descents and Berbers in the olden days. So, don't be too conservative to denying our other sibling in Ishekiri land access to Odua land. Beside, Ishekiri speaks 70.3% (Ijumu/Okun Yoruba), 71.5% (standard Yoruba), 72.0% (Ijesha), 74.0% ( Ekiti) of Yoruba language. Where do you place such people? You need to read their history, written by their people and you will understand ,where they identify with as far as Nigeria is concerned.

Obaluf0n:




Sir, I think I should define my context of what ties to Ile Ife means. For me, it means towns whose monarchy derive its legitimacy from Ife throne or towns whose throne was founded by an Ife person unconnected to Ife royal family. The former during coronation (originally) looks/ed to the Ooni for validation while the former does not but has a tie to a family compound in Ife.

1. Examples are the 8 original crowns in Yoruba land followed by towns like Ifewara, Ife Odan, Iwo to mention a few.

2. These are towns like Apomu, Iwo, Ejigbo, Ifon, Sagamu, 'Remo, Ijebu Ife, Awori and so on.

To answer your question, towns lacking these ties to Ife and are still Yoruba are Ikoyi (Osun & Lagos), Eko (Lagos island under Eleko), Ede, Osogbo, all towns in Oke Ogun, Ibadan, Ijebu, Egba, Ekiti, Ogbomoso, all Iresa towns and so on. These towns have no ties to Ile-Ife and they are either mostly off shoots/creations of other towns such as Ede being a military outpost of Oyo & in response Osogbo being a military outpost of Ijesa. Most of them have no original crowns or any coronation ceremony requiring inputs from Ife. Most have no ties to any family compound in Ile Ife -- apart from Maye an Ife man founding Ibadan who was killed by Oyo folks, Ibadan was usurped by diverse Oyo elements thereby blurring out any Ife connection.

I agree to your thoughts on the idea being sold than enforced sir.

YungMillionaire:
Fascinating original post and MOST of the comments so far.

I have been having some serious discussions with fellow Itshekiris over the past month or so. In the event of a Nigerian break-up what is our best option? Biafra is a no-no not only because we have no historical/cultural ties with Ibos but the way and manner Ibos have gone about with their latest Biafra saga has left a very bitter taste in the mouths of so many of our people. I will give you a basic example. Nnamdi Kanu spent countless hours on radio Biafra raining curses on Yorubas while at the same time inviting Itshekiris to join Biafra. Most Itshekiris, my family included, orignated from Ijebu in present day Lagos/Ogun State. Kanu, because of his lack of historical knowledge, failed to see that insulting Yorubas will not go done well with at least some Itshekiris.

So these are the options we are left with:

1. A single Itshekiri nation. 2. Part of a Niger-Delta Republic. 3. Part of a greater Oduduwa nation.

The truth is the vast majority of people of have conversed with prefer option 2. Option 1 is very romantic but the low population might pose a serious problem. Personally, I think its better we join hands with the Yorubas in an Oduduwa nation. However, to be honest, this position is a minority one among Itshekiris. Having said that, I agree that education of history is the problem plaguing many non-SouthWestern Yoruba groups in Nigeria. There are many Itshekiris who don't even know about our strong Yoruba connections. I am almost certain that if these people find out the true history of our origins MOST will decide to form stronger ties with the greater Yoruba nation.

YungMillionaire:
Fascinating original post and MOST of the comments so far.

I have been having some serious discussions with fellow Itshekiris over the past month or so. In the event of a Nigerian break-up what is our best option? Biafra is a no-no not only because we have no historical/cultural ties with Ibos but the way and manner Ibos have gone about with their latest Biafra saga has left a very bitter taste in the mouths of so many of our people. I will give you a basic example. Nnamdi Kanu spent countless hours on radio Biafra raining curses on Yorubas while at the same time inviting Itshekiris to join Biafra. Most Itshekiris, my family included, orignated from Ijebu in present day Lagos/Ogun State. Kanu, because of his lack of historical knowledge, failed to see that insulting Yorubas will not go done well with at least some Iteshekiris.

So these are the options we are left with:

1. A single Iteshekiri nation. 2. Part of a Niger-Delta Republic. 3. Part of a greater Oduduwa nation.

The truth is the vast majority of people of have conversed with prefer option 2. Option 1 is very romantic but the low population might pose a serious problem. Personally, I think its better we join hands with the Yorubas in an Oduduwa nation. However, to be honest, this position is a minority one among Itshekiris. Having said that, I agree that education of history is the problem plaguing many non-SouthWestern Yoruba groups in Nigeria. There are many Itshekiris who don't even know about our strong Yoruba connections. I am almost certain that if these people find out the true history of our origins MOST will decide to form stronger ties with the greater Yoruba nation.

FisifunKododada:


Interesting write-up YungMill. So could you address these concerns of mine:

1. Why is it that most Itshekiris are not aware of their Yoruba roots?

2. And why do you (in person) prefer the Itshekiris to join a greater Yoruba nation.

walemoney007:
the best bet is for the itsekiri to form a country with isoko and urobo,the country should be run the way UAE is run

YungMillionaire:


FK - its quite straight forward:

1. There are two MAIN forces in Niger-Delta:- Ijaw and Bini. So, the incentive (political and otherwise) for non-Ijaw groups to associate with Yorubas is very small. So, the Bini link (which is very weak when compared to the Yoruba link) of the Itshekiris is emphasized more than the Yoruba link. This does not affect the Itshekiris alone. Also, the Olukunmis (another Yoruba group) of Anioma are also affected in similar manner. This does not only affect Yoruba groups because there are Ibo groups in Delta who are affected by the same forces.

2. Simple. Because I am a student of my people's history. I know that Yoruba blood runs deep within our veins. The Nigerian construct has made it difficult for ANY of the minority tribes to trust ANY of the majority tribes (Yoruba, Hausa and Ibo). As far as the Itshekiris are concerned the 'devil' (aka fellow Niger Delta tribes) they know is better than the 'angel' (aka Yorubas) they do not. Most Itshekiris live among Ijaws and Bini-groups and have very little knowledge of Yoruba people. Hence the reluctance.

AkinPhysicist:
[b]We don't need efulefu Yorubas in our Oduduwa Republic. We will be willing to cooperate with anyone who wants to cooperate with us. Not dissimilar to the way the US works together with Britain on international issues. We seek a YORUBA nation were Yoruba language and culture will be at the forefront. We don't want some minorities to start complaining that we are marginalizing them - like some Iboes are crying in Akure because we told them they must respect our way of life. Many Nigerian Yorubas are ignorant of the strength of our culture. Four years ago, I visited Bahia in Brazil. I attended a festival and when the people discovered I was a Yoruba from Nigeria, they were all over me. They were asking a million questions at a time/inviting me to their homes. They treated me like a cousin they have not seen in years. Come and see young/old Brazilians playing the talking drums; dancing; dropping Orisa names like Sango, Obatala etc.Some of those people are more Yoruba than some of the useless Yoruba Christians and Muslims we have in Nigeria.[/b]

FisifunKododada:


Akin (longest time). Which one be efulefu Yorubas again?

AkinPhysicist:

Fisi, no need to mention names. They know themselves. I have been traveling for work. BZ like a modafvcker.

FisifunKododada:


So do you think a Nigerian break up is imminent?

walemoney007:
is jebba part of Yoruba land?

AkinPhysicist:

Absolutely not. The greedy, visionLESS forces holding Nigeria together would rather burn the country to the ground than see a restructuring let alone a break-up. The last time I was in Abuja, I sat down with the thirty something year old son of one of the Northern political billionaires (you know the people who make their money by literally diverting government funds allocated for human/infrastructural development). Anyway, this guy basically said that Nigerian politics is their family business to be passed done from generation to generation. Nigeria is big business. The people who are making a killing are not gonna wake up one morning and hand it over. Not happening. At least not anytime soon.

DaFlash:
Please let not integrate Edo and delta into Great Oodua, I think making them satellite states which will have a very close relationship with Great Oodua is advised.
A very strong Diplomatic, economic and military pact. "An attack on this nations is an attack on Great Oodua"