701ecilana:

God is not a Democrat.

OneManLegion:


The basis that I don't agree should suffice. If I was actually created by yahweh, then he didn't seek my permission to be created but he went ahead anyway only to subject me to unreasonable laws. Does that make sense to you?

701ecilana:

I will gladly take you on fully on this discussion if you'd admit that at least God exist.

Does God exists?

OneManLegion:


The basis that I don't agree should suffice. If I was actually created by yahweh, then he didn't seek my permission to be created but he went ahead anyway only to subject me to unreasonable laws. Does that make sense to you?

OneManLegion:


This, right here, is one of the biggest issues I have with religions: confusion. Do we have freewill or not? If we do, then don't punish us for our choice; if not, don't make us engage in this charade then.



I wish loving others were the only rules. Your religion depicts a genocidal, partial, petty god and tells me to worship it? Why is he so thirst for our worship? Is he suffering from low self esteem? Check your bible, on countless occasions did he order genocide by asking the Israelites to completely annihilate other nations because they serve other gods (remember the moabites, jebusites, amorites, amalekites etc?) and allowed the needless torment of a good man as well as the murder of his children in order to prove his loyalty to his arch-enemy (remember Job?).

hopefulLandlord:


you already know the reply to that

Josephjnr:

701ecilana:

Then why do you always jump into threads that talks about God? If God doesn't exist, then he shouldn't be responsible for any thing you keep accusing him of. If he exists, then we can continue to talk about those things and how they came about.

hopefulLandlord:


Haha, I've explained this many times in the past, I won't go over it again

701ecilana:
You won't go over what again?

hopefulLandlord:


over why I talk about imaginary friends

OneManLegion:


Lmao! I wasn't even going to really expose the legions of instances of manifest absurdity in your holy book but since you're mentioning them yourself, let's analyse the ones you've mentioned. You mentioned the possibility that perhaps those laws are there and that strict in order to forestall a 'coup' orchestrated by man. So, you're admitting that your omni-powerful, omni-scient God is afraid of the power of our collective will? Besides, how do barbaric rules (like commanding someone to kill idolaters, homosexuals, rebellious kids etc) prevent us from going against him? Humanity is currently trying her hardest to create ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) who can have the kind of intelligence we'd normally only ascribe to God. There's no one curtailing the limits of their intelligence. However, for obvious safety reasons of having a self-conscious, super sentient entity on earth with us, humans have to put all safety measures in place so that we wouldn't end up masterminding the creation of something which poses an existential threat to us. Eternity in hell doesn't serve this purpose. It's just an inconceivably malevolent and sadistic form of punishment only a psychopathic psychotic can think of and actually execute.

The tower of Babel signified the height of scientific and practical ignorance that all religions, particularly christianity, are enmeshed in. As at the time the Bible was compiled, the humans who didn't know any better thought the earth was flat so they reasoned one could go on building a tower that could reach up to the heavens. Your all-knowing god who should have laughed off their cute ignorance off became threatened of people that thought they could build tower to heaven! Nawa o! Where is heaven? Is it in the stratosphere? Can any building break out of our orbit? What would they breathe? If God, who created everything, didn't know any better and had to make them start speaking different languages in order to make them desist from a quest that was void ab initio anyway, what does that say about your religion and god? Doesn't that bear a suspicious resemblance to human error?

Brother, please think logically and objectively about these. Abeg. You're too intelligent to be ruled by fear of eternal damnation in a mythical fire or the promise of some imaginary heaven. Do good because it is the right thing to do. Do good because you're a humanist. Do good because you want to, not because you want to make heaven or to escape hell.

And most importantly, reject toxic ignorance and intellectual regression.
Cheers, bro.

OneManLegion:


Lmao! I wasn't even going to really expose the legions of instances of manifest absurdity in your holy book but since you're mentioning them yourself, let's analyse the ones you've mentioned. You mentioned the possibility that perhaps those laws are there and that strict in order to forestall a 'coup' orchestrated by man. So, you're admitting that your omni-powerful, omni-scient God is afraid of the power of our collective will?

Besides, how do barbaric rules (like commanding someone to kill idolaters, homosexuals, rebellious kids etc) prevent us from going against him? Humanity is currently trying her hardest to create ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) who can have the kind of intelligence we'd normally only ascribe to God. There's no one curtailing the limits of their intelligence.

However, for obvious safety reasons of having a self-conscious, super sentient entity on earth with us, humans have to put all safety measures in place so that we wouldn't end up masterminding the creation of something which poses an existential threat to us.

Eternity in hell doesn't serve this purpose. It's just an inconceivably malevolent and sadistic form of punishment only a psychopathic psychotic can think of and actually execute.

The tower of Babel signified the height of scientific and practical ignorance that all religions, particularly christianity, are enmeshed in. As at the time the Bible was compiled, the humans who didn't know any better thought the earth was flat so they reasoned one could go on building a tower that could reach up to the heavens. Your all-knowing god who should have laughed off their cute ignorance off became threatened of people that thought they could build tower to heaven! Nawa o! Where is heaven? Is it in the stratosphere? Can any building break out of our orbit? What would they breathe? If God, who created everything, didn't know any better and had to make them start speaking different languages in order to make them desist from a quest that was void ab initio anyway, what does that say about your religion and god? Doesn't that bear a suspicious resemblance to human error?

Brother, please think logically and objectively about these. Abeg. You're too intelligent to be ruled by fear of eternal damnation in a mythical fire or the promise of some imaginary heaven. Do good because it is the right thing to do. Do good because you're a humanist. Do good because you want to, not because you want to make heaven or to escape hell.

And most importantly, reject toxic ignorance and intellectual regression.
Cheers, bro.

701ecilana:
Do you what sin is?

uboma:




Please tell me the meaning of sin.

I am open to learn more if what you will say is not what I already know.

701ecilana:

@bolded got me. Let me say this, The mercy of God is for man while in the flesh, not when he has died and become a spirit. If God's mercy is for the Spirits, Satan would have obtained that Mercy.

The Justice of God is that God will keep his words.

Remember that God never created Hellfire for man, any man who goes there is doing that by choice.

Hellfire burns forever not for a million years an stops. In their realm of the spirit, there's no time.

twosquare:
Hell is not forever, neither is it for eternity. (Rev 20:14)

701ecilana:

Hahahahaha. What won't i see? So Yahweh does things that are down right stupid and disturbing, yet He is not real?
Man, insanity comes in different shades.

Teempakguy:
stupidity is always obvious.

According to your logic, the other 4200 gods must be real since they also do really stupid things. how hard is it to grab context?

701ecilana:

Why are you so stupid yet can't see it?

Read your comment i quoted you from. Chai ikwe of stupid people.

701ecilana:

@bolded got me. Let me say this, The mercy of God is for man while in the flesh, not when he has died and become a spirit. If God's mercy is for the Spirits, Satan would have obtained that Mercy.

The Justice of God is that God will keep his words.

Remember that God never created Hellfire for man, any man who goes there is doing that by choice.

Hellfire burns forever not for a million years and stops. In the realm of the spirit, there's no time.

701ecilana:

lol. But allah promises everyone who rejects muhammed as his prophet hellfire, what are you saying here?

Peacefullove:


Just read the post again and stop embarrassing yourself.

milkymesh:
When a person commits a crime, the punishment is based upon both the severity of the crime and the person whom the crime is against.


I know that because God is just, people will suffer according to there deeds, and some will suffer longer than others. But how can you say that a just God would allow me who who stole a goat suffer the same fate as Boko Haram's Shakau who is responsible for thousands deaths?
Why should I suffer eternally for a sin I probably committed for a few weeks or years?
And how can a just God cause men to suffer torture FOREVER?
Will HE in His mercies shut his heart against those who in agony have been crying for thousands of years in hellfire asking for mercy and forgiveness??

The picture of God painted thought the doctrine of hellfire seems to contradict the merciful and loving God taught in the bible.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?

Ken4Christ:


Even with the teachings of eternal hell, people still commit sin unrestrained. What will happen if the Bible teaches hell is not forever? Even you cannot stay secured on this earth.

thesicilian:
If you are already aware of the punishment for a crime before you still go ahead to commit it, on what basis then would you argue that the punishment is unfair?