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Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 8:26am On Dec 02, 2017 |
analize701:I actually was laughing at how you've personalised the "abeg gererahia" catchphrase You so often use it, its become the favourite to use among your wave off lines I have to quickly pop out for a few hours, so currently not in a position to respond to all those your mentions of me but trust me, I'll Arnold Schwarzenegger be back, to do robust justices to each one of them, later on today [img]https://s1/images/Muttley_Watch.gif[/img] I am on the road, watching each and/or all posts... Meanwhile, analize701 and petra1, please respond to the following: 1) How many times was tithe mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven? 2) Why was tithe, at all, mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven? 3) Was tithe the centre of interest, anywhere in the entire Hebrews' letter and/ or in the Hebrews Chapter Seven part of the letter? 4) You agree that the Epistle to the Hebrews, or Letter to the Hebrews, was written to the Jewish believers who lived in Jerusalem, don't you? 5) Why was the Epistle to the Hebrews, or Letter to the Hebrews written to these particular set and peculiar people living in Jerusalem? 6) What was the author trying to achieve, with writing to these particular and peculiar people, in detail and at a persuasive long length? 7) Is tithe or tithing mentioned at all, in of any of the 13 epistles or letters, written by Paul, to believers living in other towns and/or cities? |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by petra1(m): 8:48am On Dec 02, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92: Most people who criticize against others concerning the poor don’t really care the poor . The people who care for the poor don’t really talk . They just do. John 12:4-6 (NLT) 4 But Judas Iscariot, the disciple who would soon betray him, said, 5 “That perfume was worth a year’s wages. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor.” 6 Not that he cared for the poor—he was a thief, and since he was in charge of the disciples’ money, he often stole some for himself. 1 Like |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 9:36am On Dec 02, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44:Okay then, Tell me what the Holy Spirit means by this; Good News Translation Hebrews 7:8 In the case of the priests the tenth is collected by men who die; but as for Melchizedek the tenth was collected by one who lives, as the scripture says. There's something you are not seeing or deliberately and willingly refusing to see, and until you see it, you will understand why Tithing was mentioned here in the first place. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 9:38am On Dec 02, 2017 |
OkaiCorne:Hahahahahahahaha. This guy leave me abeg. See how you throw irrelevant issues into this. What has sitting with God got to do with this discussion? |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 9:47am On Dec 02, 2017 |
analize701:Had to park and quickly respond to this It's actually you and the something you are not seeing or deliberately and willingly refusing to see, and until you see it, you will understand why it is only the Jewish believers that letter was written to and not to the other believers living in Jerusalem at the time |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:04am On Dec 02, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92: Does my actions and words in any way deny my followership and submission to Christ? Let us examine your motive. Do you intend to ridicule me? You claim to follow Jesus, would Jesus despise anyone who seeks for the TRUTH through Him? Are you sure you are a truly a Christian? |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:07am On Dec 02, 2017 |
petra1: Unless the Holy Spirit clearly directs me to sacrifice my house rent to help the widow, I will do it. But in the absence of that, if you give your house rent which is an essential need to the poor, then you are a big FOO.L It is very clear that tithing is not a critical priority Jesus will use in separating the Goats from the Sheep. If you don't agree, go and argue with your Bible |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:15am On Dec 02, 2017 |
[quote author=Jesusgirl92 post=62904566][/quote] Can you save up the money you spend on condoms and give them to the poor? If you can't, then you're also a hypocrite. I'm just tossing your logic back into your face... assuming that you're married... I can't love my neighbor more than myself. Love your neighbor as yourself... |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 10:15am On Dec 02, 2017 |
OkaiCorne:A student follows the teachers instructions, not decide what is convenient in the sets of instructions before carrying them out, or choosing what to do and when to do them. If the Holy Spirit is your Mentor, then you'd be under his tutelage. OkaiCorne:Okay, sorry for coming off as judgmental. If you want to be a servant of Christ, do as he says, not only in the area of giving. Besides, if we don't give or Pay our Tithes, we do hinder us, not God. We get exposed to the devourer which you called FICTITIOUS. Exactly at the bolded. You have said a lot of things here that if we should go back to them, you'd see your error, that's if you'd admit to them as errors. Is good you know we'll account for our Words... Matthew:12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Colossians:3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. OkaiCorne:How have you adhered to the teachings of Jesus? Did the Jews who were so into Tithe paying but neglected other aspects of the ordinances, commended for it as complete obedience? Didn't the Master say, 'In that (Tithe paying) you did well, but ought not to neglected the other? If you do some and neglect some, then your obedience is not complete. Rev3:2 Wake up! You only have a little Strength left, and it is almost gone. So try to become stronger. I have found that you are not completely obeying God. The Servant's obedience to his Master must be complete before it is termed obedience. Jesus disqualified the Pharisees for their half obedience. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 10:17am On Dec 02, 2017 |
OkaiCorne:Why did you read the scriptures but left them to talk about something else? Why not explain what the scriptures you read means? Are we here to just read and not explain what they say? What does Hebrews 7:8 mean, especially in relation to the verses you added? pls explain. Pls stop derailing yourself here. Nobody had said giving to the less privileged is not important. We not about that here. Lets face what we are here for. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 10:21am On Dec 02, 2017 |
OkaiCorne:Who are the others who have been countering? Yes, they may counter because they have set off their minds in the direction they want to look. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 10:23am On Dec 02, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:Okay, i'm listening, make me understand that Paul was referring only to the Jews living in Jerusalem at the time. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:26am On Dec 02, 2017 |
analize701: I'll be back...but there's something I need you to realize. At the point Jesus spoke to the Pharisees, the Law had not been fulfilled. At what point was the Law fulfilled? If you answer this, then we can continue later today. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by Jesusgirl92(f): 11:30am On Dec 02, 2017 |
OkaiCorne:Foolishness is what you just displayed.... So you've assumed I'm a fornicator just so you can "back up" your misinterpretation of "doing the weightier matters"... Is that the best you've got?? Spiritual blackmail?? Too bad it doesn't work here.... Your words speak volume of the kind of person you are.... Carry on... |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 11:30am On Dec 02, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:Lolzzz. MuttleyLaff:You'd meet me ready. lol. MuttleyLaff:I have responded to this when you asked the first time. Pls refer back. MuttleyLaff:This is the bone of my Op. I asked you this question, but, instead of you giving me an answer you threw it back at me. MuttleyLaff:I gave answer to this too. I said Paul addressed different issues in Hebrews but chapters 7, 8, 9 &10 talks about Christ, the New Covenant his eternal Priesthood. Chpt 11 talks about Faith, no connection. MuttleyLaff:Yes, Paul was directing this to the Jews trying to make them understand that the Priesthood has been changed from the Levitical (Men who die) to the Melchizedekian (the eternal) and Jesus has become that New High Priest. And that, Since Melchizedek lives forever as an High Priest, Christ has also stepped into that same eternal High Priest position according to the Order of Melchizedek. Now, here is why Tithe (which had no bizness being mentioned there was mentioned). The only thing mentioned about Melchizedek as his duty was taking Tithe of Abraham as an High Priest, nothing else. meaning, Jesus will do as Melchizedek did, Take Tithes from then henceforth as the eternal high priest. There's indeed something deeper than we know about Tithing. As am doing this, it's getting clearer to me why i shd be consistent in Paying my Tithe. Why was Tithe the only thing talked about Melchizedek? And why mentioning him again here when turning over his Priesthood to Jesus, Tithe is mentioned again? Bros, there's something here that needs more scrutiny. MuttleyLaff:because they were still holding tightly to the old Covenant which had become Obsolete. He needed to make them Know that the New has replaced the Old. And, that the New is better than the Old. MuttleyLaff:Refer to my answer in 5 MuttleyLaff:No Tithe was not mentioned. But there is something that you'd need to bring to the forefront here. The first time Melchizedek was mentioned, what followed was Tithe, the second time Melchizedek was mentioned what followed was Tithe before going into the Priesthood of Jesus, why? brother, Paul would have without any stress presented his case by way of pointing the Priesthood of Christ to that of Melchizedek as one, without bringing the issue of Tithing and how it shd be done into the matter. Conclusion; Hebrew 7:8 explains to the Jews that, their obligations henceforth were no longer to the earthly Levitical Priests who have become obsolete, and now has to be to Christ who lives forever. He says, Tithe is taken by the living (Priesthood= Christ), no more by the dead and obsolete(priesthood=Levi). |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by Jesusgirl92(f): 11:36am On Dec 02, 2017 |
At first, their argument was "tithing is wrong" "show us in the scriptures where we are instructed to pay tithe".... Now OkaiCorne has changed his argument to " show me in the Scriptures where paying tithe is more important than sacrificial giving " I laugh in the HolyGhost.... Hahahahahahahahaha |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:42am On Dec 02, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92: My dear, foolishness is when I clearly stated in the post you quoted " I assume you are married " but yet you interpreted that as fornication. Read my post slowly before spewing out hateful comments |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by Jesusgirl92(f): 11:45am On Dec 02, 2017 |
OkaiCorne:And you were talking about condom uncle... Uncle sacrificial giving.... "Saving condom money" to help the poor... Lol... See argument... Well done sir. Clap for yourself. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:45am On Dec 02, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92: Please laugh at yourself again When Jesus spoke to the Pharisees on tithing, hope you know the Old Covenant was not yet fulfilled by Jesus. Read your scriptures and let's discuss further |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:48am On Dec 02, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92: I assume married people use condoms right? Why don't they save the money they spend on it and give the poor? You can only love your neighbor as you love yourself... Not more than yourself. Do you now see how sound your logic on giving house rent to a widow is? |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:49am On Dec 02, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92: Condom money, rent money ...aren't both essential for married people? I just tire for all these pretending wey you dey do sef... Be real for once... |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by Jesusgirl92(f): 11:50am On Dec 02, 2017 |
OkaiCorne:clap for yourself na lol "condom money" indeed... |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by nicemuyoo: 11:52am On Dec 02, 2017 |
There is a clear difference between scriptural-historical truth and theological teachings on tithe/ tithing and various other topics. Today i would be mentioning some conclusive statement on tithing based on scriptures and historical facts. 1. Tithe are natural agricultural produce and never money. You 're allow to covert It to money under certain circumstances but you must convert back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying your tithe. If you don't you have to pay a penalty fine on top of your tithe money and once paid it s converted back to food by levies in charge. This was to discourage money tithing. 2. The tithe was a tax system to cater for levites( administrators, judges, teachers etc), widows, orphans, strangers etc. 3. Only increase from selected natural produces from the land of Isreal are acceptable as tithe .you can not pay tithe on from produce from another land 4. A carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase. 5. The tithe is never used for anything other than to feed levites, widows, orphans etc.never used for temple/ church building or any other services. It is an abomination. 6. Temples/ services are run with temple tax a token contribution from each adult. Building is done by voluntary participation and donations. 7. Only a priest/ levites/ tithers/ less privileged eg widows are allowed to enjoy the tithe. 8. Today all who have accepted salvation are priest of the most high , we have one HIGH PRIEST, THE MESSIAH HIMSELF. 9. Tithe was never collected in the early churches. BUT was introduced by roman Catholic church to fund building of huge cathedrals and to pay fat salaries to priest/ bishops. It was Actually imposed on people backed by government law. It was a polished after a public revolt by the people.. It was also abolished in UK after a massive riot. The historic peasant riot. 10. This tithe system was adopted by many countries in Europe to cater for less priviledge in the society hence benefit payments/ food stamps etc. This is completely absent in many African countries today. Folks know the truth and it would set you free. analize701: |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 3:19pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
nicemuyoo:Lolzzz, you said your points are conclusive, yet you ran from top to finish without one single Scripture. Pls show where it says the following people don't Tithe. [bA carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.[/b] |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by Nobody: 3:28pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
analize701:He just started with tithe very soon he will move to another level. The anti Christ will use people from within to operate |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by Nobody: 3:33pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
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Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by nicemuyoo: 3:44pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
From the defination of tithe of you read your bible very well tithe are agricultural produce specifically from land of Isreal. They are not wages as in money paid workers. Even the scribes and Pharisees only tithe agricultural produce. Fish produce is not acceptable as tithe. analize701: |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by Jesusgirl92(f): 4:08pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
nicemuyoo:Scripture please(that defines tithes as agricultural produce)... |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 4:11pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
nicemuyoo:Is the bone of contention here Tithe Paying or the token? If i pay Tithe with Yams will i be doing the right thing? |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701: 4:16pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:Very correct my brother. You'll be surprised how many people will join Daddy Freeze Church when he opens one very soon. To an ignorant unlooker, Freeze is working for God. lol. An agent of satan doing his master's work. Time shall tell. |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by petra1(m): 4:21pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
nicemuyoo: analize701: Nice question. Besides God gave room for money to be given in place of unacceptable things . Also people still have option for cash |
Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by petra1(m): 4:23pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
spongeisback: Jacob was a child of Abraham also but still gave tithes .without going to battle |
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