lefulefu:
any gold digging dude who believes the only way he can make it is by marrying a wealthy woman deserves a vindictive,feminist drama queen as a wife. When the woman don abuse am,make am wash her pants and all im fingers don turn raw from overwashing those panties then im eye go neat.

Any gold digging lady who believes the only way she can make it is by marrying a wealthy man deserves a vindictive, nagging, misogynistic ashole as a husband. How do you see this, especially since it is even more common than the one you mentioned?

If you see nothing wrong in what you said, don't tell me you believe this to be wrong.

We condemn men who do that shiit. We must condemn the women too.

What do you think of a black who decides to be racist towards whites because some whites are racist, and the WHITE who supports him?

chyy5:
Useless Nigerians. God will p.unish all of u. This is how u go about defining marriage as if woman's life and destiny is tied in marriage. Instead of u all to mind your fvcking business and channel that strength in reviving ur dilapidated sh!thole country. Hopeless social media rats that sees women above 30 as if they have committed one abominable offence.
That was how you used your 10mb data, posting u.seless marriage above 30 this and that, cajoled my cousin, an independent lady and a breadwinner in her family to marry a monster.
Her offence is because she's 34, has a very good job and very wealthy.
Everyone on her Facebook will always ask, when are we having ur drink?
She got tired of such questions and have to settle for a sheep in wolf clothing simply because she just wanted to leave the house. Someone she just met.
The monster killed her barely a year into the marriage.
The same hopeless Nigerians went to her facebook wall to type pretentious messages claiming they are pained. Hypocrites!
Leave women alone. When they want to marry they will. Is it ur marriage? Does it concern u?
As for the ladies that will type same rubbish against their fellow ladies, I have nothing for u.
Just because you used pregnancy to trap a guy doesn't make u a wife. Most gals live with men claiming I am married. You are not married. Go home to your parents and stop forming married woman. I served in Akwaibom state, then I have d biggest mouka foam, rented selfcon, fridge was there, plasma, a.c and most Akwaibom and calabar gals I bleep then were doing everything to tie my destiny. In their mind they have seen a guy that's ready despite I'm receiving 19800. Some of them stylishly refused protection so as to get preg and that's how marriage will start.
No bride price, no introduction.
That's the same gals that will come online with their borrowed phone to talk ill of independent gals.
Igbo gals doesn't marry that way. They marry legally.
Society should stop talking trash concerning women and marriage.
As for the ladies above thirty, is not a crime. My sister works with KPMG, she's 34 now and very fine. Not that men aren't coming but you know what u want. Marriage is a lifetime stuff and not a vacation.
There are other successful ladies above thirty and they are doing great.
God will give u all the best husband.
Cheers!

U are a big silly asshole to write this poo and mention Akwa Ibom and Cross River girls. Do you know what people do to girls from other tribes like your cheap igbo girls? I served in anambra and it's on record before i finished i bleeped more than 112 igbo girls. The highest i gave to any of them was 1500 naira. Some are now married and still disturbing my life to come keep bleeping them because 80% of those igbo girls i bleeped claimed they don't like dating their igbo men because they can't screw. When you want to mention the most promiscous tribe when it comes to girls in Nigeria, everyone knows the igbos have the worst set. Who is the first Nigerian to act a porn movie, is it not an igbo lady by name Afro candy from anambra? Who was recently showcased using cucumber to service her sagged pussy, is it not chidinma okeke, another igbo chick? Who first acted naked, banging on a home video, is it not Eucheria Anunobi? Who presently bangs dogs on movies, is it not cossy ojiarkor from Imo state?? The girl king T black has been banging on his online porn show, is she not one igbo girl who came from owerri to lagos??In all these, can you point to one cross river or akwa ibom girl that has gone viral with any sex obscene scene? If i hear u rap shit about my decent aks and crs babes again, i will reel out the names and nude pictures of all igbos cheap women who have been sending their nudes to me online including married ones. In imo state, women are even encouraged to be bleeping rich men outside their matrimonial homes by their parents, knowing u people can do any shit for money..so what's this scumbarg talking about?

chyy5:
Useless Nigerians. God will p.unish all of u. This is how u go about defining marriage as if woman's life and destiny is tied in marriage. Instead of u all to mind your fvcking business and channel that strength in reviving ur dilapidated sh!thole country. Hopeless social media rats that sees women above 30 as if they have committed one abominable offence.
That was how you used your 10mb data, posting u.seless marriage above 30 this and that, cajoled my cousin, an independent lady and a breadwinner in her family to marry a monster.
Her offence is because she's 34, has a very good job and very wealthy.
Everyone on her Facebook will always ask, when are we having ur drink?
She got tired of such questions and have to settle for a sheep in wolf clothing simply because she just wanted to leave the house. Someone she just met.
The monster killed her barely a year into the marriage.
The same hopeless Nigerians went to her facebook wall to type pretentious messages claiming they are pained. Hypocrites!
Leave women alone. When they want to marry they will. Is it ur marriage? Does it concern u?
As for the ladies that will type same rubbish against their fellow ladies, I have nothing for u.
Just because you used pregnancy to trap a guy doesn't make u a wife. Most gals live with men claiming I am married. You are not married. Go home to your parents and stop forming married woman. I served in Akwaibom state, then I have d biggest mouka foam, rented selfcon, fridge was there, plasma, a.c and most Akwaibom and calabar gals I bleep then were doing everything to tie my destiny. In their mind they have seen a guy that's ready despite I'm receiving 19800. Some of them stylishly refused protection so as to get preg and that's how marriage will start.
No bride price, no introduction.
That's the same gals that will come online with their borrowed phone to talk ill of independent gals.
Igbo gals doesn't marry that way. They marry legally.
Society should stop talking trash concerning women and marriage.
As for the ladies above thirty, is not a crime. My sister works with KPMG, she's 34 now and very fine. Not that men aren't coming but you know what u want. Marriage is a lifetime stuff and not a vacation.
There are other successful ladies above thirty and they are doing great.
God will give u all the best husband.
Cheers!

This is very revealing coming from a man. Very sensible post

Acidosis:
To make a good wife to a responsible man, a successful woman at 30, even 40, must be able to drop her success at the door of her office before coming home.

The problem I have with feminism is that the movement is borne out of the suffering and negativities of women who married wrongly. This is why the movement is filled with extremely worthless and bitter people.

Truth is if you have a good attitude, you would never want to associate with feminism or its allied movements. Note, good attitude in this sense also means the ability to recognize and fall for a responsible man. If you're always falling for the wrong men, chances are you have an extremely worthless taste, fallible and questionable attitude, and chances are you will continue to breed the wrong impressions about marriage.

A lot of women with good attitude even at 40 are meeting responsible partners without pressures.

Good attitude is not falling for just any man because you think you're old. Good attitude means falling for the right man at any age. So I'm strongly against the age thing when it comes to marriage. There is more t marriage than age. Marriage is about attitude, good attitude and nothing more.

Oga, you're talking about Misandry not feminism. And I agree that misandrists are extremely worthless and bitter people----just like their misogynistic counterparts (often times, even much WORSE).

Every woman should want to have something to do with feminism, if not for anything at all, at least for the very fact that it was feminists that fought for those rights she now enjoys that supposedly make her "not to need feminism". It's a grave insult for any woman to give the middle finger to these heroes.

Misandrists are sick beings, true, but feminism has its boundary, and doesn't cross into that pestilential territory. It is a noble and NECESSARY movement.

Any woman that becomes a "feminist" as a result of heartbreak is more likely to become a man-hating shitbag. Sorry, she's not a feminist. She's nature's purge, a disgusting malady.

Tozara:
Any gold digging lady who believes the only way she can make it is by marrying a wealthy man deserves a vindictive, nagging, misogynistic ashole as a husband. How do you see this, especially since it is even more common than the one you mentioned?

If you see nothing wrong in what you said, don't tell me you believe this to be wrong.

We condemn men who do that shiit. We must condemn the women too.

What do you think of a black who decides to be racist towards whites because some whites are racist, and the WHITE who supports him?

its already happening...Caroline Danjuma,Tonto Dike etc..na how many of them end up happy with their rich husbands? Point is if the main intention of marrying ur partner is because he/she is wealthy then that partner won't respect u.the man will cheat on u and if u dare open ur mouth he will voice it out dat he picked u frm the gutter. Same with sugarboys married to rich old women. Many of them suffer abuse frm their granny wives. So na so e be. But then its more disrespectful for a man who has two hands and two legs to feel dat d only way to make it is depending on rich women. Omo dat na fuk up na..he is falling the menfolk's hands. For women who depend on rich men ppl might not say much based on the ideology that this is Africa where women have to depend on men. But for a guy abeg he dey fuk up if his ultimate ambition is to marry a rich woman.

HeWrites:
Nigerian physiotherapist identified as @physioNiyi on twitter has taken to the platform to warn all Nigerian men to stay away from any successful lady that is 30 years of age and still single with no kid.

According to the physiotherapist, such lady's attitude is disastrous.

Read the tweets below;

https://torimill.com/2018/02/run-away-from-any-successful-lady-that-is-above-30-and-still-single-nigerian-physiotherapist-warns.html

Very wicked conclusion, that there have been cases of such relationships does not and would not mean conclusively that all in the category would be same outcome.

XhosaNostra:


You must have a good one yourself 1st. No person is gonna give you attitude if you're a good boy.

Fat lie...

lefulefu:
its already happening...Caroline Danjuma,Tonto Dike etc..na how many of them end up happy with their rich husbands? Point is if the main intention of marrying ur partner is because he/she is wealthy then that partner won't respect u.the man will cheat on u and if u dare open ur mouth he will voice it out dat he picked u frm the gutter. Same with sugarboys married to rich old women. Many of them suffer abuse frm their granny wives. So na so e be. But then its more disrespectful for a man who has two hands and two legs to feel dat d only way to make it is depending on rich women. Omo dat na fuk up na..he is falling the menfolk's hands. For women who depend on rich men ppl might not say much based on the ideology that this is Africa where women have to depend on men. But for a guy abeg he dey fuk up if his ultimate ambition is to marry a rich woman.

The standard of judgment should be the same. Women can't attack the patriarchy and still want to retain its benefits for them, while men are to keep suffering the disadvantages it has for their gender. If we're scrapping that system, we're doing it entirely.

In this case both are pathetic beings.

effiong2017:

And my phone battery just clock 30% biko I am running from u ooo.

haha its like u allergic to the number 30.anyway sha this therapist of a lady is wrong with her assumption. I don see with my two koro koro eyes how under 30 housewives be terrorist for their own household. I have seen some under 30 housewives go dey beat their husbands if their husband dare say wetin dem no agree with. There is one wey i witness with my eye. I don't know wetin be their argument oo but na so the young wife just backhand her husband with dirty slap and ppl dey dere. Others were saying na cos d man dey eye another woman yansh.na for party dis one happen. As she just slap her husband na so water dey comot for the man eye. D slap just sound like boko haram bomb.

ruggedmallaam:
Thank God it is coming from a female

He's a Guy Using a Female's Avatar. �

Tozara:
Generalizing again. There's no confused gender (people of the same gender are not some homogenous bloc of people with the same kind of genitals)-----there are confused and hypocritical PEOPLE.

This is why you're The best. Nice one

rawpadgin:
Its not even about the age. 95% of successful women are toxic, rude, unapproachable & feels that a man can't control them

why should a man want to control a woman?

ikevictor:


Women cannot be worthless, neither would the kitchen role be a despicable one. BUT as such as a man who cannot provide for his home is worse than an infidel, is same as a woman who delegates the role of the kitchen to her man is a witch.

Every one has their role, except you are down with a man as explained above...then I understand you totally

If we go by your logic, most Nigerian men won't make heaven. Because whether you like it or not, whether the society likes to admit it or not, a lot of women are the breadwinners or are partial breadwinners out of necessity in their homes. Also by your logic, there would be no such thing as "gold diggers". Times have changed, just like other animals humans should learn to adapt.

XhosaNostra:
Sometimes it's like guys don't know what they want. Some complain about parasitic, golddiggers & yet they still have an issue when a woman has her priorities straight.

What is it exactly that you want?

There's a big difference between been rude and setting priorities..

There are people that are very respectful and yet have their priorities defined, they say No without been rude..

chyy5:
Useless Nigerians. God will p.unish all of u. This is how u go about defining marriage as if woman's life and destiny is tied in marriage. Instead of u all to mind your fvcking business and channel that strength in reviving ur dilapidated sh!thole country. Hopeless social media rats that sees women above 30 as if they have committed one abominable offence.
That was how you used your 10mb data, posting u.seless marriage above 30 this and that, cajoled my cousin, an independent lady and a breadwinner in her family to marry a monster.
Her offence is because she's 34, has a very good job and very wealthy.
Everyone on her Facebook will always ask, when are we having ur drink?
She got tired of such questions and have to settle for a sheep in wolf clothing simply because she just wanted to leave the house. Someone she just met.
The monster killed her barely a year into the marriage.
The same hopeless Nigerians went to her facebook wall to type pretentious messages claiming they are pained. Hypocrites!
Leave women alone. When they want to marry they will. Is it ur marriage? Does it concern u?
As for the ladies that will type same rubbish against their fellow ladies, I have nothing for u.
Just because you used pregnancy to trap a guy doesn't make u a wife. Most gals live with men claiming I am married. You are not married. Go home to your parents and stop forming married woman. I served in Akwaibom state, then I have d biggest mouka foam, rented selfcon, fridge was there, plasma, a.c and most Akwaibom and calabar gals I bleep then were doing everything to tie my destiny. In their mind they have seen a guy that's ready despite I'm receiving 19800. Some of them stylishly refused protection so as to get preg and that's how marriage will start.
No bride price, no introduction.
That's the same gals that will come online with their borrowed phone to talk ill of independent gals.
Igbo gals doesn't marry that way. They marry legally.
Society should stop talking trash concerning women and marriage.
As for the ladies above thirty, is not a crime. My sister works with KPMG, she's 34 now and very fine. Not that men aren't coming but you know what u want. Marriage is a lifetime stuff and not a vacation.
There are other successful ladies above thirty and they are doing great.
God will give u all the best husband.
Cheers!

I love this idea

chyy5:
Useless Nigerians. God will p.unish all of u. This is how u go about defining marriage as if woman's life and destiny is tied in marriage. Instead of u all to mind your fvcking business and channel that strength in reviving ur dilapidated sh!thole country. Hopeless social media rats that sees women above 30 as if they have committed one abominable offence.
That was how you used your 10mb data, posting u.seless marriage above 30 this and that, cajoled my cousin, an independent lady and a breadwinner in her family to marry a monster.
Her offence is because she's 34, has a very good job and very wealthy.
Everyone on her Facebook will always ask, when are we having ur drink?
She got tired of such questions and have to settle for a sheep in wolf clothing simply because she just wanted to leave the house. Someone she just met.
The monster killed her barely a year into the marriage.
The same hopeless Nigerians went to her facebook wall to type pretentious messages claiming they are pained. Hypocrites!
Leave women alone. When they want to marry they will. Is it ur marriage? Does it concern u?
As for the ladies that will type same rubbish against their fellow ladies, I have nothing for u.
Just because you used pregnancy to trap a guy doesn't make u a wife. Most gals live with men claiming I am married. You are not married. Go home to your parents and stop forming married woman. I served in Akwaibom state, then I have d biggest mouka foam, rented selfcon, fridge was there, plasma, a.c and most Akwaibom and calabar gals I bleep then were doing everything to tie my destiny. In their mind they have seen a guy that's ready despite I'm receiving 19800. Some of them stylishly refused protection so as to get preg and that's how marriage will start.
No bride price, no introduction.
That's the same gals that will come online with their borrowed phone to talk ill of independent gals.
Igbo gals doesn't marry that way. They marry legally.
Society should stop talking trash concerning women and marriage.
As for the ladies above thirty, is not a crime. My sister works with KPMG, she's 34 now and very fine. Not that men aren't coming but you know what u want. Marriage is a lifetime stuff and not a vacation.
There are other successful ladies above thirty and they are doing great.
God will give u all the best husband.
Cheers!

U are a darling. To think that a guy typed this, twale for you.

harzheez:
RIP English. and you claim you are a writer �����[/s][s][s]

rip common sense was it that hard for your brain to comprehend the tech behind quoting another user correctly? And you call yourself a computer expert. Your attempts to format texts with the standard text codes on this php bulletin board reflects the deep seated incompetence that surrounds what you now call your life. Yes sir. I write,sometimes in English pidgin or whatever language I choose to. I noticed that you have a chronic mental ailment when you quoted a post where I commented using pidgin(an accepted and established local derivative of the modern English) and tagged it as English yourself, then in your typical foolishness (lending credence to your decision to study as a part time student instead of a full time student after several failed attempts at entering into the poorly regulated Nigerian tertiary institutional system like a "normal " person) went ahead to type RIP English, you were probably mourning your foolishness, because that wasn't English and the only thing that is noticeably dead in the course of this our short romance is your comprehension skill.

Who certified this one biko nu? I pity his clients/patients

quote author=chyy5 post=64937210]Useless Nigerians. God will p.unish all of u. This is how u go about defining marriage as if woman's life and destiny is tied in marriage. Instead of u all to mind your fvcking business and channel that strength in reviving ur dilapidated sh!thole country. Hopeless social media rats that sees women above 30 as if they have committed one abominable offence.
That was how you used your 10mb data, posting u.seless marriage above 30 this and that, cajoled my cousin, an independent lady and a breadwinner in her family to marry a monster.
Her offence is because she's 34, has a very good job and very wealthy.
Everyone on her Facebook will always ask, when are we having ur drink?
She got tired of such questions and have to settle for a sheep in wolf clothing simply because she just wanted to leave the house. Someone she just met.
The monster killed her barely a year into the marriage.


The same hopeless Nigerians went to her facebook wall to type pretentious messages claiming they are pained. Hypocrites!
Leave women alone. When they want to marry they will. Is it ur marriage? Does it concern u?
As for the ladies that will type same rubbish against their fellow ladies, I have nothing for u.
Just because you used pregnancy to trap a guy doesn't make u a wife. Most gals live with men claiming I am married. You are not married. Go home to your parents and stop forming married woman. I served in Akwaibom state, then I have d biggest mouka foam, rented selfcon, fridge was there, plasma, a.c and most Akwaibom and calabar gals I bleep then were doing everything to tie my destiny. In their mind they have seen a guy that's ready despite I'm receiving 19800. Some of them stylishly refused protection so as to get preg and that's how marriage will start.
No bride price, no introduction.
That's the same gals that will come online with their borrowed phone to talk ill of independent gals.
Igbo gals doesn't marry that way. They marry legally.
Society should stop talking trash concerning women and marriage.
As for the ladies above thirty, is not a crime. My sister works with KPMG, she's 34 now and very fine. Not that men aren't coming but you know what u want. Marriage is a lifetime stuff and not a vacation.
There are other successful ladies above thirty and they are doing great.
God will give u all the best husband.
Cheers! [/quote]


You were making sence until you started blabbing about having sex with Akwa Ibom girls when you where a core member. The derogatory remarks were just unnecessary and is a clear indication that you still have a long way to go in terms of maturity. Grow up young boy

[quote author=habsydiamond post=64936809]Truth is bitter...if a girl does not have a guy at the age of 30 and she's ok in everything.... something is wrong somewhere...maybe her behaviour or spiritual things[/quote
I totally agree with u

Any woman above 30 yrs is bad market successful or unsuccessful

Only lazy poor gold digging men go for them. 28 yrs is my Max. High mileage ladies are like second hand Naija abused cars Soo unreliable.

alexialin:












Eeyah, so sorry about your cousin who died marrying the wrong person. May her soul rest in peace.
Some women have died rushing into marriage, marrying the wrong men due to society pressure.

When I was single, any of my friends who ask such questions, when are we coming to eat rice? Thrice? Na block straight. I don't have time for rubbish.
People mocking ladies who are yet to marry? Their own they wait for dem in front. Them sef will have sleepless nights and frustration upon their own future and friends and strangers will also ask them same question.
That's karma and it exists.

Nigerians will never mind their business, pokenosing in other people's lovelife/ marriage instead of working on their own lives. It's not like they have a perfect life going for them.
Ladies in their 30s and above 30s yet to marry? Don't listen to anyone pressurizing you to. Your own marriage will come at the right time.
My own came at the right time but some people here could not take the reality. They went crazy with madness , cos I got married happily and quietly in my 30s. And am still in my 30s and in my husband's home.

They felt am lieing. How can she get married? It's impossible? As if I have one incurable disease or disfigured looks or maybe they are the ones who created me and my destiny.. Smhhh

And I wonder why should I lie, am married with a fine lil boy, who looks exactly like me and his dad. For what purpose will I lie? Some people are just sick upstairs, I swear.

My dear, some Nigerians are completely lost and deluded with their evil thoughts. Thats why the country is where it is today. Misplaced priorities everywhere. And I will always protect my family from evil prying eyes!

Ladies, just do your own thing and ignore pyschos who comes in sheep clothing to destroy. You are living comfortably , that's all that matters.
Peace.

So all of a sudden you got married? Hahahaha make lie no kill you ooh! Keep deceiving yourself you hear?

lefulefu:
Its really not about the age.there are also those below 30 who are mean,heartless and are dramaqueens.some are just inborn with such character so its not about having a car and being above 30.woman wey good go good.

Exactly

XhosaNostra:
Sometimes it's like guys don't know what they want. Some complain about parasitic, golddiggers & yet they still have an issue when a woman has her priorities straight.

What is it exactly that you want?

Did you ever use the moniker "bride of dracula"?

Gerrard59:



Women date/marry up (psychology and nature makes it so). I don't know why it's taking so long for NL males to understand this!

Exactly what I’ve been thinking, hence why Genevieve and co have not settled down yet. Someone wrote here the pickings of good men out there are slim, that’s the female mind set. Pickings are slim when they set unrealistic expectations of how a man should look, but they forget that women are using artificial beauty products to enhance their look by 50%.

One thing I know about women is that they act and look fake to a point they have a borderline dissonance from reality, up to age 50 for rich black women (they age better than Caucasian women) they continue to live in illusion, the reality check starts I think at age 50 for them. So I’m sure Linda Ikeji and her cohorts will finally settle down at that age, because they have to hit the wall very hard first way past their prime.

Nigerian men know the red flags to look out for, and her success is not one of them. We observe how you treat restaurant employees, your personal driver etc. We are not quick to criticize women, but we will use every available opportunity to call women out to stop the double standards and try to date down also.

I think OP points are in order, if you're any higher than a 5 and consistently can't keep a man around YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, you are usually so full of yourselves thinking you’re the shi$t and your obsession with what your friends think about your guy will keep you single for a long time. The whole idea of this thread is to nudge you to reality to stop drooling over shi$t you can't have. This hypergamy is even more pronounced in online dating from various survey showing a 90/10% rule, 90% of women online are f$$kin 10% of high status men available, no wonder they complain the pickings are slim.

I can only make an exception for an ugly rich lady, as it’s difficult to tell if it’s her ugliness working against her and not her attitude.

this is fact not only successful they believe their personal intelligent as a perfect one

This not fair
Not all women above 30 are mean & bossy..........
Some are very nice and sweet and great marriage companions.................some are arrogant & selfish depends on the woman in particular

Jigba:
Only insecure men think like that. Just because a woman is successful and above 30 doesn't automatically mean her attitude is disastrous. I'm sure there are women below 30 who have nasty attitude.

It's simply because most men don't like when their women are more successful than them

hmmmm experience is the best teacher

when women talk about male sex dulls, the guys will say go ahead but it can't buy you iphones and Brazilian hair. now those that can afford both without running to a man are here and the guys are still crying. what the heck is your problem.

Izen:


If we go by your logic, most Nigerian men won't make heaven. Because whether you like it or not, whether the society likes to admit it or not, a lot of women are the breadwinners or are partial breadwinners out of necessity in their homes. Also by your logic, there would be no such thing as "gold diggers". Times have changed, just like other animals humans should learn to adapt.

There's no adaptation for a true Christian if the standard is not culed from the bible. A woman.can support her husband, that is not same as being a breadwinner. And a woman can stand in for the husband in difficult times, that does not make that her responsibility.

And any man who chooses to do nothing while the wife provides totally for the home, is worse than an infidel. Bible standard not mine.

Animals can adapt since they do not read the bible or have religion, come talk of raising a family.

If animals really have standard dem no go de impregnate their mama....

So I am worried you refer us to learn from animals, when it comes to running the home. Well, thanks for the advice.

#Sad.

XhosaNostra:
Sometimes it's like guys don't know what they want. Some complain about parasitic, golddiggers & yet they still have an issue when a woman has her priorities straight.

What is it exactly that you want?

gold diggers in deed, when last did you take you husband or boyfriend out for dinner and paid bills, una want free spending but never want to spend on a man, same goes for your brothers who you see as male enemies too, pls get out of your hostile zone and embrace marriage in time before your time bomb expires you

NO BIBLE VERSE TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS SOOOOOO