macof:


How am I sure they are converted? Well discrepancies, lack of evidence, the claim being in complete contradiction with established facts

How are you sure that they have always been Jews living in Yorùbáland?

1. There are no records of Jewish or Hebrew religion in Yorùbáland.. Not by the Sufi scholars of Gao or Timbuktu, not by the European explorers and certainly not by the Yoruba
If you are aware of records of Jewish religion before Christianity in the 19th century do share

2. Even if there were records of the presence of Jewish religion prior to Christianity (or even Islam, good luck finding evidence for that though) that would not mean that those Jews were always following the religion or that they were ancestrally descended from Hebrews

To prove that such an early Jewish presence was in fact present since the beginning of the Yoruba civilization
You would need to provide archeological evidence of Jewish art or any form of tangible Hebrew artefact that is as old as the Yoruba civilization

To prove that descendants of Hebrews indeed settle in Yorùbáland you would have to provide dna analysis tracing the modern Yoruba to 4000 year old Jews


Oh do provide the records of the Bnai Ephraim you claim are original yorubas practicing Judaism who migrated from Israel to Spain then to Yorùbáland. I would love to read a scholarly work on this migration

I also saw in that laughable oriki thread where everyone is just saying nonsense that you say Whydah is the kingdom of judah because you saw Whydah written as "Juda" on a European map
Man, how lazy can Nigerians be. Now is it too hard for you to study Whydah history and see if it is stated to be founded by Hebrews from the Kingdom of Judah or by Black West Africans?
Did you bother asking yourself why different European maps would write the name of saveral African kingdoms different? The inability of Europeans to pronounce the proper African names never occurred to you?

You got a lot to learn man

Explain the meaning of the inscription of opa oranmiyah if you know it.

Secondly, how is Yoruba's Opa oranmiyah classified as Hebrew language as resh and yod ?

macof:

You'll first explain HOW it is Hebrew

I don't need to explain to you because it has been accepted in the scholarly world as classic Hebrew. So how dare you ask me ? Srop peddling falsification!

macof:
You didn't address so many points and just make excuses and jump to more claims

OK, now you have said you never claimed the Yoruba are semitic but rather the semitic people derived their culture, traditions and language from the Yoruba who used to live in the middle East long before the supposed time of Abraham
That should put the Yoruba presence in that region to earlier than 2000BC
Never forget this, because I know you suck at chronology

How come the studies on semitic culture and language hasn't been found to descend from or be influenced by the Yoruba?
The semitic people have had a writting culture for over 4000 years, meaning they possessed the ability to retain history better than civilizations without writing culture
One major reason silly people are quick to conclude that Africa had no history

Now let's say ok, Yoruba who civilized the semitic people, left them and went down to West Africa
Somehow they lost the writing culture of the middle East?
I would have said they also lost their language but you claim Yoruba is still an Afro-asiatic language.. So oK

You used the example of afro descendants in the americas and asked how do we know they are really afro descendants?
Well first thing is that there are records of it from 3 continents
1. Africa where they came from
2. Europe who was involved in their transportation
3. America where they arrived

And no evidence exists to debunk these records
But evidence exists to support them

Now my further questions are
What records from Yorùbáland exist and what records from the middle exist.. That state Yoruba were in the middle East? Under what names were the Yoruba called in the middle East? because we know the Yoruba never had a single name to refer to all speakers of the Yoruba language so surely the Yoruba were not a unified group when they were in the middle East right?



I could easily just end this by asking you what your source for this "it is believed Yoruba are noahdic" and "Yoruba Language is proto-semitic".. But let's go on and analyse the whole post, I will ask you later

isn't Abraham a descendant of Noah according to Hebrew narratives?
I am unsure of what Arabs say
(@RamessesIV. Can you educate me on this as you would know more about this)

So logically Abrahamics are Noahdics too.

And earlier you said Arabs descended from Ad now you say they descended from Abraham
Why the inconsistencies? You don't get to shift argument like that what da heck

And don't tell me I'm mixing anything up, you lack consistency and all 4 of you (absoluteSuccess, olu317 and obalufon included) support each other but when you get called out and you have no come back, you switch to a new argument and leave your brothers in the cold.

wait what exactly are you doing? Are you seriously implying the black people of the americas are not African?
Because you need to be clear on that

But to address the question.. yes several enslaved Africans who were born in Africa and regained freedom mentioned their original names and described their homeland and family in Africa. And in some cases descendants of an enslaved African born retained information about their homeland like in the case of Kunta Kinte's descendants

For an enslaved people forced to lose their identity that is impressive....

Oludah Equiano, Cudjo Lewis, Ayuba Suleiman Diallo and Abdul-Rahman ibn Sori are only few examples
If you are interested in the topic of enslaved Africans go and get their biographies and autobiographies because I don't get why you even think this is comparable to your claim of yoruba originating from the middle East



Except Sigidi doesn't mean to "prostrate". It refers to a clay effigy, the very core nature of the word "sigidi" is the characteristic of the object not that people prostrate to it or sing to it or pour oil on it. The name has nothing to do with the actions people do with it


Furthermore, you would have to explain the evolution of the word Shigidi to Sujud and apply same method to many other words to get your desired Cognates



You don't concern yourself with genetics but you bragged about possessing sources that state Yoruba and bedoiuns share same haplogroup

Another change of argument

And the role of a priest is what? If not to hold knowledge of what he is a priest of
He is the priest of oduduwa yet you say his role is not to posses information about Oduduwa's origin?
Where do arokin get their information from if not from the priests and families themselves?
If an arokin comes and sings something he heard from someone else about my family in a bid to surprise me, so I can't tell the arokin that his informant is wrong?
Arokin are mere praise singers

How does shigidi mean to prostrate in any Yoruba dialect ?

Olu317:
How does shigidi mean to prostrate in any Yoruba dialect ?

You should ask your fellow middle eastern wannabe @metaphysical. that was his own imagination as you people get all your ideas from your crazy imaginations

macof:

You should ask your fellow middle eastern wannabe @metaphysical. that was his own imagination as you people get all your ideas from your crazy imaginations

I've been waiting for your reply to that.

I was almost tempted to reply saying: "that's not your view".

Olu317:
I don't need to explain to you because it has been accepted in the scholarly world as classic Hebrew. So how dare you ask me ? Srop peddling falsification!

Lmao. Before you want silent for weeks I showed you scholars debunking whatever idea that the marks on the Opa Oranmiyan are Hebrew

I know you have a blocked brain so it has quickly flown out of your head again

macof:

Lmao. Before you want silent for weeks I showed you scholars debunking whatever idea that the marks on the Opa Oranmiyan are Hebrew

I know you have a blocked brain so it has quickly flown out of your head again

modified:

As usual , you have no regard for scholars, instead, you peddle false information as fact. Little do you know, the inscription on opa oranmiyah isn't a secret ideogram that can be read easily. And the people who have tried to read said it is written in Hebrew. Now, if it is not written in Hebrew, what language is opa oranmiyah written in ?


Perhaps, you will need to explain to us the manner at which, Yoruba ancestors had knowledge of alphabets during the medieval time. After all, Africans inscriptions ,even the old Egypt's hieroglyphs are different from Yoruba's.


Certainly, such as you need be spanked on the head because, you virtually have nothing up in your brain than rhetorics. Interestingly, I know your ancestors. are actually, the type that were assimilated into Yoruba fold, because they were naturally not Yoruba people from inception,which is the reason you have no knowledge beyond West Africa ,which was not inhabited over 200,000 years ago. Yet , you keep chanting West Africa as if Yoruba ancestors language originated from West Africa. Any way, you remained your humble self; hypothetical mumu.

TAO11:


I've been waiting for your reply to that.

I was almost tempted to reply saying: "that's not your view".

I must confess, that you have been quite amazing with your pattern of information which I admire but you need review human history to have further understanding of world language,which is contrary to the manner at which you picked certain words in English and your perceived view of having Yoruba cognate.

Intentionally, you hold a distant view on Yoruba language and culture history, which showed where you stand on migrant identity. This is because, you seemingly don't clue on the ideograms I can read and interpret which is the Semitic knowledge. So, if you picked any dictionary of Arabic and Japanese to understanding the relationship with Yoruba, then you have a big challenge on it.

Interestingly, English language language borrowed lot of words from classic Hebrew ,which became part of her lexicon.So , I will not be surprise if you find such cognstet relationship
between English language and Yoruba's. Mind you, cognate has both true and false ; which is the reason, you realise it is not about assumption or Middle Eastern ideology.

Lastly, do you know Agada ; scimitar (small word being used by ancient Yoruba kings, princes, great & outstanding warriors are Middle Eastern origin / Oriental sword ? Perhaps, you need pick up interest in understanding the identity of these ancient Yoruba men. Do you know many people have studied Yoruba's ancient loom, arrow, houses etc to be non West African ?

TAO11:


See I am uninterested in this kind of discourse.

What I will ask you to do (and be honest with yourself about is a very) simple data collection quest.

(1) Begin with honesty and fairness to yourself.

(2) Reach as many participants as you possible.

(3) Record your participant's religion of orientation (or religion of nurture).
[Not necessarily their present religion].

(4) Record also their hypothesis of Yoruba roots.

(5) I assure you even before your research that almost 100% of time your result will be as follows:

Islamic religion of nurture ---> Saudi Arabia, Mecca origin, etc.

Christian religion or nurture ---> Israel, Egypt origin, etc.

[Note: participant = those with Middle Eastern Yoruba root jokes].

Try this out and post your HONEST find on this same platform.

That should be a first step to your realization of how all the so-called research you all are doing is nothing but a self-fulfilling pseudo-intellectual goose chase.

I will be waiting to see your find.

I don't expect you to understand ideograms of Semitic origin or the religion perspective you digressed into because of the stress it involved in knowing or reading it. So, I understand where you are coming from. Though, I appreciate what you posited but such information is beyond NL because, it is strictly for public domain.

Olu317:
I don't expect you to understand ideograms of Semitic origin or the religion perspective you digressed into because of the stress it involved in knowing or reading it. So, I understand where you are coming from. Though, I appreciate what you posited but such information is beyond NL because, it is strictly for public domain.

Welcome bro, its been a while.

Hope you are good?

Stay safe.

But come to think of it, “seeking historical facts” is not the same as “seeking sociological answers” from survey of random, comical samples. Whoever is directing scientific findings wrongly, is unconscious of scientific principles of writing historical piece when tradition is all you have.

Some folks' sense of "history" is recent "sociological theory" that has replaced the ancient thread of traditions that connects humanity. Its a novel continuous process of "desocializing" to "resocialise" people on another perspective of "history" without history.

Olu317:
How does shigidi mean to prostrate in any Yoruba dialect ?

lol

absoluteSuccess:
But come to think of it, “seeking historical facts” is not the same as “seeking sociological answers” from survey of random, comical samples. Whoever is directing scientific findings wrongly, is unconscious of scientific principles of writing historical piece when tradition is all you have.

Some folks' sense of "history" is recent "sociological theory" that has replaced the ancient thread of traditions that connects humanity. Its a novel continuous process of "desocializing" to "resocialise" people on another perspective of "history" without history.

If you were intelligent enough you would know why TAO11 asked that
And wouldn't need to make this outcry

Studying the background of the person/persons making "historical claims" without evidence is one way to learn their motivation and tackle the very idea at it's core

You of all people, who have claimed that I only question your ridiculous claims because I am igbo should understand the direction of TAO11 but of course you don't...or maybe you do

I can't help but laugh at this outcry. Because it could mean you know what the result of such a survey will be
Which is as I have always maintained..

Church Boys as yourself want to be Hebrew
Quranic boys want to be Arab
By implication take out religious sentiments and indoctrination and there wouldn't even be a Yoruba are Hebrew or Arab or whatever other nonsense claim

African concerts to Abrahamic religions always want to exterminate the local tradition and knowledge, if they can't, they want to Abrahamize it

funny how your rhetoric changes and lacks consistency.
So now my ancestors are "one of those who assimilated into Yoruba"

Funny how you know my ancestry so well.
Almost as if you just take whatever comes to your imagination as reality

Oh and I thought I was an Edo/Igala/Igbo (anything but absolutely not yoruba) man named Makinde Olufemi who's daughter your friend got married to
Let me remind you of your last declaration of my origin

Olu317:
His name are Makinde Oluwafemi/Olufem . And it seems he is a journalist without substantial portfolio.

Furthermore, there is no way he will agree with you because he is deranged. After all, he claims South Africa and West Africa are same people linguistically. No wonder, he hss been informing with substantial evidence or witnesses.

And again, he said that Yoruba people have spiritual power to overturn delicacy issues as normal. Though it is noormal for misunderstanding to ensues but aftermath effect will be devastating.

Now to address this more squarely

Olu317:
As usual , you have no regard for scholars, instead, you peddle false information as fact. Little do you know, the inscription on opa oranmiyah isn't a secret ideogram that can be read easily. And the people who have tried to read said it is written in Hebrew. Now, if it is not written in Hebrew, what language is opa oranmiyah written in ?


Perhaps, you will need to explain to us the manner at which, Yoruba ancestors had knowledge of alphabets during the medieval time. After all, Africans inscriptions ,even the old Egypt's hieroglyphs are different from Yoruba's.


Certainly, such as you need be spanked on the head because, you virtually have nothing up in your brain than rhetorics. Interestingly, I know your ancestors. are actually, the type that were assimilated into Yoruba fold, because they were naturally not Yoruba people from inception,which is the reason you have no knowledge beyond West Africa ,which was not inhabited over 200 years ago . Yet , you keep chanting West Africa as if Yoruba ancestors language originated from West Africa. Any way, you remained your humble self; hypothetical mumu.

we both know who regards scholarship here
My wealth of academic knowledge will floor you

Here is an article by Claudia Zaslavsky the author of "Africa counts", here she references johnson respecfully and uses the reviews of William Fagg and Frank Willet to set things straight

And in case you don't know what you are actually talking about, I posted a picture of the markings on the Opa Oranmiyan.
Do show us the Hebrew alphabets you see in this picture


Edit : wait, did I just read, "west africa was not inhabited over 200 years ago"?
Like seriously? This mofo is saying at around 1700 West Africa was uninhabited

Is this the guy calling me a hypothetical mumu... What does that even mean
What a mess

TAO11:


I saw that post and just ignored.

That post is pregnant with information about the base understanding level of who I was about to engage, so I moved.

And btw, you've been doing a great intellectual work here on these guys. Your effort is not unnoticed.

I hope someday these folks will be matured and bold enough to come into the real-world.

I was once like them. I championed such jokes before.

Cognitive dissonance is heavily at play here.

I am extremely glad one person who I engaged in the past was able to be free from this.
I imagine it's not easy breaking out of such.

My aim is no longer to get them to reason, I have lost hope on that, I'm more concerned about those who don't know basic historical facts that might get pulled into their web of fantastic stories and claims

Imagine Yoruba becoming like igboland where they have almost lost their senses with identifying with Israel

TAO11:


Macof, I swear the above was going to be my next question to you --- that is, if you saw what Olu said about West Africa being uninhabited 200 years ago, when many settlements were already flowering in Ife by the 4th century BC from the archaeological finds of Paul Ozanne 1969.

Ómà ṣe ò!

these are the kind of things they claim. No historical fact in their disposal at all

I have to say you have a weapon of scholarly texts and books

It's no news to anyone who is informed that Ife is set to have settlements as early as 500 BC using archaeological, linguistic evidence and interpretation of traditional records

One of the projects I am currently working on is about the Yoruba interaction with Muslim dominated cities in much of africa, which could even shed more light on the name "Yoruba" and just how well travelled the Yoruba were
Since apparently a few people think maintaining Yoruba are native west Africans is like saying we were primate isolationist

I've been lifted up from this crass level conversation already. What a time with psychopaths!

May I not stoop low to it again at any price. If you like write about the beginning of the universe.

Or have the knowledge of all professors that ever lived, you don't have my knowledge. That settles it.

If you like change from joke to morbid sadness. Trolling me never implies you are a great success by your convictions.

I no be una mate in thinking faculty.

You can always change cause you know little, but can't change whoever knows more than you.

Na una sabi.

absoluteSuccess:
I've been lifted up from this crass level conversation already. What a time with psychopaths!

May I not stoop low to it again at any price. If you like write about the beginning of the universe.

Or have the knowledge of all professors that ever lived, you don't have my knowledge. That settles it.

If you like change from joke to morbid sadness. Trolling me never implies you are a great success by your convictions.

I no be una mate in thinking faculty.

You can always change cause you know little, but can't change whoever knows more than you.

Na una sabi.

just look at this mess

Basically "if you like know it all and give me the facts, I will not accept because it doesn't come from my imagination" is just what this means

@tao11 I told you these guys are gone

absoluteSuccess:


Welcome bro, its been a while.

Hope you are good?

Stay safe.

Yes, it is been a while indeed . I am good. Stay safe with your family members. Thanks

Ayo Ogun; Samuel Johnson,
Scribner's Son,
Slideboom
Fatunbi,
Williams ,
Siculus,
Dennet ,
Wi Lizzie etc

have commented on Opa Oranmiyah. So, macof, what is special of this commentator of yours who don't know the meaning of the inscription .Beside, go to IleIfe to see the writing pattern so that you can see difference from picture onlione and the real deal!

Even renown Professors , who are known historians in Nigeria or across the globe will never delve into what isn't their jurisdiction except such knowledge on hieroglyphs, pictographs, ideograms, Semitic writing knowledge are acquired but here you're, fuming over assumption . Believe me, you're a typical Yoruba man with the biggest Joke because you regurgitate , nothing new.............

macof:

these are the kind of things they claim. No historical fact in their disposal at all

I have to say you have a weapon of scholarly texts and books

It's no news to anyone who is informed that Ife is set to have settlements as early as 500 BC using archaeological, linguistic evidence and interpretation of traditional records

One of the projects I am currently working on is about the Yoruba interaction with Muslim dominated cities in much of africa, which could even shed more light on the name "Yoruba" and just how well travelled the Yoruba were
Since apparently a few people think maintaining Yoruba are native west Africans is like saying we were primate isolationist

TAO11:


See I am uninterested in this kind of discourse.

What I will ask you to do (and be honest with yourself about is a very) simple data collection quest.

(1) Begin with honesty and fairness to yourself.

(2) Reach as many participants as you possible.

(3) Record your participant's religion of orientation (or religion of nurture).
[Not necessarily their present religion].

(4) Record also their hypothesis of Yoruba roots.

(5) I assure you even before your research that almost 100% of time your result will be as follows:

Islamic religion of nurture ---> Saudi Arabia, Mecca origin, etc.

Christian religion or nurture ---> Israel, Egypt origin, etc.

[Note: participant = those with Middle Eastern Yoruba root jokes].

Try this out and post your HONEST find on this same platform.

That should be a first step to your realization of how all the so-called research you all are doing is nothing but a self-fulfilling pseudo-intellectual goose chase.

I will be waiting to see your find.

Great confusion piece!

2prexios:




Great confusion piece!

You see, the propaganda of 500BC of existence of Yoruba at Ileife was overrated and thrown to bin as false information because, it has no true radio carbon dating evidence . This was even mentioned in Susan Blier journal on ‘Ife , the birth place of Yoruba'. And you will see people like macof chanting song as if he know much on these area that he is delved into,yet he has no pinch of any from of knowledge on it .


It is only in Nigeria, you will find educated bigotry at the peak,simply because truth is about emerging and some of these people don't have patience to be tolerant, which even Ifaodu isnt afraid of because, the ifaodu begun the knowledge of one formless God who dwell in Ora; light . Imaging people who don't know the difference between yod/yud and resh/reish claiming they know a language ,I am familiar with ? I doubt even if macof know that Professor Akintoye has also seen the Opa Oranmiyah inscription without him knowing what it mean and the highly respected professor didn't doubt the Hebraic inscription on it ? But here we are finding people postulating as if the authors they mentioned and rely on ever claimed that their research work on Yoruba ethnic group affirm Yoruba people as indigenous to Africa. Funnily, macof has drifted several times on many view on Yoruba iconic figures, such as who the Ooni was, Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis,East Africa origin of Yoruba people etc


Bro, I am not interested in exchanging messages with people who need ask question, instead of concluding on a language they don't even know the foundation of it nor the religion of her people called Ifaodu. English language is of Germanic origin and of Mediterranean,Roman-latin,etc loaned words. Can any of these people mentioned, where Yoruba language developed from in West Africa or any other part from Africa? Interestingly, West Africa languages don't match Yoruba's lexicon. Even the Edo; who spoke Igodomigodo language,were influence linguistically. While Ibo language became interrelated with yoruba alongside Kabba- Igala mix interaction, which testified to few loaned words across board.

Olu317:
You see, the propaganda of 500BC of existence of Yoruba at Ileife was overrated and thrown to bin as false information because, it has no true radio carbon dating evidence . This was even mentioned in Susan Blier journal on ‘Ife , the birth place of Yoruba'. And you will see people like macof chanting song as if he know much on these area that he is delved into,yet he has no pinch of any from of knowledge on it .


It is only in Nigeria, you will find educated bigotry at the peak,simply because truth is about emerging and some of these people don't have patience to be tolerant, which even Ifaodu isnt afraid of because, the ifaodu begun the knowledge of one formless God who dwell in Ora; light . Imaging people who don't know the difference between yod/yud and resh/reish claiming they know a language ,I am familiar with ? I doubt even if macof know that Professor Akintoye has also seen the Opa Oranmiyah inscription without him knowing what it mean and the highly respected professor didn't doubt the Hebraic inscription on it ? But here we are finding people postulating as if the authors they mentioned and rely on ever claimed that their research work on Yoruba ethnic group affirm Yoruba people as indigenous to Africa. Funnily, macof has drifted several times on many view on Yoruba iconic figures, such as who the Ooni was, Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis,East Africa origin of Yoruba people etc


Bro, I am not interested in exchanging messages with people who need ask question, instead of concluding on a language they don't even know the foundation of it nor the religion of her people called Ifaodu. English language is of Germanic origin and of Mediterranean,Roman-latin,etc loaned words. Can any of these people mentioned, where Yoruba language developed from in West Africa or any other part from Africa? Interestingly, West Africa languages don't match Yoruba's lexicon. Even the Edo; who spoke Igodomigodo language,were influence linguistically. While Ibo language became interrelated with yoruba alongside Kabba- Igala mix interaction, which testified to few loaned words across board.

That guy has exposed himself as a fraud and a deceiving devil. Can you imagine a man who must go to "many African countries dominated by Muslims" just to get the meaning of the name Yoruba by proxy? Whats the wisdom in this?

A counterproductive exercise

Do you have some muslim countries where you do survey and finds out the meaning of a word that has been in circulation for centuries? Now, tell me how an ancient culture ignorant of her ethnonym is aware of her own history by this implication.

Were there people from the last two centuries who are "custodians of Yoruba history" living in "many muslim dominated countries"? If so, what preserve the name "Yoruba" in this folks' consciousness? Why this topic or its intellectual significance in the first instance?

What is the inspiration?

Discussions on nairaland led to "the project". Together, we have given purpose to a man and that is fulfillment on my part. But that's not all. A choice of "historical project" exposes the intellectual capabilities of the researcher. Therefore the phantom project is nairaland borne project.

So, one can actually find out the authoritative meaning of the name Yoruba from "Muslim dominated countries" but can't come across or find out the meaning of couple of Hebrew words in Yoruba domain. One idea is permissive but the other non-permisive.

Deception in Disguise

So, what's "the proof of limit" or otherwise on mobility of the early itinerary Yoruba? Why not travel around the world for the same purpose? A fake have predetermined results somewhere and may create buzz for whatever lies he's cooking.

How do you know this? It's always around the trending topics of interest that someone else chooses that a fake assumed as 'sacrosanct thesis' just because the other fellow could talk about it. So the psyche is that they (fakes) could talk about it "better".

You can get the ruse from there. Why dwell on another man's original idea either wrong or right? why not conceive your own original idea and thesis? That's being an intellectual-subset. There are thousands of topics that an original researcher could generate from his wealth of knowledge than squatting intellectually on tired topics that you can easily pick resources for on the internet.

That guy is not Yoruba.

absoluteSuccess:


That guy has exposed himself as a fraud and a deceiving devil. Can you imagine a man who must go to "many African countries dominated by Muslims" just to get the meaning of the name Yoruba by proxy? Whats the wisdom in this?

A counterproductive exercise

Do you have some muslim countries where you do survey and finds out the meaning of a word that has been in circulation for centuries? Now, tell me how an ancient culture ignorant of her ethnonym is aware of her own history by this implication.

Were there people from the last two centuries who are "custodians of Yoruba history" living in "many muslim dominated countries"? If so, what preserve the name "Yoruba" in this folks' consciousness? Why this topic or its intellectual significance in the first instance?

What is the inspiration?

Discussions on nairaland led to "the project". Together, we have given purpose to a man and that is fulfillment on my part. But that's not all. A choice of "historical project" exposes the intellectual capabilities of the researcher. Therefore the phantom project is nairaland borne project.

So, one can actually find out the authoritative meaning of the name Yoruba from "Muslim dominated countries" but can't come across or find out the meaning of couple of Hebrew words in Yoruba domain. One idea is permissive but the other non-permisive.

Deception in Disguise

So, what's "the proof of limit" or otherwise on mobility of the early itinerary Yoruba? Why not travel around the world for the same purpose? A fake have predetermined results somewhere and may create buzz for whatever lies he's cooking.

How do you know this? It's always around the trending topics of interest that someone else chooses that a fake assumed as 'sacrosanct thesis' just because the other fellow could talk about it. So the psyche is that they (fakes) could talk about it "better".

You can get the ruse from there. Why dwell on another man's original idea either wrong or right? why not conceive your own original idea and thesis? That's being an intellectual-subset. There are thousands of topics that an original researcher could generate from his wealth of knowledge than squatting intellectually on tired topics that you can easily pick resources for on the internet.

That guy is not Yoruba.

Such is the type that remained as an amalgamated liar in Yoruba land over what he has no knowledge on but fume when people post information which he has no pinch of it . And I have find out that he is a breed that is angry over if someone has more advance knowledge than his false 500BC Yoruba ancestors occupied IIeife. Furthermore, he claimed Yoruba came out of Edo, yet he can't even defend against outsiders who are revisionists and lack on knowledge on ifaodu. You will read his post like someone who is vast in ifaodu verses yet he hardly mention anything on the Isheshe that he has being his focal point of defence line . Not to even see anything of him mentioning olifa/onifa for anything on information as regard migration a account on some of the odus. Ask him the Ose Isheshe that we are in this week ? You see him run from pillar to post

Instead, you will see him posting lies upon lies claiming his visitation to Muslims Africans countries with knowledge of the meaning of Yoruba in such countries,which is a big false. I mock him seriously over his claims of even being a historian in the first place .I wonder if this macof know if Ajami exist or he has seen it before ? Even the Muslims who brought anjemi/Ajami's knowledge met inscription which they don't understand before introduction of a a form of Ajami,which is a bit different from the Tira(Arabic), because of certain alphabets found jn Yoruba language. The Yoruba inscriptions found such visual human heads,Mud fish, crocodile having toad in it mouth, full human size, slab for ram slaughter, with ram visual head, inscription on walls of Eluorogbo ,pictograms,Opa Ogun, Opa oranmiyah; which represent established spot for conferring authority of kingship on Ooni,Alafin etc and oath taking of not attacking Ileife.

Like I said, even the amiable history Professor , Professor Akintoye acknowledged the written Hebrew language on the Opa oranmiyah but here we are with a pathological liar who claims being Yoruba but does not know anything about archeological research in Ileife that has gone beyond lips and bound. Sincerely, he has been bittered from the moment I suspected his dubious approach which made me not to revels the meaning of the inscription on opa oranmiyah,has made him more confused as ever.

Kindly Ask macof,which animal is represented as the mightiest in Yoruba culture and represent King's trumpet. Trust me he willl consult widely before he will know it, even if he will, which is well explicit in Yoruba culture . This is indeed the reason, I don't take him serious because, before you read a paragraph in his write up, his defence line is insult.


Cheers bro

Olu317:

...the ifaodu begun the knowledge of one formless God who dwell in Ora;...


.. English language is of Germanic origin and of Mediterranean,Roman-latin,etc loaned words

Thank you very much for your investigations, kindly dont allow our criticism hault your efforts, peace and power, bless up!


I will keep saying that"

Much of your evidence is good and accurate, however your argument needs to be from the perspective of the African.


As in, noone is trying to prove superiority over othet people but to ascertain certain aspecst of history for all that its worth.

Was our language one of those used to invent this hybrid language outside of our concent?

We've heard these commentary by other reputable historians, they claim that the Hebrew language was invented out of a combination of various African languages.

When i read it the firsr time, the evidence was scanty, my initia thoughts was that to suggest that Yoruba appears in a Semiticsic language is simply , reaching.

It wasnt until our exchange and the evidence you present that i gain some interest.

Plus, there's new information that seemingly puts the Yoruba in the Nile Valley.

I want you to approach this from a secular historical perspective, dont attempt to use your evidence to justify any foreign extremist religion.

You job is to identify the interpollation of the Hebrew language as it refers to Yoruba and not to attempt at proving who are Hebrew.


The few things to consider are

L) Yoruba isnt the only language that exist with the Hebrew language.

M) Hebrew language is of no importance to the African.

As in, in this context, make certain to show in your write up the fact that Yoruba is the dominant language in your presentation.

N) The seeming interpolation must've occurred in the 1800's and onwards.

Olu317:
You see, the propaganda of 500BC of existence of Yoruba at Ileife..

Learn to think, write and speak well of our people in all of our activities.

History is the most important aspects of legacy.

Know thyself, respect our ancestors.

Btw when refering to history we MUST move in unity, when determining our history its important to put ourselves in the correct context, the people of Nigeria, West Africa have been in existence for almost one million years, theres historical evidence dating back to 100,000 - 500,000 years ago.