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Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by OneJ: 11:57pm On Sep 23, 2018 |
Emusan: source : biblehub.com (nephesh) Definition a soul, living being,life, self,person, desire, passion ,appetite, emotion" Nephesh , soul means life. Therefore its stupidity to quarrel with NWT. The soul that sinneth shalt die but the soul justifieth righteous shall live. Christ pointed out that the soul can be destroyed, that's proof of mortality , block heads ! Where una see spirit being in the definition of soul (nephesh)? "The bread I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world" John 6:51. "for the son of man....give his life as a RANSOM for many" Mark 10:45 "the SACRIFICE of the body of Jesus Christ once for all Hebrew10:10. Ransom ". To redeem from captivity, bondage, etc by paying a demanded price" Sacrifice "Christ offering of himself " Source: dictionary.cambridge.org When u give offering today, shey U go collect am back by fire by force? What u give as sacrifice ( call am sow seed or any name u want, shey U done take am back? Una stupidity get PhD. , professorship. What did Christ voluntarily gave as ransom? His perfect life( soul,flesh). "Christ was put to death in the flesh but made alive (resurrected) in the spirit" "It is sown a natural (fleshly) body,it is raised a spiritual body... the first man Adam became a living being (living soul), the last Adam (Christ) a life giving spirit" 1 cor 15:44-47. He was resurrected with a spiritual body, with the power to materialize into human body (Luke 24:36-39) that is why his apostles couldnt recognize him . Angels did that too when they visited Lot ,Abraham etc. Lazarus was resurrected with same body he died with . He never sacrificed his life as a ransom for the sins of many, which Jesus did. Receive sense. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by MightySparrow: 4:37am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan: pls read Heb. 10: 1 - 10; John 6: 22 - 51 and explain. the discourse is getting interesting. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Emusan(m): 7:58am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Now see how you stylishly boycotted Matt 10:28 in your reply. Jesus said BODY can be kill BUT SOUL can't be kill... Isn't this enough great evident that SOUL is different from BODY? OneJ: Now you've said SOUL=LIFE even when it's obvious from the definition you gave...isn't this delusion? So if soul means LIFE then we can equally say SOUL means EMOTION, PASSION, desire... I didn't quarrel with NWT but stating the reason why NWT used LIFE instead of Soul... Life, Emotion, Passion can be POURED but a soul can't be poured according to your rejection of the personhood of the Holy Spirit. The soul that sinneth shalt die but the soul justifieth righteous shall live. Christ ONLY said the SOUL can be destroyed BY GOD only, He said people can kill the BODY but can't do the same to the SOUL. Why are you so dishonest with that verse? "The bread I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world" John 6:51. But you're the one who quote Psalms to prove that Jehovah didn't leave Jesus SOUL in the hell. So isn't SOUL supposed to be the ACUTAL PERSON again? That was why I asked, what did Jehovah do with Jesus body... the only thing you can do is to change SOUL to mean RAISED in spirit life. Yet you're still fighting tooth and nail that SOUL IS the Body. What did Christ voluntarily gave as ransom? His perfect life( soul,flesh). All you're doing here is putting you into more confusion. Your claim is SOUL is actually the PERSON now for you to explain away Jehovah not leaving Jesus SOUL in hell away, you change it to SPIRIT life... You're still perambulating, 1. Jesus has a body without anything that survived after death 2. This body went to the grave which means NOTHING exist about Jesus again (base on your logic) 3. Yet Jehovah resurrected the dead Jesus (remember nothing about Jesus exist again) 4. What then did Jehovah resurrect from Jesus Christ? Your claim here is perfectly fit into RECREATION not RESURRECTION which your organization also agreed with. So basically you people go against Scripture because Bible never teaches recreation. |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Emusan(m): 7:59am On Sep 24, 2018 |
MightySparrow: I should read, without knowing the point I want to derive from there... |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by MightySparrow: 10:45am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan:Taking heb. 10: 10 and john 6: 51 only seem not to go along with the trend, just an observation 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Emusan(m): 12:31pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
MightySparrow: You haven't said anything yet, what are those verses intended to proof |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by OneJ: 12:49pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan: 1) To quote U "Jesus said body can be kill but soul can't be kill" Christ pointed out " Be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul & body in hell". If Arsenal can not beat Man Utd but Chelsea beats Man Utd, does it mean that Man Utd is Unbeatable ? Receive sense.. Hebrew word for body 'quivah ' meaning living human (that is, a person, living being ) This is synonymous with nephesh (soul,person, living being). If a living being,a soul lives, likewise, dead being, a dead soul exists. Receive sense ! Why are U guys afraid of references to Hebrew & Greek? The answer is obvious. It's is the authentic means to expose your lies. 2) U said "If soul means life, then we can equally say soul means emotion,passion, desire" Yes. But in the context of Matt10:28, soul strictly means life, person, living being. For instance," Engaged" means busy or 'about to marry'. If someone asks "what's your marital status", but U being a married man replied 'i'm engaged' . It's way out of context. 3) U said" Jehovah didn't leave Jesus soul in hell". Don't get it twisted out of context. That statement means that " the person (the soul) we call Jesus was resurrected as a spirit being ("made alive in the spirit" by Jehovah God. 1 Pet 3:18. In other words, God brought Christ (resurrected him) back to existence with the body of a spirit (spiritual body like that of angels). 1 cor 15:44,-47. Receive sense.. 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Barristter07: 1:20pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Interesting comments so far, Have been busy lately . Gladly back 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Barristter07: 1:21pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
orisa37: Someone finally confessed he admit Jesus didn't die, only shed the earthly mould . see am 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Barristter07: 1:45pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan: You are very dishonest. The article didn't just talk about soul living in a body. It says the person is that soul. " every PERSON you have ever met is a Soul " !!! Living persons this is while they are alive not just dead . I will revisit the loopholes in your first response. Read the above again and again The other site states " YOU ARE A SOUL " , who is You ? Soul. It now adds " You have a body " Both emphasized that the Soul is the actually person . but having a body.
their Real intent has been exposed above , Yoi are Soul . just having a body
Just a body the Soul [ Jesus] lives in. ' You are a soul , You HAVE a body ' got question So clear .
No amount of dribbling can save you out of this . NWT footnote " OR SOUL " . Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors. " Isaiah 53:12 ESV , KJV too So Can you see his Soul have to die ? 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Barristter07: 2:05pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan: It's not an exagerration to say you are confused yourself . Am addressing the Red part , Biggest dishonesty ever exhibited. The Website refers to a living person as the Soul. Every PERSON you have ever met, Is a Soul While they are alive contrary to your claim. You later admit the Soul is the actual person , But added a Clause , after death . Gradually it would be exposed. The question regarding that phrase: part of a person is: If the Soul is just the part of a person ,For the person to be declared dead , Will the soul not die ? Is the person dead if the persons part is alive ?? REGARDING the clause. After death The same person that once have a body ? 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Emusan(m): 2:39pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
OneJ: This statement of yours is the one that buried your argument..."To quote U "Jesus said body can be kill but soul can't be kill" See your wack analogy, Arsenal and Man Utd. The statement of Jesus indicated that NO HUMAN CAN KILL the Soul even though they can kill the body but TO DESTROY the Soul, it's what ONLY GOD can do. Notice the interchange words KILL and DESTROY 2) U said "If soul means life, then we can equally say soul means emotion,passion, desire" Yes. So you mean Jesus didn't know what He was saying when He said "And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul;" It's very evident that Jesus sets the distinction between BODY AND SOUL in the verse but you twister twisted it to suit your lies. 3) U said" Jehovah didn't leave Jesus soul in hell". Don't get it twisted out of context. But the person (the soul) we call Jesus was no more IN THE GRAVE...what then did Jehovah resurrect? Nothing of the person we called Jesus was in the grave; >His body vanished >His soul was actually the body that vanished Then what was in the grave that Jehovah resurrected |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Emusan(m): 2:49pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Barristter07: I have shown how your. dishonesty is about those articles. Soul can't die What I mean by after death is...why the soul is still inside the body, the body expresses the IMAGE of the invincible soul inside after death the physical image is gone leaving the invincible image of the soul which can only be seen spiritually. |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Emusan(m): 3:07pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Barristter07: Your delusions are getting clearer. So the soul is the person but what of the body Can you see where your ignorance exposed? Without the body can you know the person of the soul on this earth? No amount of dribbling can save you out of this . NWT footnote " OR SOUL " . I can't stop laughing at you... So Jesus POURED his soul(body) to death, how can a person be poured? Like I said to your brother, one of the reasons why JWs rejected the personhood of the Holy Spirit is because they said Bible describes Holy Spirit as being POURED upon people. Then concluded a person cant be poured. But here you're trying to claim now that a person was POURED to death. The reason why the content of that scripture supported life than just ordinary BODY is because of the preceding statement POUR OUT...that's why even your NWT could use LIFE... |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by orisa37: 3:30pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Jesus did not commit suicide. He wasn't buried alife. He was killed dead and buried. He went down to Hell. Because He was God, Heaven was His Home and so He mustered Power, another Name for Christ(check the number) to resurrect to His Godsphere Heavenly Home. All Powers belong to God. He uses them The Way He values and at His Pleasures. |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Jozzy4: 6:27pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan: U have entered on chance, So you need to do that cover up Soul is Body ? If soul is body, do you now agree Soul die ? |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Jozzy4: 6:39pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan:Your Image is not You!!! Image definition: a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art. Barrister , don't waste energy with this man. He have captured himself The body is Just an ordinary Image/represetation of the invisible soul ( Which is the actual person). The Op question is: Is it the actual person ( Invisible Soul ) that died or ordinary representation ? |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by OneJ: 6:43pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Emusan: 1) U said the statement of Jesus indicated that NO HUMAN CAN KILL THE SOUL even though they can kill the body..." Destroy "End the existence of some thing.." Kill "put an end to something.." Source: dictionary.cambridge.org Your half baked knowledge is harmful to U & the society at large. 2) Verdict:"both body & soul" means the same thing. Your brain dey confuse U. 3) "..He exposed himself to death" NLT. "He poured out his life unto death" NIV "He willingly gave his life..." "..He willingly. submitted to death.." Source: biblehub (Isaiah 53:11,12). U are just grasping at straws. Christ " poured out" what he had - His perfect life he gave out voluntarily as a ransom sacrifice to redeem us. 4) "The body that is sown is perishable" (Christ died ,was buried & resurrected. Therefore, Christ ransom sacrificial death served it's purpose) . "It is sown a natural body ,it is raised a spiritual body, it is raised imperishable..... a life-giving spirit being. 1 Cor 15:42-45. No be your power dey do am., so relax. When Jehovah says something ,will HE not do it ? Num 23:19. Luke 1:37 U & your crew, una mumu done do. Because of their unbelief, them want to resist wetin God done do. Receive sense. |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Jozzy4: 6:49pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Face the issue Oga , Let me shock you. King James Bible And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. " Joshua 10:28 Didn't Joshua destroy souls ? U lack understanding. Did Jesus soul die or not ? @ Purple : Chairman, people died and their Bodies go to hell ? I need answer o . |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Jozzy4: 6:51pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Barristter07: Lolzzz you know those areas you quoted exposed them , they quickly ran to pick other phrases that they think can save them . Last last they confess their real belief . Did Jesus die or ordinary representation died ? Emusan , alBHAGDADI |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Jozzy4: 7:18pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
OneJ: Sensible . |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Jozzy4: 7:27pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Chai. alBHAGDADI: Made Alive in the spirit . simple as ABC 1 Pet 3:18 Meanwhile this thread discuss what actually dies .
In other words everybody will have everlasting life ?
U are wrong . What's goes on living ? The person ? Answer this and let's know if Jesus died or not ooooo
where is. The. Body and soul before ressurection? dis guy Lolzzzzzz
Everybody will have everlasting life ? Can u see your flaw |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by alBHAGDADI: 8:40pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
Jozzy4:Look at how happy you are thinking you have caught me in a tight corner. Didn't someone just showed you all that the Hebrew word for soul which is Nephesh means different things e.g soul, life etc? Now you quoted the below verse just to bust Mathew 10:28 which distinguished soul and body. King James Bible And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. " Joshua 10:28 According to you, since Joshua destroyed the souls of those mentioned, it means that was their end, no part of them went on living. Isn't that a contradiction if Jesus words below? Mathew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Jesus said mankind cannot destroy the soul, they can only destroy the body. It is only God that can destroy both body and soul. Are you now trying to say Joshua is God because the verse you quoted said he destroyed the soul of some people, soul which also means life and many other things? Can you now see your wrong? |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by sonmvayina(m): 9:01pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
OneJ: But the suffering servant in Isaiah is Israel... Why are you relating it to jesus? |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by OneJ: 9:30pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
sonmvayina: Pls pick up your Bible & read that entire chapter 53 of Isaiah. 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by OneJ: 10:11pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Hahahahahahaaaa . Destroy, (definition) "End the existence of some thing.." Kill, (definition) "put an end to something.." Both, adverb. ( definition) "Used before the first two alternatives to emphasize that the statement being made applies to each other (the other alternative being introduced by 'and'). For example "both body and soul" have the same meaning oooo... "What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet FORFEIT his SOUL?" Mark 8:36. Forfeit, definition "To LOSE the right to do or have some thing.." Source : dictionary.cambridge.org In Mark 8:36, that man who "forfeit his soul" , forfeits (lose) his life (he died). Jesus gives further proof that a soul dies. The soul is mortal , NOT immortal. Let the truth set U free. 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by sonmvayina(m): 11:00pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
OneJ:Yes I have, the narrative started from chapter 45, those where written in past tense, meaning they have happened when Isaiah was writing.. There is nothing to show that he is referring to a future event.. I might be wrong, please enlighten me. |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by sonmvayina(m): 11:03pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
OneJ:It says "he has born our iniquities and carried away our sorrows.. Meaning it has already happened.... What do think? |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by Jozzy4: 1:11am On Sep 25, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: See what , which wrong Oga address the verses . For your information, same Nephesh that Joshua destroyed is what Jesus is referring to. My question still there : is it Jesus that die or ordinary representation ? 1 Like |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by doubledx9ja(m): 3:20am On Sep 25, 2018 |
Barristter07: The underlined is true! Atleast from the verses below we can establish that the physical body houses the soul; 1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; John 2:19 "And Jesus answered them; "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by alBHAGDADI: 5:24am On Sep 25, 2018 |
Jozzy4: If it is the same nephesh, then you are implying that Joshua is God because Jesus said it is only God that can destroy the Nephesh, man can only destroy the body. That's the wrong. |
Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by alBHAGDADI: 5:41am On Sep 25, 2018 |
OneJ:Always trying to sound intelligent by quoting Greek and Hebrew words and also the dictionary. So if I say both you and your friend, it means you are your friend and your friend is you? As long as there is an and, there will always be a distinction. Body can be destroyed by man who cannot destroy the soul. Only can can destroy both. That verse in Mark 8 is speaking about gaining the world while still alive. When you sell your soul to Satan, you don't immediately die. You just go on living but denying Jesus and being a tool of Satan who can make you do horrible things. Those horrible things you must do because you are now his slave, and have no right over your life. Hence you have lost your soul/life all in a bid to save it. If you had read the verse from the proceeding one, you would have understood what Jesus was talking about. Mark 8:35-38 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. |
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