Jozzy4:


You that suppose to go and cover your eyes in shame. Cc: peacefullove , this guy hasn't respond to your question. That question sold you out instantly as a Liar.

The bible said Abraham entertained ANGELS, Where is your sense ? Oh Jesus is one of those angels .

Thank God, this is a forever reference on Nairaland

Jozzy4:


Open your eyes, don't you see altar ? Its the blood that is poured under the altar- Leviticus 17:11 . that verse represent their blood .

And for the voicing out - Didn't Abel's blood speak ? In what sense ? Grow up.

alBHAGDADI:
How do you expect me to respond to his post when he keeps dragging one back to old arguments already trashed on the thread? It seems he didn't read the thread from the beginning, he just jumped in at the end.
Didn't I explain that the second death is when both soul and body will be cast in hell?

alBHAGDADI:
Are you daft? Where in the below passage is it written that the beings entertained by Abraham were all angels?


Genesis 18:1-3
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
And said, My LORD , if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:


To show you that they were not all angels, and that one was God, read the below verse.

Revelations 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them . And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Can you see how the angel stopped apostle John from bowing before him? That's because angels are not to be worshipped.

But Abraham bowed before the men whom you say are angels. He even called one of them LORD. Are angels now lord as well?

If you continue reading the passage in Genesis, you will see that God was actually among them.

alBHAGDADI:


Are you jokes?

You mean you are passing the verse in Revelations for that found on Leviticus?

Revelations 6:9-10
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

The above speaks of souls crying out and speaking, while the below talks of animal sacrifice and it's blood. Or do animal blood speak?

Leviticus 17:11 King James Version (KJV)
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Jozzy4:





Forever reference on Naira land established already.

Genesis 18:8 said the men eat and drink, they were entertained.

Years later apostle Paul says concerning what happen at Genesis 18: " Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained ANGELS " Hebrew 13:2

All those entertained are angels .

Jozzy4:


Yoi are too daft . He exposed your stupidity and you still didnt see it.

You said they are in hell presently, according to Matthew 10:28 when it comes to hell, Body must be there . which means no one Is in your imaginary hell .

Jesus never said only imaginary soul go to hell. Je said soul and body. So when you replied that they are. In hell, he make you realize your wrong by pointing it out and asking that question you run away from

alBHAGDADI:
Why are you twisting what Paul said? Was Paul talking about the encounter Abraham had? You are being mischievous and it's wrong.

Paul was advising that we should give people hospitality, because we may never know when we will entertain angels. Is statement is in no way a claim that Abraham entertained angels . But according to you, because Paul advised we entertain people who might turn out to be angels, and because the men Abraham saw were entertained, it definitely means they were angels. That is wrong.

What you are saying in essence is that God cannot be entertained neither can he eat. You have created an impossibility for God.

Now that you understand your wrong, go back and see where I also showed you that angels aren't bowed before and called Lord.

alBHAGDADI:
Are you daft? Where in the below passage is it written that the beings entertained by Abraham were all angels?


Genesis 18:1-3
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
And said, My LORD , if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:


To show you that they were not all angels, and that one was God, read the below verse.

Revelations 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them . And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


Can you see how the angel stopped apostle John from bowing before him? That's because angels are not to be worshipped.

But Abraham bowed before the men whom you say are angels. He even called one of them LORD. Are angels now lord as well?

If you continue reading the passage in Genesis, you will see that God was actually among them.

alBHAGDADI:
Why are you twisting what Paul said? Was Paul talking about the encounter Abraham had? You are being mischievous and it's wrong.

Paul was advising that we should give people hospitality, because we may never know when we will entertain angels. Is statement is in no way a claim that Abraham entertained angels. But according to you, because Paul advised we entertain people who might turn out to be angels, and because the men Abraham saw were entertained, it definitely means they were angels. That is wrong.

What you are saying in essence is that God cannot be entertained neither can he eat. You have created an impossibility for God.

Now that you understand your wrong, go back and see where I also showed you that angels aren't bowed before and called Lord .

alBHAGDADI:
How do you expect me to respond to his post when he keeps dragging one back to old arguments already trashed on the thread? It seems he didn't read the thread from the beginning, he just jumped in at the end.
Didn't I explain that the second death is when both soul and body will be cast in hell?

Peacefullove:




U won't cease to amaze me.
19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. Genesis 19 vs 1.

They are bowed down to , are they angels or not ?

Peacefullove:


Smiles, I don't know what to tell you .
Hell itself will be destroyed in the second death says your bible at Revelation 20 vs 14 , how can body and soul b cast there again ?

This is why I said your analogy is a joke.

My question still stands

Jozzy4:


Always read your Bible well,

Genesis 18:16 said the men get up and leave FOR SODOM

Genesis 19:1 their identity was revealed as ANGELS , it says " the two angels arrived at Sodom by evening "

But they were in form of men. Genesis 19:4,5

Grow up

alBHAGDADI:
Don't you gewron


Bowing can be a form of greeting or showing respect. But when it is accompanied with Worship and calling the person LORD, then it is means the person is God or taken to be.


Is that not what Abraham did below? The Bible even said "And the Lord appeared unto him".

Genesis 18:1-3
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
And said, My LORD , if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:


You guys say they were three angels who just appeared to Abraham like men. How come he referred to one of them as LORD and not lordS like Lot did when two angels appeared to him?

Genesis 19:1-2
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.



Let me quote the entire chapter for you right from your Jehovah's witnesses NWT Bible which shows you that Jehovah was among the me. whom you say were all angels.


Genesis 18:1-33

18 Afterward Jehovah appeared to him among the big trees of Mamʹre, while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent about the heat of the day. When he raised his eyes, then he looked and there three men were standing some distance from him. When he caught sight of them he began running to meet them from the entrance of the tent and proceeded to bow down to the earth. Then he said: “Jehovah, if, now, I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant. Let a little water be taken, please, and YOU must have YOUR
feet washed. Then recline under the tree. And let me get a piece of bread, and refresh YOUR hearts. Following that, YOU can pass on, because that is why
YOU have passed this way to YOUR
servant.” At this they said: “All right. You may do just as you have spoken.”
So Abraham went hurrying to the tent to Sarah and said: “Hurry! Get three seah measures of fine flour, knead the dough and make round cakes.” Next Abraham ran to the herd and proceeded to get a tender and good young bull and to give it to the attendant, and he went hurrying to get it ready. He then took butter and milk and the young bull that he had got ready and set it before them. Then he himself kept standing by them under the tree as they were eating.
They now said to him: “Where is Sarah your wife?” To this he said: “Here in the tent!” So he continued: “I am surely going to return to you next year at this time, and, look! Sarah your wife will have a son.” Now Sarah was listening at the tent entrance, and it was behind the man. And Abraham and Sarah were old, being advanced in years.
Sarah had stopped having menstruation. Hence Sarah began to laugh inside herself, saying: “After I am worn out, shall I really have pleasure, my lord being old besides?” Then Jehovah said to Abraham: “Why was it that Sarah laughed, saying, ‘Shall I really and truly give birth although I have become old?’ Is anything too extraordinary for Jehovah? At the appointed time I shall return to you, next year at this time, and Sarah will have a son.” But Sarah began to deny it, saying: “I did not laugh!” For she was afraid. At this he said: “No! but you did laugh.”
Later the men got up from there and looked down toward Sodʹom, and Abraham was walking with them to escort them. And Jehovah said: “Am I keeping covered from Abraham what I am doing? Why, Abraham is surely going to become a nation great and mighty, and all the nations of the earth must bless themselves by means of him. For I have become acquainted with him in order that he may command his sons and his household after him so that they shall keep Jehovah’s way to do righteousness and judgment; in order that Jehovah may certainly bring upon Abraham what he has spoken about him.”
Consequently Jehovah said: “The cry of complaint about Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah, yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy. I am quite determined to go down that I may see whether they act altogether according to the outcry over it that has come to me, and, if not, I can get to know it.”
At this point the men turned from there and got on their way to Sodʹom; but as for Jehovah, he was still standing before Abraham. Then Abraham approached and began to say: “Will you really sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are fifty righteous men in the midst of the city. Will you, then, sweep them away and not pardon the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are inside it? It is unthinkable of you that you are acting in this manner to put to death the righteous man with the wicked one so that it has to occur with the righteous man as it does with the wicked! It is unthinkable of you. Is the Judge of all the earth not going to do what is right?” Then Jehovah said: “If I shall find in Sodʹom fifty righteous men in the midst of the city I will pardon the whole place on their account.” But Abraham went on to answer and say: “Please, here I have taken upon myself to speak to Jehovah, whereas I am dust and ashes.
Suppose the fifty righteous should be lacking five. Will you for the five bring the whole city to ruin?” To this he said: “I shall not bring it to ruin if I find there forty-five.”
But yet again he spoke further to him and said: “Suppose forty are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not do it on account of the forty.” But he continued: “May Jehovah, please, not grow hot with anger, but let me go on speaking: Suppose thirty are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not do it if I find thirty there.” But he continued on: “Please, here I have taken upon myself to speak to Jehovah: Suppose twenty are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not bring it to ruin on account of the twenty.” Finally he said: “May Jehovah, please, not grow hot with anger, but let me speak just this once:
Suppose ten are found there.” In turn he said: “I shall not bring it to ruin on account of the ten.” Then Jehovah went his way when he had finished speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place.

alBHAGDADI:
Hell fire is different from Lake of fire. Hell fire is where the wicked are pending judgment.

Their soul is there while their body is decayed.

But after the resurrection of the wicked and the righteous, the wicked will now be thrown both body and soul into the lake of fire alongside Satan. They will be tormented day and night, and will never have any rest. That is the second death which doesn't mean they will seize to exist.

Revelations 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelations 20:10

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelations 21:18

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelations 14:9-11

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Peacefullove:


^^^

Don't be an idiot

Eat your words and swallow your pride. You first said angels are not bowed before and called Lord , and you are proved wrong

LOT bow to angels and call them My Lords - Genesis 19 vs 2 . the men are angels ,so that prove all those entertained by Abraham are angels.

Peacefullove:


^^
And how does this answer me. So is Jesus not talking about hell fire at Matt 10 vs 28 ?


Reply my question above to verify the authenticity of thia careless statement.



^^^

By now you should understand you can't just muddle up matters for me. Did Jesus mention hell or lake of fire at Matt 10 vs 28 ?

alBHAGDADI:
Maybe if you stop using laughter emoji, you will be able to see clearly.

How many men arrived at Sodom? You said Two. How many men showed up before Abraham? They were Three men. Scroll up and see the whole chapter quoted from your NWT which shows that two out of the three left Abraham and went to Sodom. The only one that remained with Abraham was Jehovah and had been identified as Jehovah right from when Abraham saw him and the two angels whom appeared to him like men.

Playing scroll up.

Barristter07:
https://www.compellingtruth.org/amp/human-soul.html says about Soul

"The human soul is eternal and imperishable, and every human soul will be somewhere for eternity. This is a sobering thought— every person you have ever met is a soul, living in a body, and that soul will last forever. "


Gotquestion, another popular website says regarding the soul



" The human soul is central to the personhood of a human being. As George MacDonald said, “You don’t have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.”

https://www.gotquestions.org/amp/human-soul.html

From the definitions above, The human soul is the Person . as compelling truth analyses You are only " living in a body "

Using this context for this discussion:

We have established that the Person is the soul , the Body is an ordinary home of that Person [ Soul ] , therefore the body Is not the person just the home where the Soul [Person ] lives

If the above postulations are Correct, Can you prove that the person called Jesus Died for your sins ? Or ordinary body ?

Cc : AlBHAGDADI , vocnewsblog , suregallove , Emusan , premiumwriter , OneJ , Tatime , dreality , charliboy654 , firebomber , Truthhurts100 , Jesse01

alBHAGDADI:
Maybe if you stop using laughter emoji, you will be able to see clearly.

How many men arrived at Sodom? You said Two. How many men showed up before Abraham? They were Three men. Scroll up and see the whole chapter quoted from your NWT which shows that two out of the three left Abraham and went to Sodom. The only one that remained with Abraham was Jehovah and had been identified as Jehovah right from when Abraham saw him and the two angels whom appeared to him like men.

Playing scroll up.

alBHAGDADI:


Both body and soul will be cast into hell fire which will then be thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelations 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Jozzy4:


See your life

You at first saying they are not Angels, now you finally agree they are angels who appeared as men . so why do you now attacked my first post ? Ignorance , I guess

God is not a man and cannot be seen, all three men are angels . one specifically represented Jehovah like peacefullove already said. You can check the incidence at the burning Bush where though an angel appeared to Moses, he was addressed as Jehovah.

Peacefullove:


They all are Angel's. One bear the name of Yahweh ( an Angel speak to Moses at the burning bush but called Yahweh ) .

The highlighted got me laughing, Says someone who at first denied they are not angels. You have been very inconsistent, from angels cannot be bow to muddling up hell.

bloodofthelamb:


So angels can be called by the sacred name of Jehovah. This is new

bloodofthelamb:
Jozzy4, the incident at the burning bush. The angel address himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Dont you think, that it is a bit too much for a created angel to claim? Is it not a blasphemy for a created angel to claim such?

Jozzy4:


See your life

You at first saying they are not Angels, now you finally agree they are angels who appeared as men . so why do you now attacked my first post ? Ignorance , I guess

God is not a man and cannot be seen, all three men are angels . one specifically represented Jehovah like peacefullove already said. You can check the incidence at the burning Bush where though an angel appeared to Moses, he was addressed as Jehovah.