₦airaland Forum

imhotep:
Which sin is greater?

- Fathering a son?
- Declaring war (bellum sacrum -> holy war) on the M'uslims?
- Deleting 7 books from the Catholic bible?

1. Fathering a son while pretending to be celibate is hypocrisy which is sin.
2. No one declared a war on mus'lims, welcome to the world of propaganda as a tool for jihad.
3. Christ will not judge you based on how many books of the bible you read . . . rather you are judged based on your faithfulness to the little committed to you. How many books of the torah did poor lazarus read?

i feel sorry for Man U fans.

imhotep:
The corruption of the bible started with him. And you follow him blindly? Why?

there is no corruption of the bible. It exists in the minds of the adherents of the world's 2 largest cults of hell.

imhotep:
Is this why you are hell bent on dividing the RCC? A biblical misquote?

The judgement of the LovePeddler (RCC) is outlined in Revelations, i'm not bothered about dividing it.

imhotep:
Once again, you gotta live with this. Notice that M'uslims and Catholics hate the gross disorder that protestants are known for.

What mu'slims and catholics truely hate is not "gross disorder" but the very truth of Christ revealed.

Catholics it was who first tried to destroy the Jews, mu'slims have only recently taken over that task.

imhotep:
Martin Luther is not Lazarus. And I find it hypocritical that people will follow a man who deleted 7 books from the bible and attempted to remove the book of James, Hebrews etc etc. Cherry-picking christianity.

you must be thoroughly deluded to think that christianity outside the RCC originated from Martin Luther only.

imhotep:
You still got to live with it. Christ did not also promise to send 33,000 bickering sects that cannot agree on anything. He prayed for the unity of His followers.

you're just quoting anything like a man grasping at straws. Christ also said He came to send a sword on the earth . . . did you miss that one in ur misguided quest for unity?
The unity Christ prayed for was a unity of mind ROOTED in the scriptures and focused on the heavenly calling not in the traditions of men.

imhotep:
MCUsman was not castigating anybody in that thread. He was just repeating a widely publicized news item here.

ur brother in blasphemy.

imhotep:
Is this an attack of insecurity? At least the M'uslims don't modify the Kor@n to suite their fancies, like Martin Luther and his followers.

no wonder mu'slims love catholics. Birds of the same feather using the same accusations to seal their doom.

4 Play:
Na jealousy go kill una.Where is your team? They are watching on TV,just like you and I.

Carry una jealousy go attack Wenger.

you'll join us on the sidelines by next week. take heart.

Uche2nna:
Unless You want to argue that growth factors are also antigens .

The cell's response to antigen binding is uaually production of antibodies and for the most part , antigens are seen as foreign to the body.

thank you o jare. This almondjoy sef . . .

almondjoy:
Oooooooooooooooooooooooh!  I knew you were going to fall for that cheap Hormonal stunt!  Are you also a Wikepedia graduate?

Why would the west want to kill us when we do a better job killing ourselves?  You think they are that jobless?  Only ignoramuses in Nigeria will dream up such crap!

I don't google anything, i have an immunology textbook right here (janeway and travers).

Are you also going to argue that hormones are antigens?   no go there at all. stunt ko, play ni.

why is it so deathly quiet here?

almondjoy:
I hope 4 Him will realize this and channel the blame to the right sources.

we should now blame the west?

almondjoy:
It it were you. . .would you submit your rump to some health care official in Nigeria to vaccinate you against all living things in Nigeria? Not in ma dreams I swear. Na only God deey save that country. I say I don't blame some of the Northerners and southerners who refused. If you fall victim to those suspicious "liquids". . . No hospitals within 2 interstate lines to even say your last prayers ooooooooooooooooh!

Go to private hospitals in Lagos or Abuja, they do stock western vaccines though very expensive.
I did the MMR there and there was no problem.
I have taken one at the UNICEF office in my hometown too and there were no problems.

Not everything in Nigeria is bad o.

almondjoy:
When your government in Nigeria uses the money from its sale of oil to educate the citizenry to the point they are not superstitious at even the Pope's visit to Africa!  Special education?  None needed.  Just basic education about the dangers of tribalism and sectionalism!

even if you prepared the vaccine in their kitchen these people have imbibed a destructive "the west is out to kill us" mentality that is inimical to growth.

almondjoy:
I am not arguing with the facts you have all there.  I just wanted you to know that vaccinces are medications or drugs designed to do a specific job. . . boost the immunity system. . . not cure a disease.   What other medications are antigens? Try hormonal drugs ok?

Hormone replacement drugs are not antigens . . . hormones are ligands that bind to mostly nuclear hormone receptors i.e. oestrogen binds to the ER.  

Imani:
On behalf of most gunners, good luck to Man United, at least for once . [s]although personally, i am supporting our former igwe[/s]

dont count me among those sell out gunners, good luck to Barcelona.

For almond's reading _{and learning} pleasure:

Vaccination is the administration of antigenic material (the Vaccine) to produce immunity to a disease. Vaccines can prevent or ameliorate the effects of infection by a pathogen. It is considered to be the most effective and cost-effective method of preventing infectious diseases. The material administrated can either be live, but weakened forms of pathogens such as bacteria or viruses, killed or inactivated forms of these pathogens, or purified material such as proteins.

Now ma'am, what other medications are antigens?
Are your own tylenol tablets weakened forms of a pathogen?

almondjoy:
You are going into pharmaco-kinetics.  You said vaccines are not drugs and that was what alerted me.  I am not confused.  Medications do different things other than treat illness.  Which school you go sef?  Please stop disgracing me!

there is absolutely nothing pharmaco-kinetic there because you're not measuring drug dose or anything of that nature.

A vaccine is not considered a medication in the same group as your over the counter drugs. Finito!

almondjoy:
You are missing the point. . . you need to look at the Nigerian environment and what is responsible for all this nonsense. I am not saying people should boycott the vaccination excercises. . .I would not blame them if they do. People are suspicious and if you do not educate them and reassure them that you can be trusted. . .I don't think they would let you inject them with eternal life!!!!!

For how long are we going to blame the government for the failures of a certain section of the country?
What sort of special education do they need that has not been done already?

If people are suspicious it is not because they have adequate proof . . . it is simply out of sheer ignorance.

almondjoy:
Sorry, the last time I checked. . . vaccinations are drugs/medication used to boost the immunity system. . .ma area of specialty remember?   I know I am an olodo to you so let me give you proof!

Go and google it!

You're probably confused: here is what you googled - Vaccines are medications that are designed to stimulate the body's immune system to generate a response that will protect the individual from disease by the pathogen in question.

Here is what i wrote - a vaccine DOES NOT treat a disease but sensitizes the immune system to recognise a specific antigen. Immune memory from vaccines last a lifetime.

What is the difference between the two?

A vaccine is not a medication in that it is not the same thing as taking panadol for a headache. panadol does not generate an immune response to a specific antigen. A vaccine, unlike a drug/medication which are mostly ligands for cellular receptors, is a weakened version of an antigen that is recognised by T-cells which then induce lasting memory B-cells to generate an immediate immune response when next they come across that particular antigen.

almondjoy:
If something like this happened in your village, would you not boycott anything else?

Madam, you dont boycott vaccines because of failed drug trials . . . like someone suggested, what was the alternative that the northern governments provided beyond continuing to be the reservoir of the world's cases of the polio virus?

almondjoy:
Don't jubiliate just yet. We are yet to confirm that those drugs would prevent polio in the future or if it an act of "God's " infinite mercy as usual!

haba, polio affects mainly children.
If it were just a case of "God's mercies" then why hasnt that mercy been extended up north?

Again, pls note . . . these are VACCINES not DRUGS . . . there is a huge difference between the two.
A drug treats a disease, a vaccine DOES NOT treat a disease but sensitizes the immune system to recognise a specific antigen. Immune memory from vaccines last a lifetime. That is why you dont get chicken pox twice.

Uche2nna:
@ 4HIM
Yar Adua shld go and find the crashed Beechcraft plane first. We like putting the cart before the horse.

Actually, both are not mutually exclusive. Who says he can't do both?

my point is we cant be chasing after BA when our own aviation industry is a disgrace.
We need to learn to prioritize, most airlines who patronise the Lagos route know we have no other choice since we cant even maintain a proper national carrier so why do we complain when they treat us badly?

Yar Adua's problems far outweight complaining about Nigerians being kicked out of aircraft for disturbing the peace. We should start by making sure we provide our citizens with an equally better alternative.

Kobojunkie:
I think you misunderstand her point. Remember how some years ago, it turned out that there were some stores selling PHENSIC, which turned out to be nothing more than chalk molded to look like the drug?? LMAO!!!

Again no excuse. Southern children are taking the same vaccines, when last did you hear of a polio case in the south?

almondjoy:
Fine! The children who took the vaccines are still alive. . .but that is the chance you take when you have a government and health care system you cannot trust!

When those medications get to Nigeria. . . the next thing you know some traders have hijacked the containers and rediluted the medications.

- Even you cannot 100% trust the American healthcare system. Try watching mystery diagnosis on the discovery channel. you'd be shocked at the large number of simple cases that often go misdiagnosed, and those are the few who are lucky enough to live long enough to get a correct diagnosis.
Life is all about chance, if we've been using the same vaccine for yrs without serious complications then i see no reason why the north shld reject them.

- The likelihood that a trader will hijack containers of vaccines imported by the health ministry is nill. These vaccines are usually opened in the presence of the person to be vaccinated, at least that has been my experience so far.

almondjoy:
We are saying the same thing. . . we are wicked to ourselves! Even in the bloody south of Nigeria. . . I happened to be in Nigeria at that time. . . most of the people did not welcome the health officials in. Can you blame them? When you do not know what kind of mixture is in the vial or if they were manufactured in India.

It is not a matter of ignorance. . . we know the facts. . . our people are wicked even to themselves!

That is not a valid excuse. Southern children are taking the same vaccine, there are no reports of poisoning.
Why would the government import vaccines that will do more harm to children?

What if the vaccine is manufactured in India?
1. Western countries have no further incentive to manufacture the vaccines . . . they dont have polio anymore and any stock they have left is to prevent reinfection from irresponsible nations like ours.
2. Why cant we make our own vaccines? We have no right to complain about mixtures in a vial when we cant even manufacture ordinary toothpicks.

his_grace:
In America - a plane went missing last year - with a billionaire as the single occupant and the pilot - till today - the plane has never been found - the American people didnt call down on their president to go and find it out - what a this-respect - but in Nigeria - a plane goes missing and Nigerians use it as another opportunity to rain down brimstone and fire on the country and on the President - as if it hasnt happened anywhere else?

The said plane that went missing in America late last year is still missing till today - I bet America is as backward as it becomes so difficult for them to find a missing plane.
Read the missing plane story here - fools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Steve_Fossett

You're missing the big picture here. When America cant find a plane its because something extra-ordinary must have happened, when Nigeria cant find a plane its 100% down to inefficiency.

Steve Fosset's was a private aircraft, he didnt have to report coordinates to anyone.
The Beechcraft plane was flying to pick up a whole state Governor!!! what if the governor was onboard when it vanished?

How many large Jet aricraft have crashed in Nigeria and its taken us days to find it? Over 100 soldiers perished in the Ejigbo disaster, it took us days to find the plane . . .

almondjoy, you are largely ignorant on this issue.
The fault is not that of the health ministry, infact i vividly remember two occassions when the entire country was forced to sit at home so that health officials could vaccinate every child . . . what did the northern governors do? They sent away the health officials.
What do you expect Grange to do? Force the vaccine down the throats of unwilling, ignorant, illiterates?

It is not about whether we have money or not, polio is largely eradicated in the south . . . that it is still rampant in the north is indicative that those people are just resistant to development.

Yar Adua shld go and find the crashed Beechcraft plane first. We like putting the cart before the horse.

imhotep:
God's word from which Martin Luther deleted 7 books.

that is up to God to judge Martin Luther for. God wont judge you based on how large or how complete your bible was but on your faithfulness in the little that was committed to you. Lazarus probably couldnt afford a torah but found his way to the bossom of Abraham.

imhotep:
Stop mis-interpreting the book of revelations. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth. Live with it.

Its not a matter of telling me to "live with it" . . . its not something that bothers me at all. Christ said He would send the comforter not a vicar. Live with your own heresy.

MC Usman:
The Pope is the most popular religious figure on earth, he may not be as popular as his predecessor and again he started on a wrong step he however, regain his composure. I respect him, because i have esteemed respect for the catholic church, i see catholics as the real Christan. They have unlike other westicoted denominations (Potestants & co ) resisted influence of western ideology into their religion. They (the catholics) are the front runners in voicing out against Gay & Homosexuality, Abortion and other westicoted ideals that are gradually been incorporated into Christianity.

this is the mind of a decietful liar. Where you not the one who opened a thread using gay priests to castigate christianity? Now those same priests are who you regard as the "real christians"?

I'll tell you why your have "esteemed respect" for the catholic church - its not because they are "real christians" but because their idolatry and heresy is the closest to legitimising Is'lam.
The popes kiss the qu'ran and bow down to idols in ur mosque, that is why you hypocrites pretend to "deeply respect" them.

~Lady~:
So you know his destiny? You're almighty God abi?
Why don't you go and find out if they are going to hell and then warn us ehn.

I'm not God, but His word which you pretend to carry everyday is CLEAR.
The doom of the pope and his heretical organisation is written into the book of revelations.

be disciplined, leave your friend's girl alone and find yours. Why are you constantly hanging out with her?

nairaland women, denial shld be their surname.

justcool:
If you read this carefully, you will notice that everything on red has one theme, which is "Have none other Gods but me."
Making images and worshiping them is the same as having another God. Therefore, the expression:
" Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
is only a continuation or an elaboration of the first commandment.

This is the problem with your simplification . . . taking "have none other God's but me" without the CAREFULLY ELABORATED EXPLANATION is a subtle way of making that commandment open to several false interpretations.
Everything written in the word of God is for a specific purpose and not merely as an elaboration of another.

Look at the part you people are quick to dismiss . . . it is pregnant with meaning.

" Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

This clearly makes the worship of statues of Mary, the veneration of dead "saints" andthe worship of the crucifix unbiblical. It would also be clear to those who are not spiritually blind that to make any mortal man VICARIUS FILLI DEI (the likeness of Christ on earth) is blasphemy. You would never be able to understand this if you simply looked at "have none other God's but me".

dodo fit kill some people

Lindiwe:
I totally agree with you,
Pope Benedict (XVI) is indeed a figure of Christ on earth, May the Holy Trinity Father, Son and Holy Spirit continue to guide and guard him as he leads God's people

Long live the Pope!!!

It is this blasphemy that will haunt all popes in hell fire where their real father is waiting with open arms.