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OLAADEGBU:
According to your so called "biblical dating" how long was it between God creating 'heaven and earth' and God creating Adam?

This is not known only speculations.
But generations from Adam to Jesus is given in detail.

The calculations I posted in the excerpts is enough in showing that the world is young, there's no need in confusing yourself with fallible man's ideologies.

I have shown you why that calculation does not make sense. What's your issue?
Okay, can you defend the excerpts? Let me check if you even understand what they said.

OLAADEGBU:
You have chosen to believe the evolutionist's timeline which I do not subscribe to.

For goodness sake i didn't use scientific timeline, i used biblical dating the dating of events solely as described from the bible or are you just turning a blind eye towards this.

Your world is 6000 years old right? use your bible and calculate generations up to the time of noah that's about 2500bc and the time of Moses 1400bc, these are deductions solely from the bible. So what are you saying?

dhtml118:
send me a pm and i will see what i can do about it. even me sef, i am on africoderz and here at the same time.
I and one of the Nairaland are very busy working on the next set of upgrades, we are trying to match up to expectation of users.

PM sent.
Maybe i'll start a tutorial or something on africoderz.

wirinet:
What do you mean she is really challenged healthwise and financially? Is there any of us that is not challenged healthwise and financially? How does her being challenged healthwise and financially affect our business transaction? She bought goods worth N300,000 and sold to make a profit. She did not deem it necessary to remit a single naira for the birds she sold. After hiding and remaining incommunicado, without pledging when and how she would pay her debt, she is now giving the challenged healthwise excuse after being threatened with police.

I have been doing business for over 20 years and have been told all sorts. Being challenged healthwise is the most common excuse debtors give for not paying their debts, others are close relatives falling sick or even death of their great grand mother. All these are not valid excuses to renege on your debt obligations.

Are you aware that the refusal of the woman to pay for the goods collected can lead to health-wise and financial challenges for the OP? Do you know if he borrowed the money and has to pay interest on it?

It is still people with your sentimental attitude to business that would still castigate banks for refusing to lend money to small businesses.

Hmm, deep.
Lesson learnt.

dhtml118:
*laffing*

By the way, it's not funny that someone took my username sha.
I should have edited that long ago; signing up with gmail took my real name and i didn't pay attention to this on time.

Any help.

Na wa oo, DanieltheGeek of all people is out.
Damn, well i'm in africoderz, but will still stay here cos i'm active in other sections.

@Gift: i thought the gift was money or special module sef, which kain gift be this one.

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OLAADEGBU:
I can see that you've conveniently evaded the link I suggested that shows the calculation that proves that the earth is young neither do you acknowledge the authority of the Words of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the benefit of those who are sincerely seeking for the truth I'll post the remaining part of the article I posted, which you chose not to study as well as more quotes from Jesus that proves that He was a Young Earth Creationist.

For goodness sake, what don't you understand.

If we start doubling the population from 2500bc starting from 8 every 150 years.
It means after 1050 years that is 6 doubling the population of the world would be (((((8*2)*2)*2)*2)*2)*2) = 512 population.
This period(after 1050 years) is 1450bc this was the time the Israelites were allegedly in Egypt as slaves, so this calculation does not make sense. Even if you double it every 40 years it still wouldn't add up.

Think my friend, there is nothing wrong in discarding a belief when you see it doesn't make sense. I'm not convincing you to leave Christianity for now, but saying 8 people produced a world of 6 billion in 4000 years does not make sense.

wirinet:
She had not shown any indication she was ready to pay, so if she is given all the time in the world without any threat of police or legal action, she will not pay.

I have been in this sort of situation numerous times in the past and I knew what it took to collect my money.

In the event when you find out that she really is challenged health-wise and financially, and attempting to garner the money in a short period of time would really affect her, what would you do?

@mrjojo
I wonder what led to that credit transaction in the first part, is she a regular credible customer or a first time customer?
If you sold on credit without a fixed arrangement to a first time customer, then that's messed up, but if she is a regular customer then i think you should talk to her to access her situation and see if you can spare her some time (that's if she has past credibility and is really sick). - Just my thought

mrjojo:
Update: Contacted a police officer to follow me to the woman's shop, She wasn't there. The police officer had coerce her house address form her shop neighbor. We got to her house, and I met her. She started crying and begging, I actually pity her. She said she has been sick and no money to even go to the hospital or buy drugs. I just her house, she promised to call tomorrow to fix a certain date she going to pay. I really don't know what else to do, I can't deal with an elderly woman crying and begging me.

Cc: Wirinet KingEbukasBlog Bibi294 greatface.

I'm in.

Just30:
what you were talking about
we have excess capacity
Now we have to decommission some plants

Oh, you're a Ghanian.
My emphasis was not on your current state.
But what do you mean by "excess capacity"?

greatface:
Yes I used lobbying to mean he has to keep his reputation and contracts going smothly else once terminated, he becomes irrelivant. Ibeto Group could be a good example.

But those politicians may have a different fate. IBB as an example.

Okay

By the way, you're awake aroud 3:00AM. That confirms you're a full blown programmer

Lol, apparently so are you.

greatface:
I doubt Dangote will make it to first 10 richest if our politicians assets and bank+cash balance are correctly calculated.

Might be true though.

Can you guess why he lobbies around every new ruling government?

Lobbies?
He has an established reputation already.

I Do Hope We Grow Better.

Amen to that.
Change starts with us.

Just30:
sorry but it's not an issuin Ghana any longer

What is no longer an issue?

LordeCalifornia:
Nice!
Okay, you believe that our major problem lies solely in generating power. Going by your analysis, if we can build more generating plants, and of course, power them, then we would finally have constant power.
But If that is the case, then I don't think we should really be suffering as we're suffering right now. Because, we sure have the financial resources to build as many coal powered plants as we want to.
And talking about refining coal, I don't think the process of refining coal is as complex as that of petroleum. In fact, Coal refining should be as easy as ABC(exaggeration) because you don't need it in fractions, the coal you mine is almost basically the coal you burn, all that is needed is the removal of minor impurities.
I really find it difficult to believe that out problem lies in power generation. Because if it is, then, like I've written above, the ministry of power would have recommended the construction of multiple coal plants. If people could loot sum of monies as huge as $9m, $43m, $1.7b easily without trace, then you should know we have so much in our national purse to fund coal powered plants.

Except maybe we are considering the effects of global warming as a reason for not investing in coal powered power plants

First of all my post indicated that the problem of the power sector lies in financial/management resources not power generation per se.

If our financial resources were allocated to politicians' bank accounts then power infrastructural needs become an issue.
My point was that if the power sector was well funded we wont be having these issues, and that the current state of the economy is too weak to make this financial decision.

As simple as you describe coal refining, we have NONE in Nigeria because "financial resources" were not adequately going towards this sector after how many years of discovering coal in the east.
Though i read early this year that Milhouse is planning to work on that and the investment was $100m.

According to the Kemi Adeosun in a conference in lagos(theplatform), upto 90% of federal government's expenditure were recurrent and the remaining was on capital expenditure(that were not even taking seriously sef).
This made the possibility of funding projects like this thwarted.
And even if they is a willingness now, the financial resources are currently limited and the borrowings we've made have been majorly towards other capital projects.

What i'm saying is there is/was no cash going towards that sector, this is the cause of the state of our power sector...
More so, i can remember a news when it was reported that Nigerians pay one of the lowest on electricity bill across Africa - just saying.

greatface:
To me I believe it won't cost any of our former presidents or heads of state an average rich man life to give Nigerians constant power.

But who could be so willing to enrich lives as much?

I doubt any of their wealth can sustain constant power supply for a country like Nigeria for even 5 years(including Dangote).
But hopefully the country grows better.

LordeCalifornia:
Which resources in particular?

Financial and managerial resources.
At the moment, our minister of finance is pitching to borrow for various projects.
The cost(including labor and operating costs) of maintaining/building power plants accross the country isn't cheap.
The US generate about 30% of her electricity from coal last time i read, sure we have coal in nigeria but there are no available refineries to take advantage of that.

We might have had opportunities to deal with this when we were financially stable but at the moment we can't.

I read about a proposed nuclear power plant deal with russia that's also a massive not only financially but can we manage/sustain that?

Some compare us to ghana, but i doubt the power generation in ghana can be fit for lagos, and moreso we experienced their inability to financially sustain that, when Nigeria revealed that ghana owed her about 33billion naira in gas supplies.

Power generation is an issue accross africa not just Nigeria though some countries are better than others and the challenge is Money and proper management.

greatface:
Yes.

Because of the citizen's orientation. In Nigeria, your yard mate can secretly damage power installation simply because you are watching dstv while he can't afford ordinary manual TV stand antena or because you have deep freezer while he can't afford #1500 electric iron

Lol, na wa o.
But i think at the moment we don't have the resources for constant power supply.

johnkey:
no boss

http://www.buyadog.com.ng/product/yorkshire-terrier/
Though i didn't verify it sha.

This can help too, Richard Dawkins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwew5gHoh3E

Chongaiman:
There is power. The hitch is that Power Holding is leaving up to its name.

Very funny.

OLAADEGBU:
The Bible did not record the age of the earth to be 6000 years old because if it did it will have to update it on a regular basis.

You're very funny sha.

The 6000 years inference was calculated from Adam's generation through seth, abraham, moses, daniel, Jesus and finally our generation.
And the maximum value from various calculations by scholars is 10000 years

You can argue that the earth is older, but human civilization is at max 10000 years according to your biblical interpretation.

So this does not counter my point, try again.

faridaije:
My teacher at college seems to hate me!

I have no idea what I have done, he treats me differently to other students.

It's safer to ignore him.
But if you get the chance to talk to him, you can raise it up it might be a minor misunderstanding.

budaatum:
Yes it does, according to KEB's very loose definition.

You are a babe theist in so far as you deify her, and moreso if you choose to worship her, which by her being 'your babe', and 'deified', you must do!

Do note, you may or may not develop a religion around her to worship her (though, I can't see how you wouldn't), and when you dump her, you will become a babe atheist as far as this particular babe is concerned.

Don't mind KingEbukasBlog he can be funny at-times.

budaatum:
Oh, come on. Surely you understand that he means that first you have to see the thing itself as a god!

Hence, the proper expression a la KEB would be:

Non-belief in a deified universe
Non-belief in a deified Sun
Non-belief in a deified Moon
Non-belief in a deified Julius Caeser

Which makes you an atheist, regarding these deified entities, so far as they are seen as deities by some others.

Today, I went to the bank. There's money in my account, but no where close to the million pounds I believed I had and with which I planned to buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari. I deified this money. It is why I applied 'belief' to it, as odd as that sounds. I am therefore, and for today only, a million pounds I believed I had in my bank account atheist.

By reason a la.............

Now this is reasonable.

wirinet:
My view on this? Well, this is a very trickish situation. Debt is one of the main reasons companies fold up in Nigeria. I have known big companies that was owed billions of naira and had to eventually fold up.

Ordinarily, I would have said take the matter to court, but our judicial system is too slow, too infective and too costly, especially for civil cases. You might be in court for the next three or more years, and at the end of the day, the your debtor might be asked to pay installmentally over a prolonged period of time.

The first rule of business in Nigeria is avoid debts as much as possible, this is my motto after more than 20years of doing business. It is better to take small profit margins and collect your money cash than expect huge profits in debts. Even if you eventually collect your money, the stress would not worth the wahala. Besides with small margins but cash at hand, you can turn over the business multiple times instead of using the time to pursue debt in a single transaction.

Nigerians only understand one language threats. You can use police or even soldier to threaten the debtor. Although lawyers will tell you about the law and the illegality of using police and soldiers, but believe me this is what works fastest. I have seen people use thugs, Oyabo, OPC, etc to collect their debts. Even micro finance and money lenders (Lapo) use police, thugs, etc. Just be tactical about it and do not cause any physical damage to persons and property.

I remember someone owed my wife N30,000 for over one year. One Saturday morning my wife went to her house to draw the debt, the debtor came out ready for a fight, my wife took her down and seized her two phones. Behold, by evening that day she showed up at my door with the N30,000.

Thanks.
From what i infer you and KingEbukasblog post too, it sad that most Nigerians respond to threats or fear.
But well, when a parent think the only way to make a child do the right thing is by inculcating some form of force or fear every time, it's little surprise that this factor is common among the blacks. - Just my thought.

abbaapple:
Please I need somone who can teach me all this stoves. Thanks

Just start learning(with online resources) and post your questions here on nairaland, that will make your learning process faster.

tee4naija:
Sorry I don't get it. The exam I learnt is primary 4 standard. The minimum qualification into SUBEB is NCE (which presupposes one has a school cert).If NCE holders could not score 75% in the exam meant for primary 4, what do we expect from the pupils they teach?

Wow, so indeed the exam was cheap.
Na wa oo

KingEbukasBlog:
He can , she'd eventually pay . But he has to play this really well so that the kind of message he wants to put out gets received .

He can agree that she'd pay in installments . A certain amount of money to be paid after a certain period of time : Maybe 100k every week for 3 weeks .

Hmm, what if she decides not to and keeps postponing?

maasoap:
No. I guess he couldn't possibly have distinction in all the subjects he sat for. 75% pass mark is too high.

Oh, that's true.
But maybe most of them(teachers) were highly unqualified and the exams was not as hard as we think.