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Christianity EtcRe: MUST READ: Perfect Explanation To Why God Does "EVIL" by 4kings: 2:20pm On Jul 31, 2016
Cyberclint:
Abeg which God?
Zeus? Kratos? Jehovah? Hades? Allah? Amadioha? Sango? Ogun?
The thread is for Yahweh the Christian God.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Dying For Someone You Love Biblically Right? by 4kings: 2:19pm On Jul 31, 2016
IffaCatchYouEhn:
Why would I die??




Jesus had died already and I don't wanna compete with him undecided
What if it involves the case of salvation of a person or a group from harm?
Using Mandela and Ghandi technically as example.
Christianity EtcRe: MUST READ: Perfect Explanation To Why God Does "EVIL" by 4kings: 1:55pm On Jul 31, 2016
@honourhim sorry for bombarding u with questions, but I want to talk a little bit on 'higher purpose' that u previously stated.

According to Paul's and Luke's view on this in romans 2 : 21 and acts 10 : 34 respectively, God does not show favouritism.
Also in 1corinthians 15 : 9 & 10, Paul indicates that his feat was based on his labour, though by god's guidance.

Also in 1corinthians 12 where gifts was talked about, there was no indication that it was inborn, but a phenomenon that is to be coveted and bestowed on those that believe.

Again Paul said in romans 12 : 3, that the *same* grace given to him, was given to all believers, *so that no one will think highly of himself*.

So please also explain what u mean by 'some men having higher purpose'.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Be An Atheist On Nairaland. by 4kings: 1:19pm On Jul 31, 2016
Ghen ghen ghen ghen.
Naijadeyhia vs dalaman
Can't wait to see the season finale.




KingEbukaNaija, hahn, seun, cloudgoddess, hardmirror, honourhim and co come and watch this
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Christianity EtcRe: MUST READ: Perfect Explanation To Why God Does "EVIL" by 4kings: 9:32am On Jul 31, 2016
honourhim:
I have told you that God created all of us for a purpose and thats why he gave us gifts/talents. We are supposed to fulfill that purpose by using our gifts to serve humanity to the glory of God who gave the gifts to us.
I also told you that its not everybody that makes use of their gift or fulfill their purpose in life. Some people end up not making use of their gift and fulfilling their purpose in life.
Now the poor children you are talking about in Mozambique and Eriteria. They all are also blessed with gifts/talents and its only left for them to make use of it and fulfill their various purposes in life.
The Nigeria/Biafra war devastated the south east and rendered millions of them poor, sick and homeless then. Today when you come to the south east you wont believe that there was war there and many of those people who were part of that war and suffered its horrible effects are now living a very comfortable life some are very rich because people made use of their gifts.
You can agree with me that even in Nigeria in general, a lot of comfortable men and rich men today came from a very poor background but are rich today because they made good use of their gifts. You will also agree with me that most of our music stars, movies stars and other people who have excelled in various fields of life today in Nigeria came from a very poor background but made good use of their gifts to excel. So when you are talking about poor children in Mozambique pls bear in mind that there are poor children in various parts of the world who have risen to become either comfortable or rich or super rich in this world.
Hope you remember where our discuss started. You were driving at predestination of people and i was trying to draw a separation line about it but it seems you are now driving to a different thing again. I believe both of us are having good discussion and learning from one another but if it starts tilting towards unnecessary argument i will withdraw. As long as you keep it cool and focused, i am enjoying our discussion.



Just as God said that in the last days that many believers will fall from the faith, today its happening and thats why people like me are not surprised when i see how people depart from the faith.
God said that iniquity shall abound in the end time, today we can see tremendous spread of iniquity in the world so i have no doubt that this one you mentioned will happen too but pls note that there are anti christs in the world already. Atheists are one of them. What you are talking about is the beast and the mark of the beast event.


Nope. You are misrepresenting me here. I said some peoples purposes are higher. Simply means - Paul achieved higher than the other apostles. IF you come to the music industry, some musicians achieve higher than the others. But they are all gifted. Same goes for other professions. Thats what i mean.
I'm quite enjoying this discussion.
Thanks for addressing the 1st and 3rd question.

Now back to the 2nd issue. Your explanation suffice when looking at it as a system of belief or growth of ideas that is bound to occur.
But my intention for posing the question is as regard to predestination(prophecy) that is obviously tied to an individual and not a group or system.
I'm talking about cases like the horsemen, woman of Babylon, and the beasts, and how their every action were spoken of, remember I started with Judas.

Meanwhile, explain scriptures like proverbs 20 : 24, proverbs 19 : 21, I can't remember some right now.
Christianity EtcRe: Deists And Other Truth Seekers by 4kings: 8:46am On Jul 31, 2016
dalaman:
Absolute atheism with regards to man made God's like Yahweh, Allah, Zues, Ra, Brahma, etc isn't arrogant because these God's are all man made ideas. They are purely human inventions. Am an agnostic atheist in the sense that I do not believe in all the man made Gods. I do not know if the universe was created or not. What ever force or forces created the universe do not want humans to know about them from all indication so I do not worry myself about that.
OK I get your point (agnostic atheism) and absolute atheism as it relates to man-made ideas.
But absolute atheism in the real sense does not make sense.
PoliticsRe: Good News! Buhari Breaks 50 Years Economic Record by 4kings: 2:40am On Jul 31, 2016
Hail Buhari
Christianity EtcRe: Deists And Other Truth Seekers by 4kings: 2:07am On Jul 31, 2016
Weah96:
I don't believe in a remote creator entity. The designer of the universe to me operates in the sub atomic realm in which all possibilities exist. By residing within atoms, it can coordinate ALL of Nature from that vantage point.

Looking at it this way, it's not hard to see why children die from horrible things. In fact, 30k children will die from HUNGER today. But guess how many pigs, goats, cows, and chickens will die today? MILLIONS. Those animals are also made up of atoms too. And they carry blood in their veins like we do. We murder them for food by the millions daily, and yet we cry when someone dies.

Ignorance is bliss. Imagine if animals possessed our knowledge. We would hear cries of mourning ALL DAY and ALL NIGHT from everywhere.
huh
Christianity EtcRe: Deists And Other Truth Seekers by 4kings: 1:58am On Jul 31, 2016
AnonyNymous:
Yeah, I agree with you on that, whichever god exists does not meddle in human affairs. . .
Such healings, well apart from the lies that they display in churches, for the ones that actually seem to be true, I feel that most of them are actually influenced by their subconscious mind believing they'll get healed, which sort of 'speeds up' the process, science and psychology both agree that a person's expectations about the effects of a drug, directly effect the rate of success of that drug, eastern religions call it 'Law of Attraction', and I guess that's what's actually happening. But trust me, a person who has a disease cannot be cured completely by some faith healer somewhere without using any form of medicine
Aye aye captain.
Love to see deist on nairaland, cos I for one think absolute atheism is arrogant.
Christianity EtcRe: Deists And Other Truth Seekers by 4kings: 1:39am On Jul 31, 2016
AnonyNymous:
In that case, that isn't gnostic atheism, that's pantheism, which is still a form of theism. . . and in that form, I think I've read about them describing god as our collective consciousness, which is constantly evolving, and therefore imperfect. Its an interesting position but I don't really agree with it, discussing with a pantheist, he says the existence of this universe came as a result of our collective unconciousness longing for consciousness, which didn't really make much sense to me, also, if our existence is as a result of our consciousness, then surely we should be able to explain the universe and have a complete understanding of it, but instead, mankind was clueless about his surroundings, and gradually adapted to it. . . Idk, that line of reasoning doesn't really make much sense to me
Thanks for the clarification.
I regularly read about chi, kundalini and the esoteric meaning of the bible and ancient text, and I must say that there are interesting.

Well I don't believe that man's actions are influenced by an external being or that any supernatural activity occur. Though from my study, I have found out that 'extraordinary event' such as healing are influenced by the subconscious.

Do u have any opinion on the subconscious?
Christianity EtcRe: Deists And Other Truth Seekers by 4kings: 1:02am On Jul 31, 2016
I understand your analogy.
However some gnostic believe that god is an innate part of all human, which can be reached through the conscious controling of the subconscious (to know)(meditation), for example chi energy.
They don't disbelieve in a creator, but they believe that the creator is not separated from human ( I.e human as the temple of god, 4rm a biblical perspective), which goes contrary to the religious view of god being a separate being.
What do u have to say about this sect?
Christianity EtcRe: Deists And Other Truth Seekers by 4kings: 12:28am On Jul 31, 2016
Please can u go a little bit more as to why u reject gnostic atheism.
Cos it really makes more sense to me though am not fully certain.
ProgrammingRe: Explain This Code And Get Commended by 4kings: 11:12pm On Jul 30, 2016
promise10:
Only some part I know I can explain but not all.
Please do explain the part u know.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 9:13pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:
I do, I am confirming that the presence of doubts isn't new,the mind was made to be curious.
Granted.
So what supernatural evidence has been doubted by the(some) human mind, for years now.
CelebritiesRe: Harrysong 2 Adopt An Orphan After Donating Goods 2 Orphanage Home In Delta(pics by 4kings: 8:50pm On Jul 30, 2016
hahn:
Really? undecided



But it makes sense to thank an imaginary being that ignored it's supposed responsibilities for the act of a man that chose to take up the challenge?

Your comment is full of dumb assumptions and lacks any sense fam.

Think before you type undecided
Ouch.

Let me not derail this thread any further. adios
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 8:40pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:
I will take the last bit, I don't know how the rest pertains to what I have typed thus far.

You won't find any "evidence" that you won't doubt,the human mind was made that way and that's the reason why Christianity isn't based on evidence,it can be fabricated and twisted as need be.Won't you agree?
What do u mean by evidence the human mind would doubt?
Don't u have a human mind?
CelebritiesRe: Harrysong 2 Adopt An Orphan After Donating Goods 2 Orphanage Home In Delta(pics by 4kings: 8:18pm On Jul 30, 2016
hahn:
Did you tell that to them?





undecided
They believe in their God.
If u don't believe in god u shouldn't have bothered commenting. It just like speaking to the wind, it does not make sense, except u have a personal problem with god.
CelebritiesRe: Harrysong 2 Adopt An Orphan After Donating Goods 2 Orphanage Home In Delta(pics by 4kings: 8:07pm On Jul 30, 2016
hahn:
Very nice

Man is obviously more compassionate than God

What was God doing all this time while the orphans were hungry?

undecided
Mentioning God wasn't necessary. Or are u anti-theist?
EducationRe: Top 100 Universities In Subsaharan Africa: 26 Nigerian Universities Make List by 4kings: 7:20pm On Jul 30, 2016
mriyesecnerwal:
I knew you were troubled. Mind you its a account
*a account*, no wonder u are vexed. What school did u go to?
EducationRe: Top 100 Universities In Subsaharan Africa: 26 Nigerian Universities Make List by 4kings: 7:18pm On Jul 30, 2016
otosa:
show me the list from No 1 -100 or I don't believe.
Why not check the webometric site urself.
Christianity EtcRe: My Greatest Misconception Of Atheism/Skepticism Or Freedom From Religion by 4kings: 7:11pm On Jul 30, 2016
stephenmorris:
we do not claim to know things in life without facts. we know because we have the evidence or facts and it is through this facts we support our claims therefore GOD DOES NOT EXIST and even if god exist its not the christian god
The reason behind ur assertion does not make any sense.
What fact support your claim?
And remember facts are also derived from observations and reason.
EducationRe: Top 100 Universities In Subsaharan Africa: 26 Nigerian Universities Make List by 4kings: 7:04pm On Jul 30, 2016
mriyesecnerwal:
Are you troubled?
So u just registered on nairaland today, to come and pour out ur hate.
smh.
EducationRe: Top 100 Universities In Subsaharan Africa: 26 Nigerian Universities Make List by 4kings: 6:55pm On Jul 30, 2016
mriyesecnerwal:
How on earth did CU make that list. I smell imcomplete list here. Well wetin we no go see for naija
Wetin this one dey rant.
Abeg go sidon.
EducationRe: Nigerians Songs You've Been Singing Wrong All Your Life. by 4kings: 4:57pm On Jul 30, 2016
Wow never knew about no.1
EducationRe: PHOTOS: Primary Public School Student Makes A Robot From Scrap Materials In Ogun by 4kings: 4:53pm On Jul 30, 2016
This is a sculpture, not a robot.
But he tried though.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Fails To Resurrect After Telling People To Bury Him Alive by 4kings: 4:33pm On Jul 30, 2016
dalaman:
How do you know a true man of God? Are you a true christian?
KingEbukaNaija please answer this question.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Fails To Resurrect After Telling People To Bury Him Alive by 4kings: 3:05pm On Jul 30, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
Was he actually a true pastor of God ?
Wowwww
Denial, denial denial
Let me just drop this.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Fails To Resurrect After Telling People To Bury Him Alive by 4kings: 2:56pm On Jul 30, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
You've forgotten that God scrutinizes a man's purpose or action .
Ya, but shouldn't his God have told him that his actions were wrong. (Proverbs 16:1).
EducationRe: Let's See How Technical You Can Think!!! by 4kings: 2:50pm On Jul 30, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
x + x/2 + 1 = 100

2x + x + 2 = 200

3x = 198

x = 66

Bro , 66 cos the bird says we(x) need(+) half of us (x/2) + you (1) to be (=) 100

then 66 + 1 = 67 to get the total number of birds flying
Thanks
I get
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Fails To Resurrect After Telling People To Bury Him Alive by 4kings: 2:45pm On Jul 30, 2016
winner01:
okay ive heard.

You dont really need an answer, do you undecided

Do you also believe that existence have no meaning, if so, your words too have no meaning.
I don hear.

How is the meaning of existence part of this discussion?
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Fails To Resurrect After Telling People To Bury Him Alive by 4kings: 2:37pm On Jul 30, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
Sorry bro I meant that the pretext or ostensible purpose was to exercise faith , his real purpose was to showboat . You know the news will spread like wild fire and he'll get so much attention and his congregation will proliferate
Isn't that what he would think that God would want for the growth of His kingdom.
Probably he thought he was chosen.

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