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kevoh:
Abortion is never a wise option except in cases where the pregnancy poses as life threatening to the mother.

I completely agree.

Charlesdock:
Mr. Seun you got it all wrong. Annaias and Sapphira conspired against the Holy Ghost by trying to hide a certain part. They presented the half as a whole which led to their death. It wasn't barbaric at all. He could have told Peter we can only afford to pay half but he lied. Mr Seun you can't blasphemy the Holy Spirit. Anyway continue the good job of fulfilling the prophecy. But I pray that God will visit you soon.

**Conspired against the Holyghost**, seriously do u know the fruits of the holyspirit.

100% Nigerian Deist.

mrZENographer:
There is no picture of Jesus, only actors. All those pictures are promoted by pagan christians aka Catholics, HENCE THE popularity.

You didn't read the op, its not about 'actors'.

naijadeyhia:
Seun the point you so badly want me to make will be found in your answers to my questions. I guess you already know this so tactically don't want to commit yourself which is why you asked me a question of your own rather than answer my very simple questions.

Answer them and be honorable for once in your life.

To the mod that banned me......na you go tire ....but God bless u still.

I thought u\damogul said u were banned??

cckris:
OK! Then make your own FORGERIES half as articulate as Paul's inimitable Epistles. Paul IS too much, & OUTLASTS these low-lifers that can't withstand Truth.

Was this directed at me?

AnonyNymous:
I've done a little research on these topics, and let me answer them to the best of my knowledge. Yes, the ancient Egyptians were dark in complexion. So were the Israelites. . .In fact, that was how it was possible for Moses to supposedly be concealed. Do you think it makes any sense for a white baby to be brought to the court of a black Pharaoh and nobody would suspect anything? There's irrefutable archeological proof that the ancient Egyptians were black, and the Israelites being black would be the only logical way to reason out most if the fables in the bible. . . such as Joseph's brothers not being able to recognise him when they arrived in Egypt to beg. The biblical Israelites are supposed to be descendants of 'Ham' which is Hebrew and roughly translates to 'black'.
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So how did 'white' Israelites and 'white' Jesus spread?
First off, I hope you are well aware that it takes only 3 generations of interracial breeding to turn a 'black' person 'white'.
That said, we are all aware of the evils of the Roman Catholic Church, and their role in bringing these Christian zombies we have all over nairaland today. They destroyed contents of the original 'bible' which weren't favourable to their rule, and restructured the bible so they could marry the church and state together. I sometimes wonder if the original bible was logical/made sense and just got corrupted. They destroyed every other text from the ancient Israelites, leaving but one - the dead sea scrolls, found in 1947, which have never been released to the public. Tgey removed one of the 'synoptic' gospels, the book of Barnabas, which is prob lost forever, probably because it made more sense than the four that are currently read today. If you read the book 'Lost Christianities' by a former Christian professor of theology, his 30 years of travels and research led him to the conclusion that most of the books supposedly written by Paul are, in fact forgeries. He even scanned a page of one of the leaflets a book was supposedly gotten from and provided an in-depth analysis.
That said, with Roman conquest, the image of Jesus changed gradually. . . the earliest known image of Jesus is that of a black man. With time, after interbreeding and more Roman conquest, the image of Jesus gradually changed, with his features becoming more and more European. At the time Rodrigo Borgia became the pope, most of Europe's black population had mixed and was 'white'. . . with that, it was easy to sell the concept of a white biblical history.
**Edit: it's funny how Yahweh left out the regions of Australia, Eastern Asia, North, & South America, & Southern Africa

lol @nairaland christian zombies.
That being said, I have also read that some of the epistles that most Christians claim were written by Paul are rejected by some scholars such as 2thessalonians, 1&2 timothy, titus, ephesians and colossians, though they are many reasons but some believe Paul was a gnostic(pneumatic) and never preached a pastoral message(ie structure of the church). Also have u noticed that Paul never made mention of the virgin birth, which is much of a big deal in Christendom today. And I will also check out the book u mentioned.



Wheew, this world and conspiracy. Thanks for the enlightenment.

honourhim:
If they had chosen not to do what God wanted them to do God would have sought for others. That's the point I was making when we started that God may want you to do something but you can choose not to do it. He doesn't impose.
Take the case of Moses, he had series of dialogue with God when God called him for the assignment. He presented some excuses to opt out but God used signs and words of encouragement to CONVINCE him.

Addressing the statement, 'He doesn't impose', did u know that ur God sought to kill moses (exodus4:24), just because of his doubt and fear?,read from verse 1 to understand, also remember the case of Jonah.

When I asked u about the fate of the men of God in the bible in relation to the choices they could have taken, I added scriptures of where they were spoken of, apparently u didn't read them. So let me make my point clear according to the reply u gave:
How can an omni-potent/science God, who u said created All men with purpose(whether great or average), foretell about a person, and because the person refused to walk in it, then he imposes his plan on another, and if the other person refuses to walk in it then he .......(I think u get my point), bearing in mind that u said all men were created for a purpose. Or are u insinuating that your God created the ''just in case class of people''?
Also note that those who were foretold about and what they were supposed to do, that the dates/periods were also spoken about just like in the case of moses(gen15:13, after 400 years) and Jesus(in daniel12:11-12), that's all I can remember, and Bible scholars have also confirmed this dates and others that were foretold.





Please note that though I don't believe in Yahweh, I am not trying to castigate you, but just to get a honest opinion on different biblical issues(such as this: Purpose) from a thinking christian. So I must say I am enjoying this discussion unlike most of your other brothers in Christ here on nairaland.

all4UGOD:
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this is exactly my point.moses was not just a prophet but also a leader.now ,if our leaders are honest to themselves then they should make those evil men pay for their atrocities.eg Chinese politicians don't steal public funds b/c there is consequence.but here public thieves are celebrated. so ,in ur opinion the pastor should disobey Ambode's authority , laws of the land and take the law into their hands?. The truth is that the justice system allowed
those evil and
NOT GOD.

I respect your opinion, so I won't go any further. Adios

zt the Archaeologist, i'm still waiting for the big bang post

all4UGOD:
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now don't quote the bible half way.did u read the part that said they disobeyed .that their disobedience caused innocent people to die.will u prefer that the innocent die b/c of the evil of the guilty.?

Seriously, because they 'disobeyed'.
Have u been to Lagos, if so why hasn't any man of God followed the leadership of Moses and attack any of the perpetrators of atrocities commited here.
Just in case u want to play the old testament card, your Jesus said in Mathew 5:17, that he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

KingEbukaNaija:
You claimed Christians believe in God because of their fear of Hell but you as a deist believe in God with the belief in the absence of Hell . What I'm trying to say is that we don't believe in God simply because of Hell .




So don't be dogmatic about it . People have other reasons for believing in God , they also have evidence that God does intervene .

OK

Really, u think I'm being dogmatic. lol

nairabacks:
This is why i cannot begin to debate with anyone here . More than half of the responders here are not even christian. They think this is a form of comic relief. Sorry oo.

Are u a christian?

KingEbukaNaija:
Nope . But what I'm trying to say is that your proposition on God's existence - deism - is devoid of the belief in Hell .



What the heck is this bro ? Yahweh is God's Jewish name . Other tribes have their names for God .

What do u mean by my proposition of Gods existence is devoid of the belief in hell?
Like I told u before I don't believe God interferes in the actions of men.

And my ideology of God is not the same for Yahweh or any God of most tribe.

all4UGOD:
.why leave out the bad leadership part?
u show me hungry and starving Somalian kid,and ask me why should God allow this evil?.is it God that told their leaders to go into war b/c of greed and love for money and power?learn to take responsibility for every action.Don't blame GOD for the evil of man. hope u got it?

Look what Moses the man who claimed that God allowed him to see his shadow commanded in this scripture Numbers 31:17, (just an example).
Or wasn't he backed by God?

KingEbukaNaija:
There are Christians who believe there is no Hell . Can you now explain why they still believe in God . You are a deist and you believe in God . What's now the point of that hokum

Are u one of the christains who believe there is no hell?
I believe in God not Yahweh..

honourhim:
Let me put my points this way-

1. The world was predestined to have good and evil operational in it. Its a battle field for good and evil. It is this battle between good and evil that makes our choices swing. Our choices swing because we are created to freely make choices. If we were created to be rigid then their wont be swinging between choices rather we will be a kind of one directional, choiceless entities.
2. The fate of our choices are predestined. We either suffer or enjoy based on the choices we made and not because of ourselves as individuals. For example if Anthony refuses to repent and goes to hell fire at the end of his life here, he went there because it is predestined that unrepentant sinners will end up in hell fire. He didnt go there because he is Anthony.
3. God creates us with the ability to choose. Taking a look into our future he foresees how we will make use of that ability. Remember that what influences our choices are what we meet/see/hear or experience(etc,) in life. Its not as if we make choices like a programmed robot. Most times we feel so good with the choice we have made and sometimes celebrate the outcome.
In the case of Eve she met with the deceiver, then looked at the forbidden fruit and found it appealing and decided to eat it. She simply succumbed to the evil force by her choice.
Sometimes too there could be divine intervention in our choices as a result of prayers made by us or by our loved ones on our behalf.

N.B. I am not ruling you out because i dont have monopoly of bible knowledge. I keep learning the bible- sometimes through discussions like this and through other ways. Still contribute more on where you think i didnt address properly.

I understand ur view of fate in relation to bad or good choices.
But in the third point u raised 'God creates us with the ability to choose'.
So how did he know for sure of the fate of Jacob and Esau, what if Jacob had chosen not to aspire for a kingdom but just to be a normal moral man or be bad, also what would have happened if Jeremiah had chosen not to be a prophet(jer1:5), what IF ur Jesus had chosen to keep quiet because of fear of death, what if Paul (Galatians1:15) had still chosen to persecute the Christians out of arrogance, what if moses (Genesis 15:13&14) accepted a title in egypt??
Let me just not go on.



BTW, when responding don't dwell on jesus's part.

honourhim:
The point here is that what was shared was not shared evenly. Call it talent or responsibility or purpose or anything It was shared in various degrees. If we say because its a parable then we ignore the method of sharing then we are not being fair to the lessons of the parable. If the method of sharing wasnt important then it wouldnt have been mentioned. You and i know that this is true about life. We are not given the same level of talent/gifts. Someone can be gifted in various things while another will be in just one or two things. These are happening even in today's life which corroborates this parable.
The man with the five talents got higher than others and that supports what i said that some people are given higher purpose. Purpose as we are talking about here is not different from responsibility. Paul carried out more responsibility than the others.
The issue of being hardworking, as you mentioned, is also important because the people put their talent to work in order to gain more. They were also disciplined. Your points are valid too.

Addressing your assertion 'You and i know that this is true about life', I don't believe in gifts and talent, but passion, discipline and opportunity.

Anyways now I get ur point, 'The point here is that what was shared was not shared evenly', your opinion though.

Let me see ur other post.

sanyahkod:
This doesn't mean God is not love.

God allows such incidents as this so we can read about them to instill the fear of God in us.

In the case of Ananais and Sapphira, the lesson to learn is faithfulness and the fear of God. Both couples lied. The wages of sin is death but we are only fortunate to enjoy God's grace being alive.

We should however not misuse God's grace by continue sinning.

So ur justification for death and eventual eternal torment, is because of a lie.

SMH, Christians' beliefs are completely against humanism, but u guys will still stick to ur ideology because of the fear of hell. SMH

KingEbukaNaija:
Bro . No one cares how old the earth or the universe is . We just know God did it that's all .



Because there is no such thing as macro-evolution . Dinosaurs to birds ? Come on who believes that crap . Its unscientific .



The Pre-Adamic flood . The first flood which wiped out the Pre-Adamites or Pre-Adamic life.



Not sure why such happened . But its certain they were not humans . And there is no need for trial and error for an all knowing God .

You know preadamism is just an hypothesis.
In my view, I think those who support preadmism, really see the evidence of science, but don't want to accept, thereby creating a story to suit their ideology.

How can an all-knowing god create beings without purpose, but anyway u said u r not sure.

KingEbukaNaija:
The wages of sin is death . And God shows mercy to whomever he chooses to show mercy to .

Exodus 33:19
And He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before thee; and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee, and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.

You Christians should stop adjoining the word LOVE with your idea of GOD, its hypocrisy.

KingEbukaNaija:
You do realise that if he gets saved later on and you do not you will suffer in Hell for this extremely foolish decision . His write ups in fact have increased my faith in God

SMH

kingcity:
when will u stop attacking christians.?

Is he lying?

naijadeyhia:
There have been Professors, Doctors, Distinguished Scientists, extremely wealthy people who were all Atheists and they all had one thing in common. Just like you they all mocked God at every given opportunity....Ironically they have all died and new set have emerged but guess what? Almost all of these people have been forgotten as many people have moved on after their demise but the same Gospel they mocked is still as powerful as it has always been and has been growing exponentially in great and marvelous ways and places.

Jesus is still a household name while the names of the mockers have been forgotten. That is still going to be the norm today....Nairaland will come and go and so will its owner and all the mockers on here but the Word of God would remain in strength and glory.

Don't worry the growth of the internet will make that idea(your jesus) extinct and laughable, just like people formerly believing natural disasters were because the gods were angry.

Following

TomHagen:
I was reading that thing up and I was like wow!, this guy knows his stuff. I no know say na copy and paste you dey do. You for put link na. Plagiarism no be sin?

lol,
This is not the first time, cloudgoddess had caught him doing it in a former thread.
I guess he can't use his _nte_le_t properly.

all4UGOD:
.pls u guys should stop blaming God for the wrongdoings of humans.our leaders are the ones responsible for war,hunger,poor health,disaster.our greed for their campaign handout is responsible for voting for them in the first place

Huh? What does voting and campaign handout have to do with this discussion?

@AnonyNymous
If the ancient Egyptians were dark in complexion, were the ancient Israelites also the same?
Cos if so, then the story of Pharaoh's daughter concealing the identity of Moses does not make sense.


Also what happened to that race during Borgia's reign, cos it seems they were not around(Rome and Europe) for this fallacy to have grown.

honourhim:
The parable of the talents simply explains this. Some are given five, three, two talents respectively.

Nope, the parables of jesus is just an allegory used to make a point, in this case responsibility and discipline.
If u think that Jesus's parables were meant to be taken literally then a christian should pluck out his eye in order to avoid sin (just an example).

Besides Paul made the issue on purpose very clear, from the scriptures I gave u. He even said in 1corinthians 15:9&10 that though he persecuted Christians before his conversion, that still his success compared to the other Disciples
was because of his LABOUR (through gods grace), meaning if he was less hardworking he would have not made as much impact in the gospel as he did.
Are u insinuating that Paul committed heresy?




I am trying to establish a point, but ur views so far are not going in line with the real stories of the bible. I probably might not be getting ur point clearly, so please try to explain, especially for readers.

lol, Christians are really funny.

musquareni:
simple question for physics students... stress is simply force over area, or force divided by area. It has the same unit with pressure because it's also force over area... what am I saying? I mean you could also say what's your pressure

LMAO

naijadeyhia:
Do u have a child? Do u love that Child? If in the land u live there are offenses punishable by death under law and you have repeatedly warned your kind against carrying out those offenses and your child still deliberately goes ahead to do them....would your love prevent him from serving the punishment? Yes or no

Stop twisting the truth.
There are non-religious men who are by far morally better than most hypocrite in the Christian sect, but according to your believe, they will tormented eternally just because they don't believe in Yahweh.