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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only by 4Play(m): 7:06pm On Jan 11, 2009
3-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vida . . . . . . . Rooney. . . . .Berba.

What a match! grin grin Where are the Chelski supporters? huh This place is like a graveyard. grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Chelsea Fans: Identify Yourselves Here by 4Play(m): 6:10pm On Jan 11, 2009
dayokanu:
Somze I disagree. when you take a penalty wrongly you have to retake it is never cancelled
Same with freekicks and corner kicks
You dey mind that fool, maybe he is talking of giving Utd poultry products:
somze:
that would have been a fowl against ManU not a corner replay.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Benitez Savages 'killer' Fergie by 4Play(m): 3:56am On Jan 11, 2009
Benitez is an almost compulsive intriguer. He has spent the last year engaged in a loosely concealed attempt to undermine his own chief executive, Rick Parry, employing innuendo and double-speak rather than come out and clearly define his position.

He left Valencia after falling out with the club's sporting director and has continuously tussled for every advantage behind the scenes at Liverpool.

Yet this attack on Ferguson is not the Machiavellian scheme some might attribute to Benitez.

Leaving aside, for a moment, the accusation that Benitez has risen to Ferguson's bait, it is worth examining the validity of Benitez's various accusations. Disinformation and half-truth abound.

Charge 1 "We have seen players sent off at Old Trafford and we do not see our opponents sent off."

There has only been one player sent off at Old Trafford this season. In September, Middlesbrough's Emanuel Pogatetz was shown the red card after he went in two-footed on Rodrigo Possebon. The young Brazilian midfielder was lucky to avoid serious injury and both the Boro manager Gareth Southgate and Pogatetz apologised. There can be absolutely no dispute.

Two players have been sent off for the opposition at Anfield this season. Wigan's Luis Antonio Valencia was sent off for two bookings in October in a game that Liverpool won 3-2. His first caution was for encroaching on a free-kick. Here's what Steve Bruce said about it: "I just thought all the little decisions in the second half went Liverpool's way. It's difficult enough coming to Anfield, but you need some fairness and strength. Two minutes after Valencia was dismissed, [Nabil] El Zhar tackled Mario Melchiot in the same way and,  nothing. That's what annoys us to."

The other player to be sent off at Anfield? Nemanja Vidic of Manchester United.

Hardly fits Benitez's conspiracy, does it?

Charge 2 "During the respect campaign, and this is a fact, Mr Ferguson was charged by the FA for improper conduct after comments made about Martin Atkinson and Keith Hackett. He was not punished. He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things."

Ferguson was charged for making some pretty pathetic and disparaging remarks about Atkinson after the FA Cup quarter-final defeat to Portsmouth in March.

Carlos Queiroz, his then assistant, was also charged. Both were later cleared by an independent commission, not the FA.

In regards Hackett, Ferguson accused him of being biased towards Chelsea after John Terry's red card against Manchester City was rescinded. Ferguson looked paranoid – the decision to send off Terry had been considered pretty harsh – and not a little self-interested as Terry was freed up to play United. And perhaps the FA's failure to punish Ferguson was a weakness.

But to suggest other managers get punished misses the mark. Everton's David Moyes has been fined £5,000, Phil Brown has been fined £1,000 and Roy Keane received no fine at all relating to charges of improper conduct. All were warned about their future conduct. Joe Kinnear has two charges outstanding.

While this might show that the Respect campaign is a sham, it does not suggest the FA are cracking down on anyone. Not a touchline ban to be seen.

Oh, except for Ferguson, who was given a two-game ban for abusing Mike Dean after a the 4-3 win over Hull in November. He also got a £10,000 fine. So he is the one manager who has been substantially punished by the FA this season.

Charge 3 "Then he was talking about the fixtures. Two years ago we were playing a lot of early kick-offs away on Saturdays when United were playing on Sundays – and we didn't say anything."

Ferguson's claims of an anti-United bias in the fixture schedule are laughable. But so is Benitez's counter-suggestion that United were favoured in the past. True, Liverpool did play five away fixtures in the early Saturday slot in the 2006-07 season, losing two, winning two and drawing one.

But then United also played five away games for the Saturday matinee audience. Again, Benitez seems to have his facts wrong. He is right that United played more Sunday games that season – nine to Liverpool's five – but they are hardly advantageous if you are playing in the middle of the following week.

Jose Mourinho used to complain that the English league disadvantaged its Champions League competitors by failing to move games that undermined preparation for big ties. But then all teams have been disadvantaged equally.

Few managers take on Ferguson and come off unscathed. Benitez's courage might be applauded if only his claims had more substance. Ferguson is petty and irrational, and he will wind you up until you crack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/4214075/Rafael-Benitezs-outburst-made-up-of-half-truths-and-disinformation-Football.html
Foreign AffairsRe: 5 Somali Pirates Drown With Ransom Share by 4Play(m): 3:16am On Jan 11, 2009
@Jakumo

A rescue operation has already been mounted. . .rescue of the dollar notes I mean. Get rich or die trying, they certainly died trying.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 2:40am On Jan 11, 2009
Professional dimwit, so it is "irrelevant quote from the UN"? So you know better than the UN staff doing analysis and devising solutions in the region for decades?
Idiot, it is absolutely irrelevant to the point you made: that the fact that Gaza has a budget 10 times Nigeria's per head can be explained away by simply asserting that budgets are projected expenditures not actual expenditure.

Tell me you schmuck, how does the UN quote support that?

This is how someone can spot the assured confidence of ill-educated individual's bravado.You are right on one thing though: "No sane person on earth will challenge my claim". Yeah, instead of challenging you, they should get a stray-jacket and lock you up.
Unlettered fool, what is a ''stray-jacket''?

80% of Gazans live on FOOD aid and are below poverty line, and your daft self says "Gazans enjoy a living standard that is better than most Africans including Nigeria". What proportion of Nigerians live on food aid and what proportion are below the poverty line?

Yeah, poverty is relative to each society, but the relativeness also measures the income-generation potential and basic needs. So if 80% are generating less than the minimum potential and can't meet their basic needs in life and have to depend on hands out, you think they have a fantastic life?
What is this slowpoke yapping about? Take 2 persons: A & B. A sells little and survives on welfare to the tune of $300 per year. B doesn't get welfare but survives on selling palm oil to the tune of $30 a year. Who do you think is better off? Bloody idiot!

Puddenhead,are Americans getting food stamps worse off than many Nigerians who have no Govt to aid them? The mere existence of aid in Gaza doesn't mean that living conditions are comparatively worse than Africa's.

Professional dimwit, this is equivalent as saying someone earning £20K in London is better off than someone earning £12K in Sokoto. Moronic as you are not comparing cost of living (transport, gas/heating, labour, transport etc) for the respective region. More moronic when the head of UNRWA is saying living there is tough.
Look at this self-contradicting befuddled Arrow. Earning £20k in London is not as impressive as earning £12k in Sokoto because having better standards of living in London comes with having higher cost of living. This unbridled mass of idiocy is tacitly acknowledging that living conditions are better in Gaza than in Africa.

Forget about the consequences of the recent outbreak in violence; Gazans have greater access to regular electricity, pipe-borne water, health facilities, schooling, transportation infrastructure,e.t.c than most Nigerians and Africans can ever dream of. Why do you think their life expectancy(72) is much higher than Africa's(48)? Idiot, the sooner you get that into your head, the better.

Again, this moronic ignoramus tells us that the UN says life is tough in Gaza. Nobody denies that, but only a slowpoke will try to claim that living standards have been higher for Africans than Gazans. . . the UN has never said that and telling us that the UN says life is tough is totally irrelevant, you obtuse fool.

Professional dimwit, the UN has already confirmed that 257 children were among the 758 killed. I guess to you the UN are Arab slaves?
Let's ignore that last time, the UN also said there was a massacre in Jenin. Idiot, there is a conflict between Israel and Gaza and the UN cites the 257 figure given by the Gaza health ministry run by Hamas, that is being a Dhimmi. With the head of the UNRWA's, Karen Abu-Zayd, reputation as an Arabized dhimmi, any idiot citing Hamas run ministries' figures as the gospel truth deserves to have his head examined.

Professional dimwit, did your deceivers not say they have evidence of Hamas sending bomb from the UN compound, how come they have not released their evidence?

When the spokesman for the Israeli President was grilled on channel 4, he could not confirm where they say the bomb coming from. He said it could have been inside the compound or somewhere in the vicinity of the compound (North, East, South or West). This is the same people that said they had evidence?
Fact: The AP had Palestinians who confirmed that Hamas was shelling from within the school's vicinity. Is this Arrow claiming that Israel purposely attacked the school children? It's putrid idiots like you that promote the blood libel against Jews.

Professional dimwit, and your dimwitted self is the one that is objective?
You're allergic to objectivity. Here you are claiming that one of the most powerful militaries in the world is deliberately targeting civilians and you still have the nerve to talk of objectivity. . .what a libelous scum.

Professional dimwit, how generous of the Israelis.
I rob a bank of £20m and give £500K back, I guess I deserve a knighthood.
Look at the self-defeating logic of this idiot. If you think taking Gaza by Israel in a conflict it was threatened with annihilation by its neighbors is tantamount to Israelis being robbers, you are obviously a bumpkin.

The UNSC never demanded Israel return the land as a robber would be demanded restitution.

Gaza was run by Egypt so Israel ''robbed'' Egypt, not Palestinians, so would have to return the land to Egypt using your crass analogy. In this case, Israel; unlike Egypt, Jordan, Turkey and Britain; is the only nation that ever gave that piece of land to Palestinians. For that reason, Israel has done something unprecedented.Learn this and stop being a ahistorical schmuck.
Foreign AffairsRe: The Media; Israel And Palestine by 4Play(m): 1:26am On Jan 11, 2009
It's not just a question of who Israel was to return the land to. Israel's obligation to withdraw under 242 is not unilateral, that is to say, Israel's obligation to withdraw only arises in the context of a negotiated comprehensive peace settlement.

An apt example of what 242 had in mind is the settlement reached with Egypt for the Sinai: Israel withdraws in return for Egypt's recognition and renunciation of its belligerency. Look at the text of the resolution.

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;


It is a 2 fold obligation and does not require Israel to simply pack up and leave. It is also not true that the resolution requires Israel to withdraw from all of the land taken in 1967. The definitive article, ''the'', was left out on purpose as a prefix to ''territories''.

It's important to note that Israel has withdrawn from 80% of the territories taken in 1967 by withdrawing from the Sinai alone. Add Gaza in '05 and you will realise that Israel has gone a long way towards meeting its obligations.
Foreign AffairsRe: You Are Being Lied To About Somali Pirates! by 4Play(m): 2:51am On Jan 10, 2009
KenyanLady:
It's a total lies, fabrication!
Can you give us some details about what became of that particular story
There is no evidence that the Indian Ocean tsunami spread illegally dumped nuclear and toxic waste on Somalia's coast, the United Nations says. Samples taken from three locations in the Puntland region failed to identify any traces of toxic substances.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4321044.stm

In reality, like any public health scandal, it doesn't really matter to many Somalis whether the attribution of the deaths of 300 Somalis to the toxic waste was in fact baseless any more than the absence of evidence soothed Northerners' hostility to the polio vaccine  or British panic over the MMR vaccine.

Incidents of toxic dumping off the coast of Somalia remain an undisputed fact , even if people add ''spice'' to the stories, but to use it as some mitigatory justification for this piracy is to trample on the truth.
Foreign AffairsRe: You Are Being Lied To About Somali Pirates! by 4Play(m): 2:32am On Jan 10, 2009
JustGood:
This is a serious issue. After reading this, I am beginning to understand, and probably support, the so-called pirates. [b]We never heard about the dumping and looting of Somalian sea resources until the pirates started operating. [/b]Western countries don't care if Africans all die and starve as long as westerners can enjoy the simple comforts of life.
You never heard about it but this issue was in the news at the time. The BBC did many pieces on it. Problem is, most Africans are unaware of what goes in Africa but you can't blame the West for your own self imposed ignorance if you don't seek out news on your own continent.

March 3 2005
The United Nations says last December's tsunami has spread hazardous waste that has been illegally dumped on the coast of Somalia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2005/03/03/1314757.htm

February 23 2005
A spokesman for the United Nations Environment Program, Nick Nuttall, told VOA that for the past 15 years or so, European companies and others have used Somalia as a dumping ground for a wide array of nuclear and hazardous wastes.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/02/mil-050223-317cbc9a.htm

April 04 2005
Somalia authorities reported that nearly 300 people - a figure the humanitarian agencies dispute - were killed and thousands displaced by the tsunami waves, which were sparked by an undersea quake in Indonesia on December 26.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356730/posts

The stories were in the public domain at the time. However, suggesting that the current piracy is somewhat self defense will be trampling on the truth. The warlords and Islamists who now arm and sponsor the pirates have long moved beyond that.
Foreign AffairsRe: You Are Being Lied To About Somali Pirates! by 4Play(m): 10:21pm On Jan 08, 2009
@Ibime

The purpose of the politics thread no be to argue to your heart's delight? grin

The issue mirrors many other issues, whether Niger-Delta or even the ''Bakassi Boys'' vigilante ruckus. A common case of where genuine grievances are hijacked to the extent they no longer have much to do with the initial cause.
Foreign AffairsRe: You Are Being Lied To About Somali Pirates! by 4Play(m): 9:47pm On Jan 08, 2009
The points made in the article are salient and in keeping with Hari's reputation for puncturing many people's glib presumptions about history and current affairs.

However, a few points need to be made. The title and content of the article suggests a campaign of dishonesty has been waged on this issue. That, in effect, the whole piracy issue is based on a lie. If I may ask, where is the lie? Is it in the fact that most people are unaware of of the fishing/dumping issue or in the categorization of these armed Somalis as ''pirates'' ?

With regards to the fishing/dumping issue. Firstly, it's important to note that this is a problem that plagues many developing nations, particularly African nations. There is a causal link between the level of dumping/fishing and the impoverishment of the victim nation. The poorest countries, by reason of their lack of resources, suffer the most. That people are unaware of this, whether in relation to Somalia in particular or developing nations in general, is not proof of a lie but proof of ignorance. It is not as if European officials have totally denied these things, for God's sake, it was only a couple of months ago that the Economist magazine did a special feature on it and the Europeans openly acknowledged this problem, albeit, with a reluctance to tackle it which verges on acquiescence.

Now, that these issues initially prompted the Somali reaction is certainly true but the reality is that as things stand today, the issue of fishing/dumping has become tangential as a cause of the piracy. The piracy issue has taken a life of its own and is no longer a case of self-defense.

Let's put this way, if all these Somalis did was patrol their waters to board and search or deter the miscreants' ships, nobody will be talking of piracy. It is called piracy because ships are being picked off at random and not released until the owners cough up a sizable sum irrespective of the owners' cargo or intentions . That is the definition of piracy.

That this problem originally arose out of a genuine grievance is now besides the point. The proximate cause of the current piracy is wealth acquisition not self-defense. That is why it's called piracy and that is not a lie. That Somalis see it differently is non-sequitur, it's as relevant as noting that Germans once saw the Nazis as merely defending and upholding national dignity and interests.

Hari's article is crucial though in highlighting the need for the Europeans, Chinese and Arab nations involved in the fishing/dumping issues to give it the full attention it deserves and to stop acquiescing to it .This problem plagues many African nations and we should not wait until it breeds a piracy industry before we act.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 2:03am On Jan 08, 2009
gadogado:
again this darfur issue is a political one and not a religious one.rebels fighing the govt. and people being killed in the process.and many muslims were against the darfur killings but in all honesty its not the same as the gaza issue because the gaza issue involves land theft and because israel is stronger,its ok but this is uncivilized jungle justice way of thinking!!
its a big shame that innocents are being killed in darfur.a big shame and i strongly oppose it. but i don't think its genocide nor ethnic cleansing like the west asserts.those are simply moves by the west to tarnish the not so friendly sudanese govt. its a random militia who arent even arabs called supporter of APC that have had tribal issues with a certain tribe from darfur that are going at each other and the govt. is busy fighting rebels.so don't say what you don't know.i have been to sudan.
Land theft in Gaza? Israel has no territorial claim on an inch of Gaza territory. Like I noted earlier, Israel and Israel alone is the only governing nation over Gaza ever to hand it to the Palestinians - Not the Muslim Turks nor the Muslim Egyptians but Jewish Israel.

Please, don't tell the indigenous African tribes in Darfur that their conflict has nothing to do with land, that is the most ignorant claim I have heard about Darfur.

Most importantly, the distinctions you make are hairsplitting and are only a red herring. The reality is that one conflict, Darfur, has cost far more lives than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has cost in the latter's longer duration, yet, people purportedly driven solely by humanitarian concerns ignore or belittle the far graver humanitarian situation occuring in Darfur.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 1:54am On Jan 08, 2009
@Gadogado

Let me give you a simple task. Go to 2 embassies; the Sudanese embassy and the Israeli embassy and count the number of protesters.

People are more passionate about Israel when far worse atrocities are occuring. Is it that images of injured beautiful caramel complexioned babies are more evoking than images of  Africans?

Davidylan pasted a picture of an emaciated African child. Say the truth, when was the last time you ever saw a Palestinian baby that emaciated? I noted earlier on this thread that international aid alone to Palestine means that spending on the average Palestinian beats spending on the average African, hands down. Yet, people are more obssesed in their bashing of Israel and prefer to play the ostrich when it comes to far graver humanitarian situations
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 1:45am On Jan 08, 2009
gadogado:
@davidlyan.if i hear you say darfur again.i will slap Uwhat do you mean darfur.or do you not know that the people from darfur are bonafide muslims.you didnt know this.they're not christian, oya start hating them now that you know theyre muslims.the sudanese army and govt. is muslim so are the darfur rebels and people of darfur.they are also arabic speakers.thats their primary language although theyre ethnically african.
you're here spewing nonsense.what an idiot. darfur my foot.don't bring darfur into this.its not even comparable.
Look at this pig. Everybody knows Darfurians are mostly Muslim, that is the supreme irony of it all. What Darfur and the reaction or lack of one by  ordinary Muslims vividly illustrate is that many members of the Muslim community are mentally enslaved to the Arabs.

Why are you passionate about this conflict and not passionate about the Kurds that were massacred in Syria, Berbers suffering in Algeria, Russian Muslims in the Caucausus, e.t.c?

They don't even compare you say? Exactly oaf! More people have died in Darfur since 2003 than Palestinians who have died since 1922 but which conflict are you most passionate about? Palestine! The irony is lost on you.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 1:37am On Jan 08, 2009
The Vatican established diplomatic relations with Israel in 1993. Prior to this, it had refused to grant official recognition to Israel because of its desire to maintain control over the Holy Places in that country. Moreover, the Vatican feared that recognition would trigger retaliation against Catholic communities and jeopardize its efforts to establish ecumenical relations with Islamic countries.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-17779949.html

This idiot called gadogado probably doesn't know it was only in 1993 the Vatican granted formal recognition to Israel.

Now this dumb Muslim proclaims to know exactly how the Vatican works and the statement of the Justice Minister must have been arrived at by consensus. What is the evidence for this crass conjecture? None.

Stop being an idiot. If Gaza was full of Kurds and not Arabs, you wouldn't give a hoot. If Israelis were Muslims and Gazans Christians, most of these Muslims who have suddenly discovered empathy will be cheering the Israelis. Bloody Arab butt kissing idiots.
Foreign AffairsRe: Some Nigerians Here Are Sick Minded. No Compassion For The True Victims! by 4Play(m): 1:18am On Jan 08, 2009
There were 6500 rocket and mortar attacks by Hamas from Gaza in the past 3 years. Not once did these bleeding hearts protest, not on the first attack, 2nd attack, 3 thousandth attack . .  . . . .

Maybe Israel should stop using warning sirens and shelters to protect its citizen, a common sense measure the merchants of death in Hamas avoid, and allow more of its citizens to be slaughtered to gain the sympathy of bleeding hearts.

Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.
-- Associated Press, Dec. 27
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 1:12am On Jan 08, 2009
Charles Krauthammer noted something very interesting. 'Palestine' has been run by the Turks, the British, the Jordanians and the Egyptians. Not one of them ever thought to give the Palestinians sovereignty over any piece of land, which is what Israel did in 2005.

Such is the momentousness of the Israeli pullout and how did the Palestinians respond to this unprecedented transfer of authority to them? By firing rockets from the very first day Israeli withdrawal was completed.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 1:05am On Jan 08, 2009
gadogado:
The Pope's justice minister, Cardinal Renato Martino, has sharply criticised Israel's actions and likened the Gaza Strip to a "big concentration camp".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7817019.stm

so davidlyan, you should change your mind on the issue since even the pope dislikes and thinks israeli action is wrong.better hurry before they ex-communicate Uthen you can be a jew since you have so much undying love for them.
Knucklehead, Cardinal Martino speaks for himself and is not a ventriloquist.

However,the pope is but one person amongst 6.5bn, his opinion must be seen in the light of a Vatican that spent the 40s campaigning vehemently to stop the UN recognising Israel.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 12:40am On Jan 08, 2009
Remember that UN school? Turns out the headmaster builds rockets. .  .not for NASA but for Islamic Jihad

By day, Awad al-Qiq was a respected science teacher and headmaster at a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip. By night, Palestinian militants say, he built rockets for Islamic Jihad.

http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL05686115

David, you dey mind Sagamite. He suggests there is a media blackhole caused by Israel's actions but still swears by the accuracy of biased sources.

Two residents of the area who spoke by telephone said they saw a small group of militants firing mortar rounds from a street near the school, where 350 people had gathered to get away from the shelling. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.
[url]http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-wogaza075989330jan07,0,722143.story[/url]
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 12:20am On Jan 08, 2009
@David

You know Sagamite's famous Norwegian doctors? Dr Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse.Turns out they are both long time pro-Palestinian campaigners and purveyors of vitriol against Israel.

Dr Gilbert admits he doesn't seperate medicine from politics. This is his response to a Norwegian newspaper's question on 9-11

Q:Do you supports the terrorist attack on the United States?
A :Terror is a bad weapon, but the answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned”

This is who this moonbat called Sagamites cites as objective. Wonders will never end. 

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1580
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 11:45pm On Jan 07, 2009
And learn that the people called semitic people are not just the Children of Israel (Children of Jacob). But the children of the heritage that Ibrahim (as) came from. That includes the greater arabs, or at least every tribes that came from Ismail (AS), the first son and for a thirteen year period, the only son, before his baby brother Isiaq (AS) was born.
This canard by Olabowale is the product of ignorance. Antisemitism has always been known to refer specifically to Jews. You cannot divorce a word from its origin and usage by stupidly splitting it up and making its meaning merely the sum of its parts.

In the English language, antisemitism has only one meaning. Learn that from today and stop being stubborn in your ignorance.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 11:32pm On Jan 07, 2009
davidylan:
you even bothered to reply . . . i come to read her "question" periodically to give myself a good laugh.

Perhaps all the past 43 presidents of the US have been jews too. cheesy
Honestly, there is no point in debating her. I might as well debate my 3 year old niece.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 11:27pm On Jan 07, 2009
@Cayon

If you actually believe that 96% of US media businesses are owned by Jews, you are a retard and should seriously consider lobotomising yourself.

@SleekP

What does an Arab butt kissing lowlife like you have to add to the debate?
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 10:03pm On Jan 07, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/21/world/middleeast/21palestinians.html
The International Monetary Fund and the United Nations say the Palestinians received $1.2 billion in aid and budgetary support in 2006, about $300 per capita, compared with $1 billion in 2005.

While the United States and the European Union have led the boycott, they, too, provided more aid to the Palestinians in 2006 than 2005. Washington increased its aid to $468 million in 2006, from $400 million in 2005.
That colossal idiot called Sagamite should see this. Palestinians received $300 per capita in 2006. Nigeria's Govt revenue, to match the Palestinian level per capita, would have to be $45bn!

Saying that 80% of Palestinians are in receipt of aid is besides the point, it's an act of brazen idiocy. Why, because the level of the aid itself might make aid recipients better off than non-aid recipients. In the UK for instance, people on Govt aid are demonstrably better off than working people in Africa. Mr Sagamite, you are utterly clueless.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 9:53pm On Jan 07, 2009
Sagamite:
You are an absolute slowpoke.Here is the Head of UNRWA in GAZA stating the quality of life in GAZA prior to the conflict:

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/bringing+aid+to+hell+on+earth/2899087

He said 80% of the population was food aid dependent and living below the poverty line. Is Nigeria even that bad? You are a dimwitted fool to try and portray Gaza as some twin of Luxemburg when they are living a life of poverty.

Are you saying you know about Gaza better than him? Or is he also an Arab (those you hate so much) slave as well that is lying for propaganda reasons?

You are a fool check you facts before coming to chat rubbish here or else I will continue humiliating you.
Lying dolt. Your evidence of the false claims you made about Gaza's expenditure is an irrelevant quote from the UN?

No sane person on earth will challenge my claim, that Gazans enjoy a living standard that is better than most Africans including Nigeria.

Only idiots like you cite irrelevancies - is there a universal poverty line? No. 15% of Americans live below the poverty line, poverty is relative to each society. Poverty in Gaza is measured only in relation to Gaza, not in relation to Nigeria

As for Gazans depending on food aid. What an idiot. Palestinians get more per capita in aid than Nigeria gets per capita from oil . . . . put that in your skull, you blockhead! Fact is, they are better off on the aid they receive than the oil revenues we receive.

Idiot, you are comparing a territory whose public budget is a multiple of 10 to Nigeria's, what a naif.

I usually don't answer a person who has a brain of an Infant Potty Trainer but I’ll make an exception for UI could have given you something from a black/hispanic sites, but i chose not to.  And even if they are white Supremicist sites- Question: Tell me, what they wrote isnt it the fact?  Jews own 96% of the media/businesses in America - are you denying it?  I am waiting for an answer so don't be a coward.
Look at this idiot. You tell someone to ''think'' and in a shocking display of imbecility, link white supremacists as the purveyors of truth. Oaf, keep defending the indefensible.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel's War On Gaza. by 4Play(m): 8:56pm On Jan 07, 2009
slowpoke, budget does not mean "actual spent" especially when the budget is based on expected donations/aids (that usually do not materialise). Futhermore, Israel blocks access to money or flow of it into Gaza and the public workers for Hamas go without pay for months.

Go to Gaza and see a dead economy, slowpoke. Yet you are talking like if it is a twin region of Luxemburg or Kuwait, utter fool!

The Palestines live in abject poverty due to Israel's blockage of trade and economic flow. That is one of the main source of grievance.
This guy is a lying idiot. To what extent was Gaza's total expenditure different from what was budgeted? If you have any contradicting evidence, produce it or shut your lying face.

Gaza's budget is larger than Nigeria's per capita by a multiple of 10 and this slowpoke suggests that the massive difference can be explained away by claiming, without evidence, that Hamas must have spent far less than it budgeted.

Mind you, this is just Hamas' budget. Here is what Fatah had to say:
Fayyad explained that his government has spent 58 percent of its budget on Gaza Strip "to ease the life of the people andenhance their living conditions."
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/03/content_7560965.htm

58% of The Palestinian Authority's budget is spent in Gaza and this doesn't include the separate budget announced by the administration in Gaza.

Saying that conditions are tough in Gaza is an obtuse point. Tough, relative to the West and the Middle-East but by African standards, Gazans enjoy amenities that most Africans, including Nigerians, can only dream of. Let that sink into your hollow skull, you lying idiot.

Cayon:
Keep your mind wide open and THINK for yourself. Do not let religion blind you,   God gave us wisdom and knowledge use them and THINK.  I listed two links for your perusal.

http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-folder.html
Look at this putrid slowpoke called Cayon. She calls on someone to ''think'' and refers them to 2 sites: www.natvan.com and www.jewwatch.con, both of which are white supremacists' sites!!! Have you ever seen a purer expression of imbecility than this?

For instance, you would think that this passage on the Natvan site would have alerted the cretin:National Alliance: ideology and news commentary from a White racial perceptive. ADV: Internet radio broadcast for those of European descent worldwide.

An idiot intoxicated in her own shocking ignorance.
PoliticsNigerian Gangsters Get A Foothold In A Violent Italian Landscape by 4Play(op): 8:28pm On Jan 07, 2009
[url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-africa-naples7-2009jan07,0,5289057.story[/url]
The gangsters had just killed an arcade owner. Now they were hunting an African drug dealer.

Bulky in bulletproof vests, they scanned the dim main drag of this no man's land by the sea, a 16-mile strip of a town where Naples blends with Nigeria. They saw African prostitutes wearing miniskirts and multicolored braids, a wild night parade of silhouettes posing, strutting, staggering in search of a few euros. The sedan passed storefront churches, neon motel signs and garbage-strewn lots. It stopped at a low white structure housing Ob-Ob Exotic Fashions.

The drug dealer wasn't there. But the gunmen opened up anyway, strafing a group of Ghanaians at the store with an AK-47 assault rifle and semiautomatic pistols. Then they fled to a squalid hide-out and celebrated with lobster and champagne, leaving behind six people dead, one wounded and an uproar that spread across Italy.

The killings in September, recounted in interviews by senior antimafia officials, were gory evidence of conflict between the Neapolitan mafia, known as the Camorra, and Nigerian gangsters who play a growing role in Italy's drug and prostitution rackets.

This landscape of change and fear has been shaped by a singular juxtaposition: One of Europe's biggest concentrations of African immigrants has risen in the heart of Camorra turf.

"After the shooting, my wife said: 'Let's pack and leave this place,' " said Nsangu "Sammi" Kagutta, a Tanzanian father of three who owns a nearby Internet center. "They were just poor people trying to get their daily bread. If it was about drugs, they shot the wrong people."

Most of the victims were illegal immigrant laborers, though one or two may have been low-level drug pushers, investigators say. The fusillade of 130 bullets was apparently an indiscriminate message from a Camorra clan aimed at terrifying its junior partners into obedience.

"It was not about racism at all," said Jean-Rene Bilongo, a community mediator from Cameroon who speaks French, English and Italian with the broad Neapolitan accent. "It was about business."

Nigerian gangsters have made Castel Volturno a European headquarters. In the 1990s, demand boomed here for African prostitutes -- prosecutors call it "the Naomi Campbell phenomenon." Camorra clans "rented" turf to Nigerian pimps, a line of work that Neapolitan gangsters disdain.

And as cocaine flows increasingly to Europe through West Africa, Nigerians have graduated from their previous role as smuggling "mules" and pay the Camorra for a cut of street trafficking action.

"The Camorra worked well with the Nigerians at first," said Antonio Laudati, a top Justice Ministry official who led a major prosecution of the Nigerian mafia last year. "They were low-cost labor. They were well-received because they were cheap and very loyal. But then the Nigerians started to rise to a new level."

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