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@TayoD

Lets wait and see how these measures will play out in the next few years. If the Islamists are somehow convinced to ''give peace a chance'' , then the measures are justified.

Seun:
Why not take them to the USA?

For a lot of them, the evidence the US possesses isn't sufficient to obtain a conviction. Let's look at it by referring to popular culture, everybody knew Al Capone was a gangster and a murderer but it was very difficult to nail him. Evidence has to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

I suppose Obama's view is not to take most of these people captives in the first place and run the risk by monitoring them, getting the host nations to do the arresting/prosecuting or as Christopher Hitchens wrote, make sure they are ''un-taken'' in the battlefield.

debosky:
Why not build a holding cell for them in Afghanistan? Why must they be shipped to Guantanamo?

Not everybody in Gitmo was taken from Afghanistan so why ship them there? There are already holding facilities in Afghanistan, the biggest(Bagram Air Base),this witnessed a huge breakout recently which you must have missed.

In effect, Afghanistan is not safe enough for holding them.

It is a wise move - do things according to International Law and stop behaving like a bunch of power drunk mavericks.

There is a long tradition of classifying people as enemy combatants. Let me defer to your superior wisdom. You say this breaches international law, tell me what law and explain how it does.

The very idea of Gitmo is wrong, other solutions should be sought. If the prisoners are being tortured at Gitmo, I wonder what 'human rights concerns' they have for the prisoners.

The very idea? Your alternative is to ship them to Afghanistan! Same solution, different locations. Prisoners are tortured, but like the prisoners who insist on not being handed back to their countries of origin, the idea that a Saudi captive for instance is worse treated in Gitmo than in a Saudi jail is absurd. Get real, you will get better treatment in Gitmo than in your average Naija police cell.

As the war in Afghanistan is expanded, fruitlessly I think because history shows the West never wins there, more captives will be taken. I am keen to see how they will be processed. 

One option is to return them to their country of origin, but it will be against international law to do so if their rights are likely to be trampled upon. As Muslim states have no respect for human rights, that pretty much rules out the bulk of captives.

The US could enlist the help of allies like the Europeans to take some of these captives. The Bush administration began sounding out Europeans in Dec '07 of its intention to close Gitmo and asked them to take some of the captives. They refused then, lets what their response is now.

I still think keeping Gitmo is the least of all evils. The wellbeing of captives will be best met if their captors are Americans.

RichyBlacK:
Your comments do not address the following facts:
1. The illegality of the use of such chemical (Sagamite accurately pointed this out)

The use is not illegal, it is the manner in which it is used. If shelling was done ''indiscriminately'', the casualties will reflect this. Why is it that in a society where females represent more than 50% of the population, ''indiscriminate'' shelling produces female casualties significantly less in proportion than 50%?  

RichyBlacK:
2. That Israel initially lied about using the chemical

Have they admitted to using it?

*If the intent was not sinister, but due to circumstances beyond the control of the IDF, why deny it?

You can't find criminality on circumstancial evidence. You have to demonstrate intent by proving either intent or at least, reckless disregard for civilians.

*If the risk of using it against civilians is real, why use such chemicals at all when it is most likely that more conventional weaponry exists in the arsenal of the IDF?

Because they are effective against enemy troops. This conflict, compared to current and past conflicts, produced proportionally less civilian casualties. That is enough proof that Israel tried to minimise civilian casualties.

It is against international humanitarian laws to use such a weapon indiscriminately in a civilian area.

Idiot, we've gone through this before. If Hamas' strenght is 15,000 men, that is 1% of the Gaza population.

If Israel was shelling indiscriminately, there won't be hundreds of Hamas dead. The problem is that you are a slowpoke that uses terms you don't understand. Typical anti-Semitic blood libel to see intent where there is inadvertence.

In Nigeria, our troops managed to kill almost as many people in a single day in Odi.

no wonder you became a lawyer, you obviously have problems with numbers

Mea culpa, I was assuming you multplied by 500%.

heheh more wishful thinking - you would have simply balkanized into feuding nation states i really need to go.  . .

Are you Mohamedans protecting us then? Why don't you agree to seperation from the infidels so that the infidels can proceed to balkanise into ''feuding nation states''.

Bloody parasites.

[quote author=**osisi link=topic=222345.msg3374935#msg3374935 date=1232656055]That was harsh and personal
but he started this whole Igbo Christian thing.
Let him bear it like a man[/quote]Offsprings of polygamy have questionable paternity.

i got to go. i am the last person in the office. arging with bigots may be entertining, but its ultimately  a waste of time. tomorrow, you will still post your 'we are superior to muslims crap' which you so fervently belive in, hot funmi will posyt her ridiculous blaming of the husas for all the problems of nigeris, and 4 play wil remain the prick he has always been - besides all this Nairaland Online Wrestling is getting tiring - your triple teaming is unfair - but thats the christian way - i bet you are calling more reinforcements as we speak.

Look around that your office and count how many of the technological advances are the products of Mohamedans. Idiot.

Go and circumcise your women before I count to 10. Scurry away you rodent with questionable paternity.

[quote author=**osisi link=topic=222345.msg3374866#msg3374866 date=1232655096]See these beggars on the street of Lagos with their kids.
They have Islam written all over[/quote]Do you see those ones from Niger Republic? If not for Oyb's interaction with non-Muslims, that's how he will end up. A degenerate pauper with an entourage of wives.

He keeps talking of fake drugs, MEND and Bakassi Boys, yet, it is the Mohamedans who keep shouting, ''One Nigeria''. You would think the Mohamedans will be keen to be rid of all the infidels but their parasitic selves can't do without the non-Muslims.

oyb:
see this armchair economist -equating selling fake drugs as enterprise - who dash you 500% we can see what all your governors are doing - bloody retard - if nigeria was 100% christain we'd be like congo , or maybe rwanda  

Mohamedan dunce, how is ''5 times'' equals to 500%? What a dunce, you should spend less time reading the Koran and more time expanding your brain.

oyb:


4play - are you sure you're catholic or are you just a hypocrite or even an agnostic who thrashed Islam because it makes you feel whole?
numbnuts, unlike you, i don't have to make up any tales -

Sticking your knob into pre-pubescent children and taking more than one wife is as much immoral as abortion. Abortion is far preferable when you think of the rodents Mohamedan culture breed.

oyb:
this is so typical of christains - when muslims do it shout the house down , but when christians do it make excuses, after all muslims have been dong it for decades - so its alright if we do it

osisi, see your attack dog condoning  rape and kidnapping when its done by his kind - no problem! i wonder if oil workers would agree with that , ask your white colleagues where they feel safer, the niger delta - or the north .

who dash you increase? what crap, what are you people doing down there? or are you so stupid that you equate buying western scrap and selling it at hefty markups as enterprise?

Look at a Mohamedan talking of rape and kidnapping   Your prophet kept slaves and slept with female captives, talk about condoning rape and abduction.

Whites feel safer in the North? The ones you see in your dreams or on DSTV? What an idiot.

My friend,you're a typical Mohamedan dunce. Remove the Muslims from Nigeria and income per head will automatically go up at least 5 times. You're as valuable to us as a flea is to human being. What do we gain from being yoked with you lot? Nada. Bunch of parasites.

oyb:
what nonsense, here we go again with duplictous ibos   i had like five or six ibo classmates when i was in school from polygamous homes. and these were  educated christain  ibos, not street poor.

You are excusing your menfolk's lack of self-discipline with tall tales.

must be why your men are after money, thats all that required for the nna harem na D&C - a diff kind of sin - and the aforementioned baby factory thingy that keeps your urchin population down - not christianity as you so glibly claim - please do tell where did the bakasi boys come from,

Keep talking bollocks, you are the product of the same culture of lack moral discipline, you're sorrounded by it and you reek of it. Abortion is preferable to a culture of breeding like rodents.

oyb:
yes those mend boys are on an even keel with you, they are fast turning nigeria into the souh amrericas - we coming up to par with  mexico - ain't that grand?i wonder what gang raping nysc corpers has to do with fighting for freedom, sounds like the sort of twisted reasoning a sociptah like you would endorse .you and them are the same kind of fool, bitching about abuja while turning a blind eye to your own backyard - i can just see you leading alams heros welcome

If you have a parasitic arrangement, one region produces, the rest consume, crisis will be the outcome. The biggest parasites are the Mohamedans, if you remove all the Mohamedans from Nigeria, per capita income will go up by a multiple of at least 5 - that is how parasitic you lot are.

Quit talking bollocks about the Niger-Delta, MEND haven't done anything worse than rioters in the North have been doing for decades, right back to the first religion inspired violence in what became known as Nigeria, the Muslim Jihads in the North. The Niger-Delta is still a better place than most parts of the Muslim North anyday, idiot.

olodo - the street urchins are the result of something you are pretty familiar with - fornication  ;Dwhere do you get off on commenting on my iman

There must be a surfeit of fornication in the Mohamedan community because the urchins you produce are legendary.

oyb:
this argentina dey pain you - is it because you know your states would be overrun with urchins if that idiot governors anti condom campaign was not nipped in the bud bloody crazetian

Like any Mohamedan, you cling to debunked tales. What about the urchins your domestic polygamy produced? Why not deal with them before worrying about Argentina?

oyb:
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abegi i've been to the christian south; land of never do wells community misfits  you have to hire before you can execute projects that will aid them k; and who do nothing but delay work and demand for settlement  - wonder where MEND boys come from  

MEND boys are fighting because Mohamedans won't let go. 90% of Nigeria's Govt revenue comes from their land. If you rodents weren't such parasites, there won't be any MEND.

What are your Mohamedans up North fighting for? They hear Reinhard Bonke has a ''crusade'', they start chopping off heads. There was once a riot in Bornu because an eclipse of the moon was interpreted by an Imam as Allah's warning of the iniquities of the infidel presence. Disguting lot, that is what happens when you breed like rodents and reason like rodents.

[quote author=**osisi link=topic=222345.msg3374636#msg3374636 date=1232652214]Muslims are the most backward group in Nigeria
A man that can't buy a loaf of agege bread will marry multiple wives and pop out children all over the place like cockroaches
what else do they do but turn into almajiri and alaye boys with names like mutiu and rafiu in the SW and Ahmed and Mohammed in the North.
Oyb only needs to look around and speak the truth to himself.[/quote]No point in looking around, if he looks within his own home, examples of breeding like rodents because of polygamy abound.  Yet,he has the gall to talk about Argentina.

oyb:
look at this fool - oya bring hadith that advocates female circumcison -

wonder who your model of conduct is, considering the fact that he 'died' without yoking himself to a woman - no wonder you people are so confused about sex etal.

Shut up Mohamedan, why don't you pass on that message to your fellow Mohamedans? I'm sure if you look close to home, you'll find many female genitals operated on with a blunt and unhygenic knife.

Confused about sex? It's better than turning little girls to brides and impregnating pre-teens.

oyb:
no be you - a reply to your typical hatred of muslims is akin to terrorism

jaysusislawd!

How many times do you hear of mobs shouting ''Jesus is Lord'' while slitting throats like your fellow Mohamedans with their Allahu Akbar.

As long as you stick to decapitating clitorises, nothing to fear.

oyb:
heheh when all else fails, 4play can be relied on to fall on his old fail safe - Aisha


wonder about 4plays putrid society where christianity is only on the surface - abeg get yo ass back to your  okija shrine - wonder how many osus are hiding in plain sight in your own family tree - those fake drugs you are so fond of marketing have turned your brain  

stupid crazetian  ;Dwonder where the people that burnt anambra came from   maybe you went to organize abokis to do your dirty work

Isn't your prophet the Uswa Hasana? He shouldn't have one malfeasance in his life. My friend, go and feed your litany of polygamous babies before talking about other societies, putrid Mohamedan.

Your fellow Mohamedans are slitting throats and you are busy crying for Argentina.

oyb:
olodo - go and google argentina - they once had death squads to handle the 'street children problem

Stupid Mohamedan. You mutilate reality like you guys mutilate female genitals. Is Argentina worse than Yorubaland by any socio-economic measure?

By any measure, the Argies are better than most Muslims. The Gulf Arab states you cling to are not symptomatic of the average Muslim nation. Most Muslims live in places like Indonesia, Egypt and Pakistan. Compare and contrast the average Muslim nation with the average non-Muslim nation.Idiot.

better ask your friend why he started on yorubas - maybe you should turn on him, ythes scion of nigeria's 'master   race'   Grin of course you're too bloody slow to see that - abeg go back and lie on your back in the sexuality threads and stop polluting this place.

Please, if it's cutting off your daughter's clitoris, I suggest you go and do that. Or maybe you should busy yourself looking for a 9 year old to hump like your prophet (the uswa hasana - execllent model of conduct)

oyb:
how can you have bastards running amok when you put them non the market?

At least you agree you are from a society littered with bastards. When your prophet was humping 9 year olds, he wasn't setting a good example,was he?

who knows how many nna bros kids are saying dada nd mum to non biological parents

My guy, how many of your own relatives are even monogamous? It's easier to trace lineage if you have monogamy than if you follow Mohamed's example.

who says you don't have bastards running amok? where did all those murdering bakassi vigilantes spring from or the armed robbers they were fighting Grin or perhaps they aren't bastards you people just don't know how to raise kids - i mean - look at you Grin

Where do the Muslim rioters come from? It is the putrid society you worship where girls are married off in their early teens. I'm sure you don't even have a straight forward family tree, with all the polygamy, nobody is sure who is the father of who. Stupid Mohamedan.

oyb:
my my my e dey pain you so - maybe the Argentineans should take a page from your kinsmen's book rather than breed street kids, put them on the market

pele, smelly, stinking eastern christian - maybe we should compare and contrast your domestic environment - land of bakassi boy sociopaths, professional kidnappers giving Mexicans a run for their money, and dual religious practices of Christianity and osu - look in your backyard - crazetian twerp!

Look at this slowpoke, you think Yorubaland is better than Argentina? Are you that ignorant? I suppose I shouldn't expect knowledge from a Mohamedan.

At least we don't have in our midst, bastards from polygamous families running amock in the streets because they follow a pedophile of a prophet.

Obama policy or not, Nigeria has to diversify away from oil urgently.

People keep saying that there will be other nations to pick up demand where the US slacks. The reality is that it is the emergence of India and China that will be the death knell of oil.

Escalating demand for energy will see oil prices sky rocket. The 'death' of oil will come up about because other sources of energy will be more economically viable as oil becomes pricier. Investment in alternative sources will eventually drive down the costs of these sources. Such investment increases as oil prices increase.

The oil age won't come to an end when we run out of oil. As the former Saudi oil minister in the 70s put it, ‘’The Stone Age didn’t end for lack of stone, and the oil age will end long before the world runs out of oil.’’

oyb:

the one selling oil to y'all

Look at this slowpoke. He is now associating himself with the Gulf Arabs, when you mention their state sanctioned pedophilia, lack of democracy and strict Islam, these fools will tell you they're not practising proper Islam.

btw - south american countries are the closest thing we have to 'christian ' economies

check out brazil(or is it Argentina's) legions of street children - maybe better referred to as almajiris - must be what happens when you decide to do like they wanted to do in anambra or was it enugu last year( say no to condoms as they are against God's law

Look at a putrid Nigerian Muslim mocking Brazilian/Argentinian street kids. Are the street kids in the North Jews? Instead of running to South America, which is miles better than most Muslim nations, why not compare and contrast your own domestic environment. Dumb Mohamedan.

[quote author=sleek_p link=topic=222274.msg3370844#msg3370844 date=1232574438]Its not for Nigerian Americans to shed tears cos Bush was booed. He was booed by real Americans, and he'd be booed when he ventures outside (very unlikely) America.[/quote]People that shouted ''terrorist'' at rallies against Obama, are they ''unreal'' Americans?

Simple question:

davidylan:
What are the economic advantages of prolonging the conflict? Oya negro tell us.

A tsunami of blithering[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=222266.msg3371080#msg3371080 date=1232580097]David,Stop reading news for its face value.  Go behind the print and query the intent.  I am not saying all news have some agenda behind them but when you are talking about Mid East politics you better believe it somebody had already rehearsed and proof read what is printed to make sure that nothing is given away that could come back as liability. 

I don't owe you explanation.  You owe yourself an understanding.  Have you noticed how frequent you shoot verbal assaults at other people David?  That is the brain of someone who feels intimidated by another and under the instinct of the disadvantage resorts to attack rather than engaging the person at par.  You lack knowledge and so you substitute your laxity,  which inadvertently puts you at a disadvantage and gives you an inferiority complex, with verbal assaults to convince yourself that you can match the intimidating opponent.

Promise not to use verbal assault to register your point again David.[/quote]

@David

Abeg, forget senile Gerald. This man got up in parliament during PMQ and accused Israel of the same thing after Jenin, while calling Ariel Sharon a war criminal. He later recanted some of that but he hasn't learnt his lessons.  

He reminds me of those Jews who crave photo-ops with Hamas and Hezbollah.

Sisi Jinx:
If you build it they will come. Okay but who are the theys?

Why. . .  those who will spend the money to boost the economy of course. https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/65.gif

The correct question should be, who is the ''you''? Who is going to spend all that money in Kaduna? If it's a private sector initiative, I have no problem with it but if it's the Govt, then it's obviously a waste.

Let's not get worked up anyway. Architectural masterplans abound in Nigeria like sand in the desert. This plan won't see the light of day.

I was against Israel mounting a land invasion, but having started, Israel should have pursued it to its logical conclusion. Instead, they have ended the campaign prematurely.

I hope Bibi Netanyahu gives the Livni/Barak coalition a thorough trashing in the upcoming elections.