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Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 6:32am On Aug 04
LoJ:

Beyond the physical posture, I am Asking about your real process/technique.
Focusing on breathing. Currently, I try various breathing techniques.

When I first started, I used to meditate with binaural beats and/or focus on the space on the forehead believed to be a repressed third eye. But I have stopped both.

I now explore breathing meditation.
Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 6:35am On Aug 04
gensteejay:

Focusing on breathing. Currently, I try various breathing techniques.

When I first started, I used to meditate with binaural beats and/or focus on the space on the forehead believed to be a repressed third eye. But I have stopped both.

I now explore breathing meditation.
Again baba, there are tons of breathing meditation techniques. If you don't tell me clearly what you are doing I can't be of any help.

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Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 6:40am On Aug 04
LoJ:

Again baba, there are tons of breathing meditation techniques. If you don't tell me clearly what you are doing I can't be of any help.
I don't really practise any TM technique that I know very well. I simply do breathing meditation now.

I just wanted to know if there is a TM technique you could recommend.
Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 6:44am On Aug 04
gensteejay:

I don't really practise any TM technique that I know very well. I simply do breathing meditation now.

I just wanted to know if there is a TM technique you could recommend.
What is the breathing meditation you are talking about?

In your first message you asked if you are doing it right. How can I answer that if I don't know at all what you are doing?

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Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 6:52am On Aug 04
LoJ:

What is the breathing meditation you are talking about?

In your first message you asked if you are doing it right. How can I answer that if I don't know at all what you are doing?
I am just experimenting with different techniques. This week, I tried alternate breathing meditation and Yogic (equal breathing) method.

Before then, I tried tantra (sometimes, 4-4-2, 4-16-8 ). I am just experimenting with different techniques. I haven't been able to get a (established) method that works, for TM in particular.

Then, another thing is how to know their effectiveness.
Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 7:08am On Aug 04
gensteejay:
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All the techniques you have mentioned do work when correctly and consistently applied. None of them are tantras techniques per se, but they are valuable in their own right.

In one year you have experimented too many a technique. From binaural beats to various breathing methods. This is unhealthy and non effective.

No matter the technique you use, consistency is the only thing that seperates the weak and the strong. If you are not ready to practice a single technique for 6 months at least, especially since you are a beginner, you are unlikely to see any result.

Binaural beats from YouTube are bullshit for the most part, harmful for some. Forget about that idea entirely. If you must use binaural, create your own with required softwares. I do not think though it is the right approach for you at the moment. In the order of things, certain things should happen first before the pineal activation.

I will ponder on your case to see if I can propose something.

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Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 7:11am On Aug 04
LoJ:

All the techniques you have mentioned do work. None of them are tantras techniques per se, but they are valuable in their own right.

In one year you have experimented too many a technique. From binaural beats to various breathing methods. This is unhealthy.

No matter the technique you use, consistency is the only thing that seperates the weak and the strong. If you are not ready to practice a single technique for 6 months at least, especially since you are a beginner, you are unlikely to see any result.

Binaural beats from YouTube are bullshit for the most part, harmful for some. Forget about that idea entirely. I will ponder on your case to see if I can propose something.
Thanks a lot.

I used to be a Muslim. What's the connection between the mantra one says when breathing in and out and transcending (or consciousness)? Hope you understand what I am trying to say.
Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 7:14am On Aug 04
@gensteejay

You said you are irreligious. But there seems to be a scent of Christianity around you. How come? What is your religious background? Have you been involved in any religious activities? How did you become irreligious and for how long.
Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 7:15am On Aug 04
gensteejay:
I used to be a Muslim. What's the connection between the mantra one says when breathing in and out and transcending (or consciousness)? Hope you understand what I am trying to say.
Oh you were a Muslim. My bad. I did have the impression of something related to Christ around you.

I will answer your question later, give me some time.
Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 7:23am On Aug 04
LoJ:
@gensteejay

You said you are irreligious. But there seems to be a scent of Christianity around you. How come? What is your religious background? Have you been involved in any religious activities? How did you become irreligious and for how long.
I have never been a Christian. I was born a Muslim and used to be one. I practised Islam for more than 25 years. It's going to 2 years now since I left religion.

I made that decision when I read histories of some religions, especially Islam and Christianity, and the way religion was/is used to control people (politics).

Most gods in religion, especially Jehovah and Allah, claim what they are not. Let me not even mention all the contradictions and scientific errors in Qur'an (and the Bible).
Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 7:41am On Aug 04
LoJ:

Oh you were a Muslim. My bad. I did have the impression of something related to Christ around you.

I will answer your question later, give me some time.
Yes, people say that a lot. Maybe I was a Christian in my past life grin
Re: Esoteric Paths by MuttleyLaff: 8:09am On Aug 04
LoJ:
The alchemist studies the "blocks" or the universe.

Why are Lego so popular as toy for children? They are made of bricks / blocks which you can assemble to form whatever you want. In the same way, Democritus demonstrated that the universe is made of blocks which brought together constitute all that we know or are yet to know.

The alchemist therefore learns how to bring together the blocks of the cosmos to create a desired reality. The ultimate aim being Godhood.

Unfortunately, the craft seem to be disappearing. Because of the bad reputation associated with alchemist con men, people had less and less vocation for alchemy and went for other traditions.

I am yet to see a true alchemist from the order of the greats, although I am certain there still are some.
"I previously have intimated here on NL, that TB Joshua makes use of "remote control" which this beloved Ibiyeomie, who doesnt miss a trick, uses too also.

"Remote control" is a technique to watch out for during some fake healing sessions also used in gatherings to bamboozle the gullibles with. This is when the "healer" stands ten feet or so away from unsuspecting "healees" and then manipulates the "healee's" movements with hand motions, for example, by scooting hand to the left or right, the "healee" irresistibly seems drawn to the left, or to the right. Also with the circling movement of the "healer's" hands, the "healee" is manipulated into a circle, and eventually ends up falling down into a dazed heap after a moment of spiralling out of control

"Point of contact" is another technique to watch out for. It like the "remote control" are occult healing practices and they both, are techniques adopted which are closely related to a control technique termed "mesmerism". "Mesmerism" is named after Franz Anton Mesmer (i.e. 1734-1815) an Austrian physician, who believed the human nervous system to be magnetized and so would wave his hands in front of his patients, believing that a magnetic force emanated from his hands.

These two above mentioned techniques among others, are easily spotted, used on local and international recorded satellite healing TV or YouTube broadcasts
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Nigeria, the most populous black country with almost a 200 million population and the country, except for the at least two scammers mentioned in above red inverted commas, has not positively benefited from an indigenous single person's vast knowledge of all these memerism, alchemy, etcetera and whatnot crafts. Na wa o. Hin come be like say matter, na like Alfa Imam, wey no get bia-bia, or prophet wey no sabi God case. The whole thing is just three much. Much ado about nothing.
Re: Esoteric Paths by Firefox01: 8:29am On Aug 04
LoJ:

Hello I suggest to you the following meditative practice. It is inspired from Islamic tenets and is very effective. People don't know that the Arabic Allah divine name is very rhythmic and appropriate for transcendental meditation. It facilitates the connexion with the higher self.

The caveat here is that you know how to clean your environment. If you don't, take your meditation pose and visualise a spring of water coming down on you, and taking away all filth on and around you.

Use the divine name in a rhythmic manner in pair with your breathing. That's, as you breathe in say Aah - and breathe out with - Lahh.

Do this continuously for 15-20 min for some months and watch your spiritual side become awoke.
Thanks alot man

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Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 9:26am On Aug 04
MuttleyLaff:
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Hello Muttley, thanks for your post.

I do not see the link between what you wrote (mainly about 2 Nigerian revered prophets) and my post you quoted.

Care to explain?
Re: Esoteric Paths by wickedtuna: 9:35am On Aug 04
I recently started practising meditation and i must say its very difficult being in a position for 15-20 minutes. Usually the first 5 minutes for me comes with flashes of lights even when my eyes are closed and also there is that feeling of pressure between my brows which can make me loose focus as times as it seems someone is trying to pry my eyes open. My question is, what is suppose to be the thought process during meditation, or do i just let it flow and simply focus on the breathing? @Loj thank you sir.
Re: Esoteric Paths by MuttleyLaff: 9:53am On Aug 04
LoJ:
Hello Muttley, thanks for your post.
You're welcome bro

LoJ:
I do not see the link between what you wrote (mainly about 2 Nigerian revered prophets) and my post you quoted.
Thank you for making me legitimately laugh out loud at those two scammers you referred to as "2 Nigerian revered prophets" Keep on reading further on, as in, next below, to see the link and what my complaint is about.

LoJ:
Care to explain?
When pesin dey cry, pesin still dey take eyes see road.

Nigeria, the most populous black country in the whole world wide place with almost a 200 million population and the country, has not positively benefited from an indigenous single person's contribution as a result of his/her vast knowledge of all these memerism, alchemy, etcetera and whatnot crafts. Na wa o. Hin come be like say matter, na like Alfa Imam, wey no get bia-bia, or prophet wey no sabi God case. The whole thing is just three much. Much ado about nothing. This is what I was hoping you'll be kind enough to explain away. Nigeria, from God knows when, is plagued with myriad of problems, what benefit has all these esoteric paths been to Naija, its citizenry, their holistic wellbeing and welfare hmm LoJ?
Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 10:58am On Aug 04
Religion has a way of messing up with people's intellect. Are Christianity and Islam, the 2 major religions in Nigeria, esoteric paths?

How will Nigeria not be one of the poorest countries in the world when this country, looking at its history, was set up to fail?

Only few Nigerians even care to know the history of Nigeria and see the faulty foundation upon which this country was laid by colonialists.

How do you expect a house built on faulty foundation to be strong?

How will Nigeria move forward when a sizeable percentage of citizens believe you should leave "everything" in God's hands?

We can see some of the effects of such wrong beliefs in the lives of northerners and some Yoruba Muslims, who shun birth control methods, giving birth to children they can't cater for (breeding poverty).

Northerners are the most populous ethnic group in Nigeria and determine outcomes of a lot of key political events, happening in this country.

How will the country develop with such wrong beliefs?

Maybe Nigeria will develop when the majority of us recognize that those fake gods from Israel and Arabia aren't better than our indigenous gods, and that the unity of this country needs to be negotiated/discussed.

God has no religion and there are truths in all religions. People should stop leading a hypocritical life, thinking in their ignorance and arrogance, that their religion is superior to others.

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Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 12:01am On Aug 05
Hello guys, I am a bit taken at the moment, I will Adress your issues as soon as I have enough time for it.

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Re: Esoteric Paths by budaatum: 6:44pm On Aug 05
LoJ:
The alchemist studies the "blocks" or the universe.

Why are Lego so popular as toy for children? They are made of bricks / blocks which you can assemble to form whatever you want. In the same way, Democritus demonstrated that the universe is made of blocks which brought together constitute all that we know or are yet to know.

The alchemist therefore learns how to bring together the blocks of the cosmos to create a desired reality. The ultimate aim being Godhood.

Unfortunately, the craft seem to be disappearing. Because of the bad reputation associated with alchemist con men, people had less and less vocation for alchemy and went for other traditions.

I am yet to see a true alchemist from the order of the greats, although I am certain there still are some.
It is not disappearing! Alchemy is about personal transformation, and is one of those things not easily explained. It is however embedded in most religions in one way or another.

Although the alchemists' fundamental goal of elemental transmutation was flawed, on a deeper level the work of alchemy (cloaked in allegorical images) also represented the transformation of the soul. Modern science has accomplished the transmutation of elements using means that the alchemists never dreamed of. And there is still a small group of occult researchers who persist in trying to continue the work. The documents of alchemy make fascinating reading for historians of science and the esoteric.

Link to further reading.

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Re: Esoteric Paths by budaatum: 6:56pm On Aug 05
Swimming was my meditation method. Nothing cleared my mind better than 100 laps of a 50m pool. It involves breathing and use of many muscles and after a while the mind empties. Pity I can't swim no more because I almost died swimming in schistosomiasis infested water so now it's walking, which, unless done in the middle of the night is full of distractions.

One must understand why one meditates. If you think it would make transport cheap, a la astral travelling, I strongly suggest you buy a car or you'd be stuck in one place!

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Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 4:36am On Aug 06
MuttleyLaff:
what benefit has all these esoteric paths been to Naija, its citizenry, their holistic wellbeing and welfare hmm LoJ?

What benefit has all the chemistry and biology classes brought to Nigeria? Chemistry is taught in Nigeria, right from High School. Have nigerians developped Ebola Cure? Or Yellow Fever cure? Or anything of world wide class?

Now who should we blame? Chemistry itself for being bad, or the people for not applying it usefully?

You see, I changed your question with another term, for you to see how ridiculous it is, to blame esoteric paths, because of the unproductivity of some of the people that use it.

If you think, esoteric knowledge has never been used for the good of Nigeria, do not blame Esoterica, blame the people misusing it, because in some other places, esoterica has been put to very good use.

Cheers

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Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 9:10am On Aug 06
wickedtuna:
I recently started practising meditation and i must say its very difficult being in a position for 15-20 minutes. Usually the first 5 minutes for me comes with flashes of lights even when my eyes are closed and also there is that feeling of pressure between my brows which can make me loose focus as times as it seems someone is trying to pry my eyes open. My question is, what is suppose to be the thought process during meditation, or do i just let it flow and simply focus on the breathing? @Loj thank you sir.
Hello dear one,

You should take a position you are comfortable with. Unless you are following a specific path with specific instructions, for an ordinary meditation any comfortable position where your vertabral column is straight and your focus optimal is good. Of course depending on the goal, some positions are better than others, and some mudras bring our desired results faster. But in general terms, any position meeting the aforementioned requirements will do.

The flashes of light you describe is a normal phenomenon. The caveat here is you do not fantasize and imagine them yourself. If that is the case, then it means your pineal gland is getting activated. This is usually one of the first signs.

Again the pressure between your brows is another sign of impending opening of the third eye.

I suggest that you forget about all that and keep doing your meditation practice. If you need to change something, you will surely receive instructions to.

Concerning the thought process, you are not supposed to be thinking during meditation. You think all day even while asleep. Meditation is time for you to stop thinking and start living and experiencing. So in meditating one distances itself from the thought process until one gets to the place the real self is awakened.

Good luck

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Re: Esoteric Paths by wickedtuna: 1:07pm On Aug 06
LoJ:

Hello dear one,

You should take a position you are comfortable with. Unless you are following a specific path with specific instructions, for an ordinary meditation any comfortable position where your vertabral column is straight and your focus optimal is good. Of course depending on the goal, some positions are better than others, and some mudras bring our desired results faster. But in general terms, any position meeting the aforementioned requirements will do.

The flashes of light you describe is a normal phenomenon. The caveat here is you do not fantasize and imagine them yourself. If that is the case, then it means your pineal gland is getting activated. This is usually one of the first signs.

Again the pressure between your brows is another sign of impending opening of the third eye.

I suggest that you forget about all that and keep doing your meditation practice. If you need to change something, you will surely receive instructions to.

Concerning the thought process, you are not supposed to be thinking during meditation. You think all day even while asleep. Meditation is time for you to stop thinking and start living and experiencing. So in meditating one distances itself from the thought process until one gets to the place the real self is awakened.

Good luck
wow!
Re: Esoteric Paths by Thugaa: 3:41pm On Aug 06
LoJ:
Let's now look at free masonry perhaps the most renowned of them all.

Free masons are first of all masons. It is the craft of those that want to build, build their spiritual bodies first then that is co - create, co-build with the divine. Each one hence learn the craft and attempts to build a world that reflects noble ideas, Freedom equality self realization. A free Mason therefore learns to be free and be a builder.

As a side note, the building of America as an idea(l) and as a place was largely derived from the inner workings of free masonry, just as much of the construction of old Europe is indebted to Rosicrucianism.

The question remains why are these esoteric groups so much associated with all kinds of evils, especially in African climes. Before we adress that, let's deal with Eckankar as requested by a reader.

Eckankar is in my opinion, another one of the numerous religious groups that are birthed from time to time and usually capture those that are disenchanted with traditional religions, but are too afraid to go to hardcore esoteric paths such as the ones aforementioned. Other such groups include the Mormons, the gnosis of Samael aun weor, the Grail message etc.

They are usually a watered down version of some deeper esoteric path, or a modern mixture of them. In the case of Eckankar, one can't fail to see it draws inspiration from hindouism and tantra but highly watered down and modernized.

The famous chanting of HU, is actually a modern version of the mantra of OM (pronounced HAUM) which is believed to be the primary sound in the creation of the cosmos. Some gurus also "anoint" special words for their adherent who will thus easily join an Astral created Kingdom of theirs.

I am not saying it can't be useful to adhere to Eckankar. I am just giving my honest opinion about the school. Any path can be useful to a seeker, just as any path can be dangerous to the frivolous. The lips of the master opens right when the ear of the student are ready.
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Re: Esoteric Paths by foxe(m): 4:06pm On Aug 06
LoJ:

Hello dear one,

You should take a position you are comfortable with. Unless you are following a specific path with specific instructions, for an ordinary meditation any comfortable position where your vertabral column is straight and your focus optimal is good. Of course depending on the goal, some positions are better than others, and some mudras bring our desired results faster. But in general terms, any position meeting the aforementioned requirements will do.

The flashes of light you describe is a normal phenomenon. The caveat here is you do not fantasize and imagine them yourself. If that is the case, then it means your pineal gland is getting activated. This is usually one of the first signs.

Again the pressure between your brows is another sign of impending opening of the third eye.

I suggest that you forget about all that and keep doing your meditation practice. If you need to change something, you will surely receive instructions to.

Concerning the thought process, you are not supposed to be thinking during meditation. You think all day even while asleep. Meditation is time for you to stop thinking and start living and experiencing. So in meditating one distances itself from the thought process until one gets to the place the real self is awakened.

Good luck
thought cannot be stopped. You can only observe it. Just my own opinion �

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Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 5:39am On Aug 07
Thugaa:
Thumbs up
Are you in the craft?
Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 6:28am On Aug 07
LoJ:


The question remains why are these esoteric groups so much associated with all kinds of evils, especially in African climes. Before we adress that, let's deal with Eckankar as requested by a reader..
Please, address that question, sir.

Thanks a lot.
Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 6:36am On Aug 07
gensteejay:
Please, address that question, sir.

Thanks a lot.
follow the link, I already answered it

https://www.nairaland.com/5095694/esoteric-paths/1#76989756

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Re: Esoteric Paths by AmunaNo1: 12:25pm On Aug 15
LoJ:
follow the link, I already answered it

https://www.nairaland.com/5095694/esoteric-paths/1#76989756

Another Question

Could you tell us a little more about the Visuddi Chakra?

What Sadhana is required to activate this?

What are the effects of being strong in the Visuddi?
Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 5:09pm On Aug 16
AmunaNo1:
Could you tell us a little more about the Visuddi Chakra?

What Sadhana is required to activate this?

What are the effects of being strong in the Visuddi?
Hello there, thank you for your interesting question. I believe you have a yogic background or are following a yogic teacher.

As you likely already know, chakras a connection points between the cosmic grid and our various bodies. There are about 118 (it depends on the perspective, some include out of physical bodies chakras, some do not) of such points in our system. Out of this about 114 have to be activated for us to reach Christ consciousness.

Out of all of them, there are seven that are aligned along what is known as the central pillar. Indeed there are the left right and central pillar. Every seeker usually start by building the 7 chakras of the central pillar. Whether in kabbalah, masonry, tantra, yoga, it is a fundamental aspect of it all.

Visuddi is situated at the level of the throat. In Kabbala it is called Daat. It is one of the last steps before the third eye opening and the subsequent christ consciousness.

Daat is knowledge. It helps us differentiate between genuine spiritual experience and mere fantasy. Many seekers are lost in their self constructed fantasy while sincerely believing in the genuineness of their experience.

Daat is also reported to be the source of youth and immortality. It is believed that the poison that causes death in our body resides there. A successfully activated Daat helps one transcend time and slow down the effect of ageing.

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Re: Esoteric Paths by gensteejay(m): 11:37am On Aug 17
Don't trust anything online without first scrutinizing it, especially if such is coming from foreigners/non-African people.

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Re: Esoteric Paths by LoJ: 11:18pm On Aug 17
AmunaNo1:
Could you tell us a little more about the Visuddi Chakra?

What Sadhana is required to activate this?

What are the effects of being strong in the Visuddi?
I believe I have answered your questions, except the bolded. I purposefully left it aside because I wanted to make a seperate general comment on that.

You see, you have to see chakras as a holistic system, not as individual abilities enhancers. This means all chakras are related to each other and a change in one fosters a change in the whole system.

He ce, one should be careful while looking for a technique to activate a specific chakra, as that can be dangerous. The chakra can indeed be successfully activated, but is the whole System ready for that?

That's why, it is suggested to rather look for "saddhanas" and practices that will rather help one build the whole system and activate the whole chakras, one after the other in the right order. This will prevent hindrances and problems along the way.

One of such practice are the so called bija mantra series. Tell me if you need them.

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