TATIME:
Thanks buda for this historical research!
All of these is of no use to the so called born agains of nowadays, all they just want to hear is that whatever Jesus talked about with a tone of favoritism belongs to theme!
So instead of going for further research to fully grasp what actually happened back then, they are claiming Jesus is speaking to each of them in person. And to worsen the matter, their so called Revelations contradicts one another, yet they're still claiming God purposely arranged it like that!
Therefore any insinuation of one single channel infiltrates the fury in them as they just want everyone to keep saying "even though we continue contradicting ourselves, it is well in Jesus name"

TATIME:
That is why we are saying only our organization have the TRUTH!
All the Apostles including Paul died before 90ce, John only survived because Jesus promised to reveal some sacred secrets to the congregation through John. John 21:22-23
You need to make research to know how and when the Apostles died, so that all of these won't be strange to you!

budaatum:

Did you no see "your friend" cut his own throat?
I must worship least more die.

shadeyinka:

There is no organisation in this world that is worthy to hinge once faith upon. Our faith should be in Jesus Christ and His words written in the Scriptures. ECWA, Baptist, Deeper life, Redeemed Christian fellowship etc are not infallible just as any other organizations. Only the word of God is perfect and should be obeyed without question.

I would build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it says Jesus Christ.

You will discover that there is no single Scripture that says the authority of the church will be handled by any single organisation. This so called organisation is usurping the power of the Scriptures, claiming to be the only true organisation. Is that really the truth? And what is the basis of that conclusion?

Shalom!

TATIME:
I remember that Maximus answered those two questions in previous posts!
The truth is there are individuals who love to worship with their fellow humans, but don't want any further commitment. You will find many of them around the neighbourhood, and if we find such persons in our midst, we will direct them to go and join the none denominationals. They belong to your side!
There are also individuals who will give it all it takes to worship with their fellow humans where there is strong commitment as in bond amongst the worshipers. These are the ones we're searching for. So if you notice such a person in your neighbourhood, please help us tell him/her "you belong to the GROUP of Jehovah's Witnesses" because we will locate him and our presentation will hook him!

shadeyinka:


Only Jesus could have said it better!
Mat 23:15:
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
That's Jesus' statement for sure and it always suit our hearts when people quote His words for us.
Thanks shadeyinka.
May the TRUE God bless you abundantly for quoting the words of our Lord and King!

shadeyinka:

The only problem is, I doubt we share the same Jesus!

TATIME:
That's no problem Sir!
Jesus said there are just two roads. Matthew 7:13-14
(1) The broad way. This road is wide and spacious so you can switch to any lane of your choice on this broad road.
(2) The narrow way. This road is just a single lane therefore you can't switch nowhere than to follow strictly behind those in front of you.
The same Jesus later said many people will call him Lord and even perform mighty works in His name, yet He will disown them as "workers of iniquity or lawlessness" Matthew 7:21-23
So it is clear that Jesus himself knew before now that there will be lots of misconceptions regarding His teachings when He declared Himself as THE WAY{ John 14:6} therefore it's left for each person to examine himself and his personal analogy about Jesus if one is on the BROAD or NARROW way! 1John 4:1

shadeyinka:

I guess you are still assuming that we refer to the same Jesus:
Your Jesus is a certain Angel Micheal who is supposed to be the brother of Satan.

My own Jesus is NOT an Angel, He is the WORD and GOD almighty who created everything seen and unseen including Angels Gabriel, Micheal and Even Lucifer. He the same one who came in flesh to Abraham with two of His angels to speak about Sodom and Gomorrah.

We serve two different Jesus Christ: and your ways is not Different from that of the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star or the Mormons. Birds of the same feather!

TATIME:
Well i've been following this thread from page one, and i think you and Maximus have both made enough presentations to help all followers see the differences between the doctrines of JWs courtesy Maximus and Christendom courtesy shadeyinka.
If both of you were allowed to judge based on what you think of each others stand, i'm sure he couldn't have seen you any way better than what you just described.
One thing that i know is what Jesus Himself said "By their fruit, you will know"
Please let's leave the judgement in Jesus' hands, you and i know fully well that "Jesus is the BEST judge!"

Maximus69:
I wonder o!
He is always judgmental against whoever has contrary opinion.
Thank God everyone can see his attitude and the spirit he keep displaying. He can't just calmly present his beliefs without judging the opposite side. Every follower can see that you and JWs aren't on the same page.
So there is no point judging since you can't be a co~debator and at the same time the judge!

TATIME:
I really feel for him!
He is so hurt to the marrow seeing a group who are zealously preaching and teaching about Jesus, and not only that this group can fully explain what they're doing (globally) as one happy family, yet they don't give a bleep about all that he cherishes (miracles) which he claims to have performed in the name of that same Jesus!
So he is boiling hot inside just as i used to feel back then as a Muslim when i see people claiming they're worshipers of God, yet reject Muhammad. A witness read and narrated how Cain felt about Abel {Genesis 4:1-16} from that day onward i said to myself "if truthfully i'm on God's side, i need not feel this hurt simply because someone disagrees with me on religious doctrines" Luke 9:51-56 compared to John 4:20-22
Well Paul said it all { 1Corinthians 3:6-7} if he belongs to the fold i'm sure one day he will have a thorough meditation on all of these to reconsider why it is profitable to be swift in hearing, slow in response and slow to anger! James 1:19-20
So do not discourage him from arguing with JWs, who knows if that is his only saving grace. He may see reasons why we choose to be happy with one global group of like minded worshipers! 1Corinthians 1:10 Ephesians 4:3

Maximus69:
Tatime! Tatime!! Tatime!!!
You know i always love reading your comments a lot.
Hmmm, no wonder budaatum {a former atheist} feels like having you always participating in all that is been said in the forum. That's what i've leant from you within the past few months CALMNESS in the face of fierce Criticism.
Thanks for the enlightenment my GOOD brother, God bless you!

TATIME:
Na na na na na na!
Maximus, only JEHOVAH is GOOD! Mark 10:18

Maximus69:

Hmmm, no wonder budaatum {a former atheist} feels like having you always participating in all that is been said in the forum.

TATIME:

One thing that i know is what Jesus Himself said "By their fruit, you will know"
Please let's leave the judgement in Jesus' hands, you and i know fully well that "Jesus is the BEST judge!"

Maximus69:
I wonder o! He is always judgmental against whoever has contrary opinion.
Thank God everyone can see his attitude and the spirit he keep displaying. He can't just calmly present his beliefs without judging the opposite side.
Every follower can see that you and JWs aren't on the same page.
So there is no point judging since you can't be a co~debator and at the same time the judge!

TATIME: Well i've been following this thread from page one, and i think you and Maximus have both made enough presentations to help all followers see the differences between the doctrines of JWs courtesy Maximus and Christendom courtesy shadeyinka.
If both of you were allowed to judge based on what you think of each others stand, i'm sure he couldn't have seen you any way better than what you just described.
One thing that i know is what Jesus Himself said "By their fruit, you will know"
Please let's leave the judgement in Jesus' hands, you and i know fully well that "Jesus is the BEST judge!"

budaatum:

I actually wonder why argue about words in a book they all believe but do not practise amongst one another.

Emusan:

See hypocrisy written all over their statements.
When it pleases them they turn themselves to God by judging others and condemn them as fake Jesus' followers but when they were pressed they tell you, you are judgmental against those who have contrary opinion to yours and please let's leave the judgement to the hands of Jesus as Jesus is the BEST judge.
Yet these are the people who see themselves as the only TRUE WORSHIPPERS of God.

Maximus69:
The word BELIEVE eludes their intellect. Because it connotes something AGREED upon like a DEFINITION. Matthew 18:20
So in the actual sense, if two or three persons gather together and they can't come to a conclusive agreement binding on all concerned, definitely they don't BELIEVE in that gathering as worthwhile!
That is why they continued to mock Jesus and they keep scattering {Matthew 12:30} as they are deceiving on another after disagreeing on serious sacred matters! You will hear them say 'we're worshiping the same Jesus' but it's evident that that's not what each of them truthfully have in mind!
Adam and Eve ate the fruit of good and evil, this means each of them have concluded in their minds NEVER to take instructions from their creator anymore. Those following their footsteps are referred to as teachers or students of human traditions, they believe in setting personal standards, that is why they can't come together as on happy global family like JWs.
Shadeyinka said 'i worship with ECWA but church doctrine don't define me' meaning you shouldn't expect 100% compliance from me regarding the teachings of any church. Whereas he claims to believe that the church is under the supervision of Jesus!
So why NOT in 100% compliance to the church that's monitored by Christ?
The answer is 'he wants to be independent like Adam and Eve, to set personal standards on rights and wrong' which is the main cause of the incessant friction you're seeing in their midst!
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever detests 100% compliance to the standard agreed upon, there is no way such can worship our own God acceptably! Ephesians 4:5-6

shadeyinka:

I only follow the Scripture below to no apology to any church or person.
Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."
Just like the Jehovah's Witnesses in this regard are
1. The Mormons (The Church of the Latter days Saints)
2. Olumba Olumba (The Church of the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star)
3. The Moonies
They all have a mandate to conform 100% to whatever their leadership speaks often in disharmony with the Scriptures.
I rest my case as this is your yardstick for being Christ's!

Maximus69:
Why do you people love falsely accusing others?
Jehovah's Witnesses aren't saying 'we're the only true worshipers of God'
Of course there are many Gods and many Lords! 1Corinthians 8:5
You can claim that yours is the one and only true one just as your friend said earlier.
But as regards JEHOVAH our own God, you can't possibly worship him without 100% compliance to the standards and principles agreed upon within us. Matthew 16:19
That is EXACTLY what we're saying, so don't get it twisted Sir!

Maximus69:
The word BELIEVE eludes their intellect. Because it connotes something AGREED upon like a DEFINITION. Matthew 18:20
So in the actual sense, if two or three persons gather together and they can't come to a conclusive agreement binding on all concerned, definitely they don't BELIEVE in that gathering as worthwhile!
That is why they continued to mock Jesus and they keep scattering {Matthew 12:30} as they are deceiving on another after disagreeing on serious sacred matters! You will hear them say 'we're worshiping the same Jesus' but it's evident that that's not what each of them truthfully have in mind!
Adam and Eve ate the fruit of good and evil, this means each of them have concluded in their minds NEVER to take instructions from their creator anymore. Those following their footsteps are referred to as teachers or students of human traditions, they believe in setting personal standards, that is why they can't come together as on happy global family like JWs.
Shadeyinka said 'i worship with ECWA but church doctrine don't define me' meaning you shouldn't expect 100% compliance from me regarding the teachings of any church. Whereas he claims to believe that the church is under the supervision of Jesus!
So why NOT in 100% compliance to the church that's monitored by Christ?
The answer is 'he wants to be independent like Adam and Eve, to set personal standards on rights and wrong' which is the main cause of the incessant friction you're seeing in their midst!
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever detests 100% compliance to the standard agreed upon, there is no way such can worship our own God acceptably! Ephesians 4:5-6

Maximus69:
Micah 4:5 !

Emusan:

Yet these are the people who see themselves as the only TRUE WORSHIPPERS of God.

Emusan:


Frustration of a hypocrite!

You said to him "He can't just calmly present his beliefs without judging the opposite side."

How many times have you CALMLY PRESENTED your belief without judging the opposite side?

budaatum:

I see the problem. I was told I can't be a Online JW self after showing my certification, and was told I'm "certainly NOT worshiping our own God JEHOVAH. Period! " It is rather odd if the same person says, "leave the judgement in Jesus' hands".

Should one not think that when one is condemning?

Someone explain the essence of this verse to me please.

Maximus69:
That's the point my dear!
You can now see that we're not forcing people to join us, neither are we stopping them from worshiping anyway they're pleased nor saying they are not worshiping God.
What we are saying is 'there are rules guiding our own form of worship, whoever is not in 100% compliance to the rules CANNOT possibly worship our own God acceptably' period!
So to worship our own God correctly, you must join our organization and comply with all the rules guiding our organization!
We don't care whatever you conclude afterwards, that's the standard and it will NEVER change!

budaatum:

I see the problem. I was told I can't be a Online JW self after showing my certification, and was told I'm "certainly NOT worshiping our own God JEHOVAH. Period! " It is rather odd if the same person says, "leave the judgement in Jesus' hands".

Should one not think that when one is condemning?

Someone explain the essence of this verse to me please.

Maximus69:

So to worship our own God correctly, you must join our organization and comply with all the rules guiding our organization!

shadeyinka:

You are right and correct as the God you serve is also shared by the following organisations

1. The Mormons (The Church of the Latter days Saints)
2. Olumba Olumba (The Church of the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star)
3. The Moonies