Abcruz:


"Blessed are you, *imagrg* ! For flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in the heavens.--Mathew 16:17

And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”--John 8:32

Offpoint1:

Now read that Matthew 16:17 you cited and tell me why you still claim Jesus is God, instead of a son of God.

If Jesus is God then who was His father he was referring to?

Offpoint1:

The way you guys misquote or misunderstood the Bible is annoying to me.

How can Jesus be God and still be the son of God at the same?

How can Jesus be God and still cried out at the cross "Father why have you forsaken me"?

How can Jesus be God and still "sitted by the right hand of God in heaven"?

How can Jesus be God and when he was called "Good Master" he rebuked and refer to God as the Good master?

How can Jesus be God and still said he was send by his father to do his father works?


A lot of Christians don't have the understanding of the Bible, even when Jesus was on earth he never for once claimed to be God but rather a son of God.

Whenever I try to raise and correct this issue in church, they started looking at me as someone who's posses. I always ended up being told and read John 1 and genesis 1 down to.

When you said your father property is yours doesn't really mean you are your father in his person.

JESUS (WAS) IS A SON OF GOD AND NOT A SERVANT OR GOD.

MyVILLAGEpeople:


Not again. Religious folks in Africa are gradually going insane. Just listen to this OP.

imagrg:
My Personal Encounter With Jesus

On the 8th of June this year, last weekend precisely, I composed a write-up titled "Stop Calling Jesus God" which I intended posting on Nairaland but because there was no network at that instance, I had to leave it on my notepad pending when network would be back.

My intention was to prove to the world, using my own misconstrued ideas, that Jesus was a mere messenger of God and not God Himself; what stopped this publication was beyond my imagination: my Samsung Galaxy Tab A suddenly became so hot like it never had been. So terribly hot even without putting on the internet.

I began to wonder what was really happening.
It later occurred to me to wipe off the write-up. Behold! When I deleted the piece, my tablet that was previously so hot returned to it normal state. This led me to believe that my opinion could be wrong. My new position now is that 'JESUS IS LORD!'. I now have no doubt about that!

PRAISE THE LORD!

Abcruz:


Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?--John 14:9

Just as man is made up of body, soul and spirit.
God is made up of father, son and spirit and they are one. This means that the very nature and character of the father is undoubtedly reflected in the son . It is for this reason that God is considered HOLY(one with himself)

NovusHomo:


Jesus was a product of a fertile and fantastic imagination.

Abcruz:

I and the Father are one."--John 10:30
You see the truth but you have chosen to suit yourself with lies.

Offpoint1:


The quoted is what I needed, the characters of the father definitely reflected in Jesus but doesn't make Jesus in person the father.

You should understand they're 3 characters in one:
God himself [The father]
Jesus the son
And Holy Spirit.
and these characters work in one.
like saying if you see me you see my son, he does things the way I do things. there's no difference between me and him. This doesn't make my son me IN PERSON.

It's Biblically wrong to say Jesus is God in person, while Jesus himself make references to God in many occasions in the Bible. You can say He's is God in CHARACTER not IN PERSON

We are just misquoting or misunderstanding the Bible

MONIKERREVEALER:


listen up!!!

Jesus is the spitting image of the Father!!!

just like your body and your spirit resemble each other perfectly to a third-party observer!!!

Jesus is the body, the Holy Spirit the spirit and the Father in heaven the soul of the tripartite unit called God!!!

none can exist without the other just as an alive person cannot survive without the body, soul and spirit together!!!

Offpoint1:


The quoted is what I needed, the characters of the father definitely reflected in Jesus but doesn't make Jesus in person the father.

You should understand they're 3 characters in one:
God himself [The father]
Jesus the son
And Holy Spirit.
and these characters work in one.
like saying if you see me you see my son, he does things the way I do things. there's no difference between me and him. This doesn't make my son me IN PERSON.

It's Biblically wrong to say Jesus is God in person, while Jesus himself make references to God in many occasions in the Bible. You can say He's is God in CHARACTER not IN PERSON

We are just misquoting or misunderstanding the Bible

Offpoint1:

Your the list intelligent of all those I've been engaging in this topic.

What are the lies I suit myself with?
everything I listed there aren't they in your own version of Bible?

imagrg:
My Personal Encounter With Jesus

On the 8th of June this year, last weekend precisely, I composed a write-up titled "Stop Calling Jesus God" which I intended posting on Nairaland but because there was no network at that instance, I had to leave it on my notepad pending when network would be back.

My intention was to prove to the world, using my own misconstrued ideas, that Jesus was a mere messenger of God and not God Himself; what stopped this publication was beyond my imagination: my Samsung Galaxy Tab A suddenly became so hot like it never had been. So terribly hot even without putting on the internet.

I began to wonder what was really happening.
It later occurred to me to wipe off the write-up. Behold! When I deleted the piece, my tablet that was previously so hot returned to it normal state. This led me to believe that my opinion could be wrong. My new position now is that 'JESUS IS LORD!'. I now have no doubt about that!

PRAISE THE LORD!

imagrg:
My Personal Encounter With Jesus

On the 8th of June this year, last weekend precisely, I composed a write-up titled "Stop Calling Jesus God" which I intended posting on Nairaland but because there was no network at that instance, I had to leave it on my notepad pending when network would be back.

My intention was to prove to the world, using my own misconstrued ideas, that Jesus was a mere messenger of God and not God Himself; what stopped this publication was beyond my imagination: my Samsung Galaxy Tab A suddenly became so hot like it never had been. So terribly hot even without putting on the internet.

I began to wonder what was really happening.
It later occurred to me to wipe off the write-up. Behold! When I deleted the piece, my tablet that was previously so hot returned to it normal state. This led me to believe that my opinion could be wrong. My new position now is that 'JESUS IS LORD!'. I now have no doubt about that!

PRAISE THE LORD!

Abcruz:


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.--John 1:1

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us...--John 1:14

The Trinity of God cannot be fully analyzed neither can it be fully understood by the scenarios on earth.

Do you now call Jesus Christ a liar and renders his word a blasphemy when he has emphatically stated that "I and the father are one."--John 10:30

Judge for yourself!

Abcruz:


No they are not.
Jesus is Lord forever!!!

Offpoint1:

Just pray God should open your eyes to understand the Bible in your own way, not the same way you've been taught from ages.

I know those verses you quoted, that's what I always get when I raised this question in Sunday school. just ask God to give you more knowledge to clearly understand those verses you quoted.

Most Christians have no personal understanding of the Bible, rather than what they've been taught from time to time... that's where the problem lies.

Offpoint1:

They are not? In your Bible Jesus didn't cry out on the cross asking "Father why have thou forsaken"?


you've been reading Quran then

Abcruz:


The basis of your points in asserting the position of Jesus Christ were scripturally inconsistent.

"How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.--Jeremiah 8:8

imagrg:
My Personal Encounter With Jesus

On the 8th of June this year, last weekend precisely, I composed a write-up titled "Stop Calling Jesus God" which I intended posting on Nairaland but because there was no network at that instance, I had to leave it on my notepad pending when network would be back.

My intention was to prove to the world, using my own misconstrued ideas, that Jesus was a mere messenger of God and not God Himself; what stopped this publication was beyond my imagination: my Samsung Galaxy Tab A suddenly became so hot like it never had been. So terribly hot even without putting on the internet.

I began to wonder what was really happening.
It later occurred to me to wipe off the write-up. Behold! When I deleted the piece, my tablet that was previously so hot returned to it normal state. This led me to believe that my opinion could be wrong. My new position now is that 'JESUS IS LORD!'. I now have no doubt about that!

PRAISE THE LORD!

Offpoint1:

And that make Jesus God himself? then who's that that sitted at the right hand side of God?

MONIKERREVEALER:


the name "God" applies to every member of the Godhead (generic), with the Father being the number one member of the Godhead!!!

Christ is the number two and the Holy Spirit the number three!!!

they are all mutually existent and interchangeable!!!

the Father and the Holy Spirit both dwell FULLY inside the body of Jesus Christ!!

when you see Christ, you have seen the Father just the same way as when I look at you, I have seen your soul and spirit!!!

I don't have to eviscerate you before I see the soul and spirit inside of you!!!

ALL the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ Jesus in bodily form!!!

read the book of Revelation chapter three and observe how the interrelatedness of Christ and the Father is succinctly described!!! ( the book of Daniel is there as a control for your experiment)

NO member of the Godhead can exist alone!!!

sorry for the late reply, I was engaged

Offpoint1:

Sorry I'm still not satisfied with this answer regarding to my question about who then sitted by the right hand of God. Your narrative didn't really give me a satisfactory answer.

Even as Christians God can dwell in us, the Holy Spirit can swell in us that doesn't make us God in PERSON.

Jesus cried out on the cross saying "Father, father why has thou forsaken me"
What does this mean? following your narrative.

imagrg:
My Personal Encounter With Jesus

On the 8th of June this year, last weekend precisely, I composed a write-up titled "Stop Calling Jesus God" which I intended posting on Nairaland but because there was no network at that instance, I had to leave it on my notepad pending when network would be back.

My intention was to prove to the world, using my own misconstrued ideas, that Jesus was a mere messenger of God and not God Himself; what stopped this

publication was beyond my imagination: my Samsung Galaxy Tab A suddenly became so hot like it never had been. So terribly hot even without putting on the internet.

I began to wonder what was really happening.
It later occurred to me to wipe off the write-up. Behold! When I deleted the piece, my tablet that was previously so hot returned to it normal state. This led me to believe that my opinion could be wrong. My new position now is that 'JESUS IS LORD!'. I now have no doubt about that!

PRAISE THE LORD!

MONIKERREVEALER:


John chapter 1 verse 1: in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word was with God in the beginning!!!

Jesus (the Word) is God!!!

at the bolded portion of your post, are you saying that because God lives in Christians that God cannot exist without Christians?!!!

God cannot exist if any of the three members of the Godhead is missing (impossible scenario)!!!

apologies for the wrong/non-specific quotations I gave you. please read chapter 5 of Revelation and chapter 7 of Daniel. you can start from chapter 4 of Revelation for more clarity.

I am done!!!

D1zion:
mmm mmm I don't think you're right on this,every child of God is a god not God.God with the small 'g'&not the big 'G'.am I right?

Abcruz:


Every child of God is a god

I say, ‘You are gods; you are all children of the Most High.--psalm 82:6

soulpeppersoup:


Do you know that the Hebrew word God in Psalms 82:1 and that use for gods in Psalms 82:6 is the same. And it's Elohyim.

gods has no relationship with God.

In Genesis God said and let them bring forth after their kind.

god is not a kind of God.

Offpoint1:
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