budaatum:
My claim from the beginning of this thread is that God never told nor gave anyone a reason for what God did, and that what we read in the quoted text is precisely one person's opinion about what happened and God never killed anyone, not even those you listed, which is the equivalent of the history of Biafra as written by the conquering looters!

jcross19:
so those kids are wicked!

OpenYourEyes1:
His compassion is not an excuse to continue living in sin. Haven't you heard of the global flood of Noah, (with unbelievable evidences around the world)?. Haven't you heard of Sodom and Gomorrah? Haven't you heard that millions of people are still hell? We need to stop deceiving our filthy selves

MuttleyLaff:
Here is the deal, right?
First, God sent to those bears in accordance with the curses associated with the covenant between Him and the Israelites. Elisha only activated those curses that triggerred and set the wild animal bears to come after their misbehaving young men adult children

Second, dont attribute an adjective that is not becoming of God to Him. God is not evil, is not wicked and God certainly isnt ruthless. Nwanne capisce?

Shepherd00:

They were young men not kids. And they were 42 Satanic sponsored young men to one man. They got what was coming to them.

Its obvious they were doing that often, but met their Waterloo.

MuttleyLaff:
What are you on about with this comment. What crime against humanity are you talking off here. Are you aware of the historical story of those young men's town or city? Can you imagine how Abraham and Jacob would have felf in their graves at the rebuffs of these young men, hmm? What injustice against the poor in the old testament in relation to this unnecessary tragic event brought upon themselves did Jesus condemn?

Shepherd00:

But, YHWH said he wiped them from the land because of their sins.

Are you saying some writer lied against YHWH?

budaatum:

Why do you lie Shepherd? Is it not the truth that you read in a book that someone wrote that YHWH said that "he wiped them from the land because of their sins"?

The writer wrote what the writer understood and wanted you to read Shepherd.

jcross19:
can you see then why are you blaming book haram? Who killed for abusing their religion and their god?

MuttleyLaff:
They werent kids, these were young men on a concerted attack and organised mission that God and His prophet representing Him, are not wanted, would not be tolerated, are not welcome in their city.

Nothing hilarious in this tragic incident, but quite a lot to learn from and out of it, I'll say.

There isnt any struggle in explaining the passage. The passage is more like, if you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

They werent children, they were youths, young men, about same age as Elisha in fact, when the bears attacked.

Death is inevitable. Something must kill a man. Death will come and is mandatory too

Death is a universal truth that can never be defied. We cant change this truth, we all are born with limited breath. Weirdly enough, when you come to think of of it, there are no punishment far worse than death.

They were killed, mauled by the bears. The young men were frozen to the spot with fright when the bears appeared. They likely wanted to run but their feet were literally rooted to the ground, as if glued to the spot and locked-in to the ground. They couldnt run, because they were paralysed out of fear of seeing two blood thirsty bears baying for their puny hide and arse.

Ecclesiastes 7:17 states that: "Do not excel at wickedness, nor be a fool. Why die before your time?"

Those young men got their comeuppance. They carelessly shortened their lives by their bad and/or foolish actions. Abraham and Jacob, probably were turning in their graves at the behaviour of those young men. Abraham and Jacob, were probably rubbing their eyes in disbelief, wondering isnt this the same Bethel we knew and a place we associated with God.

It is tragic, that because Deuteronomy 6:2 was ignored, the young men didnt live a long time, didnt enjoy a long life and the promise that their days may be long didnt happen for them.

There was a covenant between them and God. The covenant had terms and conditions. Read Deuteronomy 5:1-33 and Deuteronomy 6:1-25, to know more about the covenant made between them and God at Mount Horeb.

The contribution OLAADEGBU posted on that thread went swoosh over everyone's head, like as if it was a Naija Airforce fighter jet and "people didn't know warris going on"

Shepherd00:

You can be very annoying Budaatum. Just reread what you typed if it makes any sense.

Abeg carry your truthfulness and go.

Dantedasz:
Keep on masturbating all over the thread as usual

Dantedasz:
The plain fact is no matter how much you try to spin this Elisha story it is bad for him and for his God.
",Go up baldie"is now a sin in the books of Elisha and his God

Dantedasz:
Then the appropriate punishment is to be mauled to death by bears.

Dantedasz:
This is why I always say having a discussion with religionists requires suspension of the use of the brain.
Reasoning with religionists is an effort in absurdity just like smacking your head against a concrete wall.

MuttleyLaff:
Unlike you I have no reason and/or excuse to be masturbating over this thread or any other thread for that matter.

The direct and plain fact is that, the comment "go up baldie" actually was a mockery statement telling Elisha to go to hell, go up in blazes just like his boss Elijah did, that they had and want nothing to do with God nor His representative Elisha.

According to the terms and conditions of the Covenant between the Israelites and God, that was the expected punishment, as in, to be mauled by wild animals, literally or figuratively

This is why I always say having a discussion with people suffering from biblical illiteracy and who suspend using their grey cells is like feeding pigs with berries

Dantedasz:
Smoking Chimp

MuttleyLaff:
Say hi to your chimp cousin in the JPEG up there for me. Tell him smoking is bad for his health

Shepherd00:

You can begin killing people in the name of Jesus then

jcross19:
any man who justified the killing in the bible by claiming that God instructed them to do so in fact you are nothing but alqaida!

jcross19:
any man who justified the killing in the bible by claiming that God instructed them to do so in fact you are nothing but alqaida!

Dantedasz:


Christian's like to lie and pretend their gospel was spread peacefully when in actual fact they are as blood thirsty and intolerant as the muslims.

budaatum:

You tarnish everyone with the same brush in error. There have been more peaceful religious people than terrorist religious people and the religious texts are not responsible for the ignorant few.

It's a pity we give you any evidence to make such errors though. Please accept my most sincere apology.

budaatum:

After all, if anyone claims the Quran is justification for their killing we will call them al-Qaida! Damn man, we even call killing in the Quran al-Qaida, so why would we not call killing by God in the Bible a terrorist too?

Dantedasz:


Look lady,forget all the lies and spin,Christianity was spread through violence and intolerance once Constantine and his mother Helena decided to make it the official state religion.
You can't quote that story book to show that Christians are peaceful. They are as blood thirsty and intolerant as the Muslims.

budaatum:

I'm going to assume that you are not some ignorant religious person who believes the little he knows and cares more about facts and the truth. Please don't prove me wrong.

To start with, Christianity did not start with Constantine and his mother Helena, nor was Constantine the only Christian. And Muslims and Christians are those who adhere to the teachings of those religions and not the ignorant foolish idiots who go about shouting Lord Lord.

Muslims and Christians are not as bloodthirsty as you claim and you just need step out your door to know this. In fact, you don't likely have to step out your door if your patents were Muslims or Christians. I don't know them but I can bet my last dime that they do not and have never thirsted for blood.

Do let me know if I am wrong please.

Dantedasz:


Madam,
Christianity were a rag pack of prosecuted and unorganized preachers until Constantine and his mother created the falsehood you have today.
Do you really believe the gospels in the Bible were the only gospels? Those books in the Bible were forced into one book by Roman decree. Most of the other gospels and religious books were burned. People who paraded books not in the official Roman Bible were executed.
If that is not violence then I wonder what violence is.

Dantedasz:
If a single person has an imaginary friend they're insane. If a group of people have an imaginary friend its called religion

Dantedasz:
Christian's like to lie and pretend their gospel was spread peacefully when in actual fact they are as blood thirsty and intolerant as the muslims.
Apart from all the genocide committed by their god and his so called prophets in the old testament the spreading of the Pauline gospel was superintended with as much violence and intolerance as Al Qaeda and Boko haram.
You only need to goggle early christianity and violence to get the full gist.
The Christian's on this thread while wanking themselves off mentioned Hollywood movies like "Bruce Almighty and "Liar, liar"as examples of how difficult it is to be god. Such movies have no basis in reality and are as imaginary and absurd as their religious manual written and produced by the Roman's.

While we are on Hollywood films,I suggest films steeped in real history such as the movie "Agora" 2009. You might learn something about how christianity was spread with violence and intolerance of dissenting views.

Dantedasz:
Look lady, forget all the lies and spin, Christianity was spread through violence and intolerance once Constantine and his mother Helena decided to make it the official state religion.

Dantedasz:
You can't quote that story book to show that Christians are peaceful. They are as blood thirsty and intolerant as the Muslims.

budaatum:

It is written that If all the trees of the earth were pens and the oceans ink, with many more oceans for replenishing them, the colloquy of God would never come to end. He is indeed all-mighty and all-wise". You may see a list of some books that a decree eliminated from the Bible here. Those who live by bread alone will clearly be malnourished, and do not worship God. You don't know how little or much I know so lets stick to the facts and the topic at hand.

As you yourself say, "Christianity were a rag pack of prosecuted and unorganized preachers". It's rather unlikely that a "rag pack of prosecuted and unorganized preachers" could possibly have done what you suggest they did before a Roman decree.

I note you avoided my step out the door question. I insist that your parents are likely religious but do not thirst for blood.

Dantedasz:
Your so called "step out of the door" question is very irrelevant to the discourse.
You do not know my age so please let us keep parents out of this. Most times I avoid you because I have no time for this dancing around in circles.
My point is and remains that christianity has always been a religion spread through violence and intolerance. Christian's have no right to point fingers at muslims over violence because they are different sides of the same coin.

Dantedasz:
The case of Elisha and the kids is an example of a blood thirsty religion and no amount of explanation or spin can remove this or cover this.

Dantedasz:


Your so called "step out of the door" question is very irrelevant to the discourse.
You do not know my age so please let us keep parents out of this. Most times I avoid you because I have no time for this dancing around in circles.I ca not understand if you are a bat or a bird because you are usually all over the place madam.
My point is and remains that christianity has always been a religion spread through violence and intolerance. Christian's have no right to point fingers at muslims over violence because they are different sides of the same coin.
The case of Elisha and the kids is an example of a blood thirsty religion and no amount of explanation or spin can remove this or cover this.

MuttleyLaff:
Oooh, someone is getting touchy here. Someone cant take the heat in the kitchen. Someone is unable to take as much as they give. Someone all of a sudden is a crusader, mouthpiece, poster boy and advocate for Muslims. What an unsophisticated line is "most times I avoid you because I have no time for this dancing around in circles." Pftt.

According to the terms and conditions of the Covenant between the Israelites and God, that was the expected punishment, as in, to be mauled by wild animals, literally or figuratively, for what transpired between Elisha and those young men. Dont forget the crucial info, that, they were young men and not kids.

budaatum:

You are very free to avoid me for whatever reason you so desire, I have no control over what you do nor did I pay for your data! And while you are it, leave my gender and bat or birdness out of it too as it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand!

Your point is noted but wrong. The fact that some claim to adhere to a religion does not mean they do. Such people are specifically mentioned as saying Lord Lord but not doing the will of the Lord, and we are specifically told to:

“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Christians who point fingers at Muslims should learn to mind the forest in their own eye instead of worrying about the twig in the eyes of Muslims. And intelligent people do not tarnish a whole bunch because of a bad few.

jcross19:
any man who justified the killing in the bible by claiming that God instructed them to do so in fact you are nothing but alqaida!

Dantedasz:


Are you ashamed of being a woman? I see you go to great extremes to hide your gender on these boards,why?
I know a lot of posters mistake you for a man but why the subterfuge.
My main issue with you is that nobody knows where you stand on issues of religion. Your attempts to balance on the fence is confusing as you come across as neither a bird or a bat.
Just how you masquerade your gender.
I have made my point that all religions are violent and intolerant of divergent views.
Good night madam.