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Re: Fela Supported Biafra by cap28: 12:54am On Nov 07, 2010
KnowAll:

[b]I think " Fela" as a phenomenon is above the trivial tribal bickerings of some SEasterners especially Igbo's,   the whole concept of Biafra is totally out of sync with Fela's pan-africanist movement, for anyone to think Fela can be so belittled to support an agitataion and proclamation based on greed and stubborness is a slight on the phenoenon known as " Fela".

I think some of us don't know when to draw the line by dragging the name of one of African's most celeberated pan -Africanist into a none issue, the whole Biafran agitation and conception is marred in greed, envy and out-right insubordination by some officer's who should know better.

I hope the culprit who is still alive who is assumed to have blown the whilstle for the pillaging and theft to commence in the land is a lot happier man today,  obvioulsy seeing his handiwork play to the gallary, his unprecedented  mutiny has  caused the nation enough pains in the last 40 years.

But does the absconding commander have any remouse hell no !!!, what and how about him inviting the chief Pillager of the nation to his backwaters and not only conferring on him an exclusive Igbo name but his unsavoury proclaimations that every Igbo's far and wide should support his candidacy this more than anything is the sorry state of Igboland in 2010.[/b]



you are talking pure trash, first of all to dismiss the tragedy of biafra as an agitation based on greed and stubborness shows you up for the tribalistic bigot that you are.  Would you speak like this if your entire family had been wiped out by hausa soldiers during their murderous rampage? If you have nothing constructive to say keep your mouth shut.  

Are  you unaware of the fact that igbos were being massacred by lynch mobs in the north, how does that equate to tribal bickering in your deranged mind?  

Fela was a phenomenon there is no doubt about that but to state that he was above the tribal bickerings going on between igbos and hausas during that tragic stage in our history is beyond the pale.  Fela was not a tribalist he beleived in Pan africanism but he also understood where nigeria's problem was coming from, he could see that igbos had been victimised and brutalised by a handpicked group of puppets and he condemned the murderous and brutal way in which the nigerian army dealt with the igbos.  

You have the nerve to talk about pan africanism when you have no love for your fellow nigerian, if you cant even love your igbo brothers and sisters is it someone from another african country that you will be capable of loving?

For you to now try and rope Ojukwu into this whole debate shows you up for the complete i.diot that you are, is Ojukwu the architect of nigeria's downward spiral as we know it today?
oh boy go and look for a transformer to hug, rubbish.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by EzeUche0(m): 12:59am On Nov 07, 2010
cap28:

you are talking pure trash, first of all to dismiss the tragedy of biafra as an agitation based on greed and stubborness shows you up for the tribalistic bigot that you are.  Would you speak like this if your entire family had been wiped out by hausa soldiers during their murderous rampage? If you have nothing constructive to say keep your mouth shut.  

Are  you unaware of the fact that igbos were being massacred by lynch mobs in the north, how does that equate to tribal bickering in your deranged mind?  

Fela was a phenomenon there is no doubt about that but to state that he was above the tribal bickerings going on between igbos and hausas during that tragic stage in our history is beyond the pale.  Fela was not a tribalist he beleived in Pan africanism but he also understood where nigeria's problem was coming from, he could see that igbos had been victimised and brutalised by a handpicked group of puppets and he condemned the murderous and brutal way in which the nigerian army dealt with the igbos.  

You have the nerve to talk about pan africanism when you have no love for your fellow nigerian, if you cant even love your igbo brothers and sisters is it someone from another african country that you will be capable of loving?

For you to now try and rope Ojukwu into this whole debate shows you up for the complete i.diot that you are, is Ojukwu the architect of nigeria's downward spiral as we know it today?
oh boy go and look for a transformer to hug, rubbish.  


Gbam!

Wonderful post. All I read in his post was a bunch of gibberish.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 1:00am On Nov 07, 2010
cap28:

Fela was a phenomenon there is no doubt about that but to state that he was above the tribal bickerings going on between igbos and hausas during that tragic stage in our history is beyond the pale.  Fela was not a tribalist he beleived in Pan africanism but he also understood where nigeria's problem was coming from, he could see that igbos had been victimised and brutalised by a handpicked group of puppets and he condemned the murderous and brutal way in which the nigerian army dealt with the igbos.  

You are a curious guy. undecided undecided
Oddly enough until this post I had never associated Fela with tribal or sectional politics in Nigeria. He had a much greater vision than that and in any case he was much too clever  to get involved with that kind of dead-end reactionary ideology.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by EzeUche0(m): 1:07am On Nov 07, 2010
Murtala Mohammed was another beast. angry

However, I am glad he met his end the way he did. The massacre at Asaba will always go down in infamy! Then as he tried to invade Biafra proper, the brave Biafran soldiers sent him packing after his disastrous defeat at Abagana. Biafran army won their biggest batttle. by ambushing and destroying a 96-vehicle column of Nigerian soldiers with locally hand made bomb called [Ogbunigwe or bucket bomb].
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by KnowAll(m): 1:09am On Nov 07, 2010
For you to now try and rope Ojukwu into this whole debate shows you up for the complete i.diot that you are, is Ojukwu the architect of nigeria's downward spiral as we know it today?


That cannot be further from the truth, we need to look at the big picture. A country just don't just wake up and go downward spiral overnight. It starts from somewhere. Nzeogwu sowed the seed of discontent, Ojukwu made it a currency by allowing the un-necessary conflagration of a solvable problem, Abacha and IBB turned it into a relay race where they can keep on changing batons at random, whilst promising heaven and earth and delivering nothing.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by cap28: 1:13am On Nov 07, 2010
tensor777:

You are a curious guy. undecided undecided
Oddly enough until this post I had never associated Fela with tribal or sectional politics in Nigeria. He had a much greater vision than that and in any case he was much too clever  to get involved with that kind of dead-end reactionary ideology.

Im curious because i see things that people like you dont see, first of all Fela had a broader vision for Africa which was rooted in Pan africanism, however he was not  oblivious to the many obstacles that stood in the way of pan africanism he appreciated the fact that the europeans had set us up to fail by melding various ethnic groups into one contraption known as nigeria.  This contraption was and remains doomed to fail along as it remains as one, he knew this but he appealed to all africans as one people, he wanted us to overcome our differences and rise above these differences in order to become a formidable force capable of facing our real enemies (the white man) and defeating them as one force.  Sadly we have not been able to overcome this obstacle.  This is why it was so easy for the igbos to be defeated, the hausas were able to easily co opt the yoruba into a temporary alliance in order to acheive their long term objective which was to get their hands on the oil reserves in the south.  The only way out of this mess is a complete split along ethnic lines, we will still come back to this same point no matter how long we go on with this debate.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 1:14am On Nov 07, 2010
EzeUche0:

Murtala Mohammed was another beast. angry

However, I am glad he met his end the way he did. The massacre at Asaba will always go down in infamy! Then as he tried to invade Biafra proper, the brave Biafran soldiers sent him packing after his disastrous defeat at Abagana. Biafran army won their biggest batttle. by ambushing and destroying a 96-vehicle column of Nigerian soldiers with locally hand made bomb called [Ogbunigwe or bucket bomb].
Imagine someone calling such a person a Pan-Africanist! In truth he was just another reactionary military officer without a grand strategic vision for Nigeria.
He certainly showed wanton disregard for the lives of civilians in Asaba- totally against Gowon's written code of conduct- and even his own divisional troops when he heedlessly decided to cross the river Niger at the well-fortified Onitsha instead of taking an unoppsed river crossing at Idah.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by cap28: 1:34am On Nov 07, 2010
KnowAll:

That cannot be further from the truth, we need to look at the big picture. A country just don't just wake up and go downward spiral overnight. It starts from somewhere. Nzeogwu sowed the seed of discontent, Ojukwu made it a currency by allowing the un-necessary conflagration of a solvable problem, Abacha and IBB turned it into a relay race where they can keep on changing batons at random, whilst promising heaven and earth and delivering nothing.

It seems as if you have a very selective memory, was it Nzeogwu who was responsible for the corruption and decay that was plaguing nigeria prior to the January 66 coup?
How did Ojukwu create what you call an unecessary conflagration? who started the pogroms in northern nigeria ?

Yes Abacha, IBB and the other northern theifs turned nigeria into their personal fiefdom but please explain why you are roping in Ojuwkwu and Nzeogwu.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 2:07am On Nov 07, 2010
KnowAll:

That cannot be further from the truth, we need to look at the big picture. A country just don't just wake up and go downward spiral overnight. It starts from somewhere. Nzeogwu sowed the seed of discontent, Ojukwu made it a currency by allowing the un-necessary conflagration of a solvable problem, Abacha and IBB turned it into a relay race where they can keep on changing batons at random, whilst promising heaven and earth and delivering nothing.
Did Nzeogwu really know what he was doing? No
Did he have real understanding of the Nigerian polity? No.
Was he even aware of the deep rooted tribalism of his accomplices? No

At the end of the day he was just another reactionary military officer without the self- knowledge and vision that it would take decades of education, Godliness and enlightenment to turn Nigeria towards the path of development.

However the selected killings did trigger a wave of revulsion and anger that only abated with the the flight of Ojukwu to Abidjan in 1970
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by KnowAll(m): 2:11am On Nov 07, 2010
Yes Abacha, IBB and the other northern theifs turned nigeria into their personal fiefdom but please explain why you are roping in Ojuwkwu and Nzeogwu.


That once united and reverred institution the "miliatry" which was  seen as the last bastion of unity in Nigeria was destroyed by the over-zealousness of Nzeogwu in Jan 1966, but Ojukwu by declaring a republic within Nigeria made any other crime commited present and past pale into insignificance. The worst kind of crime one can ever commit is to take on the state. The same reason why Gideon Orkar's coup failed removing some states from Nigeria.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 2:12am On Nov 07, 2010
@ EzeUche

I hope this was not a sort of cannabis induced epiphany. If it was, I volunteer to buy you a lifetime supply of your favourite weed. By the way, this offer is also extended to Dede1, Akin-Egba and all other ibo supremacists on Nairaland.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 2:16am On Nov 07, 2010
KnowAll:


That once united institution the "miliatry" which was  seen as the last bastion of unity in Nigeria was destroyed by the over-zealousness of Nzeogwu in Jan 1966, but Ojukwu by declaring a republic within Nigeria made any other crime commited present and past pale into insignificance. The worst kind of crime one can ever commit is to take on the state. The same reason why Gideon Orkar's coup failed removing some states from Nigeria.
I think Ojukwu made a fundamental mistake in underestimating Gowon on the one hand and to keep bluffing with his secession card -the only real card he had-on the other hand.
Curiously Ojukwu was in a very good position to extract concessions from Gowon if he had just been willing to swallow his pride and recognize Gowon's authority.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by cap28: 2:24am On Nov 07, 2010
tensor777:

Did Nzeogwu really know what he was doing? No
Did he have real understanding of the Nigerian polity? No.
Was he even aware of the deep rooted tribalism of his accomplices? No

At the end of the day he was just another reactionary military officer without the self- knowledge and vision that it would take decades of education, Godliness and enlightenment to turn Nigeria towards the path of development.

However the selected killings did trigger a wave of revulsion and anger that only abated with the the flight of Ojukwu to Abidjan in 1970

Nzeogwu knew exactly what he was doing and he had the courage and resolve to stick to his plan, yes the other accomplices were not as principled but that had nothing to do with Nzeogwu, he executed his own part of the plan and the others lost their nerve, hardly his fault was it?
Nzeogwu was an igbo man born and bred in the north, spoke hausa fluently and was able to transcend tribalism, his desire was a nigeria in which all nigerians could have a fair chance in life not the hellish nightmare situation that we are in today.
The problem with us is that we have a twisted sense of morality, we can not even distinguish between who our  friends or enemies are, Nzeogwu may have been an idealist but he was no fool, was it wrong for him to try and steer nigeria back on to the right path, was it wrong for him to try and halt the plans that had been set in motion by the british to keep southern nigerians in bondage to the northern oligarchs.

Okay now that Nzeogwu and other progressives are dead how further forward have we moved?
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by KnowAll(m): 2:27am On Nov 07, 2010
Did Nzeogwu really know what he was doing? No
Did he have real understanding of the Nigerian polity? No.
Was he even aware of the deep rooted tribalism of his accomplices? No

At the end of the day he was just another reactionary military officer without the self- knowledge and vision that it would take decades of education, Godliness and enlightenment to turn Nigeria towards the path of development.

However the selected killings did trigger a wave of revulsion and anger that only abated with the the flight of Ojukwu to Abidjan in 1970

Fortunately for me and unfrotunately for Nzeogwu, I can benefit from hindsight and have a bird's view eye of the events of the 1960's, which you also can benefit from except if you choose otherwise.

The childish bravado of Nzeogwu and the stubborness of not losing face to a perceived inferior officer in the person of Gowon made Ojukwu to go the long haul to wage a war which was not only suciadal but futile and avoidable. This singular event open the ugly sore's insurgency and counter- insurgency in the Miliatary, I would like to believe this cancer has finally been exorcized
from our polity
.  undecided
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 2:37am On Nov 07, 2010
cap28:

Okay now that Nzeogwu and other progressives are dead how further forward have we moved? 
Its really not important what Nzeogwu stood for or what his real motives were as it is such a long time ago.
But certainly he acted without wisdom.
The idea that you can have a sweeping revolution in a highly traditional, hierarchical society just by a  few random killings here and there beggars belief.
Even the Russian and French revolutions saw the very active mobilisation and participation of the ordinary people. Such can not be achieved without grass-roots unity and some form of intensive political education of the masses.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by cap28: 2:39am On Nov 07, 2010
KnowAll:

Fortunately for me and unfrotunately for Nzeogwu, I can benefit from hindsight and have a bird's view eye of the events of the 1960's, which you also can benefit from except if you choose otherwise.

The childish bravado of Nzeogwu and the stubborness of not losing face to a perceived inferior officer in the person of Gowon made Ojukwu to go the long haul to wage a war which was not only suciadal but futile and avoidable. This singular event open the ugly sore's insurgency and counter- insurgency in the Miliatary, I would like to believe this cancer has finally been exorcized
from our polity
.  undecided

but this  your birds eye view has still not enabled you to see the situation for what it is.  The January 66 coup can hardly be dismissed as an incident borne out of "childish bravado", your selective memory is preventing you from seeing that there were serious problems in nigeria which prompted this reaction from Nzeogwu and the other 4 majors.  Unlike subsequent military coup d'etats in nigeria, this particular one was borne out of a legitimate desire to wipe out a corrupt puppet regime.  Subsequent coups have merely been a succession of kleptocrats struggling to get their paws on nigeria's oil revenue.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Olalimits(m): 2:44am On Nov 07, 2010
I doubt this.
This man was an *******
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 3:08am On Nov 07, 2010
cap28:

, this particular one was borne out of a legitimate desire to wipe out a corrupt puppet regime.  Subsequent coups have merely been a succession of kleptocrats struggling to get their paws on nigeria's oil revenue.   
You can't get away with making such unguarded statements. He actually was so idealistic as not to have any true conception of what he was doing.

What corruption are we talking about anyway at that time?

The one in high and low places where civil servants take bribes and demand 10%? lol. That would be stopped by killing the likes of Balewa who was a very clean-living ascetic politician?
No trials or convictions just random shootings of politicians and even apolitical military officers. undecided cry undecided cry

A so-called puppet regime that broke away from the Queen in 1963 by declaring a republic and rejected the Anglo Nigerian defence agreement?
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by ASANIGBO(m): 3:32am On Nov 07, 2010
shocked UP  shocked

shocked BIAFRA shocked

Re: Fela Supported Biafra by KnowAll(m): 3:33am On Nov 07, 2010
You can't get away with making such unguarded statements. He actually was so idealistic as not to have any true conception of what he was doing.

What corruption are we talking about anyway at that time?


LOL  grin grin , Fela sang a song " for England oh Army no fit take over" but our friend cap28 believe that it is within the remit of screwed head Nzeogwu to unleash the bullets in his gun to all asundry most especially the civilians in other to effect some change. I think Nzeogwu got carreid away by the revolution in Cuba and the Che Guvera thing
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by cap28: 3:42am On Nov 07, 2010
tensor777:

You can't get away with making such unguarded statements. He actually was so idealistic as not to have any true conception of what he was doing.

What corruption are we talking about anyway at that time?

The one in high and low places where civil servants take bribes and demand 10%? lol. That would be stopped by killing the likes of Balewa who was a very clean ascetic politician?
No trials or convictions just random shootings of politicians and even apolitical military officers. undecided cry undecided cry

A so-called puppet regime that broke away from the Queen in 1963 by declaring a republic and rejected the Anglo Nigerian defence agreement?

self delusion is a coping mechanism but i dont think it should be used by us to distort history.

There was nothing clean about Balewa -he was a british pawn.

Yes the Balewa govt was nigeria's first puppet govt, the 1959 elections were rigged and the british knew the results even before they were released.  

Nigeria did not break away from britain but has remained a client state of britain since 1960, there was no way the british were going to let nigeria walk away with billions of dollars in oil reserves this is why they armed the nigerian govt to prevent the secession of biafra along with the oil wells in the south east.

Some of this information has been declassified and can be found in the british public records archives, however most of it is still classified for one hundred years !!!! i wonder what the british govt is hiding -  listen to this:

http://maxsiollun./2009/01/21/how-the-british-rigged-nigeria/


here is a clip of an interview with Nzeogwu:

http://maxsiollun./2008/02/20/interview-with-major-nzeogwu/
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by aljharem(m): 5:16am On Nov 07, 2010
u igbos are deillusional
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by chyz(m): 5:24am On Nov 07, 2010
alj harem:

u igbos are deillusional

Good now be gone,small boy.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by OCCULTIST(m): 5:47am On Nov 07, 2010
So when are they breaking up the nation,we need to have more countries in this continent
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Jentletom(m): 5:58am On Nov 07, 2010
na tru u talk at list me to i 4hamar and i get plenty land wey i 4sell sef

Re: Fela Supported Biafra by almoner(m): 6:24am On Nov 07, 2010
Africa is ours, let's not encourage disunity amongs ourselves. Meanwhile, the topic starter was expressing his view about Fela and Yoruba culture
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Youngnero: 7:17am On Nov 07, 2010
[color=#006600][/color] cry

Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 8:01am On Nov 07, 2010
^^^ Please remove the eye sore. Thanks
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by EzeUche0(m): 8:05am On Nov 07, 2010
Ileke-IdI:

^^^ Please remove the eye sore. Thanks

Be nice! angry
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 8:09am On Nov 07, 2010
lol No.
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by EzeUche0(m): 8:14am On Nov 07, 2010
Ileke-IdI:

lol No.

Do not make me come down there.  angry

And change your pic back!
Re: Fela Supported Biafra by Nobody: 8:16am On Nov 07, 2010
EzeUche0:

Do not make me go down there. angry

Lol oh so you do that stuff? grin
Kinky, nice to know wink

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