MuttleyLaff:
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Defeated? Defeated how and/or defeated in what exactly please?
How I desperately wish I could say about you, that you know how to read and understand the Bible, but you dont. Those tips, rules 1-6 who've, in a conspicuously and even obviously offensive way, shown contempt for each and all of them, lol.

"First you need to understand that the word spirit when used in the Bible can mean 3 different things *Which are a living being like God, Angels,
*It can mean the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 7:38pm On Nov 17

"How does that explain or mean that the spirit taken by God are still existing?"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 11:15pm On Nov 19

Please sir, Mr "you have been defeated just accept the fact", here are a few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions for you to "conqueringly" answer, lol:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?

It's obvious you did not read the article you just jumped into the argument .

You can refer back to the OP to understand what a Soul is.


Psalm 35:9
And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in
His salvation.

Ihedinobi3
Show me where it is written that the spirits of the wicked or righteous were judged and then rewarded or punished.

Ihedinobi3

If it is the spirit that is rewarded or if the spirits can live forever, than explain to me why Paul taught the early Christains that the only hope of those who died in Christ is the hope of resurrection which only Christ can offer.

Why would Christains hope for the resurrection when their spirits already have immmortality?

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


O Yeah Mr know all start.

ttps://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/did-the-ghost-of-samuel-appear-to-saul-after-his death.
Did the ghost of Samuel
appear to Saul after his death?
 Add to my study list
o. There are several important scriptures
to consider before we examine the actual
story, recorded in 1 Samuel 28:7-25 . The
first is the verse immediately prior, which
informs the reader that “when Saul inquired of
the Lord, the Lord did not answer him, either by
dreams or by Urim or by the prophets” ( 1
Samuel 28:6 ). God was refusing to communicate
with Saul through any means, including His
prophets. Samuel, even if he had been still alive,
would have had nothing to tell Saul. From this
we can infer that the “Samuel” who
communicated with Saul was not a prophet of
God speaking from beyond the grave.
Another important passage is in Ecclesiastes 9:5 ,
10, which says plainly that “the living know that
they will die; but the dead know nothing…for
there is no work or device or knowledge or
wisdom in the grave where you are going.”
When we die, we enter a state the Bible likens to
“sleep” ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 ), remaining
unconscious until the resurrections at or after
Christ’s return. There is certainly no soul that
lives on, able to communicate with the rest of
the living.
Knowing this, the entity Saul communicated with
could not possibly have been the ghost or spirit
of Samuel, or any other human being. That
leaves only the spirit realm as a possibility—and
given that God had explicitly cut off
communication between Himself (and by
extension, His angels) and Saul (compare 1
Samuel 13:14 ; 28:6 and Isaiah 59:2 ), we are forced
to conclude that the “Samuel” conjured up by the
medium of En Dor was a demonic spirit
masquerading as God’s prophet.
We might ask, “If it was really a demon
communicating with Saul, why did it tell him the
truth?” ( 1 Samuel 28:16-19 ; compare 13:9-14;
15:8-9, 26; 31:2-4). We must remember that the
primary goal of Satan and his demons is to
destroy us. By selectively telling Saul pieces of
the truth, the demon posing as Samuel was able
to depress him to the point where Saul was no
longer able to stand up ( 1 Samuel 28:20 ).
The demon used parts of the truth, while posing
as a man of God, to paint a picture of
hopelessness. “And no wonder! For Satan himself
transforms himself into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also
transform themselves into ministers of
righteousness, whose end will be according to
their works” ( 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 ).


Ihedinobi3

Note this is copyright, I think this will go a long way to butress my point I don't have time now to compose my response.

King Saul approached the witch of Endor
requesting that she conjure up Samuel. His ruse
was found out but this did not deter him. He
insisted she bring up a spirit; Scripture records
that she complied.
But who was it that Saul spoke to? Did the witch
of Endor conjure up the dead spirit of Samuel?
No. A close reading of the verses involved will
reveal that it was not Samuel. First, notice in
verse 14 that Saul has to ask her to tell him what
she sees and its appearance. Once she informs
him that it's an old man covered with a mantle,
he understands it to be Samuel. Sounds a bit fishy
to me. Secondly, and I believe the greatest
evidence against identifying this apparition as
Samuel, is found in verses 15 and 16. Ironically,
the evidence lies in Saul's own words. Verse 15
records him talking to what he believes is Samuel.
When asked by the apparition why he was
summoned, Saul responds, "God is departed from
me, and answereth me no more, neither by
prophets, nor by dreams." Notice what he said
about prophets. Saul said God does not answer
me by prophets. This apparition replies in verse
16, "Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing
the Lord is departed from thee, and is become
thine enemy."
If God would not answer Saul by prophets, what
made him think he was talking to a prophet? The
apparition all but says, "If God does not answer
you by prophets, then what makes you think you
are speaking to one now?" The fact that Saul
understands that God will not communicate with
him should put us on notice that God would not
do so through a dead prophet, either—not to
mention the fact that according to Scripture, the
dead know nothing and rest in the grave until the
second coming. On the night before his death,
Saul sought council from a witch. This witch of
Endor conjured up an apparition, but it was
certainly not Samuel. Instead, it was a demon.
Again, you might ask, how do you know it was a
demon? A study of the whole Bible will reveal
that it could not have been anything else but a
demon. Unfortunately, I don't have the space in
this blog to study this in-depth. Nevertheless, I'll
give a quick answer that should serve to dispel
the belief that Samuel was brought up from the
dead. First Chronicles 10:13-14 says this about
the death of Saul: "So Saul died for his
transgression which he committed against the
Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which
he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one
that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and
enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him,
and turned the kingdom unto David the son of
Jesse." According to 1 Chronicles 10:13-14,
whatever the witch of Endor conjured up, it was
not of the Lord. So Saul sought out the spirit of
Satan because he did not get an answer from
God. Because of that, Saul was destroyed.
There are several lessons we can learn from this
story. First, be patient. Don't take things into your
own hands. "Wait on the Lord: be of good
courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart:
wait, I say, on the Lord." (Psalms 27:14)
Secondly, demonic forces are not to be trifled
with. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against
the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places." (Ephesians
6:12) Finally, never give up on the Lord. Never
think that He will not take you back. Don't
believe the satanic lie that you have gone too far.
The love of God can reach the deepest of seas.
Remember 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he
is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to
cleanse us from all unrighteousness."


Ihedinobi3

blueAgent:
It's obvious you did not read the article you just jumped into the argument .

You can refer back to the OP to understand what a Soul is.

Psalm 35:9
And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in
His salvation.

"I understand your confusion you seem to believe the lie that the Soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell.
That's not true, all this false teachings were brought into Christaintity by pagans.
The truth is, it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 8:16am On Nov 16

"What do you think is the Soul?
and if what goes to Heaven or Hell is the soul then why do we have a resurrection?"
- Religion / Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 9:28pm On Nov 18

Please dont insult me by saying that it's obvious I did not read the article and that I just jumped into the argument and dont patronise me with saying to m: "you can refer back to the OP to understand what a Soul is" because I did, with great eagerness and/or enthusiasm read every single comment you made on this thread, I then, was about going to order a chilled bottle of orijin plus a truckload of kolanuts for you, but then you started dropping embarrassing clangers, some like with the above emboldened and/or underlined text, at where you began to introduce some of the confusion kumulus observed of you and you even displayed your unawareness of simple facts about the physiology of man's body, soul and spirit.

As I've previously said before, I was enjoying and liking your each of your posts until when scrolling upwards to read more, I bumped into you confusing yourself that already decayed and/or decomposed human being bodies will make heaven or the lake of fire. You actually typed that its a lie that the soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell. I balked at that point in time, and said to myself, blueAgent at this point ooo, YOYO, as in meaning, blueAgent you're on your own, lol, me I no get hands for the mata with you.

For information, what all the interested parties are after, is the soul of man. It is not the body the body of man they are after, it is not the spirit of man they are after. It simply is the soul. It is why God, is in the business of paid the price for human souls and the devil equally, is so much interested in human souls too, lol. It really somewhat looks like, it is a race to the end, for the souls of man, lol

Matthew 10:28 states "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." The "body in hell" in that verse applies to the bodies that havent gone through the state or process of rotting or decomposition and become dust, through the action of bacteria, fungi, ants etcetera, lol.

blueAgent the earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added for you to all "conqueringly" answer, lol:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them or be instead, spamming Ihedinobi3 with your spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for argument(s)

blueAgent:





You called it a parable and you are still asking why Jesus pinpointed the life of the rich man.

Even if we take that story literally it still does not prove that Spirits live forever rather it proves that it is the body that is cast into Hell because Jesus taught his disciples that spirits don't have flesh,Bones and tongues..
Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle
me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye
see me have.

if there is no such thing like life after death Jesus would have not made such comparison!

blueAgent:
Ihedinobi3
Show me where it is written that the spirits of the wicked or righteous were judged and then rewarded or punished.

blueAgent:
Ihedinobi3

If it is the spirit that is rewarded or if the spirits can live forever, than explain to me why Paul taught the early Christains that the only hope of those who died in Christ is the hope of resurrection which only Christ can offer.

Why would Christains hope for the resurrection when their spirits already have immmortality?

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


O Yeah Mr know all start.

As I said in my last answer to you, I cannot answer questions and challenges that have nothing to do with my own arguments to you.

blueAgent:
ttps://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/did-the-ghost-of-samuel-appear-to-saul-after-his death.
Did the ghost of Samuel
appear to Saul after his death?
 Add to my study list
o. There are several important scriptures
to consider before we examine the actual
story, recorded in 1 Samuel 28:7-25 . The
first is the verse immediately prior, which
informs the reader that “when Saul inquired of
the Lord, the Lord did not answer him, either by
dreams or by Urim or by the prophets” ( 1
Samuel 28:6 ). God was refusing to communicate
with Saul through any means, including His
prophets. Samuel, even if he had been still alive,
would have had nothing to tell Saul. From this
we can infer that the “Samuel” who
communicated with Saul was not a prophet of
God speaking from beyond the grave.
Another important passage is in Ecclesiastes 9:5 ,
10, which says plainly that “the living know that
they will die; but the dead know nothing…for
there is no work or device or knowledge or
wisdom in the grave where you are going.”
When we die, we enter a state the Bible likens to
“sleep” ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 ), remaining
unconscious until the resurrections at or after
Christ’s return. There is certainly no soul that
lives on, able to communicate with the rest of
the living.
Knowing this, the entity Saul communicated with
could not possibly have been the ghost or spirit
of Samuel, or any other human being. That
leaves only the spirit realm as a possibility—and
given that God had explicitly cut off
communication between Himself (and by
extension, His angels) and Saul (compare 1
Samuel 13:14 ; 28:6 and Isaiah 59:2 ), we are forced
to conclude that the “Samuel” conjured up by the
medium of En Dor was a demonic spirit
masquerading as God’s prophet.
We might ask, “If it was really a demon
communicating with Saul, why did it tell him the
truth?” ( 1 Samuel 28:16-19 ; compare 13:9-14;
15:8-9, 26; 31:2-4). We must remember that the
primary goal of Satan and his demons is to
destroy us. By selectively telling Saul pieces of
the truth, the demon posing as Samuel was able
to depress him to the point where Saul was no
longer able to stand up ( 1 Samuel 28:20 ).
The demon used parts of the truth, while posing
as a man of God, to paint a picture of
hopelessness. “And no wonder! For Satan himself
transforms himself into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also
transform themselves into ministers of
righteousness, whose end will be according to
their works” ( 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 ).


Ihedinobi3

I'm afraid I can't agree with you. My reasons have been stated in my earlier posts. I have addressed Samuel and the issue of death being called "sleep." I would only be repeating myself if I respond to the above here again. So, look at my earlier arguments and ask what questions you want to for clarification or just present what arguments you believe demonstrate any error in them.

blueAgent:
Note this is cope right, I think this will go a long way to butress my point I don't have time now to compose my response.

King Saul approached the witch of Endor
requesting that she conjure up Samuel. His ruse
was found out but this did not deter him. He
insisted she bring up a spirit; Scripture records
that she complied.
But who was it that Saul spoke to? Did the witch
of Endor conjure up the dead spirit of Samuel?
No. A close reading of the verses involved will
reveal that it was not Samuel. First, notice in
verse 14 that Saul has to ask her to tell him what
she sees and its appearance. Once she informs
him that it's an old man covered with a mantle,
he understands it to be Samuel. Sounds a bit fishy
to me. Secondly, and I believe the greatest
evidence against identifying this apparition as
Samuel, is found in verses 15 and 16. Ironically,
the evidence lies in Saul's own words. Verse 15
records him talking to what he believes is Samuel.
When asked by the apparition why he was
summoned, Saul responds, "God is departed from
me, and answereth me no more, neither by
prophets, nor by dreams." Notice what he said
about prophets. Saul said God does not answer
me by prophets. This apparition replies in verse
16, "Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing
the Lord is departed from thee, and is become
thine enemy."
If God would not answer Saul by prophets, what
made him think he was talking to a prophet? The
apparition all but says, "If God does not answer
you by prophets, then what makes you think you
are speaking to one now?" The fact that Saul
understands that God will not communicate with
him should put us on notice that God would not
do so through a dead prophet, either—not to
mention the fact that according to Scripture, the
dead know nothing and rest in the grave until the
second coming. On the night before his death,
Saul sought council from a witch. This witch of
Endor conjured up an apparition, but it was
certainly not Samuel. Instead, it was a demon.
Again, you might ask, how do you know it was a
demon? A study of the whole Bible will reveal
that it could not have been anything else but a
demon. Unfortunately, I don't have the space in
this blog to study this in-depth. Nevertheless, I'll
give a quick answer that should serve to dispel
the belief that Samuel was brought up from the
dead. First Chronicles 10:13-14 says this about
the death of Saul: "So Saul died for his
transgression which he committed against the
Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which
he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one
that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and
enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him,
and turned the kingdom unto David the son of
Jesse." According to 1 Chronicles 10:13-14,
whatever the witch of Endor conjured up, it was
not of the Lord. So Saul sought out the spirit of
Satan because he did not get an answer from
God. Because of that, Saul was destroyed.
There are several lessons we can learn from this
story. First, be patient. Don't take things into your
own hands. "Wait on the Lord: be of good
courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart:
wait, I say, on the Lord." (Psalms 27:14)
Secondly, demonic forces are not to be trifled
with. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against
the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places." (Ephesians
6:12) Finally, never give up on the Lord. Never
think that He will not take you back. Don't
believe the satanic lie that you have gone too far.
The love of God can reach the deepest of seas.
Remember 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he
is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to
cleanse us from all unrighteousness."


Ihedinobi3

Okay, I can work with this.

First, this argument ignores completely the rather incontrovertible fact that it is neither Saul nor the medium that calls the el'ohim that the medium sees coming up out of the earth Samuel. It is the Bible itself that does. That is, the narration says that it was Samuel that spoke to Saul, not that someone told Saul that Samuel was speaking to him. Had it been the medium who called the el'ohim Samuel, we could argue that she deceived Saul. Had it been Saul who was reported as calling it Samuel, we could argue that he deceived himself. But it was the Bible itself that calls it Samuel. This then is all we need to be sure that it was really Samuel who responded to Saul's summons.

Second, it is true that this inquiry cannot have been said to be of the Lord. The Lord was express in forbidding all consultation and dalliance with the world of spirits apart from Him (Leviticus 20:27). So, Saul was not hoping or expecting to hear from the Lord. He was relying on something the Lord completely forbade. But this does not mean at all that the Lord forbade Himself from overriding demonic cons in order to punish a sinning believer. Consider the example of Samson. God forbade sexual immorality and marriage to unbelievers, but Samson was a blatant fornicator and decided that he must have a Philistine wife, and an unbelieving one too. We know from the Scriptures that this was something that God meant to use to pick a fight with the Philistines, but does that mean then that Samson was right to seek such a marriage? Absolutely not. The Lord knows what He is working with (Psalm 103:14), and He makes the perfect use of it. The Lord knew that Saul would go to the medium instead of repenting his rebellion against Him, so He overrode the seance and condemned him to death for his stubbornness through Samuel.

Third, in light of the above, I will respond to your use of Ecclesiastes 9:5. As I said of a similar objection, this life is where we fight, where we choose and confirm our allegiance, whether to the Lord or to Satan. This is the place where we deliberately choose to find, listen to and hear the Truth, learn it, believe it, and help other believers to do the same. Only while we are still alive in this body can we make a choice to do this. After we die, we can no longer choose. What we experience after death is a sealing of our choice. So, there is no "knowledge" after death that counts. After we die, we come face to face with the Truth and can no longer choose to ignore it. So, for example, the rich man in Torments in Luke 16 is not arguing whether God exists or whether the Lord Jesus is the true Savior. Rather he is asking for relief from his torment and for the Truth to be given to his brothers so that they do not end up in Torments with him. The dead can no longer learn, because they can see the Truth clearly with no mortality shielding them from true reality anymore. They can gain no more rewards because they have finished making their choices. Their rewards or lack thereof is now a confirmed matter. Nothing can be added to or taken away from what they have chosen. Their own books are complete. This does not mean that those who died in the Faith know nothing about what goes on on Earth. Samuel obviously knew, and in Revelation, we see that the saints who have gone to be with the Lord have access to the sea of ice before God's Throne through which all those in Heaven can view events on Earth. We are also told in Hebrews 12:1 that those who have already gone to be with the Lord form "a great cloud of witnesses" cheering us on in our own pilgrimage through this world. So, contrary to your argument, the dead do know plenty. But that knowledge is no longer of account to them, since they have already finished making and confirming their own choices here on Earth.

Fourth, as I said, I have already told you about "sleep." I have nothing new to say about that here.

Ihedinobi3.

It's obvious you don't know what you are saying.

I have asked you a simple question which you cannot explain.

If you knew what you were saying it will take you only 3 or 4 lines to express and explain what you know rather than this lengthy meaningless thing you wrote here.

Ihedinobi3:


As I said in my last answer to you, I cannot answer questions and challenges that have nothing to do with my own arguments to you.


I'm afraid I can't agree with you. My reasons have been stated in my earlier posts. I have addressed Samuel and the issue of death being called "sleep." I would only be repeating myself if I respond to the above here again. So, look at my earlier arguments and ask what questions you want to for clarification or just present what arguments you believe demonstrate any error in them.


Okay, I can work with this.

First, this argument ignores completely the rather incontrovertible fact that it is neither Saul nor the medium that calls the el'ohim that the medium sees coming up out of the earth Samuel. It is the Bible itself that does. That is, the narration says that it was Samuel that spoke to Saul, not that someone told Saul that Samuel was speaking to him. Had it been the medium who called the el'ohim Samuel, we could argue that she deceived Saul. Had it been Saul who was reported as calling it Samuel, we could argue that he deceived himself. But it was the Bible itself that calls it Samuel. This then is all we need to be sure that it was really Samuel who responded to Saul's summons.

Second, it is true that this inquiry cannot have been said to be of the Lord. The Lord was express in forbidding all consultation and dalliance with the world of spirits apart from Him (Leviticus 20:27). So, Saul was not hoping or expecting to hear from the Lord. He was relying on something the Lord completely forbade. But this does not mean at all that the Lord forbade Himself from overriding demonic cons in order to punish a sinning believer. Consider the example of Samson. God forbade sexual immorality and marriage to unbelievers, but Samson was a blatant fornicator and decided that he must have a Philistine wife, and an unbelieving one too. We know from the Scriptures that this was something that God meant to use to pick a fight with the Philistines, but does that mean then that Samson was right to seek such a marriage? Absolutely not. The Lord knows what He is working with (Psalm 103:14), and He makes the perfect use of it. The Lord knew that Saul would go to the medium instead of repenting his rebellion against Him, so He overrode the seance and condemned him to death for his stubbornness through Samuel.

Third, in light of the above, I will respond to your use of Ecclesiastes 9:5. As I said of a similar objection, this life is where we fight, where we choose and confirm our allegiance, whether to the Lord or to Satan. This is the place where we deliberately choose to find, listen to and hear the Truth, learn it, believe it, and help other believers to do the same. Only while we are still alive in this body can we make a choice to do this. After we die, we can no longer choose. What we experience after death is a sealing of our choice. So, there is no "knowledge" after death that counts. After we die, we come face to face with the Truth and can no longer choose to ignore it. So, for example, the rich man in Torments in Luke 16 is not arguing whether God exists or whether the Lord Jesus is the true Savior. Rather he is asking for relief from his torment and for the Truth to be given to his brothers so that they do not end up in Torments with him. The dead can no longer learn, because they can see the Truth clearly with no mortality shielding them from true reality anymore. They can gain no more rewards because they have finished making their choices. Their rewards or lack thereof is now a confirmed matter. Nothing can be added to or taken away from what they have chosen. Their own books are complete. This does not mean that those who died in the Faith know nothing about what goes on on Earth. Samuel obviously knew, and in Revelation, we see that the saints who have gone to be with the Lord have access to the sea of ice before God's Throne through which all those in Heaven can view events on Earth. We are also told in Hebrews 12:1 that those who have already gone to be with the Lord form "a great cloud of witnesses" cheering us on in our own pilgrimage through this world. So, contrary to your argument, the dead do know plenty. But that knowledge is no longer of account to them, since they have already finished making and confirming their own choices here on Earth.

Fourth, as I said, I have already told you about "sleep." I have nothing new to say about that here.

This is the Dumbest crap I have ever read.

You really need to write your own Bible.

blueAgent:
Ihedinobi3.

It's obvious you don't know what you are saying.

I have asked you a simple question which you cannot explain.

If you knew what you were saying it will take you only 3 or 4 lines to express and explain what you know rather than this lengthy meaningless thing you wrote here.

You have a free will. You have the ability to pretend that something is true when it isn't, that something is false when it isn't, that something has not been explained when it has been, that something has been explained when it has not been, etc.

In other words, I can't argue with you about what you want to believe. If you wish to believe that all your reasonable questions and challenges have not been answered, by all means do so, even if it is obviously not true.

As for the length of my answers, I don't think that any believer thinks that the Bible is meaningless or that it does not know what it is talking about just because it is so voluminous. Nor do I think that the fact that a book has been written about any given subject means that the writer knows nothing about the subject. In fact, I didn't see three or four lines in your post itself. It was quite lengthy. Yet, mine is meaningless and ignorant because it is long.

Believe me, it doesn't bother me what you want to believe. That is entirely your concern. My business is merely to teach the Truth wherever I am given to. You don't have to believe me, not unless you want the benefits that come with doing so.

If, however, you carry on teaching falsehoods that cause the children of God to stumble, you should remember

1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luke 17:1 (KJV)

1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
James 3:1 (KJV)

Here is a typical example of God creating man just like in the Genesis account Man becomes a living Soul when the body(dust) meets with the breath or life force from God which is the spirit.

The both examples no where was a soul added as claimed by false teachers.




Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Ihedinobi3

jcross19:
if there is no such thing like life after death Jesus would have not made such comparison!

The Bible let. annot be broken neither can the word of God contradicts itself.

The word of God is clear the dead know nothing.

You claim that their is life after death but the Bible says those who are dead are at rest

Revelation 14:13
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this:
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for
their deeds will follow them.”

Revelation 14:13
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this:
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for
their deeds will follow them.”


Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.

Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.


Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.

jcross19:
if there is no such thing like life after death Jesus would have not made such comparison!

Show me in this verses where there is hint of life after death.



If the righteou are alive why would they not be praising God ?

Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.


Ecclesiastes 9:5 ESV
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know
nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of
them is forgotten.

MuttleyLaff:


"I understand your confusion you seem to believe the lie that the Soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell.
That's not true, all this false teachings were brought into Christaintity by pagans.
The truth is, it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 8:16am On Nov 16

"What do you think is the Soul?
and if what goes to Heaven or Hell is the soul then why do we have a resurrection?"
- Religion / Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 9:28pm On Nov 18

Please dont insult me by saying that it's obvious I did not read the article and that I just jumped into the argument and dont patronise me with saying to m: "you can refer back to the OP to understand what a Soul is" because I did, with great eagerness and/or enthusiasm read every single comment you made on this thread, I then, was about going to order a chilled bottle of orijin plus a truckload of kolanuts for you, but then you started dropping embarrassing clangers, some like with the above emboldened and/or underlined text, at where you began to introduce some of the confusion kumulus observed of you and you even displayed your unawareness of simple facts about the physiology of man's body, soul and spirit.

As I've previously said before, I was enjoying and liking your each of your posts until when scrolling upwards to read more, I bumped into you confusing yourself that already decayed and/or decomposed human being bodies will make heaven or the lake of fire. You actually typed that its a lie that the soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell. I balked at that point in time, and said to myself, blueAgent at this point ooo, YOYO, as in meaning, blueAgent you're on your own, lol, me I no get hands for the mata with you.

For information, what all the interested parties are after, is the soul of man. It is not the body the body of man they are after, it is not the spirit of man they are after. It simply is the soul. It is why God, is in the business of paid the price for human souls and the devil equally, is so much interested in human souls too, lol. It really somewhat looks like, it is a race to the end, for the souls of man, lol

Matthew 10:28 states "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." The "body in hell" in that verse applies to the bodies that havent gone through the state or process of rotting or decomposition and become dust, through the action of bacteria, fungi, ants etcetera, lol.

blueAgent the earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added for you to all "conqueringly" answer, lol:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them or be instead, spamming Ihedinobi3 with your spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for argument(s)

You are confused.

blueAgent:


The Bible let. annot be broken neither can the word of God contradicts itself.

The word of God is clear the dead know nothing.

You claim that their is life after death but the Bible says those who are dead are at rest

Revelation 14:13
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this:
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for
their deeds will follow them.”

Revelation 14:13
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this:
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for
their deeds will follow them.”


Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.

Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.


Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.

simple question you misquoting bible to suit your miniature sense! the biggest scope to life after death is the story of rich man and Lazarus! read it again. now ecc.12 :7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it! ,luke 23:42-43 says- then he said "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43: Jesus answered him Truly I tell you,today you will be with me in paradise!. now ask yourself is Jesus drunk? how can life end on earth and Jesus promised that criminal life after death. in fact you are confused.

blueAgent:
You are confused.

blueAgent these earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added, were put to you to each and all "conqueringly" answer:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff, quickly give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them but be instead, spamming Ihedinobi with spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for senseless your argument(s) with him

Your modus operandi to simple questions is to, either, misquote them, ignore the questions, run and hide from answering the questions, hide behind a boring and tired phrase like "you are confused" lol. Someone rightly, said to you, that you are confused, which is true, but you without understanding all that means, wants to now use the same line, used for you, on me. What a laugh, smh. Fyi, blueAgent, to be confused can be a good thing sometimes, because having the right kind of confusion, starts the process for developing of wisdom, lol. I am sure you didnt know that, lol.

blueAgent:


Here is a typical example of God creating man just like in the Genesis account Man becomes a living Soul when the body(dust) meets with the breath or life force from God which is the spirit.

The both examples no where was a soul added as claimed by false teachers.




Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Ihedinobi3

I'm not sure why you addressed this to me. I did mention Genesis 2:7 and Ecclesiastes 12:7 in my follow-up questions to you on Page 1. I hold that man is a soul because he is a spirit that lives in an unresurrected body. That is what I see the Bible teach.

What I don't see the Bible teach anywhere is that man goes out of existence when he dies. That's what I've been asking you to show how the Bible teaches. Your responses have been nothing but insults and unrelated questions. In other words, you have no proof. You have only been twisting Scriptures to sell a lie.

Ihedinobi3:

I'm not sure why you addressed this to me. I did mention Genesis 2:7 and Ecclesiastes 12:7 in my follow-up questions to you on Page 1. I hold that man is a soul because he is a spirit that lives in an unresurrected body. That is what I see the Bible teach.

What I don't see the Bible teach anywhere is that man goes out of existence when he dies. That's what I've been asking you to show how the Bible teaches. Your responses have been nothing but insults and unrelated questions. In other words, you have no proof. You have only been twisting Scriptures to sell a lie.

And I asked you to show me proof that the spirit lives after death.

How can the dead know nothing when their spirit is alive?

MuttleyLaff:


blueAgent these earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added, were put to you to each and all "conqueringly" answer:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff, quickly give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them but be instead, spamming Ihedinobi with spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for senseless your argument(s) with him

Your modus operandi to simple questions is to, either, misquote them, ignore the questions, run and hide from answering the questions, hide behind a boring and tired phrase like "you are confused" lol. Someone rightly, said to you, that you are confused, which is true, but you without understanding all that means, wants to now use the same line, used for you, on me. What a laugh, smh. Fyi, blueAgent, to be confused can be a good thing sometimes, because having the right kind of confusion, starts the process for developing of wisdom, lol. I am sure you didnt know that, lol.

The answers to those questions avan e found in the OP.[img]

MuttleyLaff:


blueAgent these earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added, were put to you to each and all "conqueringly" answer:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff, quickly give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them but be instead, spamming Ihedinobi with spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for senseless your argument(s) with him

Your modus operandi to simple questions is to, either, misquote them, ignore the questions, run and hide from answering the questions, hide behind a boring and tired phrase like "you are confused" lol. Someone rightly, said to you, that you are confused, which is true, but you without understanding all that means, wants to now use the same line, used for you, on me. What a laugh, smh. Fyi, blueAgent, to be confused can be a good thing sometimes, because having the right kind of confusion, starts the process for developing of wisdom, lol. I am sure you didnt know that, lol.

The answers to those questions avan e found in the OP.[/img]

MuttleyLaff:


blueAgent these earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added, were put to you to each and all "conqueringly" answer:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff, quickly give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them but be instead, spamming Ihedinobi with spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for senseless your argument(s) with him

Your modus operandi to simple questions is to, either, misquote them, ignore the questions, run and hide from answering the questions, hide behind a boring and tired phrase like "you are confused" lol. Someone rightly, said to you, that you are confused, which is true, but you without understanding all that means, wants to now use the same line, used for you, on me. What a laugh, smh. Fyi, blueAgent, to be confused can be a good thing sometimes, because having the right kind of confusion, starts the process for developing of wisdom, lol. I am sure you didnt know that, lol.

The answers to those questions avan e found in the OP.

jcross19:
simple question you misquoting bible to suit your miniature sense! the biggest scope to life after death is the story of rich man and Lazarus! read it again. now ecc.12 :7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it! ,luke 23:42-43 says- then he said "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43: Jesus answered him Truly I tell you,today you will be with me in paradise!. now ask yourself is Jesus drunk? how can life end on earth and Jesus promised that criminal life after death. in fact you are confused.

Your brain is too small to understand and comprehend Bible verses.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable it never happened and should not be taken literally..
for the thief in the Bible the bible recolds that Jesus did not ascend to Heaven after his dearth or even after his ressurection. but he spent 40days on Earth before he was taken to Heaven.

when you look clearly on what the Bible is saying you will understand that Jesus was giving the Thief the assurance of Salvation and of inheriting Heaven.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Also people enter Heaven on the last day as Jesus said not immediately after they die.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Ihedinobi3:

You have a free will. You have the ability to pretend that something is true when it isn't, that something is false when it isn't, that something has not been explained when it has been, that something has been explained when it has not been, etc.

In other words, I can't argue with you about what you want to believe. If you wish to believe that all your reasonable questions and challenges have not been answered, by all means do so, even if it is obviously not true.

As for the length of my answers, I don't think that any believer thinks that the Bible is meaningless or that it does not know what it is talking about just because it is so voluminous. Nor do I think that the fact that a book has been written about any given subject means that the writer knows nothing about the subject. In fact, I didn't see three or four lines in your post itself. It was quite lengthy. Yet, mine is meaningless and ignorant because it is long.

Believe me, it doesn't bother me what you want to believe. That is entirely your concern. My business is merely to teach the Truth wherever I am given to. You don't have to believe me, not unless you want the benefits that come with doing so.

If, however, you carry on teaching falsehoods that cause the children of God to stumble, you should remember

1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luke 17:1 (KJV)

1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
James 3:1 (KJV)

Shame on you. Just remember that those who add or remove from God's word will face great damanation.

blueAgent:



And I asked you to show me proof that the spirit lives after death.

How can the dead know nothing when their spirit is alive?

First of all, you are the one making wild claims with your thread and I came here to demand that you substantiate them biblically. So far, you haven't been able to, so you really are in no position to make demands.

Second, I have accepted responsibility, nonetheless, to demonstrate the Bible's true position. And I have done so exhaustively, in spite of your complaint that my answers are too long, I should add. I see no reason to repeat myself. You have to actually read my responses in order to actually hear what I have to say. When you have read them, then you can tell whether or not there is anything missing. So, do go back and read my responses. If you don't see my answers to your demand for proof about how spirits live on after death and an explanation for the knowledge of the dead, you can make your demand again.

Hint: I've answered your questions and demands already.

blueAgent:
The answers to those questions and be found in the OP.

blueAgent, if the answers to those questions can be found in the original post and you know what the answers are please have the good manners to answer them yourself then instead of rudely directing me to an original post for the answers. It is you blueAgent I am interacting and dealing with not some original post somewhere.

MuttleyLaff:
blueAgent, if the answers to those questions can be found in the original post and you know what the answers are please have the good manners to answer them yourself then instead of rudely directing me to an original post for the answers. It is you blueAgent I am interacting and dealing with not some original post somewhere.

If you cannot read it then forget it.

blueAgent:
If you cannot read it then forget it.

It is not a case of if you cannot read it then forget it, but its a matter of giving you an opportunity to confirm or refute your convictions

Men of quality, self-assured men and/or spirit filled men, are not threatened by seven harmless, simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions, like you are, lol. Shame on you. Just remember that those who [s]add or remove from God's word will face great damanation[/s] dont answer questions, should not be making demands that others should answer their question(s), lol.

blueAgent:



Your brain is too small to understand and comprehend Bible verses.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable it never happened and should not be taken literally..
for the thief in the Bible the bible recolds that Jesus did not ascend to Heaven after his dearth or even after his ressurection. but he spent 40days on Earth before he was taken to Heaven.

when you look clearly on what the Bible is saying you will understand that Jesus was giving the Thief the assurance of Salvation and of inheriting Heaven.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Also people enter Heaven on the last day as Jesus said not immediately after they die.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

sorry to call you a fool! I said Jesus will not make use of such example if there is no life after death. oh I see you are a Jehovah witness oh I see .

jcross19:
sorry to call you a fool! I said Jesus will not make use of such example if there is no life after death. oh I see you are a Jehovah witness oh I see .
[quote author=jcross19 post=84335634]sorry to call you a fool! I said Jesus will not make use of such example if there is no life after death. oh I see you are a Jehovah witness oh I see .

You are too dumb to be existing honestly.

So you mean God is contradicting himself?

Here is the words of Job concerning the State of the dead.
Job said that if he had died he would had been at rest and like someone who never ever existed.
Job 3:9 Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day: 3:10 Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes. 3:11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly? 3:12 Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck? 3:13 For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest, 3:14 With kings and counsellors of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves; 3:15 Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver: 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light. 3:17 There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest. 3:18 There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor. 3:19 The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master. 3:20 Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul; 3:21 Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures; 3:22 Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?

MuttleyLaff:
It is not acse of if you cannot read it then forget it, but its a matter of giving you an opportunity to confirm or refute your convictions

Men of quality, self-assured men and/or spirit filled men, are not threatened by seven harmless, simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions, like you are, lol. Shame on you. Just remember that those who [s]add or remove from God's word will face great damanation[/s] dont answer questions, should not be making demands that others should answer their question(s), lol.

I don't have that time, like I said g to the OP or claim could on this link

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead-

jcross19:
sorry to call you a fool! I said Jesus will not make use of such example if there is no life after death. oh I see you are a Jehovah witness oh I see .

So you cannot explain why it seems that the Bible is contradicting itself.

that shows you do not know how to comprehend the what you have read.

A parable is a parable nothing special about it

Jesus gave them to illustrate a or to make a point to be clearer


Dave Ahl — November 2019
Parables Introduction Definitions, parable, fable, analogy,
count of parables
List of Parables in Order Brief descriptions and scripture
references for all 46 parables.
Parables #1-2-3-4 New cloth, New wine. Lamp on a stand.
Wise & foolish builders.
Parables #5-6 Moneylender forgives unequal debts. Lamp
on a stand (2nd time).
Parables #7-8 Rich man builds bigger barns. Servants
must remain watchful.
Parables #9-10 Wise and foolish servants. Unfruitful fig
tree.
Parable #11 Sower of seeds into four types of soil.
Parable #12 Weeds among good plants. “Kingdom of
Heaven”.
Parables #13-15 Growing seed. Mustard seed. Yeast.
“Kingdom of Heaven”.
Parables #16-19 Hidden treasure. Pearl. Fishing net. Owner
of a house. “Kingdom of Heaven”.
Parables #20-21 Lost sheep. The sheep, gate, and
shepherd.
Parables #22-23 Master and his servant. Unmerciful
servant.
Parables #24-25 Good Samaritan. Friend in need.
Parables #26-27 Lowest seat at the feast. Invitation to a
great banquet.
Parable #28 Cost of discipleship.
Parables #29-30 Lost sheep (sheep as sinners). Lost
copin.
Parable #31 Lost (prodigal) son.
Parable #32 Shrewd manager.
Parable #33 Rich man and Lazarus.
Parable #34 Workers in the vineyard, early and late.
Parables #35-36 Persistent widow and crooked judge.
Praying: Pharisee and tax collector.
Parable #37 King's servants given minas.
Parables #38-39 Two sons, one obeys, one does not.
Wicked tenants.
Parable #40 Invitation to a wedding banquet.
Parables #41-42 Signs from a fig tree. Wise and foolish
servants.
Parables #43-44 Wise and foolish virgins. Servants must
remain watchful.
Parable #45 Three servants given talents.
Parable #46 Sheep and goats will be separated

Ihedinobi3:

First of all, you are the one making wild claims with your thread and I came here to demand that you substantiate them biblically. So far, you haven't been able to, so you really are in no position to make demands.

Second, I have accepted responsibility, nonetheless, to demonstrate the Bible's true position. And I have done so exhaustively, in spite of your complaint that my answers are too long, I should add. I see no reason to repeat myself. You have to actually read my responses in order to actually hear what I have to say. When you have read them, then you can tell whether or not there is anything missing. So, do go back and read my responses. If you don't see my answers to your demand for proof about how spirits live on after death and an explanation for the knowledge of the dead, you can make your demand again.

Hint: I've answered your questions and demands already.

It's obvious you have boxed yourself into a corner, hence your inability to answer my questions.

You claim that the Soul lives on and cannot die.

That's a very big lie because the Bible says the soul can die.
The soul is not Immorttal neither is man.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.



1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



The spirit does not have Immortality the Bible says only God has Immortality .
remember that God is a spirit, so if the Bible says is Only God that has Immortality than it means that no other spirit has Immortality. That includes the Devil and the spirit of man