uninspired07:
I know this my thread might get some people angry but it’s a subject that surprises me whenever I think of it. How do normal Nigerians who are educated have more than 2 children in a country like Nigeria with all the poverty & hopelessness? I am still single but I have it in mind to lay a ground rule that whichever woman I marry must agree to family planing methods after the birth of the 1st child whether male or female. And if the 1st baby is male, we can as well wait for another 5 years before having a baby of either sex as the last.

But I wonder when I see Nigerians that are not so wealthy giving birth to 4 - 5 kids in the midst of grinding economic depression and in a nation that has clearly failed. Don’t these Nigerians know that the country can descend into war anytime due to the instability that is so palpable? I get afraid when I see couples who have 4 children in this day & age so I always wonder how they are coping with the stress & the bills. I also wonder why they are not afraid of Nigeria.

tempusfugit:
So you prefer to make life difficult for your kids because you re afraid

Kirinwa:


Define difficult? Do you think I will birth children I can't cater for?

Litmus:
Let us at this juncture sum up what we have so far: why is it that in Asia we have two nations with significantly larger population than Nigeria and one that share approximate population size with Nigeria and yet the West makes such a fuss of Nigeria and Africa’s population?

Pakistan: 216,565,318 million
Indonesia : 270.63 million
Bangladesh: 163.05 million

Khaleell001:


That is why I don't take anyone serious who talks about child limitation or family planning as it were because these people are so myopic that they forget[b] God gives and take[/b].
You are planning life and you forget anything, anytime can happen under the will of the one who created life

Do you remember the woman whose Children were lost in the Sosoliso air clash in 2003 (I guess).
She was weeping so badly that she said if there was any way she could have babies again.
Imagine a woman with three kids in one the best schools in Abuja oh.

This is why I don't personally give a damn about whether economy is bad or good.
Have as much children you and be responsible for them.
And we forget that not everyone will be a graduate. Some will be good drivers, good businessmen and some will be good farmers.
And you don't know which will benefit you or forsake you.
Just be a good,caring father that's all

People should stop basing every success in life on education.
Dangote and Adenuga are not the most schooled yet they are making waves.
Even the late Alhaji Inu Umoru from Edo state the Co owner of Setraco construction company was not a graduate.

Life is so complex for one to see it from one lenses.

I know of many people who struggled initially with many children, but he was responsible and made sure they all did something with their lives and today this parents are being inundated with allsoet of gift everytime to the extent they now give out these goodies.

tempusfugit:
You stil didn't get the point, is not about others but about the problems we have in our country, our population is one of our problems, all what we saying is the quality of our population is very low therefore a society with such a population can never develop fully... take it or leave it

Litmus:


With all due respect, I understand the politics of population control - possibly more than you do.

uninspired07:


Lol....this is funny. I will pass, thanks.

johnkey:
Poor people shouldn't even have kids, bringing innocent souls into the world to suffer them.

uninspired07:


What about family planning?

NiCurious:


Yes, I would. To me, preventing conception of unwanted children is preferable to aborting them.
Also, I did not ADVISE you to have a vasectomy. I pointed it out as an option. Choosing such may fit with the values of others reading this thread, who are considering their options for keeping the size of their family within limits.

HazzanTazzan:


I'd stick to family planning and aborting if it fails at any point ...

Why remove the feature totally?

What if the need arises in future in case of unforseen havoc?

Obi1kenobi:


Mr man, it has nothing to do with God. It is African backwardness and ignorance that makes us breed like rats. Children are still seen as indication of virility in men. Women are still treated as baby machines and valued by their childbearing capacity rather than their intellectual output. This is why Subsaharan Africa is by far the least productive, most backward region in the world. There is a strong correlation between poverty and low education and breeding rates. Our cultural failures and unproductivity is the reason Africans have more time than anyone else in the world to breed.

James39:
See the minimum and maximum should be 4.

I can't give birth to 1 boy and 1 gal.

That's my take. I don't care what others think.

if your parent were so careful not to go beyond 2 kids you won't be here typing this. I'm sure you are not the 1st neither the 2nd.

we are 10 in numbers and we are doing fine.

Typical backward black man mentality

razible5384:
weird mindset of this nature is what is caging this country in economical crossroads

NiCurious:


Thank you for your explanation. If that is what works best for you, use it. Let's hope it does, indeed, work. The unforeseen havoc you refer to...there are a lot of ifs, ands, and buts I can imagine, but discussing that would be a long side-journey on someone else's thread.

Khaleell001:



Your argument is still one sided.
If population was a bane rather than a boon China will not be bulldozing it's way past countries with lesser population the way it's doing.
And you know how they implementatend their one child policy only to later rescind that decision.
Nigeria's problem has not to do with is population bit it's policies and creating the enabling environment.
Even countries that were into having less population are now paying couples to give birth to more kids because they now see the advantage in it.
Japan an advanced nation is looking deeply into this and I think may have started or have already started encouraging its citizens to procreate more based on the skewed population ratio between the old and the young.

And again, who is talking about women's education or virility as it were. Even at that, it is just one or two metrics out of many metrics that determine the over all out put of a country humans and natural resources.

All in all, poverty is not really defined by the number of children one has,but how he manages and he is able to enhance his resources within his reach.

The crux of the matter is, if you like have no children, if you like have only one,it does not guarantee that you would be better than those with more.
We have too many life lessons to speak from and stop seeing life based on statistics and books alone there is more to it than taking meets the eye.

BOTTOM LINE :
Life is a competition and not everything is assured.

Abagworo:



[s]The harsh words some of you use on Nigeria amazes me.. There's room for all class of people to have as much children as they wish and take care of them.[/s]

ememonl:



[s]Bro, don't work by sight, work by faith. I come from a family of 7 kids. We went through the toughest of times because my God fearing popsi will not compromise his faith to practice corruption. In the end what we gained most is character, humility, discipline and a fierce fighting spirit. No single sense of entitlement.

Today our last born is in a private university. Our first is a bank manager, second is a doctor in law lecturing in a prestigious university in Melbourn, I have just established a multi million naira factory, my younger ones are starting up real good.

Believe me when I say Nigeria is better now than before. I still remember during Abacha era when my family will have absolutely nothing to eat some days despite both my parents being senior civil servants. My popsi stayed beck at home on two occasions because no TP to get to work. People actually fed from trash cans back then.

Like I said don't work by sight. Work by faith. I know this because when I look at my popsi now am just happy for him. We are still coming up and he is already balling. Remember children are the blessing of God.[/s]

1Sharon:


Is vasectomy the only form of contraception you know

Toneyo:


Family planning failed me twice. I mean two different methods failed.

Contraceptive pills gives my wife lots of side effects. I have to consider her too. She is human.

Litmus:
Let us at this juncture sum up what we have so far: why is it that in Asia we have two nations with significantly larger population than Nigeria and one that share approximate population size with Nigeria and yet the West makes such a fuss of Nigeria and Africa’s population?

Pakistan: 216,565,318 million
Indonesia : 270.63 million
Bangladesh: 163.05 million

uninspired07:


If family planning fails, we abort.

We would not get into trouble as couple because we fvcked as a couple.

I fear Nigerian poverty a lot & all must be done to avoid it.

HazzanTazzan:


Vasectomy is an irreversible step and I can get you no sane human will consider that unless in medically critical condition that only vasectomy can solve...


So let's be truthful here, 99.99% will say NO to vasectomy just because they want to avoid more children

If population was a bane rather than a boon China will not be bulldozing it's way past countries with lesser population the way it's doing.
And you know how they implementatend their one child policy only to later rescind that decision.

Nigeria's problem has not to do with is population bit it's policies and creating the enabling environment.
Even countries that were into having less population are now paying couples to give birth to more kids because they now see the advantage in it.
Japan an advanced nation is looking deeply into this and I think may have started or have already started encouraging its citizens to procreate more based on the skewed population ratio between the old and the young.

All in all, poverty is not really defined by the number of children one has, but how he manages and he is able to enhance his resources within his reach.

BOTTOM LINE: Life is a competition and not everything is assured.

Litmus:
Let us at this juncture sum up what we have so far: why is it that in Asia we have two nations with significantly larger population than Nigeria and one that share approximate population size with Nigeria and yet the West makes such a fuss of Nigeria and Africa’s population?

Pakistan: 216,565,318 million
Indonesia : 270.63 million
Bangladesh: 163.05 million

1Sharon:


Cos african population is more than asia

zed7:

Screwing for leisure is no crime. A lot of rich people do so also. What we should be wondering is why they don't do family planning.
Family planning is cheap and even free in some clinics. It still baffles me how people don't understand that they don't have to have kids just because they are having sex.

Gerrard59:


Not true. Asia is more populated than Africa but Asian countries are richer while African nations are poorer and no one talks to a rich person anyhow.