Magnoliaa:


The part at red. I've had a strong feeling about that being so. Judging from some of her threads and comments. I think she'll come around to accepting that, soon.

Michellekabod2:
hmmn....finding masculinity attractive makes me bad or a hypocrite?
I can't have a spec of my own(which I am not imposing on others) without being bullied by theakuko?

My personal life doesn't interfere with my feminism,all I am interested in is equality for both men and women

What is masculinity? Where does the "prototype" come from? What makes you a feminist? And your idea of equality "rest" on what? Your choices doesn't make you bad, no. You're not being bullied.

In this thread, you said you find a man picking a broom less masculine. In other words, chores emasculate a man to you. He's less than a man, less than the standard imposed by the society. You're, maybe subconsciously, 'okaying' the gender roles. There's nothing wrong with a domesticated man. You may not find him attractive, but that doesn't mean he isn't a man. We are here trying to get more men to be at the forefront of affairs in the homeplace. It won't remove from their 'manliness' to care for their kids and do things in their own homes.

Lol. Personal life doesn't interfere with your feminism? Are you "hanging" your coat now? You're a feminist outside, but inside your patriarchal man rules. I don't get it. Why can and should your personal life not interfere with your advocacy? Are you saying it's okay to be two-faced, hypocritical... if your life is free. What does your clamor means to you.

lavylilly:
Only if all men can be like my future husband, there won't be need for a house help.

See future boo,
On Saturdays I know as a business man you can take the day off for family business's sake.
First I prepare breakfast we all eat and get ready for the day's hassle.

I will be in the kitchen cooking lunch.
You will be mopping the floors and tidying our space while the kids will be outside the compound playing,
After that,

You go bath the kids and stay with them while i run a little laundry cos we must have a washing machine so everything will be easy going,

When we are done with house chores..
We can all sleep and rest from the day's hassle and probably perform our marital duty to each other(my favorite part�)..

Some Sundays you can hangout with your friends and do boy's things...
Some Sundays too it would be my turn to leave you with the kids and hangout with my friends and do girls things..
Other Sundays it would be family outing..

On school days
While I wake up to go prepare breakfast and what the kids will take to school,
You are up too bathing the kids and preparing them for school.
Either you or me can DRIVE the kids to school.

While we do this together, the love,the fire and bond in our Union will never quench .

Oh, of course we both would be earning in our various businesses or job and be bringing money home for our family's welfare...

Other men,
You see why you should all be like my future husband? You see??

To avoid assumed stories of the so called possessed wicked house helps

I come in peace..
Thanks�

Magnoliaa:


What is masculinity? Where does the "prototype" come from? What makes you a feminist? And your idea of equality "rest" on what? Your choices doesn't make you bad, no. You're not being bullied.

In this thread, you said you find a man picking a broom less masculine. In other words, chores emasculate a man to you. He's less than a man, less than the standard imposed by the society. You're, maybe subconsciously, 'okaying' the gender roles. There's nothing wrong with a domesticated man. You may not find him attractive, but that doesn't mean he isn't a man. We are here trying to get more men to be at the forefront of affairs in the homeplace. It won't remove from their 'manliness' to care for their kids and do things in their own homes.

Lol. Personal life doesn't interfere with your feminism? Are you "hanging" your coat now? You're a feminist outside, but inside your patriarchal man rules. I don't get it. Why can and should your personal life not interfere with your advocacy? Are you saying it's okay to be two-faced, hypocritical... if your life is free. What does your clamor means to you.

Magnoliaa:


The part at red. I've had a strong feeling about that being so. Judging from some of her threads and comments. I think she'll come around to accepting that, soon.

I totally agree with you.

If she wasn't a feminist (as she claims to be) I would have overlooked that comment she made on the presumption that she is probably a traditionalist. But what irks me is that this same "feminist" who is supposed to be fighting against gender-based stereotypes for women is now the same person expressing that same gender-based stereotypes as it concerns men. So what then makes her a feminist?

She sees a man as a pu**y for deciding to keep his home clean with a broom. I mean I seriously don't get it. How does a man taking up a broom to sweep his house and keep his surroundings clean suddenly translate to him being a pu**y? I mean how? Or is she trying to say that sweeping is meant for only those who actually have pu**ies as in women?

The Lord is her strength shaa. I pray she realises the error of her ways in time.

CHEERS

XhosaNostra:
LOL! This is funny. Why would you want your man to mop the floor?
Maybe I'm too "house proud" because I prefer doing the house chores myself, to get it to a certain standard of cleanliness. I can't have someone else doing a shoddy job of it.

Anyway, to each their own. I personally don't want a man to do chores around the house, that's my faculty. I'm capable of doing that, single-handedly. His job is to go out & make money.

theakuko:




I totally agree with you.

If she wasn't a feminist (as she claims to be) I would have overlooked that comment she made on the presumption that she is probably a traditionalist. But what irks me is that this same "feminist" who is supposed to be fighting against gender-based stereotypes for women is now the same person expressing that same gender-based stereotypes as it concerns men. So what then makes her a feminist?

She sees a man as a pu**y for deciding to keep his home clean with a broom. I mean I seriously don't get it. How does a man taking up a broom to sweep his house and keep his surroundings clean suddenly translate to him being a pu**y? I mean how? Or is she trying to say that sweeping is meant for only those who actually have pu**ies as in women?

The Lord is her strength shaa. I pray she realises the error of her ways in time.

CHEERS

Petyprincess:
I doubt men like this exist in Nigeria.

EMEKUSBOY9:
All i see here are " selfish interest"

lavylilly:
Only if all men can be like my future husband, there won't be need for a house help.

See future boo,
On Saturdays I know as a business man you can take the day off for family business's sake.
First I prepare breakfast we all eat and get ready for the day's hassle.

I will be in the kitchen cooking lunch.
You will be mopping the floors and tidying our space while the kids will be outside the compound playing,
After that,

You go bath the kids and stay with them while i run a little laundry cos we must have a washing machine so everything will be easy going,

When we are done with house chores..
We can all sleep and rest from the day's hassle and probably perform our marital duty to each other(my favorite part�)..

Some Sundays you can hangout with your friends and do boy's things...
Some Sundays too it would be my turn to leave you with the kids and hangout with my friends and do girls things..
Other Sundays it would be family outing..

On school days
While I wake up to go prepare breakfast and what the kids will take to school,
You are up too bathing the kids and preparing them for school.
Either you or me can DRIVE the kids to school.

While we do this together, the love,the fire and bond in our Union will never quench .

Oh, of course we both would be earning in our various businesses or job and be bringing money home for our family's welfare...

Other men,
You see why you should all be like my future husband? You see??

To avoid assumed stories of the so called possessed wicked house helps

I come in peace..
Thanks�

Michellekabod2:

Remember the opposition I faced when I created my thread of "my idea of feminism" by feminists?Remember how I was accused by feminists of trying to control women's choices?now the same is done to me.

Is it hard to understand that a person having his/her own individual view of what he/she finds attractive in a man/women makes the person a hypocrite? I can't and will never see things like everyone. I never said a man who sweeps is emasculated,I said "TO ME,those men are",my views are not factual but merely subjective,I have never told ladies or guys on what to do.

Preaching that men who hold brooms are emasculated is wrong-I will never endorse that,but me deciding that I will not marry a man that does so is not wrong.

You are clearly ignorant of what hypocrisy is. A hypocrite is someone that comes online to rant "domestic chores are for everyone,not just males and females" and then go offline to insist a man or woman must do domestic chores.

I dont project the idea that men or women should behave in a particular way,I just decide for myself what I want- without harming others.

The fact I have acknowledged that a typical man and woman have differences beyond a penis and vagina doesn't mean I accept social construct.

Biologically hormones affect the way men and women think,for example oxytocin is usually released in a lady during sex but not so for a man. It can be proven and isn't just a social construct.

Understanding the typically man and woman psychology doesn't make me accept gender constructs. Gender constructs are created by society to control men and women. While I personally studying men and women based on my PERSONAL experience with them in order to understand them but doesn't make me accept social constructs. This is from me,not from the society. No society is influencing me here
Men and women are Equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities,but I personally love
the guy I end up with to have some particular traits.
Feminism doesn't decide for people what to choose and how to see men and women.
Feminism says treat men and women equally,give them equal chances but it doesn't say "see them" as the same. Feminism was not created to convince or make people see men and women as neutral. It was created to give women chances like men. Masculinity/femininity is not limited to traditional roles .

Whatever you think of me doesn't concern me.
Don't be concerned of my subconscious mind as regards to men or women

lavylilly:
Only if all men can be like my future husband, there won't be need for a house help.

See future boo,
On Saturdays I know as a business man you can take the day off for family business's sake.
First I prepare breakfast we all eat and get ready for the day's hassle.

I will be in the kitchen cooking lunch.
You will be mopping the floors and tidying our space while the kids will be outside the compound playing,
After that,

You go bath the kids and stay with them while i run a little laundry cos we must have a washing machine so everything will be easy going,

When we are done with house chores..
We can all sleep and rest from the day's hassle and probably perform our marital duty to each other(my favorite part�)..

Some Sundays you can hangout with your friends and do boy's things...
Some Sundays too it would be my turn to leave you with the kids and hangout with my friends and do girls things..
Other Sundays it would be family outing..

On school days
While I wake up to go prepare breakfast and what the kids will take to school,
You are up too bathing the kids and preparing them for school.
Either you or me can DRIVE the kids to school.

While we do this together, the love,the fire and bond in our Union will never quench .

Oh, of course we both would be earning in our various businesses or job and be bringing money home for our family's welfare...

Other men,
You see why you should all be like my future husband? You see??

To avoid assumed stories of the so called possessed wicked house helps

I come in peace..
Thanks�

Magnoliaa:


How? I don't remember much of what happened on that thread. Who's doing anything to you?




Nope. Nothing is hard to understand. No one is calling out your personal preferences here, but the impact your personal preferences is having on the movement you choose to support. Imagine a commissioner for women affairs saying she finds domestic work cute for women. Her personal choice? Yes.
But linking that with the post she holds? Is that what she's supposed to be endorsing?

You're saying the same thing. Whether it's to you. You still find men who sweep less masculine. So, a man should not sweep for him to be more attractive to you. As a man. Your views not being factual is not a defense.




Why won't you? Because it makes him less masculine. When some men already believe that cooking, washing and sweeping is below them. Not a man thing. It is not a man thing to you too. It's your reason here,
you get? The reason for your choices and what informs them.






Okay. I hear you.



Why did you say a man that sweeps is less masculine to you then?





I understand. But besides the point. If the traits you want are reinforcing the harmful male behaviours... I'm a feminist but I want my man to be able to shut me up. With force or any means available, because it's in a man to be respected and domineering. My man must be able to control me...... It's just what I want.




Alright

Magnoliaa:
Okay, Mich. ...your truth.

And quit feeling attacked. I'm accusing you, I'm painting you, feminists bully you, guys do this.

[b]Don't take things too personal. [/b]We're just discussing. Even though it's a disagreement, yes.

lavylilly:
Only if all men can be like my future husband, there won't be need for a house help.

See future boo,
On Saturdays I know as a business man you can take the day off for family business's sake.
First I prepare breakfast we all eat and get ready for the day's hassle.

I will be in the kitchen cooking lunch.
You will be mopping the floors and tidying our space while the kids will be outside the compound playing,
After that,

You go bath the kids and stay with them while i run a little laundry cos we must have a washing machine so everything will be easy going,

When we are done with house chores..
We can all sleep and rest from the day's hassle and probably perform our marital duty to each other(my favorite part�)..

Some Sundays you can hangout with your friends and do boy's things...
Some Sundays too it would be my turn to leave you with the kids and hangout with my friends and do girls things..
Other Sundays it would be family outing..

On school days
While I wake up to go prepare breakfast and what the kids will take to school,
You are up too bathing the kids and preparing them for school.
Either you or me can DRIVE the kids to school.

While we do this together, the love,the fire and bond in our Union will never quench .

Oh, of course we both would be earning in our various businesses or job and be bringing money home for our family's welfare...

Other men,
You see why you should all be like my future husband? You see??

To avoid assumed stories of the so called possessed wicked house helps

I come in peace..
Thanks�

lavylilly:

Oreofepeters:
Kuku say you're looking for a house boy na

Petyprincess:
I doubt men like this exist in Nigeria.

Petyprincess:
I doubt men like this exist in Nigeria.

lavylilly:
Only if all men can be like my future husband, there won't be need for a house help.

See future boo,
On Saturdays I know as a business man you can take the day off for family business's sake.
First I prepare breakfast we all eat and get ready for the day's hassle.

I will be in the kitchen cooking lunch.
You will be mopping the floors and tidying our space while the kids will be outside the compound playing,
After that,

You go bath the kids and stay with them while i run a little laundry cos we must have a washing machine so everything will be easy going,

When we are done with house chores..
We can all sleep and rest from the day's hassle and probably perform our marital duty to each other(my favorite part�)..

Some Sundays you can hangout with your friends and do boy's things...
Some Sundays too it would be my turn to leave you with the kids and hangout with my friends and do girls things..
Other Sundays it would be family outing..

On school days
While I wake up to go prepare breakfast and what the kids will take to school,
You are up too bathing the kids and preparing them for school.
Either you or me can DRIVE the kids to school.

While we do this together, the love,the fire and bond in our Union will never quench .

Oh, of course we both would be earning in our various businesses or job and be bringing money home for our family's welfare...

Other men,
You see why you should all be like my future husband? You see??

To avoid assumed stories of the so called possessed wicked house helps

I come in peace..
Thanks�