Coldie:

Northerners would oppose it

Majority of them would, but with determined president it can be achieved.

horsepower102:


I will cut through and just say to you that your thinking is not grounded on reality.

Your response is based on aspirations and hope. Basically a fantasy.

well, you are actually right. But so is any other person's opinions also, because it's a mere thought that will become idea and new idea and or hope usually looks fantasy ab initio.

Hence, with a strong and well determined president I believe it can be achieved. Thank you.

You are right about 1957, however Biafran wasn't on the radar of the Igbos then because most Igbos were the vanguards of a United Nigeria then.


Around the early 1950s when the Action Group were pushing for Nigeria's Independence, the Northern power brokers were opposed to Independence in 1953 or 1957 but suggested disintegration if the the Southerners didn't backdown on the agitations for Independence.

Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe (one of the most influential politicians in the whole of Africa at that time) strongly canvassed for one Nigeria and was found of saying 'we must prevent a Pakistan in Nigeria'.

The Action Group , led by Awolowo supported one Nigeria but with a seccession clause in the Constitution which can be invoked after 25 years of Nigerian nationhood.

Zik and top echelon of Igbo political elites strongly promoted one Nigeria in all the constitutional conferences between 1950-1960 with the background hope that the emerging Nigeria will be a Country they can easily dominate.

selemempe:
he also had the chance to end the war when the tides were against him...he waited till millions died before he yielded...that was an unreasonable decision...zik, okpara and a few other top igbos stood by him at the start of the war...by the end they had all deserted him

See our best bet of getting Biafra was not 1967 and it is not now either...our best bet was 1957 after the east had just gained independence and could have declared itself separate in a democratic process that the British would have had no choice but to accept

Our short-sighted leaders squandered that opportunity

adamx23:

You guys are clowns. lol.. Hope you wouldn't be expecting Nigeria to feed you again if the war starts...

Like Nigeria is feeding the north east right now abi

tatatar:

Really
You're downplaying causing people's death abi

Fulani herdsmen atrocity is the singular thing that may cause the disintegration of this country.

Their barbaric acts may also lead to serious famine and food insecurity as most people are afraid to go to their farms.

You can never compare the supposed fake being sold by Igbos to this terrorist

oyatz:
I am a firm believer in the democratic system and the right to self determination.

However, this referendum case isn't as easy as you are assuming.


1) Who has the power to order for the referendum? Is it the President, the National Assembly or Supreme Court?

2) The referendum will be conducted exactly on which Geographical area?

The Five States in the SE, SE +SS , the whole of the old Eastern Region or States that are nominated by Nnamdi Kanu/IPOB?

3) Who is eligible to vote in the referendum? Is it ALL residents (regardless of their tribes) in a State or is it members of certain tribes (Igbos, Efik and Ibibio etc) alone that will vote?

How do you define who is an Igbo, Efik, Ijaw or Ogoni? Any clear cut definition of membership of the affected tribes?

Will members of the affected tribes return home to vote or vote wherever they are presently residing?

4) How do you interpret the results of the referendum? Is it two-third majority of the State population or the voters?

If the voters in let's say Nzam voted against secession but the secession votes is successful in the overall votes in Anambra State, what will happen to LGAs that voted against secession?

5) Which voters' register will be used?

6) Which body will actually conduct the referendum? Is it INEC or each State Independent Electoral Commisions?

Personally, I dont like to call it secession. I call it separation. Ideally in a democracy, there are 3 stages before separation, sensitisation, legislation and referendum. Sensitisation and Mass-mobilisation is when a group of people raise the awareness to the public on the need for a particular area to be independent. If the group is successful in gaining support for its cause within the area it wants separated then it is inevitable that at some point, political leaders or representatives of that area will approach the national assembly of that country to seek referendum and thats when the legislative part of the process begins.

The questions you have raised are what will be answered during the legislative part of the process, not the sensitisation and mobilization part.

Using IPOB as an example, IPOB said they want referendum in the SS/SE area. IPOB was sensitising and mobilising people in those areas before they were banned.

The point Im trying to make is these questions are not relevant at this stage of sensitisation. The separatists must first win the people over over before these questions are answered are the legislative phase

A SENATOR IN THE SENATE YESTERDAY PLEADED WITH HIS COLLEAGUES TO ADAPT THE EXCLUSIVE LIST TO CONCURRENT PERMISSIVENESS OF OUR 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES. THIS IS TRIABLE.

[why is it so so easy for you to call people fools? quote author=sweetsell post=87561997]

Do you know the meaning of agitation ?
If you don't what Biafra is doing what is it called?
Can you now see that you were born a fool ? [/quote]

christopher123:
I dubt, if you know igbo very well, they are republican and never in hostory of igbo that anyone dictate, even kanu is been called to order...Igbo do not follow one man, they follow logics

He was only scare-mongering the minority tribes in that post.

gidgiddy:


Personally, I dont like to call it secession. I call it separation. Ideally in a democracy, there are 3 stages before separation, sensitisation, legislation and referendum. Sensitisation and Mass-mobilisation is when a group of people raise the awareness to the public on the need for a particular area to be independent. If the group is successful in gaining support for its cause within the area it wants separated then it is inevitable that at some point, political leaders or representatives of that area will approach the national assembly of that country to seek referendum and thats when the legislative part of the process begins.

The questions you have raised are what will be answered during the legislative part of the process, not the sensitisation and mobilization part.

Using IPOB as an example, IPOB said they want referendum in the SS/SE area. IPOB was sensitising and mobilising people in those areas before they were banned.

The point Im trying to make is these questions are not relevant at this stage of sensitisation. The separatists must first win the people over over before these questions are answered are the legislative phase

Woww, you've finally agreed to what we've been telling you all the while, about involving the reps of the people which is the legislature both at state and federal level.

No amount of noise Kanu and IPOB decide to make that would make anyone including the international community listen to them without the involvement of the reps of the people.
We are making progress obviously

sweetsell:




Foolish igbo pointing out the shortcoming of others but as always want their own shortcoming to be overlooked

Rule 2

christopher123:
But that is the truth...it is econmics. traffic would crash in lagos and abuja airports, embassies would relcate, banks would feel the impacts...and there would be disruption in Nigerian economy...if you want to know how Nigeria would look like if igbo leave...look at lagos by Dec 29th to januray 3rd...iT WOULD GIVE YOU A CLEAR PICTURE...it is simple economics

Look Mr Man I have been reading some stupid comments of how economic activities will crash in Nigeria if igbos leave, but what you fail to understand is that business is all about space when you guys leave others will take over in short I remember when northern leaders asked igbos leave some people we're happy saying let them go so they can take over those shops and type of business they do.

selemempe:
there are many multi million business of Nigeria in South East

For every Igbo shop in Lagos there are major banks in south east belonging to Nigeria

Glo and MTN, hotels and petrol stations, breweries and beverage companies

There are 20 million Igbos living in your dreams not in Nigeria

You people are funny now listen, when Nigeria spilts you think you think baifra will become a developed country in 10 yrs ahbi, when Nigeria splits all the regions become new young countries and just like Nigeria and many African countries including tiny Ghana we have to identify our problems before we even think of developing just like how it took Nigeria about 60 yrs to identify about 90 percent of our problems and now working on those problems is what left to do it will take those new countries decedes to identify their problems not to even talk of working on them, so by time biafra,oduwa and arewa begin to work on what's affecting their countries growth many African countries maybe including the likes of Chad, niger or Ghana will have gone far

Dedetwo:


When did the number of people from a group seeking secession who live outside their territory determine if sovereignty should be granted? Must every Igbo person vacate their place of abode and return to Igbo land in order to achieve independence? The stream of thought of most Africans bags for human clarity. Sometimes it downs on me that Africa is created for unending backwardness.

You can't eat your cake and have it look we are all sick and tired of this country.
The moment this country break, everyone must go to their country. the reason we are breaking up the country is because we don't like each other.
So why would anyone wants to stay put in a place they fought to be free from?.

7lives:


You can't eat your cake and have it look we are all sick and tired of this country.
The moment this country break, everyone must go to their country. the reason we are breaking up the country is because we don't like each other.
So why would anyone wants to stay put in a place they fought to be free from?.

Abule ARO,go and hustle,e lo wa ise se o...quit eyeing other people's properties lolsssssss.

The only people eyeing other people's money, properties are agberoes, pickpockets,etc.

BAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!!!!

spendoon:

You people are funny now listen, when Nigeria spilts you think you think baifra will become a developed country in 10 yrs ahbi, when Nigeria splits all the regions become new young countries and just like Nigeria and many African countries including tiny Ghana we have to identify our problems before we even think of developing just like how it took Nigeria about 60 yrs to identify about 90 percent of our problems and now working on those problems is what left to do it will take those new countries decedes to identify their problems not to even talk of working on them, so by time biafra,oduwa and arewa begin to work on what's affecting their countries growth many African countries maybe including the likes of Chad, niger or Ghana will have gone far

You just don't know what you are talking at all....

Area4Area:
Woww, you've finally agreed to what we've been telling you all the while, about involving the reps of the people which is the legislature both at state and federal level.

No amount of noise Kanu and IPOB decide to make that would make anyone including the international community listen to them without the involvement of the reps of the people.
We are making progress obviously

Sorry but please always try and reason,think before speaking...how on earth do you think those reps who are on their own, enjoying their I'll millions be in support of such cause!?!? Even if they do,are they in the majority at the nass?!
Constitution amendment Bill has been lying in the archives for God knows how long,is it secession bill those so called northern majority nass members that will be assented to?
Look, going official in naija is DoA.
Naija need something drastic and forceful

MasterKernel:



[/b]It's not possible, except you won't be a member of UN[b]. They are charters that protects the property of individuals in foreign land. The worst is to enact hostile policies, but then... It will affect you badly.

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Is Venezuela and Iran not a member of the UN? Every country has the right to Nationalise any business on their territory. When murtala Muhammed nationalised some British companies in Nigeria, were we part of the UN or not?

spendoon:

You people are funny now listen, when Nigeria spilts you think you think baifra will become a developed country in 10 yrs ahbi, when Nigeria splits all the regions become new young countries and just like Nigeria and many African countries including tiny Ghana we have to identify our problems before we even think of developing just like how it took Nigeria about 60 yrs to identify about 90 percent of our problems and now working on those problems is what left to do it will take those new countries decedes to identify their problems not to even talk of working on them, so by time biafra,oduwa and arewa begin to work on what's affecting their countries growth many African countries maybe including the likes of Chad, niger or Ghana will have gone far

lol... childish analysis. Which of Nigeria's problem has it solved since 1960?

It was when Ireland left UK that it started developing. That was in the 1920s.... today it is by far more developed than UK

Biafra and Oduduwa will over take most African countries in 20 years tops

selemempe:
lol... childish analysis. Which of Nigeria's problem has it solved since 1960?

It was when Ireland left UK that it started developing. That was in the 1920s.... today it is by far more developed than UK

Biafra and Oduduwa will over take most African countries in 20 years tops

Infant analysis, biafra will be a failed country with alot of Visa bans while oduduwa and arewa will be no different from Benin and Niger republic, look just face the truth because as it is now no region can be self sufficient except the Niger Delta in short arewa and oduduwa have better chance because of sea access and agriculture if you know you know. FYI Ireland can never be more developed than the uk

Only someone with incurable optimism, or extended myopia of all the senses will still think that Nigeria is working.

This isn't about Biafra or not Biafra.

This is about having smaller countries running efficiently and providing a better life that their former state of union could not.

40/50 years ago, the same problems afflicting Nigeria is still afflicting it.

Poor power supply, corruption, nepotism in high and low places, ethnic and religious strife.

Nigerians have never been united. And it's not going to happen now, especially as we have C-

in as much as we are all african, we are all dwell in ethnicity, trust me if ibo secede or any other tribe secede, their will be another case of marginalization not between inter-tribal but intra-tribe. we started hearing ibo enugu are been marginazed by abia ibo, yoruba ogun are dominating odua republic, kano hausa are dominating arewa e.t.c

spendoon:

Infant analysis, biafra will be a failed country with alot of Visa bans while oduduwa and arewa will be no different from Benin and Niger republic, look just face the truth because as it is now no region can be self sufficient except the Niger Delta in short arewa and oduduwa have better chance because of sea access and agriculture if you know you know. FYI Ireland can never be more developed than the uk

Are you worried that Biafra would fail? Are you a Biafran?
We are not sure that Biafra would have any visa bans but at least we know for a fact that Nigeria has been banned by U.S and the EU is about to join in the visa ban

Lol
Don't worry about Biafra bro...there is a saying that people who want to win should do the exact opposite of what their enemies advice. Since you are an enemy of Biafra, we would do the opposite of your advice

Tolase1999:
in as much as we are all african, we are all dwell in ethnicity, trust me if ibo secede or any other tribe secede, their will be another case of marginalization not between inter-tribal but intra-tribe. we started hearing ibo enugu are been marginazed by abia ibo, yoruba ogun are dominating odua republic, kano hausa are dominating arewa e.t.c

why don't we hear that currently in the States of the east? Oh suddenly the problem will come out of no where abi?

It is always good practice for anyone commenting against Biafra here to tell us where he is from so we know how to treat his advice

spendoon:

Look Mr Man I have been reading some stupid comments of how economic activities will crash in Nigeria if igbos leave, but what you fail to understand is that business is all about space when you guys leave others will take over in short I remember when northern leaders asked igbos leave some people we're happy saying let them go so they can take over those shops and type of business they do.

Well, You can take over their businesses... But know it that hunger and starvation will finish the core north in no distant time.

Majority of core northerners earn salaries from government agencies Army, Police, Nnpc, immigration, Phcn, Civil service etc. There will be no more funds from oil sales to finance this.

Don't think that groundnut pyramid will do any magic.

By the time all d oil blocs and wells will change hands, u guys will be grateful to even be alive.

spendoon:

Infant analysis, biafra will be a failed country with alot of Visa bans while oduduwa and arewa will be no different from Benin and Niger republic, look just face the truth because as it is now no region can be self sufficient except the Niger Delta in short arewa and oduduwa have better chance because of sea access and agriculture if you know you know. FYI Ireland can never be more developed than the uk

Ur analysis is not balanced. If u go by geopolitical zones, stop deceiving yourself by mentioning Arewa. Will u finally kill off d indigenes of Benue, Taraba, Jos etc and add to your Arewa? They don't want you. Stop forcing yourself on them.

Agriculture, desertification taking its toll on the north. Esp the core north. Even with the government subsides like fertilizer, tractors etc. The yields are insignificant. We import more food than we produce in this country.

Biafra, even if they are forced to go with their 5 SE states as you always pray and wish, only their unexplored oil wells can run the economy.

DabuIIIT:


Abule ARO,go and hustle,e lo wa ise se o...quit eyeing other people's properties lolsssssss.

The only people eyeing other people's money, properties are agberoes, pickpockets,etc.

BAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!!!!

Don't you want out of the zoo again?, anyway people wey dey wail Fulani today, North is coming to take our land tomorrow, actualy Yorubas are our problems, should be happy living in and safeguarding their country. at least they won't be having all those highlighted problems.
Awon oni iranu a je eyin aja, some of your fellow noise makers are being thrown out of their rented one room at my end here, enu orofo lo ma pa orofo.
Wetin una get wey people want take over?.
Ogbeni make una repatriate as much as una fit o, a word is enough for the wise, a whole building will be cheaper than 200k and people will still not buy when the time comes.

selemempe:
why don't we hear that currently in the States of the east? Oh suddenly the problem will come out of no where abi?

It is always good practice for anyone commenting against Biafra here to tell us where he is from so we know how to treat his advice

am not directing myrelf to one tribe am directing myself to africa as a whole.
and what give u the assurance that if nigeria divide there will be good governance, while not seeking for good governance for nigeria. and if i may ask, is spain not practising a good governance that catalonia wanted to leave?

selemempe:

Are you worried that Biafra would fail? Are you a Biafran?
We are not sure that Biafra would have any visa bans but at least we know for a fact that Nigeria has been banned by U.S and the EU is about to join in the visa ban

Lol
Don't worry about Biafra bro...there is a saying that people who want to win should do the exact opposite of what their enemies advice. Since you are an enemy of Biafra, we would do the opposite of your advice

Why will I be worried about biafra infact I want it to fail as it surely will, I just want to clear so doubts because you igbos are to boostful.

Supan:


Well, You can take over their businesses... But know it that hunger and starvation will finish the core north in no distant time.

Majority of core northerners earn salaries from government agencies Army, Police, Nnpc, immigration, Phcn, Civil service etc. There will be no more funds from oil sales to finance this.

Don't think that groundnut pyramid will do any magic.

By the time all d oil blocs and wells will change hands, u guys will be grateful to even be alive.

Those northerns you listed are the few middle class and educated who don't want to engage in agriculture and enterprnual activities, the average northern makes more money than your family combined since a poor famer from a typical village in the north can afford to go to Hajj if he sells his farm produce while the others are engaged in business activities like the ones you find in Kano but their biggest problem is illitracy, due to their illitracy someone will marry three wives and give birth to a lot of children hence the money they makes at the end won't be enough for the whole family and that is where poverty comes in because let's say the local business man makes 200k per month from sales and has 20 children you will see the money won't be enough while their counter parts in the east that makes 70-100k and has three children will live more comfortable than them and will be a middle class family, I HAVE SAID THIS TIME WITHOUT NUMBER THAT WHEN ILLITRACY IS ERADICATED FROM THE NORTH 90 PERCENT OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE NORTH WILL BE SOLVED, but ask yourself if most the northerns will stay illitrats forever especially when they are in a country of their own.
On the other hand only about 20percent of the core north lands can be identified as semi arid and you can grow things like beans on a semi arid land

7lives:


Don't you want out of the zoo again?, anyway people wey dey wail Fulani today, North is coming to take our land tomorrow, actualy Yorubas are our problems, should be happy living in and safeguarding their country. at least they won't be having all those highlighted problems.
Awon oni iranu a je eyin aja, some of your fellow noise makers are being thrown out of their rented one room at my end here, enu orofo lo ma pa orofo.
Wetin una get wey people want take over?.
Ogbeni make una repatriate as much as una fit o, a word is enough for the wise, a whole building will be cheaper than 200k and people will still not buy when the time comes.

lol.. so they want to have biafra and still trade in other tribes place ? are they not the ones who say other nigeria tribe hates them?
Or you want to have biafra and still cross Into the next country to trade?
Lol.. funny people

Supan:


Ur analysis is not balanced. If u go by geopolitical zones, stop deceiving yourself by mentioning Arewa. Will u finally kill off d indigenes of Benue, Taraba, Jos etc and add to your Arewa? They don't want you. Stop forcing yourself on them.

Agriculture, desertification taking its toll on the north. Esp the core north. Even with the government subsides like fertilizer, tractors etc. The yields are insignificant. We import more food than we produce in this country.

Biafra, even if they are forced to go with their 5 SE states as you always pray and wish, only their unexplored oil wells can run the economy.

You think the northwest and northeast are not fertile ahbi go and do your research well at least an highschool geography textbook might help you and FYI onko about 20percent of the core north is semi arid and stuffs like beans grows on semi arid land who even told you we import most of our foods or is it because you see trailers of food stuff going to the east and you think they are from Lagos port, well most of them are from the north that's why food stuff are cheaper in the north.
How are you sure of finding oil, oil that will soon loose value sef, besides I thought your brothers said you guys don't need natural resources but human resources.