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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 3:46pm On May 03
achorladey:

What I need is your maybe.
Well, it is either that or you don't know the God you claim you serve at all for you to think He will bend His own Word to accommodate humans in their disobedience. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 4:01pm On May 03
Kobojunkie:
Well, it is either that or you don't know the God you claim you serve at all for you to think He will bend His own Word to accommodate humans in their disobedience. undecided

It is either that

Your that is still under maybe? Note it very well. You are the saying we serve different God but with a clause of maybe.

or you don't know the God you claim you serve at all for you to think He will bend His own Word to accommodate humans in their disobedience

Circumstances circumstances circumstances not bending his own words to accommodate humans. Get to note this as well.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 4:08pm On May 03
gbengu:
To be candid, logical and reasonable it's normal, just that even the ministerial work has been polluted and most are using it for selfishness at the expense of poor church masses.

Let's be clear on this. Once you attain a position or level that draw crowds from different works or levels of life, then you need personal protection.

All Christians either big, small, known or unknown need spiritual protection from God and He will definitely do that so far they're under His coverage.

Personal protection is part of protocols to preserve, protect yourself because once your are popular, rich, have multitudes/followers, helping out, delivery people from bondage, having big ministry, then you've already becons to both good, bad and ugly to locate you.

People are lover of evils and money. You've definitely attracted both good and bad people.

Some are even envious in the things of God. Many pastors are already jealous. Arm robbers are already looking for ways to take their own, kidnappers are also planning theirs, agent of Devil against the ministry are doing theirs spiritually and physically, even some might join ur ministry just take you for granted. Some might plant their agents and whatever in the congregation in disguise to be your member. Then spiritual protection is needed first to settle things with your maker and physical personal protection in anyways or pattern is needed too.

If as a pastor, you ordinarily don't want all that; then the position you occupy will force you because many strong members and leaders in the ministry already see you as their G.O, leader, daddy etc and will ensure they create human protocols for that office.

In another angle, you'll be priviledge to have VVIP coming for visit, meetings. Thus you've to factor them in your personal protection/protocols.

Jesus did not do all those personal protection or protocols but literally if you check your Bible very well, the Disciples create a somehow protocols for him to prevent every nuk and harry despite that Jesus was free with all people.

Imagine the man they've to put through the roof. Look at when disciples were preventing the children to come and play With Jesus. Look at the woman with the issues of Blood, maybe she has tried her best just to see Jesus personally/one on one.





I think you are right here. I once worked with a big church in gbagada. This pastor used to have very important personalities coming to minister in his church under an invitation. This individuals need personal protection nothing must happen to them until return their respective countries.

Honestly that's why Hausa's are getting upper hands in government.


God bless you sir.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by charlsecy(m): 8:45pm On May 03
Solowande:
What Jesus told Peter when he cut off the ear of one of d bad guys?
Bad contextual comparison.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 9:03pm On May 03
Kobojunkie:
God already told you outright what sin is. He judges your heart because it is right there in your heart that your intention to disobey Him is first birthed.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

So, you have a decision to make as to whether you serve Him or your "treasures".undecided
Is killing a sin?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 9:09pm On May 03
stanliwise:

Is killing a sin?
Well, Jesus Christ said love your neighbor and your enemies too. So since killing someone isn't a way to show love- the Kind that Jesus Christ commands - it is a sin.. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 9:44pm On May 03
Kobojunkie:
Well, Jesus Christ said love your neighbor and your enemies too. So since killing someone isn't a way to show love- the Kind that Jesus Christ commands - it is a sin.. undecided
murder is a sin. But not all killing is a sin, death born of self defense or war to defend your land may not be regarded as sin.
Manslaughter and some other form of killing that happened without intent or contempt is a gray area. It depends on the situation but bearing arm to protect yourself from one who draw same arms against you is not a sin.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 9:59pm On May 03
stanliwise:
murder is a sin. But not all killing is a sin, death born of self defense or war to defend your land may not be regarded as sin.
Manslaughter and some other form of killing that happened without intent or contempt is a gray area. It depends on the situation but bearing arm to protect yourself from one who draw same arms against you is not a sin.
I am afraid you are mistaking Man's laws for God's laws. undecided

According to Jesus Christ, you are commanded to love your neighbor and your enemy as you love your own self. Disobedience is what constitutes sin against God. undecided


Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
The same Jesus Christ went on to give you direct orders against defending yourself when attacked by an enemy, instructing you instead to submit to the attack - turn the other cheek - implying that in that case, you ought to love your enemy even more than you love you own life. Any action that stands contrary to this is what constitutes sin. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 10:07pm On May 03
Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are mistaking Man's laws for God's laws. undecided

According to Jesus Christ, you are commanded to love your neighbor and your enemy as you love your own self. Disobedience is what constitutes sin against God. undecided

The same Jesus Christ went on to give you direct orders against defending yourself when attacked by an enemy, instructing you instead to submit to the attack - turn the other cheek - implying that in that case, you ought to love your enemy even more than you love you own life. Any action that stands contrary to this is what constitutes sin. undecided
At no point in time Jesus command his children against defending thyself. Becareful, Christ was only talking to those who want to fight or defend the ministry. If you’re persecuted for preaching the word and then prosecuted then Ieave the battle to God and he would defend his workers. Please get the context clear
Jesus forbid Peter from defending him simply because Jesus was on a journey of prophecy and more so the persecution was based on the ministry.


In Luke 22:36, Jesus tells His remaining disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that now was the time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense. Just a short time later, Jesus is arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act (verses 49–51).
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 10:12pm On May 03
stanliwise:

At no point in time Jesus command his children against defending thyself. Becareful, Christ was only talking to those who want to fight or defend the ministry. If you’re persecuted for preaching the word and then prosecuted then Ieave the battle to God and he would defend his workers. Please get the context clear
Jesus forbid Peter from defending him simply because Jesus was on a journey of prophecy and more so the persecution was based on the ministry.


In Luke 22:36, Jesus tells His remaining disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that now was the time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense. Just a short time later, Jesus is arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act (verses 49–51).

So, the following is not Jesus Christ's direct command to you not to defend yourself? undecided

Matthew 5 vs 39 (ERV)
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39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
undecided

As for what Jesus said in Luke 22, try reading the same verses in context and the come back and tell me how what the message that Jesus Christ related in that passage- Luke 22 vs 31 - 51 - in anyway mirrors the claim you made above. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 10:28pm On May 03
Kobojunkie:
So, the following is not Jesus Christ's direct command to you not to defend yourself? undecided
undecided

As for what Jesus said in Luke 22, try reading the same verses in context and the come back and tell me how what the message that Jesus Christ related in that passage- Luke 22 vs 31 - 51 - in anyway mirrors the claim you made above. undecided
Christ is not the author of confusion, So if a killer enter your home, he should be allowed unchecked to raped your kids and kill your wife including you?
Definitely not and God being high and mighty cannot operate in such confused state

Exodus 22:2 and 3 we have a clear reference to self-defense: “If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed.”

God in Old Testament is still same God of New Testament and did not change, the intent was clearly mentioned and every man under the sun has the fundamental right to protect and defend his like.

The chapter your reference was taking about people who went on to preach the word and are persecuted. I pray you get the understanding
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 10:50pm On May 03
stanliwise:

Christ is not the author of confusion, So if a killer enter your home, he should be allowed unchecked to raped your kids and kill your wife including you?
Definitely not and God being high and mighty cannot operate in such confused state

Exodus 22:2 and 3 we have a clear reference to self-defense: “If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed.”

God in Old Testament is still same God of New Testament and did not change, the intent was clearly mentioned and every man under the sun has the fundamental right to protect and defend his like.

The chapter your reference was taking about people who went on to preach the word and are persecuted. I pray you get the understanding
I am afraid the confusion here is from you thinking that your idea and opinions should matter where it concerns God's Law to you as far as His Kingdom is concerned. undecided

Jesus Christ did not tell you to search Exodus or any of the Old Covenant for His teachings. He said He came with a yoke and burden that is for His Kingdom and He is the only way,Truth and Life where His Kingdom is concerned. undecided

Take time to learn what it is that Jesus Christ calls you to do verses what you believe should make sense to you instead...

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
God demands submission and obedience from everyone who will be a part of His Kingdom and He will not lower His standards because you feel your life and treasures here on earth are too precious for you to loose on His behalf. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 1:03am On May 04
Kobojunkie:
I am afraid the confusion here is from you thinking that your idea and opinions should matter where it concerns God's Law to you as far as His Kingdom is concerned. undecided

Jesus Christ did not tell you to search Exodus or any of the Old Covenant for His teachings. He said He came with a yoke and burden that is for His Kingdom and He is the only way,Truth and Life where His Kingdom is concerned. undecided

Take time to learn what it is that Jesus Christ calls you to do verses what you believe should make sense to you instead... God demands submission and obedience from everyone who will be a part of His Kingdom and He will not lower His standards because you feel your life and treasures here on earth are too precious for you to loose on His behalf. undecided
This is religious degradation at its core. You are not worshiping Christ. No give me an answer. Would you be ready to defend your family against security threat or let the hoodlums come in to your house and cause mayhem to your wife and children as of the Op case. If your answer is yes then I have no argument with you
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:38am On May 04
stanliwise:
This is religious degradation at its core. You are not worshiping Christ. No give me an answer. Would you be ready to defend your family against security threat or let the hoodlums come in to your house and cause mayhem to your wife and children as of the Op case. If your answer is yes then I have no argument with you
Religious degradation? The Truth of Jesus Christ has been available to the world for almost 2000 years before you showed up in this world and wil be here after you are gone, so there is no issue of degradation, even if of the religious kind, going on here. undecided

The same Jesus Christ declared to you that if you wish to become worthy of Him, you have to deny yourself, hate father, mother, wife, children, etc. ,to take up your own cross and so that. He also told you that if you wish to have a part in Him, you have to let go of your treasures here on earth - sell it all and give it all away - if you want a part in His Heaven because, again,
according to Him, where your treasure is is where your heart is . undecided

So, again, this isn't a case of "religious" degradation but simply a case of you being ignorant of the teachings of Jesus Christ, teachings that I am certain you have for a while carried around with you thinking you had it all wrapped around your finger. undecided

Jesus Christ is God's Law to you and clearly the Law declares it is a sin to defend yourself against your enemy. The Law , Jessus Christ , goes as far as to command that you love your enemies and pray for, not against, them. With that, He more than cinched His point that you are not to fight back at all. undecided

Stephen is an example of one of the early Christians who died without a fight. He was condemned by His enemies , and rather than fight back, Stephen stood and preached to them of Jesus Christ, eventually praying for his enemies before he then died. undecided

It isn't important whether I will defend my family or not, what is more important to you should be whether you will chose to obey God or reject God and protect the treasures of this world even in this. My answer is of no consequence to you and the fate of your soul. undecided

Jesus Christ said those who love Him aren't those who say with their mouth that they do but instead those who obey His teachings and commandments. You decide whether Jesus Christ is good enough for you. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 7:16am On May 04
Kobojunkie:
Religious degradation? The Truth of Jesus Christ has been available to the world for almost 2000 years before you showed up in this world and wil be here after you are gone, so there is no issue of degradation, even if of the religious kind, going on here. undecided

The same Jesus Christ declared to you that if you wish to become worthy of Him, you have to deny yourself, hate father, mother, wife, children, etc. ,to take up your own cross and so that. He also told you that if you wish to have a part in Him, you have to let go of your treasures here on earth - sell it all and give it all away - if you want a part in His Heaven because, again,
according to Him, where your treasure is is where your heart is . undecided

So, again, this isn't a case of "religious" degradation but simply a case of you being ignorant of the teachings of Jesus Christ, teachings that I am certain you have for a while carried around with you thinking you had it all wrapped around your finger. undecided

Jesus Christ is God's Law to you and clearly the Law declares it is a sin to defend yourself against your enemy. The Law , Jessus Christ , goes as far as to command that you love your enemies and pray for, not against, them. With that, He more than cinched His point that you are not to fight back at all. undecided

Stephen is an example of one of the early Christians who died without a fight. He was condemned by His enemies , and rather than fight back, Stephen stood and preached to them of Jesus Christ, eventually praying for his enemies before he then died. undecided

It isn't important whether I will defend my family or not, what is more important to you should be whether you will chose to obey God or reject God and protect the treasures of this world even in this. My answer is of no consequence to you and the fate of your soul. undecided

Jesus Christ said those who love Him aren't those who say with their mouth that they do but instead those who obey His teachings and commandments. You decide whether Jesus Christ is good enough for you. undecided
Don’t play smart, just simply answer my question.
Would you pick a weapon in ready to stop hoodlum assault on your family or you would let them have their way into your family as the Op case during the end sars era as no police were around to protect. Answer and don’t avoid it
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 11:52am On May 04
stanliwise:

Don’t play smart, just simply answer my question.
Would you pick a weapon in ready to stop hoodlum assault on your family or you would let them have their way into your family as the Op case during the end sars era as no police were around to protect. Answer and don’t avoid it
The topic asks "It is a sin...?" So why are you, after falling for show that isn't suddenly interested in what I would do if attacked? undecided
Am I some sort of arbiter where this particular sin is concerned? undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 2:40pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
The topic asks "It is a sin...?" So why are you, after falling for show that isn't suddenly interested in what I would do if attacked? undecided
Am I some sort of arbiter where this particular sin is concerned? undecided
Hmmm haahhaah grin grin.
Abegi, ordinary simple question you can’t answer.

Catch 22 situations. God like I said is not the author of confusion.


Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Christians can’t protect themselves or their family. What we should never do though is seek revenge. We must be slow to anger and handle all situations with wisdom. Here are a few examples. If someone breaks into your house at nighttime you don’t know if that person is armed or what they came to do. If you happen to shoot him you are not guilty. If that person breaks into your house in the daytime and sees you and starts to run, if out of anger you run after him and shoot him you are guilty and in Florida this is against the law.


Wisdom of God be with you
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 2:42pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
The topic asks "It is a sin...?" So why are you, after falling for show that isn't suddenly interested in what I would do if attacked? undecided
Am I some sort of arbiter where this particular sin is concerned? undecided
Hmmm haahhaah grin grin.
Abegi, ordinary simple question you can’t answer.

Catch 22 situations. God like I said is not the author of confusion.


Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Christians can’t protect themselves or their family. What we should never do though is seek revenge. We must be slow to anger and handle all situations with wisdom. Here are a few examples. If someone breaks into your house at nighttime you don’t know if that person is armed or what they came to do. If you happen to shoot him you are not guilty. If that person breaks into your house in the daytime and sees you and starts to run, if out of anger you run after him and shoot him you are guilty and in Florida this is against the law.


Wisdom of God be with you


4. Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:44pm On May 04
stanliwise:

Hmmm haahhaah grin grin.
Abegi, ordinary simple question you can’t answer.

Catch 22 situations. God like I said is not the author of confusion.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Christians can’t protect themselves or their family. What we should never do though is seek revenge. We must be slow to anger and handle all situations with wisdom. Here are a few examples. If someone breaks into your house at nighttime you don’t know if that person is armed or what they came to do. If you happen to shoot him you are not guilty. If that person breaks into your house in the daytime and sees you and starts to run, if out of anger you run after him and shoot him you are guilty and in Florida this is against the law.
Wisdom of God be with you
Jesus Christ is the author/foundation of your CHRISTIAN-ITY, is He not? undecided


Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
As I said, the ball is in your court as to whether you will obey the one who is your "master" or choose instead to guard your earthly treasures by your own might. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 2:46pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the author/foundation of your CHRISTIAN-ITY, is He not? undecided


4. Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

I need your exposition on this verse.
Don’t use your avoidance strategy, the verse is very clear
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:49pm On May 04
stanliwise:

4. Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

I need your exposition on this verse
If you considered that same verse in the context it is given you, Luke 11 vs 14 -23, you will find that Jesus Christ was not in any way telling you to guard your house but simply using an analogy there to explain an idea unrelated to this topic. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 2:52pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
If you considered that same verse in the context it is given you, Luke 11 vs 14 -23, you will find that Jesus Christ was not in any way telling you to guard your house but simply using an analogy there to explain an idea unrelated to this topic. undecided
Please and please don’t blasphemy and misinterpret the Bible?

Your family are not earthly treasures, you family are eternal beings who should live and grow. Well maybe your own family are earthly treasures.

Mine are not. My family and I are Christian here on earth so after here we will remain family eternally.

And don’t change Bible context, the wordings are clear. Very pathetic you’re not living your full potential, Break free from some limitations christ never placed in you.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 3:03pm On May 04
stanliwise:

Please and please don’t blasphemy and misinterpret the Bible?
Your family are not earthly treasures, you family are eternal beings who should live and grow. Well maybe your own family are earthly treasures.
Mine are not.
And don’t change Bible context, the wordings are clear
You see, I don't "interpret" what I read in the Bible. undecided

Nowhere in the Bible are you asked to "interpret" anything of what is written. The words in the book are written by humans in human languages and meant to be read and comprehended using basic human language comprehension skills which any human who speaks at least one human language possesses. undecided

I am afraid your families are earthly treasures that Jesus Christ calls you to be willing to hate if you want to be worthy of Him. Luke 14 vs 25-27. Only those who believe in Jesus Christ have eternal life and even then that eternity can be spent by some in Hell and others in Heaven. undecided

However, Jesus Christ calls you to die to self, take up your cross(not your mother's or father's or wife's or child's cross- just your own) if you want to be worthy of Him. undecided

I didn't change context... I simply tried to show you how it is erroneous to pick a verse out-of-context to make it mean what it really doesn't. Luke 11 vs 14-23 is the context which holds the meaning to that one verse you tried to pull out-of-context earlier. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 3:07pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
You see, I don't "interpret" what I read in the Bible. undecided

Nowhere in the Bible are you asked to "interpret" anything of what is written. The words in the book are written by humans in human languages and meant to be read and comprehended using basic human language comprehension skills which any human who speaks at least one human language possesses. undecided

I am afraid your families are earthly treasures that Jesus Christ calls you to be willing to hate if you want to be worthy of Him. Luke 14 vs 25-27. Only those who believe in Jesus Christ have eternal life and even then that eternity can be spent by some in Hell and others in Heaven. undecided

However, Jesus Christ calls you to die to self, take up your cross(not your mother's or father's or wife's or child's cross- just your own) if you want to be worthy of Him. undecided

I didn't change context... I simply tried to show you how it is erroneous to pick a verse out-of-context to make it mean what it really doesn't. Luke 11 vs 14-23 is the context which holds the meaning to that one verse you tried to pull out-of-context earlier. undecided
Let me make the iron hotter.
In your candid opinion, if you were to give an advice.
Would you tell a Christian country such as Israel to disarm their military section?
Also country like Italy should they disarm their police and military unit?

Honest opinion
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 3:11pm On May 04
stanliwise:

Let me make the iron hotter.
In your candid opinion, if you were to given an advice.
Would you tell a Christian country such as Israel to disarm their military section?
Also country like Italy should they disarm their police and military unit?
Honest opinion
Jesus Christ, the Law of the Kingdom of God, is not an agreement between God and Nations. No, Jesus Christ is an agreement between God and individuals - not groups or militaries even. undecided

The teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ are meant for those who will choose to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments, not those whose hearts and heads remain bound to this world.undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 3:14pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, the Law of the Kingdom of God, is not an agreement between God and Nations. No, Jesus Christ is an agreement between God and individuals - not groups or militaries even. undecided

The teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ are meant for those who will choose to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments, not those whose hearts and heads remain bound to this world.undecided
Ok I have asked two questions and here are your deduced answer

You would never bear arm to protect your family or immediate family if they are attacked.

Nations should not use military and policing against criminals

Ok my next question, would soliders and police go to hell?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 3:18pm On May 04
stanliwise:

Ok I have asked two questions and here are your deduced answer
You would never bear arm to protect your family if the are attacked.
Nations should not use military and policing.
Ok my next question, would soliders and police go to hell?
1) There is no such thing as a "Christian" Nation - such a thing does not exist! Why? Again.... Jesus Christ is an agreement between God and individuals, not Nations or even groups. undecided

2) You are called to accept and obey Jesus Christ regardless of what any other human being does or believes. undecided

3) According to Jesus Christ those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 3:22pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
1) There is no such thing as a "Christian" Nation - such a thing does not exist! Why? Again.... Jesus Christ is an agreement between God and individuals, not Nations or even groups. undecided

2) You are called to accept and obey Jesus Christ regardless of what any other human being does or believes. undecided

3) According to Jesus Christ those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments. undecided

Ok sorry for misunderstanding.

From your perspective.
1. Military is wrong and so as policing.
2. Defending hoodlums and criminals is wrong instead we are to allow them do what they want.
3. We should not bear arm to protect ourselves nor family instead pray/run/watch when family are being attacked before your eye.

Ok so my question is that would soldiers and police make heaven especially when killed in the act of national defense.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 3:28pm On May 04
stanliwise:

Ok sorry for misunderstanding.

From your perspective.
1. Military is wrong and so as policing.
2. Defending hoodlums and criminals is wrong instead we are to allow them do what they want.
3. We should not bear arm to protect ourselves and instead pray/run/watch when family are being attacked before your eye.
Ok so my question is that would soldiers and police make heaven especially when killed in the act of national defense.
1) I don't even understand why you would assume the perspective there since I never conversed with you about my personal views on anything so far. undecided

2) I am not Jesus Christ, nor am I God. God made the law and those of us who are His followers are expected to obey Him, it is that simple. undecided

3) Again, according to Jesus Christ, those who are fit for His Heaven are those who love and obey His commandments. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 3:32pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
1) I don't even understand why you would assume the perspective there since I never conversed with you about my personal views on anything so far. undecided

2) I am not Jesus Christ, nor am I God that you would attempt to claim His Words to my person. God made the law and those of us who are His followers are expected to obey Him, it is that simple. undecided

3) Again, according to Jesus Christ, those who are fit for His Heaven are those who love and obey His commandments. undecided

I showed it to someone and we laughed hard. You’re simply hiding and avoiding the question.

Ok one more question. When society are under attack what should be the place of a Christian asin like what should a Christian person do at those moment?.

I anticipate your avoidance strategy but you can prove me wrong
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by stanliwise(m): 3:48pm On May 04
Kobojunkie:
1) I don't even understand why you would assume the perspective there since I never conversed with you about my personal views on anything so far. undecided

2) I am not Jesus Christ, nor am I God. God made the law and those of us who are His followers are expected to obey Him, it is that simple. undecided

3) Again, according to Jesus Christ, those who are fit for His Heaven are those who love and obey His commandments. undecided
It seems you have run away o.
I thought you were using the Bible to defend your point.

More questions came and you revert to me asking for your personal opinion. Infact who are you that I should ask for your opinion. I am ni stead asking for your opinion as a Christian, so I was expecting you back it up with some biblical references. Don’t fail now when you’re needed. It could help me
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 5:04pm On May 04
stanliwise:

I showed it to someone and we laughed hard. You’re simply hiding and avoiding the question.

Ok one more question. When society are under attack what should be the place of a Christian asin like what should a Christian person do at those moment?.

I anticipate your avoidance strategy but you can prove me wrong
Every follower of Jesus Christ knows to always continue to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ no matter the situation. undecided

Rather than try to pin a target on me, this is an occasion for you to access your claims as one who believes in Jesus Christ. This ball remains in your court where it never leaves. undecided

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