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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by marod(m): 1:16pm On May 02
Please note that this post is aimed at religious tolerance. As regards fight back as self defense, can we interpret the ‘cut and choose’ Qur'an passage (Quran 2:191). “And kill them wherever you find them…(2:191) as fighting back as self defense?

Please see the Qur'an passge from 2:190 – 195. Is this preaching violence, terrorism or transgression?

2:190 Fight in the way of Godthose who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors.

2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.

2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

2:194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear God and know that God is with those who fear Him.

2:195 And spend in the way of God and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, God loves the doers of good.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 1:19pm On May 02
jrusky:
Is not a sin and never a sin. Pls I beg you never follow that verse in the bible that says "if someone slap your right ear turn the left for another slap" such verse is not applicable to Nigeria present situation and mind you there are some slaps that can disfigure your brain for life so pls use your no6 folks.

If you slap me I go slap you hard back. Hit me infact I will hit harder. No joy for any nonsense. How can I see kidnapper or armed robber or Fulani killers ready to attack me and I'm in a position to decimate him first and I fail to do so then I'm a fool because that may be my last chance as a living soul so sorry no dulling at all.

Hmm wonderful. we have really dull ourselves. Maybe that's why the Muslims specially the Hausa Muslim are getting upper hands in this nation. The believe in fighting
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by samuelevans(m): 1:19pm On May 02
Blackman7:


Thou sha not kill na bible story. Protecy yourself at all times, even Jesus disciples carried swords.
then kill in other to go against bible story and you can as well pay back with your life or end up in jail sir. to obey the word of God is still for our own benefits
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Toktee(m): 1:24pm On May 02
achorladey:


Do not turn the bible upside down

Explain this as captured in your post

Thank you.....when the bible says we should be at peace with everyone this is what it meant......
1

Holiness = Peace. Try to live in peace with everyone. ...

2

Watch Your Tongue. Tell them not to speak evil of anyone but to live in peace with others. ...

3

Obey The Holy Spirit. ...

4

Fellowship With Like-Minded People. ...

5

Exercise Godly Wisdom. ...

6

Think Peace. ...

7

Hold Fast To Peace. ...

8

Mind Your Business.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 1:32pm On May 02
Kubernetes:


Exactly. It is no sin to retaliate if an external aggression attacks you. I think this was the context that Pantami, spoke between Afghanistan and America. The Afghans had an Islamic government in place with no problem with her citizens. But the Americans went to attack Afghanistan to dethrone them on the baseless reason that they were harboring Terrorists, when it was the Americans that armed the Afghans against the Russians. Here the Afghans as a sovereign country had no choice but to defend themselves against the American forces. I think, this was the basis Pantami talked if at all he even talked.

Please don't attack me, today is Sunday.

Peace

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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:34pm On May 02
MistadeRegal:
Self defense is not prohibited by the Bible, neither condemned by JESUS CHRIST. What He only doesn't approve of is terrorism.

If you have an artillery for self defense, it's not a sin.
As Christians, we have a GOD-given-right-to-bear-arms.

Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
it is a sin
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:34pm On May 02
Princewell2012:


Yea that's exactly why I want to be cleared adequately. But God supported his children in the old testament to Fight against their enemies.

2. Is it not foolishness on my own part to allow my enemy to kill me when I have the capability at my own disposal to prevent it?
it is a sin
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Sleekfingers: 1:35pm On May 02
Princewell2012:
When someone enters my house with a weapon and wanted to attack me, but I quickly fight back and harm him. Have I committed any sin or offence before God?

Well why I brought this question is this. During the period of the lockdown, when one million boys were disturbing and threatening the whole places. I decided to join the boys in my neighborhood to move around with cutlass to keep our environment safe. Yes I know God is our protector. A lots of people criticized it even my wife. Please is it wrong for me to engage in such a thing.

Please don't mind my grammatical blunders.
Thank you.



no fight back o......they wait for that dead jew man called jesus to come and fight for u......what an idiotic question
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:35pm On May 02
whizbee:
iyalaya anybody, make one useless thief come close, he'll find out why Jesus didn't jump from the mountain when the devil was testing him
Jesus Christ said it is a sin
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:35pm On May 02
Princewell2012:


Thank you. There was a time I wanted to flee my house because of fear. Lots of thoughts were going on in my mind weather to run or stay and face them.
I can't allow little children to rape my wife right before my face. so I have to join those boys outside to fight for my self. But my wife kicked against it, which nearly bring quarrel between us.
it is a sin.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 1:36pm On May 02
faste:
Ask her why do pastors patronage armed escort service?


Hymn
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:37pm On May 02
achorladey:
The THIN line betoween PACIFISM and SELF DEFENSE lies the GREY AREAS. Everybody go carry him own load last last when matter reach that level.

Romans 12:18

New International Version
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

New Living Translation
Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone.

English Standard Version
If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Berean Study Bible
If it is possible on your part, live at peace with everyone.

Berean Literal Bible
if possible of you, living at peace with all men;

New American Standard Bible
If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.

New King James Version
If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.

We pray we don't get to such situations or GREY AREAS but mind got to be prepared ahead of that time. Such situations carries, life, death untold pain that could linger for years.

you should instead look in the Gospels where Jesus Christ Himself told you to love your enemies implying you do so even more than you love yourself
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:38pm On May 02
MistadeRegal:


Don't worry. Just tell your wife to read that Bible verse.
Tead your own bible to know that Jesus Christ calls you to love your enemy even more than you love your own self in this.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 1:39pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
it is a sin.
Please put more light to it.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by tit(f): 1:39pm On May 02
If the mountain will not come to Mohammed,
Then Mohammed will go to the mountain.

ASW.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by seguno2: 1:43pm On May 02
Princewell2012:

God bless you. What actually happened today, God have finally pick my call. Imagine this coming to the front page since 2020 grin

God bless you. What actually happened today, God have finally pick my call. Imagine this coming to the front page since 2020

Did you also get an alert on your phone for the credit in your account for being on front page
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 1:43pm On May 02
Toktee:
Thank you.....when the bible says we should be at peace with everyone this is what it meant......
1

Holiness = Peace. Try to live in peace with everyone. ...

2

Watch Your Tongue. Tell them not to speak evil of anyone but to live in peace with others. ...

3

Obey The Holy Spirit. ...

4

Fellowship With Like-Minded People. ...

5

Exercise Godly Wisdom. ...

6

Think Peace. ...

7

Hold Fast To Peace. ...

8

Mind Your Business.


So, how does all of the above explain your earlier post having the below......

Do not turn the bible upside down
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Hallabee1(m): 1:44pm On May 02
Aje....




so you be pastor abi, make dem won rape your daughter , and you get opportunity to defend it, so you go dey look...


you need slap seriously
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 1:48pm On May 02
gbengu:
The Bible is clear all things, just that not understanding and quoting it wrongly will have negative effects on others.

Even Satan, the father of lies, the forefathers of Lie Mohammed also quoted the Bible to tempt Jesus, criticised some prophets like Job, Moses etc.

Infact satan was quoting Bible against Moses to be accepted by Gods angels.

To your question. The Bible clearly states that it will be unwise and foolishness to allow your enemies kill you when you can defend yourself.

What does the Bible say?

1. Exodus 22:2-3 “If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder. But if it happens in daylight, the one who killed the thief is guilty of murder.”

2. Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own mansion, his property is safe.”

3. Isaiah 49:25 “Who can snatch the plunder of war from the hands of a warrior? Who can demand that a tyrant let his captives go?”



Buying Firearms or other self-defense weapons.

4. Luke 22:35-37 “Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one! For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels. Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true.”

5. Luke 22:38-39 “Look, Lord,” they replied, “we have two swords among us.” “That’s enough,” he said. Then, accompanied by the disciples, Jesus left the upstairs room and went as usual to the Mount of Olives.”



No revenge

6. Matthew 5:38-39 “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

7. Romans 12:17 “Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.”

8. 1 Peter 3:9 “Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.”

9. Proverbs 24:29 “Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.”



Using weapons.

10. Psalm 144:1 “Praise the Lord, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.”

11. Psalm 18:34 “He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.”



You need discernment

12. Job 34:4 “Let us discern for ourselves what is right; let us learn together what is good.”

13. Psalm 119:125 “I am your servant; give me discernment that I may understand your statutes.”

14. Psalm 119:66 “Teach me good judgment and knowledge, for I believe in your commandments.”



Reminder

15. Matthew 12:29 “Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.”



You must protect yourself and your family

16. Psalm 82:4 “Rescue weak and needy people. Help them escape the power of wicked people.”

17. Proverbs 24:11 “Rescue captives condemned to death, and spare those staggering toward their slaughter.”

18. 1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”



Hmm wonderful. God is too much.

So you mean all those pastors going out with armed escort is normal?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Damzy624(m): 1:51pm On May 02
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by mamajaz(f): 1:52pm On May 02
Princewell2012:


Thanks.

You've done well bro. Our lord is a mighty man in battle, He loves those who are courageous too. Do you notice that when Nehemiah and others were building the temple, ( like you're building your own home now physically or not), those guys held armours on one hand and built with the other). You remember the Jael story? David? Even Abraham when he lied ( weapon to keep Sarah) that Sarah was his sister, God didn't hold it against him. Please, you're correct to defend your life and your possession with or without arms sir. Ao nii sori ibu o.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 1:55pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
you should instead look in the Gospels where Jesus Christ Himself told you to love your enemies implying you do so even more than you love yourself

My post carry no WORDS that state hate your ENEMIES
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:58pm On May 02
achorladey:

My post carry no WORDS that state hate your ENEMIES
Your post insinuated that there is some sort of gray area to this but Jesus Christ was absolute in His declaration that even that which we consider self-defense is out of the question. It is scary but it is the Truth. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:59pm On May 02
Princewell2012:

Hmm wonderful. God is too much.

So you mean all those pastors going out with armed escort is normal?
Your pastors are not of God. And self-defense is a sin.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 2:00pm On May 02
mamajaz:


You've done well bro. Our lord is a mighty man in battle, He loves those who are courageous too. Do you notice that when Nehemiah and others were building the temple, ( like you're building your own home now physically or not), those guys held armours on one hand and built with the other). You remember the Jael story? David? Even Abraham when he lied ( weapon to keep Sarah) that Sarah was his sister, God didn't hold it against him. Please, you're correct to defend your life and your possession with or without arms sir. Ao nii sori ibu o.

God bless you.

Happy Sunday.

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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Nobody: 2:00pm On May 02
Princewell2012:
When someone enters my house with a weapon and wanted to attack me, but I quickly fight back and harm him. Have I committed any sin or offence before God?

Well why I brought this question is this. During the period of the lockdown, when one million boys were disturbing and threatening the whole places. I decided to join the boys in my neighborhood to move around with cutlass to keep our environment safe. Yes I know God is our protector. A lots of people criticized it even my wife. Please is it wrong for me to engage in such a thing.

Please don't mind my grammatical blunders.
Thank you.

Stop asking us irrelevant questions.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 2:02pm On May 02
seguno2:


Did you also get an alert on your phone for the credit in your account for being on front page

At least it is the right step in the right direction.

No small small. Or are you jealous? grin
seguno2:


Did you also get an alert on your phone for the credit in your account for being on front page

At least it is the right step in the right direction.

No small small. Or are you jealous?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:02pm On May 02
mamajaz:


You've done well bro. Our lord is a mighty man in battle, He loves those who are courageous too. Do you notice that when Nehemiah and others were building the temple, ( like you're building your own home now physically or not), those guys held armours on one hand and built with the other). You remember the Jael story? David? Even Abraham when he lied ( weapon to keep Sarah) that Sarah was his sister, God didn't hold it against him. Please, you're correct to defend your life and your possession with or without arms sir. Ao nii sori ibu o.
Jesus Christ did not call you to do as Nehemiah or abraham did. He called you to do as He commands you and He too did. undecided

So when Jesus Christ declared that it is a sin for you to fight your enemy in any way or form, He, Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God, expects you to obey.

Self-defense is a sin.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:02pm On May 02
Hallabee1:
Aje....

so you be pastor abi, make dem won rape your daughter , and you get opportunity to defend it, so you go dey look...

you need slap seriously
Self-defense is a sin
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 2:04pm On May 02
PrecisionFx:


Stop asking us irrelevant questions.

What makes it irrelevant? Christians needs to be enlighten on a matter like this. I know you are not a Christian.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by CodeTemplar: 2:04pm On May 02
Solowande:
What Jesus told Peter when he cut off the ear of one of d bad guys?
Was Peter under attack. Jesus I believe, knew it was all par of the prophaxies concerning him and for that sake rebuked peter.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by mechanics(m): 2:05pm On May 02
Its not a sin if you were led by the spirit to fight back.

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