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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:07pm On May 02
Toktee:
Thank you.....when the bible says we should be at peace with everyone this is what it meant......
Holiness = Peace. Try to live in peace with everyone. ...

2Watch Your Tongue. Tell them not to speak evil of anyone but to live in peace with others. ...

3Obey The Holy Spirit. ...

4Fellowship With Like-Minded People. ...

5Exercise Godly Wisdom. ...

6Think Peace. ...

7Hold Fast To Peace. ...

8Mind Your Business.
This list is meaningless and this because Jesus Christ did not give you this list of commandments and He warned you against preferring the doctrines and traditions of men to others. undecided

On the issue at hand, Jesus Christ Himself told you to love your enemies, pray for them. When they attack you, don't fight back, instead submit to their attack. A good example of one who obeyed this was Stephen in the book of Acts. He didn't fight back and he didn't run away and we all know he died in the end, even as he prayed for his enemies. undecided

So, stop making excuses for why you ought not to do as Jesus Christ commands. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by charlesucheh(m): 2:11pm On May 02
In the days days of Joshua, David, Solomon, the kingdoms at that time, indulged in series of wars and battles just to defend their territories from external aggressors, And God was even giving them spiritual backups.

So what are you saying. would you rather die like a coward in the hands of one riffraff? even the constitution regards self defence when proven in court.

Bros!/ its not a sin..
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:12pm On May 02
Princewell2012:
When someone enters my house with a weapon and wanted to attack me, but I quickly fight back and harm him. Have I committed any sin or offence before God?

Well why I brought this question is this. During the period of the lockdown, when one million boys were disturbing and threatening the whole places. I decided to join the boys in my neighborhood to move around with cutlass to keep our environment safe. Yes I know God is our protector. A lots of people criticized it even my wife. Please is it wrong for me to engage in such a thing.

Please don't mind my grammatical blunders.
Thank you.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
So, you have a decision to make as to whether you serve Him or your "treasures".undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:13pm On May 02
infini771:
No, you have right to self defense. But don't rely on your power for protection. Cast your care to God for he cares for you.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
So, you have a decision to make as to whether you serve Him or your "treasures".undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:14pm On May 02
Brunicekid:
Self defence when done properly: I don't think that's a sin.
There is no such thing as self-defense, done appropriately in this. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
So, you have a decision to make as to whether you serve Him or your "treasures".undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 2:15pm On May 02
I stated earlier the THIN LINE BETWEEN SELF DEFENSE AND PACIFISM and the GREY AREAS

Take a look at this example. There are some countries in the world today that preaches PACIFISM and infact act in line as well up to the extent that they don't invest or develop their military.

Now there is an uprising/terrorism in the north east in one of such countries that practice pacifism threatening the life of it's citizen and according to

Romans 13: 4 For he is the minister of God(governmental authority) to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

So, what will this pacifist country do to protect it citizen?

Your guess and answer is as good as mine SELF DEFENSE.

Is it a SIN? NO

Why?

This is because the command given in Romans 13:4 had to be followed by this pacifist country either as an ACT OF SELF DEFENSE or revenger to QUASH the terrorist or evildoer.

There you have your thin line between SELF DEFENSE and PACIFISM.

All of it boils down to Romans 12:18

as far as it depends on you be PEACEABLE with all men.

What count as far as it depends on you will be the ball in your court to play with. You must carry your load by yourself. Kajiko?
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Toktee(m): 2:15pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
This list is meaningless and this because Jesus Christ did not give you this list of commandments and He warned you against preferring the doctrines and traditions of men to others. undecided

On the issue at hand, Jesus Christ Himself told you to love your enemies, pray for them. When they attack you, don't fight back, instead submit to their attack. A good example of one who obeyed this was Stephen in the book of Acts. He didn't fight back and he didn't run away and we all know he died in the end, even as he prayed for his enemies. undecided

So, stop making excuses for why you ought not to do as Jesus Christ commands. undecided
Your opinion....
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:17pm On May 02
Praylove:
If you have the time try to listen to Pastor Chris message on *the Concept Of Sin* your answer lies therein... Would be too voluminous to type it here but try to listen to the message
I am afraid your pastor there decieves you. There is no concept to sin. There are simply axioms/Truths made known to you and you are required by God to obey them, even when they do not make sense to you.

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
So, you have a decision to make as to whether you serve Him or your "treasures".undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by tradepunter: 2:17pm On May 02
Thank heavens for this thread.... Years after leaving service I have had a self conflicting moral issue on the use of force.

Then the problem was compounded by christain brothers and sisters who live in a bubble but made the use of force something not of God.

I see things happening around me and can't react because I need to be morale in my approach.

I see people prey on the weak because they have the leverage for violence.. this got into my head that I started intentionally setting trap for the bad eggs that feel they have violence as leverage..

I had to purposely get up 4:30 am in my estate to patrol disguised as a walk to nip the menace of demented individuals that hijack ladies of their belongings around that time..

Woe unto one I got hold off, early morning 5:40 he was robbing a lady that was out to go about her work.. used the total blackout and darkness sneaked up on him then screamed what's the problem before he could turn and say jack he got palmed from under chin that gave him a bad wipe lash then eyes full of sand...

It was like a mystery and unrealistic movie to him he started begging... Las Las I took him to the Easte guards.

I walk around with at least 7 moves of combat on my mind... Target is to implement 3 successfully if stressful situation arises

My mind is always calculating what if scenario..

Now does that drive the holy spirit away from me??

Because my mind is filled with combat related metrics does that mean God can never see me worthy??

People ask why didn't you join any of the armed forces and my response was I don't believe the moral and ethics code still exist here...

Making majority of serving personnel's pawns

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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Emmanuelellah: 2:17pm On May 02
Pray against violence and live right with everyone
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:18pm On May 02
Hausa:
I don't know.

But you may want to watch the World War II movie - "Hacksaw Ridge," and think of what Desmond Doss said about fighting back.

He was a Christian who said his bible never said that. He went to the war without holding a gun and he survived.
Rather than fighting, he was saving lives. And when he was hit, his focus was on saving himself and others.
He'd eventually live till 2006 - when he died.
Great story! But I am afraid my faith no reach that one.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Toktee(m): 2:18pm On May 02
achorladey:


So, how does all of the above explain your earlier post having the below......

Do not turn the bible upside down
You were trying to asserts that we as Christians ought not to fight back when attacked but be at peace with our attackers.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by BlackDuke(m): 2:19pm On May 02
Op read Psalm 144 vs 1
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 2:19pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Your post insinuated that there is some sort of gray area to this but Jesus Christ was absolute in His declaration that even that which we consider self-defense is out of the question. It is scary but it is the Truth. undecided

The ball is in your court to show the ABSOLUTENESS found in his declaration.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 2:21pm On May 02
Toktee:
You were trying to asserts that we as Christians ought not to fight back when attacked but be at peace with our attackers.

The problem you have with that post is you not trying to understand the thin LINE BETWEEN PACIFISM and SELF DEFENSE and the grey areas. Life no be black and white.

When you get the understanding about that. You will see my point of view.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by BrainSanitizer: 2:23pm On May 02
Princewell2012:
When someone enters my house with a weapon and wanted to attack me, but I quickly fight back and harm him. Have I committed any sin or offence before God?

Well why I brought this question is this. During the period of the lockdown, when one million boys were disturbing and threatening the whole places. I decided to join the boys in my neighborhood to move around with cutlass to keep our environment safe. Yes I know God is our protector. A lots of people criticized it even my wife. Please is it wrong for me to engage in such a thing.

Please don't mind my grammatical blunders.
Thank you.

It isn't right and it isn't wrong.
It depends on your mindset and what works for you.
You can decide to read Matt. 5:38 - 39 and stay and be killed; or Luke 22:36 and get a "sword" by all means. I'm sure you know He didn't command them to buy a sword so they could use it to cut meat?
You can also see Exodus 22:2.
It depends on what works for you.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by AllenSpencer: 2:23pm On May 02
Matthew 18:15
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.

Matthew 12:36-37
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Romans 12:17
Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.

Proverbs 17:14

The beginning of strife is like letting out water, so quit before the quarrel breaks out.

Galatians 5:19-24
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:25pm On May 02
achorladey:

The ball is in your court to show the ABSOLUTENESS found in his declaration.
I don't understand. He declared it an absolute sin since Jesus Christ is the absolute Truth of God. undecided

Anyways, Jesus Christ went to the Cross, without as much as a fight, as the example for us. And Stephen, the deacon in the book of Acts, is another example that indeed self-defense is against the Law, even if at the cost of life itself. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:27pm On May 02
BrainSanitizer:


It isn't right and it isn't wrong.
It depends on your mindset and what works for you.
You can decide to read Matt. 5:38 - 39 and stay and be killed; or Luke 22:36 and get a "sword" by all means. I'm sure you know He didn't command them to buy a sword so they could use it to cut meat?
You can also see Exodus 22:2.
It depends on what works for you.
This has nothing to do with your mindset as Jesus Christ already declared in much word, self-defense as sin, and sin has never been about "works for you" as it is instead a direct disobedience of God's very own commandments. undecided

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by ferdo20(m): 2:28pm On May 02
The morality of your actions is informed by your intentions and will also be judged by such intentions.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Lomprico2: 2:28pm On May 02
Princewell2012:
When someone enters my house with a weapon and wanted to attack me, but I quickly fight back and harm him. Have I committed any sin or offence before God?

Well why I brought this question is this. During the period of the lockdown, when one million boys were disturbing and threatening the whole places. I decided to join the boys in my neighborhood to move around with cutlass to keep our environment safe. Yes I know God is our protector. A lots of people criticized it even my wife. Please is it wrong for me to engage in such a thing.

Please don't mind my grammatical blunders.
Thank you.

the type of stupid questions some people ask makes one believe Christians are some set of foolish people. undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:29pm On May 02
ferdo20:
The morality of your actions is informed by your intentions and will also be judged by such intentions.
No! You will be judged on whether you obeyed or disobeyed God's direct commandment to you.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:30pm On May 02
AllenSpencer:
Matthew 18:15
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.

Matthew 12:36-37
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Romans 12:17
Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.

Proverbs 17:14

The beginning of strife is like letting out water, so quit before the quarrel breaks out.

Galatians 5:19-24
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
Better yet, stick to obeying that which Jesus Christ commands of you.

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:31pm On May 02
achorladey:


The problem you have with that post is you not trying to understand the thin LINE BETWEEN PACIFISM and SELF DEFENSE and the grey areas. Life no be black and white.

When you get the understanding about that. You will see my point of view.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:32pm On May 02
charlesucheh:
In the days days of Joshua, David, Solomon, the kingdoms at that time, indulged in series of wars and battles just to defend their territories from external aggressors, And God was even giving them spiritual backups.

So what are you saying. would you rather die like a coward in the hands of one riffraff? even the constitution regards self defence when proven in court.

Bros!/ its not a sin..
You are not called to the days of Joshua, David or Solomon. So long as you claim to be of Jesus Christ, He is the Law you ought to live by.

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 2:32pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
I don't understand. He declared it an absolute sin since Jesus Christ is the absolute Truth of God. undecided

Anyways, Jesus Christ went to the Cross, without as much as a fight, as the example for us. And Stephen, the deacon in the book of Acts, is another example that indeed self-defense is against the Law, even if at the cost of life itself. undecided


Oga kobojunkiee we are using english grammar here.

What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect

What does this our father in heaven do when his own children are in danger when ENEMIES attack them. E.g Israel vs Egyptian at the battlefield just in front of the Red Sea.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:32pm On May 02
BlackDuke:
Op read Psalm 144 vs 1
Better yet, open to the Gospels instead.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by jantman(m): 2:33pm On May 02
Mr Princewell2012

Next time don't involve yourself on anything that has to do with violence. The only way to protect yourself / self defense is through prayer.

Prayer will protect you and your family spiritual and physically. Remember that (Matthew 5:9) says; blessed are the peace makers, for God will call them His children and God will always protect His children.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:34pm On May 02
stanliwise:

No no no no no no no.
The issue is alittle complicated than it seem actually.
If killing someone to protect yourself. It is called man slaughter and depends on the circumstances can be punishable. Punishable in the sense as over reaction or you have the chance to stop them without killing them.

On part as a Christian, God judge the heart of men as he has made us understand. He is not a God moved by mere actions and emotions. If your heart and intentions where clear, God in is his mercies understands than any human.

But I urge you to do your personal Bible consultation and you will find out that there was no place go prevented Christians from protecting them sef.
God already told you outright what sin is. He judges your heart because it is right there in your heart that your intention to disobey Him is first birthed.
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
So, you have a decision to make as to whether you serve Him or your "treasures".undecided
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 2:34pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided



I said the ball is in your court because you have to quote a scripture that states it is a sin to SELF DEFENSE in ABSOLUTENESS and SENSE of it.
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by AllenSpencer: 2:35pm On May 02
Kobojunkie:
Better yet, stick to obeying that which Jesus Christ commands of you.

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided


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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 2:41pm On May 02
achorladey:

I said the ball is in your court because you have to quote a scripture that states it is a sin to SELF DEFENSE in ABSOLUTENESS and SENSE of it.
Oh that..
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself. undecided

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

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