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Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by PeterUdeme: 11:11pm On May 16, 2020 |
Dedetwo: Bring the original let’s compare. 4 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by T9ksy(m): 11:11pm On May 16, 2020 |
Dedetwo: Dende, of course, it's crap. would you like to present the precise broadcast by Ironsi? 5 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by DMerciful(m): 11:15pm On May 16, 2020 |
The constitution at independence has been abandoned since the 60s or 70s. Even if there was secession clause, we no longer use that independence constitution. When will you understand this rather than repeating a debasing lie? How come Azikiwe was able to oppress Awolowo, Balewa, Amadu Bello etc? Be guided! flokii: 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by Gucciboss: 11:23pm On May 16, 2020 |
Simbrixton: Lol. You need to cool down. Anyway, You are one in a thousand. Most of your people actually think differently. |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by plessis: 11:32pm On May 16, 2020 |
flokii: Are you naturally foolish? The OP asked you to share ideas on pushing your nation forward and the only thing you could do is trade blames. behave! 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by Nobody: 11:36pm On May 16, 2020 |
Balogunodua: Presidency in 2023 first, then we restructure on our own terms 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by Nobody: 11:42pm On May 16, 2020 |
kingawothefirst: This should be the plan. 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 11:54pm On May 16, 2020 |
flokii: Then Nigeria ceases to exist! |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 12:00am On May 17, 2020 |
Odingo1: To you people everything is oil money. Even if Yoruba lose out in 2023 we will do fine for ourselves as we have done since independence. So it is nothing new! 5 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by nisai: 12:01am On May 17, 2020 |
Iceberg3: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 12:16am On May 17, 2020 |
nijabazaar: Because many are not thinking about post Nigeria. If Nigeria breaks up the way you guys want, I promise you we will spend the next 20 years fighting each other for land. We have to sit down and decide who owns and takes what. The mistake of South Sudan should not be repeated by us in this information age. 1 Like |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 12:18am On May 17, 2020 |
diplomat058: Many of them lack respect! Something is deficient in their upbringing. |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 12:26am On May 17, 2020 |
nijabazaar: And the Yoruba people calling for restructuring are what? For years Yoruba have been preaching restructuring but you guys and the north didn't listen because you were scared the South west and south south would better. 3 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by SIRTee15: 12:33am On May 17, 2020 |
kingawothefirst: So what happened if Yoruba don't clinch the 2023 presidency.... What next.... The present Yorubas, especially the political elites are becoming more pro-nigeria and this is very disturbing... They have this delusion nigeria will exist forever..... I think it's high time we Yorubas begin to think of our existence without nigeria.... There's no guarantee this country can survive the sword of Damocles hanging over it.... We are too divided and can only get worse.... The 2 things holding us together remain the oil and western powers.... Oil will soon become irrelevant and western power's interest in nigeria will dwindle..... Besides, the upcoming youths from restive region will have less tolerance n patience for injustice meted to their regions all in the name of one Nigeria..... The earlier we chart our future away from Nigeria, the better for us... Less we get caught unaware...... People keep saying Yoruba elites are keeping quiet until they assume position of power in 2023... Hmmmm....I pray this is true.... because as far as am concerned.... All Tinubu cares about is continuous flow of bullion van into his bourdillon compound viz a viz naija delta oil..... 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 12:46am On May 17, 2020 |
kingawothefirst: DuwaRepublic: No southern Nigeria president can restructure Nigeria! We don't have the power! Unless you want to cause another civil war. Even big men in the south who are enjoying the present rot in the system don't want the country restructured! Our only hope is an economic crisis. The same way Covid19 is making northern governors rethink almajiri system is the same way this way all our leaders would rethink the country's structure. 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 12:48am On May 17, 2020 |
nisai: I don't know who stops them from picking the PDP ticket! |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by NGpatriot: 1:55am On May 17, 2020 |
Fear of Yoruba is the beginning of wisdom. Some people can not go their own way unless Yoruba people lead the way to the promised land, even when they foolishly went to war and lost, they still blamed their foolishness on Yoruba people. Leave Yoruba people alone and follow your rainbow, fight for your freedom if you really are serious about your freedom, stop hiding under Yoruba people. Yoruba people are independent-thinking people, they don't dance to other people's tune. 4 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by SpecialAdviser(m): 2:38am On May 17, 2020 |
SIRTee15: The fact remains that the north knows that any southerner clinging presidency in 2023 will really portend a great danger to the unity of Nigeria. They may not have the option but to relinquish it to whichever region they want. But the question is, should the southerner become president, will he have the courage to restructure the country? Especially with northern continuous dominance in several areas of governance under Buhari administration? The answer is capital NO. You will still need the house of reps and senate to approve whatever the president wants. This is including the judiciary. Guess what, they already have dominance in both arms of the government. This is why I make do to say that the Yorubas waiting for 2023 is not just s.tupid, its lack of direction. I bet you time will come and in fact its already around the corner when Yorubas will be begging to leave this country. The earlier they stop taunting Nnamdi Kanu myopically the better for them. All these pretence that one Nigeria is all that they need will not suffice. Time for them to be courageous and bold enough to express their stand is now. Before APC came into governance, they were chanting sovereign national conference. Even the VP at a time called for state police. They even have always called for restructuring. All of a sudden in this dispensation they lost their voice and believed in Nigeria for better for worse. Yorubas need to wake up to the fact that Nigeria is a failed project. My opinion though., 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by tamdun: 2:46am On May 17, 2020 |
helinues:They will surely survive without oil revenues,awolowo performed well without oil, besides oil will soon be useless. 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by bakynes(m): 2:48am On May 17, 2020 |
llakes4real:Lets not deceive ourselves both Igbos and Yorubas do not like the Power the North is using to dominate us. I am Yoruba and i like the courage the igbos have to leave Nigeria because there is no future for this country, it will only get worse. Though Azikiwe caused all this. Lets put that aside and focus on the main issue, there are two ways the tribes in the South can successful leave Nigeria. 1. The emergence of a Southern President, that will have the balls to stylishly restructure the military to take away the dominance of the North. Remember the North dominate the military without that no Southern tribe will be able to secede. 2. Another Civil War but this time the Igbos or Yorubas must win the war without the other tribe supporting the North like we Yorubas did when we supported the North. My conclusion, the only way the constituent ethnic nations can prosper is for an homogenous country like that of the Western countries. 3 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by bakynes(m): 2:54am On May 17, 2020 |
SpecialAdviser:Lets not deceive ourselves both Igbos and Yorubas do not like the Power the North is using to dominate us. I am Yoruba and i like the courage the igbos have to leave Nigeria because there is no future for this country, it will only get worse. Though Azikiwe caused all this. Lets put that aside and focus on the main issue, there are two ways the tribes in the South can successful leave Nigeria. 1. The emergence of a Southern President, that will have the balls to stylishly restructure the military to take away the dominance of the North. Remember the North dominate the military without that no Southern tribe will be able to secede. 2. Another Civil War but this time the Igbos or Yorubas must win the war without the other tribe supporting the North like we Yorubas did when we supported the North. My conclusion, the only way the constituent ethnic nations can prosper is for an homogenous country like that of the Western countries. 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by llakes4real: 3:34am On May 17, 2020 |
bakynes: And you think the core northerners would not notice? That is what they have been investing in all these years! Do you know all the headquarters of our military agencies are in the north. Even some people in the north central would frustrate the effort of such president. The violence the whole country is experience now would be child's play! A Buhari can do the nonsense he is doing now because he knows the power behind him, but no southern can try it. That was why an Obasanjo just had to follow their dictate, because he understands the repercussion. On a second thought if we had a president who would not care about the unity of this country, he could just frustrate them them to carry out their violence. And then the whole country rise against them. This would lead to war, but the South and some north central would unite together to fight the common enemy. 2. Another Civil War that both this time the Igbos or Yoruba must win the war without any other side supporting the North like we Yorubas did when we supported the North. Another civil war might be dangerous for Yoruba people, because we are sympathetic to both the North and South. Which might need to a split amongst us. There are core Muslims in Yorubaland who would follow the Fulani and Hausa to the grave and their are Yorubas who have intermarried and have strong relationships with Igbo people and SS people. So I don't pray we experience another war, because we don't have a single leader like Awolowo to direct things. I also don't like the way things are. The annoying part I really had high hopes for Buhari. I expected the man to be fair, but the man has so far disappointed me big time. I would repeat the only safe way Nigeria can rethink our structure is if there is an economic crisis that those big men like Danjuma, stop getting oil money and the whole country becomes very broke. We are almost at that point now, but many are still expecting the oil price to rise. A major economic crisis might also lead to the dissolution of the country, but I don't pray for this either because there would be various intertribal wars for lands. So many tribes are intertwined and separating us from each and awarding land to all needs some thinking. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by lx3as(m): 7:31am On May 17, 2020 |
Yorubas are independent thinking people; with little emotions and could forgive, forget and move on easily. We don't have future in present Nigeria as constituted without true federalism, restructuring or con-federalism. Look, my grandfather, my father and myself lived and live in the same situation with dreams and hopes. Nothing is realised or achieved and you want me to support same for my coming generations, who will have little history of who they are? Oil will dry, militancy and Islamic fanatics will increase, looking for more lands for conquering and subjugation. Even if Boko haram is defeated, many more like that will emerge in the North. The earlier we have strong regional boundaries or separate countries the better. Anyone vying for president isn't doing wrong as citizen but that is not the solution. Moreover, these people are contesting for personal aggrandizement not for their people; the time of legends like Awo, Enahoro, etc.is far gone. We're just in one spot with all the problems in this world without any improvement or development, only mediocrity. I will suggest, people that are already fighting for independence or restructuring should fight harder and better because present leadership and people gaining from the present set-up will always device deceptive ways to maintain status quo. They have what it takes (money, religions, ethnicicy) to cajole the masses along their selfish interests. We should drop excuses, blame games, emotions and look more to the society we all want for our children. We must know that there would be oppositions to our resolves and there are lots and lots of wicked, terrible people and selfish interests in our midst.. that should not stop our positive moves in anyway. We must be determine, dedicated and ready to lay the foundation with any COST without holding back for posterity. We're just being played like game..love to deceive ourselves and shy away from reality. Really like what Prof Banji Akintoye and others are doing.. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by Uchek(m): 8:51am On May 17, 2020 |
Stop lying! flokii: 3 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by Uchek(m): 8:54am On May 17, 2020 |
Why is restructuring not visible in Nigeria for now? And who told you restructuring would be a instant and one-year political solution? helinues: 1 Like |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by helinues: 8:57am On May 17, 2020 |
Uchek: No elected president will make restructuring one of his first achievement in first term.. Possibly towards the end of the second term. We are in 2020.. The next presidential election is 2023. |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by WeneWali: 9:01am On May 17, 2020 |
helinues: Lol...start determining now. Because you and I know that that yoruba will not be president in 2023, since you don't believe in rotational zoning that you have previously enjoyed. You have taken your own share in 1999-2003. And finally, if you start your oduduwa cries when you lose in 2023, the SE and SS will be waiting to pay you back based on how you treated Biafra and resource control issues, together with the North. Diplomatic reciprocity is what it is called. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by WeneWali: 9:04am On May 17, 2020 |
flokii: Dreamer! 3 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by WeneWali: 9:05am On May 17, 2020 |
Odingo1: Aboy, you get talkie! 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by helinues: 9:07am On May 17, 2020 |
WeneWali: Firstly, there is no region in Nigeria as SS/SE. So which region are you from and let's start from there 2 Likes |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by Uchek(m): 9:07am On May 17, 2020 |
You must be a Yorubaman. Every other leader and ethnic group( Azikiwe, Ironsi, Ojukwu, Ahmadu Bello, Balewa, Igbos, Hausa/Fulanis) are bad and guilty but your Awolowo and Yoruba ethnic nationality are guiltless and paragon of innocence with regards to this "geographical expression" called Nigeria. You are a hypocrite and historical revisionist. How was non-inclusion of secession clause responsible for the state of Nigeria today? Yes, your Awolowo unsuccessfully advocated for inclusion of secession clause in the post-war independent constitution. Yet, when his beloved principle was actionalized in 1967 when Eastern Region seceded, the same two-faced Awolowo went against the principle he advocated for less than a decade earlier by aligning with the Hausa/Fulani to fight an unjust war that killed over 2 million Biafrans fighting for self-determination which he supported earlier. Typical Yoruba: -Two-faced and double-tongued. -Empty vessel that makes the loudest but empty -noise. -Do as l say not as l do. -Never able to match words with action. Zik only, verbally, opposed secession, yet the average Yoruba castigates him. Your Awolowo went to war and killed millions of innocent children and women to oppose secession which he earlier supported, yet no Yoruba castigates him. Instead they adorn him with false nationalist and patriotic garb. What a stinking hypocrisy! flokii: 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The South West And Nigeria: A Call For Opinions by WeneWali: 9:17am On May 17, 2020 |
helinues: Both are contigous regions that have voted in the same pattern since the independence of Nigeria. Deny it. Ofcourse I know it's bad and bitter news to you as a yoruba. Both will have no compelling reason to vote yoruba. I speak as a son of the soil with my placenta buried in the SS and my maternal home in the SE less than 30 km away from my paternal home. 2 Likes |
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