Corporate2020:


My brother, local Nurses in Ajegunle, Ajangbadi, Ijora-Badia, Okokomaiko, Bariga, e.t.c. also do surgical operations. Same thing professors of Medicine do, but when yawa gas, na then you go know say khaki no be leather.

ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?

CapitalBank:

Who. Told you coding is all about building websites?

GoodBoi1:

That's cool but still you don't need a CS degree to know/do all that, anyone can learn this online, with certifications or experience. When you work on big projects, you are more likely to specialize cos big projects require working in teams.

Shepherdd:


Getting a cs degree for a back end development career might not be an overkill.

Back end development at major companies like FANG requires a solid understanding of Data structures and Algorithm, a good understanding of how the language you are using for the development and the hardware relates, knowing the inner workings of the hardware, and how computers work overall.

For example Google had to create their own programming language because the existing ones had some issues i.e Python is too slow, Java is verbose, C++ compiles like a snail in addition to the fact that you have to do memory management etc.

Imagine one million requests hitting your server at once in need of a database or file write operation? A cs graduate knows about how operating systems works and how to do efficient concurrency and maximizing the usefulness of the hardware, a boot camp graduate might not even be aware of process forking.

Methods like bit shifting to store user permissions are easy hacks for CS graduates while a boot camper might not even be aware of the roles of the binary system in computing.

Finally boasting about knowing more than CS graduates is just a show of ignorance. Yes you can, but my friend before you can reach that stage you would have studied a lot alone, and when you are done you would realize that a CS degree might even be the shortcut.

wwwtortoise:


Greetings Sir !

Please recommend a user-friendly online platform where I can learn Python for free.

I used codecademy but the free version is limited to only the intro and basics.

PS: I am presently doing my NYSC and eagerly want to learn programming.

Regards.

MrBible:
My advice is that a serious company should employ a CS grad and allow them to learn on the job or train them if they do not have enough experience. Most self taught are just noise makers as getteing a programming job is through connection rather than what you know.

Saying a CS grad cannot code is because self taught are not professionals so they don't understand that a professional can look up reference materials as their knowlegde is very wide unlike a self taught that only know the little bit of programming they do all the time.

You will hear self-taught saying a language is out dated when a new language or tool is out, not knowing that every language and tool has what they are best for and that the major existing languages and tools are kept up to date and can even perform better then the new ones.

Many complex projects are being scrapped because self taught do not have the knowledge to implement them and they will not give a CS grad the oppotunity to come in and implement those projects.

ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?

shadeyinka:

The issue is that a vast majority of CS graduates are completely useless when it comes to problem solving and practicals except those who develop themself outside the Nigerian school curriculum.

One expects to see CS graduates making waves in solution provision but alas, self taught (including CS graduates) are the king.

CS curriculum is too abstract and useless for now in Nigeria. It is one thing to understand data structures and OS, it is completely another thing to know how to IMPLEMENT the theories


Cc: Corporate2020

ARCHEMEDESME:

I hope you know mechanical engineering is not all about cars , cars are designed by mostly top notch engineers who specialize in that field . The mechanic depends on the engineer

Corporate2020:


My brother, who am I to argue with you?

ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?

Crvrider:


Is it not possible then for a self taught who is well grounded in programming not to be knowledgeable in computational skills?

Look there are certain careers in life where you can do quite well without being admitted to study in the university and programming is one of them. Even your computational analysis is also another.

On the other hand maybe I misunderstand you. Please kindly explain what you mean by computational and why you think it is a skill for the high and mighty.

PS: have you seen a programmer who built an operating system/programming language from scratch, and I am not here talking about an android or iOS app?

It takes a lot of cerebral concentration!

Coder2Client:
CS major is just like Jack of all trades master of none. As a CS grad, I was just reading to pass my exams. Tell me, how do you expect CS major to be expert in Java, c++, pascal, vb, algorithm, python Fortran, cobol, networking etc and still claim to be productive when he/she has not successfully implemented any of these core languages in a production?

After my school, I had to start all over by myself. This time, it was Java and I can tell you that I am very proud of doing so. I learn so much by myself.


So, self taught programmers are goal oriented and not like the school conventional way of programming.

ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?

ChibeKs:
Stanliwise and co. Don't be annoyed with self taught guys if they can solve a problem, they are good to go.
I'm sure you guys know other things not related to cs that others picked a degree for and will come to you to learn more. So don't be pained life is all about solving problems, it doesn't matter how you do it or where you learnt how to do it.
Happy Sunday!!!

ProfAmaben:
A degree is just a piece of paper. Even you that studied CS, what did you build as your project without using Google or other online resources? Lemme tell you, someone that took a Fullstack development course on Udemy and practice for a year would do better than someone that studied CS with major in Web development. CS has other departments like networking and I challenge you to bring the best CS student in your class to challenge a third class Geography student I know that has courses in Cisco, NIT, 3 Coursera courses, and 2 Udemy courses in networking. He's currently with an Israeli firm in Abuja teaching Networking to CS graduates.

There's no overexaggeration, CS graduates don't own the computer or software world, anyone that has a good logical reasoning and patience plus determination would excel. Keep your paper somewhere and build your skill, keep building and building. I am a living testimony of the fact that you don't need a CS Degree to talk to computers, all you need is the right resource, time, lots of sacrifice on personal and financial levels to excel.

This is Sunday and I've been in the office since on Friday due to free internet and light , coding and coding and coding.

techstack:


I am sure that screenshot is React

I am more of backend C# and Nodejs

Microwhy:

Please erase @bolded notion from your mind..
Some self taught programmer go as far back as learning what happen during compilation, what happen just before serial display... Some people have curious mind, so please don't underestimate the ability of self taught not just in CS related but every aspect of life. Some apply principle of reverse engineering during self taught. They will want to learn everything that has to do with that particular niche they are interested in. It will be foolish to challenge such people about their niche and everything that surround it.
Google and YouTube are more than any university degree, you can learn virtually everything you want.

ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?

BlackyOne:
I think it's because our school curriculum is not practical intensive, to tell you how bad it is, I know a CS graduate of class 2014 and till now she still not versatile with basic computer skill or even MS office not to mention coding...

Yet she's a GRADUATE, and has enjoyed Npower teach for over 2years.

stanliwise:
I taught myself how to code and I was creating website before I got admission to Computing science. How could I be pained? When I also taught myself to code.
All I am here saying is that most people don’t understand what computing science is. Ignorance is the problem. Just like when layman thinks a mathematician would end up as a mathematics teacher. Same way they would also think a computing scientist would end up as a programmer. I shake my head. Happy Sunday to you.

onegig:


Absolute bullshit

You can learn whatever outside the four walls of the classrooms

but a CS degree is far beyond just writing codes that this self taught courses gives you. I can bet a lot of all these so called "Software engineers" don't even know what data structures are which is the basic building block for all programming languages.

Ausrichie:

This is ridiculously untrue. CS goes miles beyond computer development, if a new OS is about to be made who do you think they will call? If a new processor is about to be made and the designers need people to design the ISA who do you think they will call? If a new network transfer protocol like TCP or UDP is about to be made who do you think will be called? What about Virtual Machines, Machine learning algorithms, Programming languages etc. Computer science is more than Software engineering though it does concern coding but it is also has a lot to do with Mathematics.

tensazangetsu20:


Gerrard59 see this one o . I bet my life he studied computer science but doesn't know a single programming language but wants to get a job.

At the bolded. Why do Nigerians have an innate belief that one can't get a job without connections even in high skilled professions like software development.

Sirwallace:


Many people have that mentality and that explains why many of them don't risk and apply for job. Most importantly, most are not even prepare for the so called while collar job. A graduate that cannot even use ordinary MS word talkless of advance excel(met lot of them in NYSC).

After my Nysc, I have interviewed at a fundraising firm on Banana highland and what I learned from that interview changed my narrative on job search and industry needed skills. Had host of others interviews and worked at one of the big 4 without knowing nobody.

And to dive into the Discussion on coding and CS degree. Its like saying someone who self thought how to use AutoCad and Solid work is a better engineer than those who actually study mechanical engineering(AutoCad being a 2 semesters engineering drawing course). But guess what, most engineering graduate cannot even design or fabricate a piece or project. But the self thought guy can help with design.

And that explain why they ridicule you lots with all your theory and process in CS, you have nothing to show or contribute.

The self thought guy pick a few library, became expert in those libraries, add value and render you lot useless.

Remember it is not about what you know, but what you can contribute.