christopher123:


but they said agbor isn't Igbo and the last time I checked , Anioma is a pure 100% Igbo word so how come agbor Is part of this Igbo word yet they said they are not Igbo ...cann you help me out understand

Culturally and traditionally, the anioma people of delta state are not Igbo's. The language might be similar. The core Igbo's refers yo delta igbo are 'Igbo Hausa". Which is derogatory and a classification. To avoid long explanations like in case of Derbi, average aniomas might call him/herself Igbo. We don't say Igbo kwanu in our meetings.

Awoo88:

Culturally and traditionally, the anioma people of delta state are not Igbo's. The language might be similar. The core Igbo's refers yo delta igbo are 'Igbo Hausa". Which is derogatory and a classification. To avoid long explanations like in case of Derbi, average aniomas might call him/herself Igbo. We don't say Igbo kwanu in our meetings.

I appreciate your response

can you please explain how they are not Igbo
culturally
traditionally



do they have different culture and traditions

let's look at the days of their weeks
let's also look at the traditions
let's also look at breaking of kola
let's also look at the names of their kings and elders (culture )
let's also look at the names of their traditional gods


I am interested in this conversation...this would buttress the distinguishing factors as you said

Awoo88:

The different is between ikwerre and revert ibos in PH

I did a research and I found Chibuike Amaechi saying that he is Igbo and Ohaneze secretary general also an ikwerre man

Also I did further research and I found this


The Ikwerre (natively known as Iwhuruọha is one of the Igbo groups in Rivers State. They are considered as a part of the larger Igbo ethnic group. They speak Ikwerre, an Igbo dialect, which is sometimes considered a separate language in the
Igboid family, as a result of the quest for Ikwerre's recognition as a separate ethnic nationality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikwerre_people


so I think I would go with the one that I found!

Awoo88:

Culturally and traditionally, the anioma people of delta state are not Igbo's. The language might be similar. The core Igbo's refers yo delta igbo are 'Igbo Hausa". Which is derogatory and a classification. To avoid long explanations like in case of Derbi, average aniomas might call him/herself Igbo. We don't say Igbo kwanu in our meetings.

I also found this online from a globally accepted site not some funny backyard blog

Anioma are the Igbo communities in Delta State. They are popularly known as Delta Igbos or Western Igbos. Anioma means Good Land in Igbo Language.
Anioma consist of Enuani, Ukwuani, Ndokwa, Ika and Oshimili/Aniocha of Delta State. It has an estimated total population of approximately 1.8 million people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anioma_people


Ika is a subgroup of the Igbo people in Delta state .
Ika people are specifically located in the North-West of Delta State but some of their communities like Igbanke/IgboAkiri, Oligie, Inyelen and Ekpon spilled over into Edo State . Ika communities mostly comprise the following: Agbor, Owa,(Agbor and Owa being the major Ika speaking place) Umunede, Owerre Olubor, Ekuoma, Emuhu, Mbiri, Abavo, Orogodo, Otolokpo, Igbodo, Ute-Okpu, Ute-Ogbeje, Idumuesah, Akumazi, Ekpon (Edo State), Igbanke/Igbo Akiri (Edo State), Oligie (Edo State), Inyelen Edo State), Iru (Edo State). Other Ika communities found in Edo State are Owanikeke, Ute Oheze , Ute Obagie N’Oheze, Owa-Riuzor Idu and Igbogili. The Ika have a unique language, food and mode of dressing similar to their Igbo kits and kin across the River Niger and their Bini neighbours.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ika_people


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christopher123:





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Forget what ever rubbish you read online. CULTURALLY AND TRADITIONALLY, THE ANIOMAS ARE NOT IGBO'S!!! I don't need the Internet to tell me about my own people even if it is globally accepted source of info. Politically sometimes, it is expedient to call them Igbo but average anioma don't see themselves as such

Awoo88:

It sounds like Igbo does not make it Igbo. She is delta Igbo

Which one is delta igbo,abeg igbo na igbo

christopher123:



I appreciate your response

can you please explain how they are not Igbo
culturally
traditionally



do they have different culture and traditions

let's look at the days of their weeks
let's also look at the traditions
let's also look at breaking of kola
let's also look at the names of their kings and elders (culture )
let's also look at the names of their traditional gods


I am interested in this conversation...this would buttress the distinguishing factors as you said

The anioma are more culturally related to the Ido (Edo) people. The language may be similar. But they look different!!! You can tell an Igbo man apart from a deltan. The traditional cloths are different. The anioma don't do use agwu. They have this wooden white cotton cloths similar to that of Edo state. In fate, have you seen the traditional wedding of ika people(agbor) people? It is different from the Igbo. As for breaking of kola, it is closer to what they do in Benin than in Igbo land. Even Onitsha is more culturally related to Edo than they are to Idemili

Finnestgreat:
Which one is delta igbo,abeg igbo na igbo

Igbo na Igbo politically sometimes but the reality is different. The delta IBO are sometime refer to as "ndi ba miri'

Awoo88:

Igbo na Igbo politically sometimes but the reality is different. The delta IBO are sometime refer to as "ndi ba miri'

hmm,its ok

christopher123:


agbors case is unfortunate

Very unfortunate.
One of the most educated towns in Nigeria.
Yet no common sense application.

Luckydubby7:
. Don't mind her.
That me Agbor man will be shouting Igbo Kwenu in a gathering of elders in Agborland? My people will disown me.

i swear...i never hear am before. Na better slap and insult dem go give u

christopher123:


she lost it even in Igbo culture...women don't shout Igbo kwenu ! women have their greetings ...no Igbo woman would come and say Igbo kwenu in Igbo land

i tired

Igboid:

Very unfortunate. One of the most educated towns in Nigeria. Yet no common sense application.

common sense ain't common after all

Awoo88:

The anioma are more culturally related to the Ido (Edo) people. The language may be similar. But they look different!!! You can tell an Igbo man apart from a deltan. The traditional cloths are different. The anioma don't do use agwu. They have this wooden white cotton cloths similar to that of Edo state. In fate, have you seen the traditional wedding of ika people(agbor) people? It is different from the Igbo. As for breaking of kola, it is closer to what they do in Benin than in Igbo land. Even Onitsha is more culturally related to Edo than they are to Idemili

can you tell me how they are culturally related to Edo

start from names , market days and names of their festivals and gods ...at least these are culture and traditions


I am waiting

Awoo88:

The anioma are more culturally related to the Ido (Edo) people. The language may be similar. But they look different!!! You can tell an Igbo man apart from a deltan. The traditional cloths are different. The anioma don't do use agwu. They have this wooden white cotton cloths similar to that of Edo state. In fate, have you seen the traditional wedding of ika people(agbor) people? It is different from the Igbo. As for breaking of kola, it is closer to what they do in Benin than in Igbo land. Even Onitsha is more culturally related to Edo than they are to Idemili

Anambra also wear that white cloths called akwaocha

Ndi Nze na Ozo.Akwa Ocha (White Cloth) - Purity (Nze na Ozo denotes power and leadership among other things. .Okpu Mme (Red cap) - Fire of Agbala, for truth & justice.Rope on red cap - Eke Idemmili (Ball Python), the deity of Idemmili river.Akupe (Hand fan).Alo

https://nigeriandictionary.com/ndinze-na-ozo-akwa-ocha-white-cloth-purity-nze-na-ozo-denotes-power-and-leadership-among-other-things-power-in-nigeria-is-held-by-people-from-cultures-that-wear-agbada-i-guess-since-the-end-of-the-war

https://olivernwokedi./2017/10/27/the-effective-use-of-the-igbo-second-person-singular-pronouns-i-and-gi-to-form-meaningfulgrammatical-constructions-what-you-should-learn-now/


you really need to make research before your talk ! in Anambra state ,the white cloth is a culture especially the kings, the ozo men also...


so I am waiting for you to tell me how the Anioma are culturally related to Edo

start from market days ,then tell me their marriage culture. and finally tell me their names of their gods ...these are cultures and traditions


at least the white cloths have been settled.....
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Awoo88:

Forget what ever rubbish you read online. CULTURALLY AND TRADITIONALLY, THE ANIOMAS ARE NOT IGBO'S!!! I don't need the Internet to tell me about my own people even if it is globally accepted source of info. Politically sometimes, it is expedient to call them Igbo but average anioma don't see themselves as suxh

oga calm down...what if I am from Anioma and I see myself as Igbo , what would you tell the wkuku Igbo people in Anioma...is their village not bearing Igbo names

what would you tell the Igbo bi n'uzor (igbuzor) people that they are not igbo and many villagez like Igbodo etc?
...dude calm down ! stop sounding agitated

what would you tell the obi of Asaba that was the head of igbo tradition rulers

.you are sounding agitated...dude calm down...no be me do you !

Awoo88:

The different is between ikwerre and revert ibos in PH

The name “Anioma” is an acronym derived from Aniocha ( A ) , Ndokwa ( N ) , Ika ( I ) and Oshimili ( O ) . The last suffix “MA” was added to give it a meaning in Igbo language. The names were of the four local government areas in existence at the time. Each of these Aniocha , Oshimili , Ndokwa and Ika subgroups have a long history relationship and have always been used to identify various portions of the present Anioma region for centuries by the natives of the land and historians alike. Aniocha literarily means ” White, Clean or pure people ” or literarily an upright people

https://www.aniomavoice.org/about/

Ctorch:
Dorathy Cultural presentation at bbnaija Indomie section. My people are Accomodating

First she started by Igbo salutations and Introduced herself as Ndidiamaka "Afam bu Ndidiamaka" Which means my name is Ndidiamaka, I am Agbor Delta state to be precise and popularly known as South south region.

Our native soup is Banga soup which laycon prepared. She talked about her people been accommodating and welcoming.

She ended by saying as Igbo , let her show the house their dancing step in Agbor as Igbos are known for dance especially cultural aspect.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmrFMd-AKk8

... Core Agbor indigenes like Jim Ovia (Ovia is an Edoid word for 'God of iron'). Some Ikas who come from towns like Igbodo (in Ika North East close to the border with Aniocha North/Aniocha South LGAs) like to say they are from Agbor when they are NOT. Igbodo speaks an Iboid language that has a closer influence from the nearby Aniocha area. I have great friends from the ANIOMA area. The entire ANIOMA axis/towns originate from several ethnicities such as Igalas in Ebu (Agatha Amata's home town) etc, Bini (in Agbor/Ika areas), Esan (in Idumuje-Unor and Idumuje-Ugboko, etc), Yoruba (in Ugbodu and Eko Efun/Ukwu Nzu, etc), Nri, Nteje. Ibo language/dialects bind them to an extent... but ANIOMA is NOT of HOMOGENOUS ethnic origin. NOTE: Many Oshimili areas such as Illah, Okpanam, Asaba... Even Onitsha also have part Igala ancestry. The aborigines of Onitsha are of Igala ethnic origins... Before the arrival of the Bini/Edo (Onicha Ado N'Idu). Dr. Philip Emeagwali who is an Onitsha man posted on his Website 10 years ago about this HETEROGENOUS ethnic origins of his home town. The Igala ethnicity was the first to introduce the RED CHIEFTAINCY CAPS in the Nsukka area. Igalas also had a great influence in the Oshimili area of Delta State just like in the Western parts of Anambra and Northern Enugu States. Illah is interestingly an Igala word!

christopher123:


oga calm down...what if I am from Anioma and I see myself as Igbo , what would you tell the wkuku Igbo people in Anioma...is their village not bearing Igbo names

what would you tell the Igbo bi n'uzor (igvuzor) people that they are not igbo and many villagez like Igbodo etc?
.dude calm down ! stop sounding agitated

what would you tell the obi of Asaba that was the head of igbo tradition rulers

.you are sounding agitated...dude calm down...no be me do you !

What is this?? What are you on about ??

christopher123:


The name “Anioma” is an acronym derived from Aniocha ( A ) , Ndokwa ( N ) , Ika ( I ) and Oshimili ( O ) . The last suffix “MA” was added to give it a meaning in Igbo language. The names were of the four local government areas in existence at the time. Each of these Aniocha , Oshimili , Ndokwa and Ika subgroups have a long history relationship and have always been used to identify various portions of the present Anioma region for centuries by the natives of the land and historians alike. Aniocha literarily means ” White, Clean or pure people ” or literarily an upright people

https://www.aniomavoice.org/about/

How does this negiate what I said about these set of people being far from ibos culturally?

Awoo88:

How does this negiate what I said about these set of people being far from ibos culturally?

please explain how they are far from being Igbo culturally...it would be great if you give me a pointer

RuggedSniper:
... Core Agbors like Jim Ovia (via is Edoid God of iron). Some Ikas who come from towns like Igbodo (in Ika North East close to the border with Aniocha North/Aniocha South LGAs) like to say they are from Agbor when they are NOT. Igbodo speaks an Iboid language that has a closer influence from the nearby Aniocha area. I have great friends from the ANIOMA area. The entire ANIOMA axis/towns originate from several ethnicities such as Igalas in Ebu (Agatha Amata's home town) etc, Bini (in Agbor/Ika areas), Esan (in Idumuje-Unor and Idumuje-Ugboko, etc), Yoruba (in Ugbodu and Eko Efun/Ukwu Nzu, etc), Nri, Nteje. Ibo language/dialects bind them to an extent... but ANIOMA is NOT of HOMOGENOUS ethnic origin. NOTE: Many Oshimili areas such as Ilah, Okpanam, Asaba... Even Onitsha also have part Igala ancestry. The aborigines of Onitsha are of Igala ethnic origins... Before the arrival of the Bini/Edo (Onicha Ado N'Idu). Dr. Philip Emeagwali who is an Onitsha man posted on his Website 10 years ago about this HETEROGENOUS ethnic origins of his home town.

in world,there is no place on earth people are stagnant! people migrate even the East people migrate even the Yoruba people migrate

so the truth is that the Anioma might migrate from wherever centuries ago it doesn't count just the way the white Australians migrated from British land centuries ago ...today they are Aussies or Australians not British ...it's evolution of language and culture

the way Afrikaans migrated from Dutch in Europe today they are Africans

the way Anioma some (minority clans) migrated from elsewhere and influenced by dominant Igbo culture and language today...today they are Igbo(Id) with Igbo culture,nuances, languang and traditions

I am still finding it hard why this basic simple concepts are difficult for your brain to process....

how can you say they are not igbo culturally and traditional yet you are still finding it hard to identify what distinguishes then from the mainland Igbo ....please let the world know the differences....what if I am from theere ?

tell the world how they re not culturally and traditionally igbo?

RuggedSniper:
... Core Agbors like Jim Ovia (via is Edoid God of iron). Some Ikas who come from towns like Igbodo (in Ika North East close to the border with Aniocha North/Aniocha South LGAs) like to say they are from Agbor when they are NOT. Igbodo speaks an Iboid language that has a closer influence from the nearby Aniocha area. I have great friends from the ANIOMA area. The entire ANIOMA axis/towns originate from several ethnicities such as Igalas in Ebu (Agatha Amata's home town) etc, Bini (in Agbor/Ika areas), Esan (in Idumuje-Unor and Idumuje-Ugboko, etc), Yoruba (in Ugbodu and Eko Efun/Ukwu Nzu, etc), Nri, Nteje. Ibo language/dialects bind them to an extent... but ANIOMA is NOT of HOMOGENOUS ethnic origin. NOTE: Many Oshimili areas such as Ilah, Okpanam, Asaba... Even Onitsha also have part Igala ancestry. The aborigines of Onitsha are of Igala ethnic origins... Before the arrival of the Bini/Edo (Onicha Ado N'Idu). Dr. Philip Emeagwali who is an Onitsha man posted on his Website 10 years ago about this HETEROGENOUS ethnic origins of his home town.

can you show me where Jim Ovia said that he. isn't Igbo....

can you show me where Jim Ovia said that he isn't igbo? I haven't seen...it's those that are nobody claim they aren't Igbo ! show me where pat utomi, ngozi iweala said they are not Igbo ...these are the main voices we listen to not some faceless nobodies in Nairaland


https://ynaija.com/alausa-blog-governor-ambode-jim-ovia-igbo-person-lagos-success-story/



stop dwelling in the past...tell us the names of the kings and let's know if they are Edo titles or Igbo titles...that's culture and traditions

christopher123:


please explain how they are far from being Igbo culturally...it would be great if you give me a pointer

I did already!!!
For emphasis, that is how they dress in Anioma.
I just discovered that a debate have being had on nairaland before now. The last pic is how they dress in Igboland for traditional situation

The traditional titles are also very different. There is Esama,. There is no such title in Igbo land. You can hardly fine any one bearing the title or nickname Agwu in anioma land because it for some kings. Any Igbo man with enough money can call himself agwu.

Awoo88:

I did already!!!
For emphasis, that is how they dress in Anioma.
I just discover that is debate had being on nairaland before now. The last oic is how they dress in Igbo land for tradition

you still don't get it,wearing white isn't an exclusive thing...the Anambra titled men and women wear white


the Yoruba traditionalpriestesses and priest wear white

the hausa people wear white babariga


give me something solid not wearing white


I want to believe that you are educated ...please sound like one

RuggedSniper:
... Core Agbor indigenes like Jim Ovia (Ovia is an Edoid word for 'God of iron'). Some Ikas who come from towns like Igbodo (in Ika North East close to the border with Aniocha North/Aniocha South LGAs) like to say they are from Agbor when they are NOT. Igbodo speaks an Iboid language that has a closer influence from the nearby Aniocha area. I have great friends from the ANIOMA area. The entire ANIOMA axis/towns originate from several ethnicities such as Igalas in Ebu (Agatha Amata's home town) etc, Bini (in Agbor/Ika areas), Esan (in Idumuje-Unor and Idumuje-Ugboko, etc), Yoruba (in Ugbodu and Eko Efun/Ukwu Nzu, etc), Nri, Nteje. Ibo language/dialects bind them to an extent... but ANIOMA is NOT of HOMOGENOUS ethnic origin. NOTE: Many Oshimili areas such as Illah, Okpanam, Asaba... Even Onitsha also have part Igala ancestry. The aborigines of Onitsha are of Igala ethnic origins... Before the arrival of the Bini/Edo (Onicha Ado N'Idu). Dr. Philip Emeagwali who is an Onitsha man posted on his Website 10 years ago about this HETEROGENOUS ethnic origins of his home town. The Igala ethnicity was the first to introduce the RED CHIEFTAINCY CAPS in the Nsukka area. Igalas also had a great influence in the Oshimili area of Delta State just like in the Western parts of Anambra and Northern Enugu States. Illah is interestingly an Igala word!

^^^WORD!

RuggedSniper:
... Core Agbor indigenes like Jim Ovia (Ovia is an Edoid word for 'God of iron'). Some Ikas who come from towns like Igbodo (in Ika North East close to the border with Aniocha North/Aniocha South LGAs) like to say they are from Agbor when they are NOT. Igbodo speaks an Iboid language that has a closer influence from the nearby Aniocha area. I have great friends from the ANIOMA area. The entire ANIOMA axis/towns originate from several ethnicities such as Igalas in Ebu (Agatha Amata's home town) etc, Bini (in Agbor/Ika areas), Esan (in Idumuje-Unor and Idumuje-Ugboko, etc), Yoruba (in Ugbodu and Eko Efun/Ukwu Nzu, etc), Nri, Nteje. Ibo language/dialects bind them to an extent... but ANIOMA is NOT of HOMOGENOUS ethnic origin. NOTE: Many Oshimili areas such as Illah, Okpanam, Asaba... Even Onitsha also have part Igala ancestry. The aborigines of Onitsha are of Igala ethnic origins... Before the arrival of the Bini/Edo (Onicha Ado N'Idu). Dr. Philip Emeagwali who is an Onitsha man posted on his Website 10 years ago about this HETEROGENOUS ethnic origins of his home town. The Igala ethnicity was the first to introduce the RED CHIEFTAINCY CAPS in the Nsukka area. Igalas also had a great influence in the Oshimili area of Delta State just like in the Western parts of Anambra and Northern Enugu States. Illah is interestingly an Igala word!

Edo has people of Edo, Ijaw, Igala, Igbo, Nupe, Yoruba origins living there.
Can we now say that Edo is no longer Edo because they accommodated people of various origins in the past?

Yorubas have people of Edo, Nupe (Tapas), origin living among them. Can we now claim there are no Yoruba again since they are of diverse origins? Ijebu even claim Sudan origin.

Anioma is Igbo if we are being honest.

christopher123:



you still don't get it,wearing white isn't an exclusive thing...the Anambra titled men and women wear white


the Yoruba traditionalpriestesses and priest wear white

the hausa people wear white babariga


give me something solid not wearing white


I want to believe that you are educated ...please sound like one

Every tribe have it cultural Wear. Those wear are not just white clothen. That white clothe you are seeing is the exclusive wear of the anioma people especially the aniocha people. Both eze China and odi ani clans. That is no just any white material. And I am yet to see any Hausa or any other tribe in Nigeria use that particular materia as traditional wear. Not even your Igbo's title holders. Ned with all his millions and proclamation of his muslim faith, wears that clothe for traditional rites. Even the the senator nwaoboshi did the same. Our language may be similar but we are different from the Igbos. We don't greet Igbo kwenu. Show me a picture of any Igbo traditional setting with that kind of wear? The igbos have their traditional wear and is different from the aniomas. Unless this is a polemic exercise for you, stop making the same asinine argument. In which case I will stop replying you.

Igboid:



Edo has people of Edo, Ijaw, Igala, Igbo, Nupe, Yoruba origins living there.
Can we now say that Edo is no longer Edo because they accommodated people of various origins in the past?

Yorubas have people of Edo, Nupe (Tapas), origin living among them. Can we now claim there are no Yoruba again since they are of diverse origins? Ijebu even claim Sudan origin.

Anioma is Igbo if we are being honest.

Anioma is not Igbo don't let google or any other person deceive you. In Agbor, the phrase "ndi Igbo" is commonly uses when talking about the Igbos.

Awoo88:

Every tribe have it cultural Wear. Those wear are not just white clothen. That white clothe you are seeing is the exclusive wear of the anioma people especially the aniocha people. Both eze China and odi ani clans. That is no just any white material. And I am yet to see any Hausa or any other tribe in Nigeria use that particular materia as traditional wear. Not even your Igbo's title holders. Ned with all his millions and proclamation of his muslim faith, wears that clothe for traditional rites. Even the the senator nwaoboshi did the same. Our language may be similar but we are different from the Igbos. We don't greet Igbo kwenu. Show me a picture of any Igbo traditional setting with that kind of wear? The igbos have their traditional wear and is different from the aniomas. Unless this is a polemic exercise for you, stop making the same asinine argument. In which case I will stop replying you.

The Anambra wear it also and you made a mention of eze chima ( purely Igbo name and we still have them in East , a lot of villages in East are umuchima , you cann Google )

you also mentioned odi ani clans which is traditional clans exactly what they are also called in the east

and also there is aniocha in Anambra also ...of you don't know

so tell me on e again why the tradition , culture of Anioma isn't similar to Benin and different from let's say nearer Anambra


dude you have been blabing all these while. ..I want you to be specific

give me
traditional and cultural differences

from names of their gods , names. of their market days, names of their title , names of their clans , names of their festivals , names of their villages (these are the elements of traditions and how they are distinct from Igbo and maybe related to Benin )

you have been running around for days and cannot even point out one...you keep talking white clothes...are you really okay ? white isn't exclusive preserve of any clan even far away Akwete in Abia state still have white cloths weaving


tell me something serious ....give me the list or can you shut it up...? you ain't got nothing , absolutely nothing to say

Awoo88:

Anioma is not Igbo don't let google or any other person decide you. In Agbor, the phrase "ndi Igbo" is commonly uses when talking about the Igbos.

they are latins and yet they call themselves anioma a purely Igbo name ,they call themselves delta Igbo, they still called themselves be del igbo, and they are still in Ohaneze, in short one of the founding fathers of Ohaneze (Osadebey ) is from Anioma


please with all due respect, have you ever come across the word deductive reasoning....


you are sounding slow, unreasonable and dense...you just haven't made sense


if you say they are not Igbo...give reasons why they are not Igbo period ! that is how to make an intelligent discussion....but unfortunately you seem to be daft! I am sorry!

you can't hold an intelligent conversation

you can say some agbor people don't see themselves as pure Igbo or truly Igbo thg doesn't mean that Anioma isn't Igbo...because the last time I checked , my friend okonji is seriously Igbo....you can say the confusion lies in agbor folks which we understand and don't give a damn about ...an aniocha or Enuani mam totally know who he is


I am done