coogar:

united are yet to spend the ronaldo money. bebe + chicharito + smalling is not even 1/4 of ronaldo's money.

4 teams qualify for the champs league in england. by default, arsenal are the 3rd/4th best team in the league. they have not achieved nada qualifying for europe.

so it's all about the money, right?

vermaelen on the pitch, darrent bent has scored a brace in 15 mins! 6 goals in his last 10 games against the gaynners.

debosky:

So Arsenal are also 'yet' to spend the money.

Man Citeh spent £150m his season alone to get to that position, and you glibly dismiss it? Achieving what cost others £150m to achieve at a lower cost is an achievement.

It's not, but that is the single largest determinant missing from Arsenal at the moment.

Both goals were caused by Squillaci playing Bent on and not Vermaelen.

First thng SACK Wenger

There should be a bare minimum for a coach. Not spending shouldnt be an excuse.

LVan Gaal didnt spend last summer but that still is not an excuse for him not to get sacked when the team was bleeping up, This was a coach who almost won the treble less than 12 months earlier.

Wenger is the one who hypes his below average players to stratospheric level.

He plays the game where he buys duds and expect them to turn to Chicharito. Its a safe game for him, If he wins he can brag he he loses, he claims it was because its cheap.

Its like a student who doesnt read for exams, If he fails he would claim that it was because he didnt read, He would say "I was able to get 30% by clubbing all semester, just imagine if I read for even 3 days", On the flip side if he passes, he would say " I passed despite not reading, Am I not a genius?"


You get?

coogar:

kos, squill, galindo, vermaelen

man city spending £150m did not affect man utd. why did it affect arsenal?

hehehehehe. so money is what arsenal lacks? it was because of money they lost the carling cup final? it was also because of money united's kids kicked them out of the fa cup?

i have been told had vermaelen been fit all season, the mistakes at the back would have been reduced to the barest minimum.

half-time at the emirates, 2 goals down, no shots on target(let's blame money).

Its like a student who doesnt read for exams, If he fails he would claim that it was because he didnt read, He would say "I was able to get 30% by clubbing all semester, just imagine if I read for even 3 days", On the flip side if he passes, he would say " I passed despite not reading, Am I not a genius?"

debosky:

They still don't amount to half of the amount

It hasn't - Tottenham has dropped out of the top 4 not Arsenal. The point is (if you missed it) that you cannot describe being in the top 4 as 'achieving nada' if it involves spending 150m to move from 5th to 4th.

The CC cup was a one-off gaffe - errors like that are one in a million. Utd's game? Off the back of an exhausting CL game played with 10 men for long stretches, it's understandable.

Again, don't pick soundbites without applying some critical reasoning - Squillaci is 4th choice. Vermaelen playing with Koscielny and Djourou would involve fewer errors over the season, and would've made Kos and Squills bedding in period shorter with some experience.

Blame dodgy officiating - a clear cut penalty and an idiotic decision denying a clear goalscoring opportunity.

However, let's even talk about money. Darren Bent cost £24m - there is no striker in Arsenal's history that cost that much.

debosky:

What a daft analogy - Wenger is currently third in class - so unless coming third equates to 30% you're chatting bollocks as usual.

A more amenable analogy would be three rival companies in a particular industry - out of the four companies in competition, the team paying its workers the least (and as a consequence lower skilled workers) still manages to finish higher than one of them.

To put it in better perspective, the firm that came 3rd in overall profitability had lower investment than three teams (Citeh, Tottenham, Liverpool) below them.

No one in their right minds would declare that a failure - performance is commensurate with production resources made available. This is a basic economic principle that is lost on most of you.

dayokanu:

Considering that the other 3 companies were recently bought over and are coming from an era where the necesary equipments to work were not available, They had a dilapidated office, rundown equipment etc

VS the 4th company who had all the necesary infrastructure, who were achieving success before the new management took them over.

How easy would it be for Wema Bank to upstage Barclays Bank

coogar:

villa can defend. in dunne n collins, they have an armoured tank at the back. is this city's chance to finish 3rd?

dayokanu:

Arsenal finish 4th and they might possibly meet Bayern in the CL qualification rounds.

Bayern would definitely toss them to Europa league.

Yebariba swagga swagga

dipo2much:

You were right. You indeed Α̲̅я̩̥̊ε̲̣̣̣̥ rubbish

nateevs:

Absolutely we are. Except it says a lot about you when we are currently sitting at 4 pts above you. You could still be second after our draw. Now can't be 2nd. You are sitting at 2pts above City who have not played. In 5 weeks, you can go from being whiskers from the title to becoming 4th.

And you dare call another team rubbish.

debosky:

Meeting Bayern in the qualifying rounds would be a blessing.

debosky:

I was telling hannie and other 'offensive' proponents that DEFENCE is the issue with Arsenal. If we didn't concede two silly goals at the beginning of the game we wouldn't be in the position we are in now.

Offensively we were good - we deserved to have a penalty and had a legitimate chalked off today so I can have little complaints about the offensive side of things.

Meeting Bayern in the qualifying rounds would be a blessing.

dayokanu:

Its agreed in footballing circles that Chelsea had a disaster of a season. Yet they would finish 4 points ahead of Arsenal with even a better goal difference

dayokanu:

Its agreed in footballing circles that Chelsea had a disaster of a season. Yet they would finish 4 points ahead of Arsenal with even a better goal difference

nateevs:

It's amazing they don't get how rubbish they've been.

HNIC:

You are trying to feel good. . .abi?
2nd,3rd 4th,17th. . .what's the difference?
No trophies.
Chelsea and Arsenal DID not win any trophy this season.
End of . . . .

coogar:

rubbish!

the attack should have scored 3 goals. you conceded the first two goals in the first 15 mins, you had 75 mins to win it and you failed. compare this to united's comeback at blackpool and west ham. arsenal's attack is worse than their defence - always trying to walk the ball into the net when shooting at sight is the best option. compare your number of attempts to the goals scored and see how pathetic your attack can be.

offensively, you are the most useless.
arsenal copped 475 shots, 227 shots on target, 69 league goals scored.
man united had 446 shots, 206 shots on target, 74 league goals scored.

the stats tell me your attack is lethargic.

debosky:

I was telling hannie and other 'offensive' proponents that DEFENCE is the issue with Arsenal. If we didn't concede two silly goals at the beginning of the game we wouldn't be in the position we are in now.

Offensively we were good - we deserved to have a penalty and had a legitimate chalked off today so I can have little complaints about the offensive side of things.

Three of our draws at home have been 0-0 results . . . . . .our problems THIS season,  especially in the league, despite the undue focus on defence and GKs is that we haven't scored enough and thus haven't won enough of our home games.

How can your focus be the defence when the strikers have caused FAR MORE points to be dropped?

The strikers have failed to score in at least 4 home games (forget the away ones for a moment) - 3 draws and one loss. If they did their jobs in those games we would be at least 8 points better.

Let's not mention games like Sunderland away, where if we scored the penalty we were given, a last minute goal would've been irrelevant.

Utd has scored 9 more goals than us overall. This is especially tellingly in home games, where they have scored 10 more goals than us. That is incontrovertible evidence right there that our main problem has been in attack and not defence.

As a purportedly 'attacking' team, the defence has more than pulled its weight and is better than the league leaders - the attack is clearly deficient in comparison.

debosky:

You are a consummate dimwit - name ONE game in which Utd went 2-0 down AT HOME and I'll agree with your idiotic assertion on the offensive side of games. What top side goes down 2-0 down at home and blames the attack?

You make moronic comments all too often - our goals from shots on goal is 30%, Utd's is 35% if that that 5 percent is an indication of 'lethargy' then you should go and reclaim your education fees.

What is more telling is our defensive performance - Utd's conceded 6 goals less than Arsenal, which is 17% more goals conceded by Arsenal.

Again, logical reasoning and arithmetic declare that 17% is bigger than 5% - showing defence is the bigger problem.

Conclusion - Sharon is no more than a tout with above average typing skills. Do you still have your dunce cap handy?

proudly9ja:

no be debo talk:

I totally give up on debo, I wish the others luck arguing out points with him