shadeyinka:


I know that you wouldn't listen

Revelation 20:10,
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Argue with this scripture and explain how the unconscious devil, the beast and the false prophet were tormented day and night.

sonmvayina:


Cant I just be a normal human being that believes in my self , love my neigbour as my self and that people can be good if they choose to be..without complicating it with stupid ideologies and fantasies..

Life is about the journey. Only the destination has been given. We have to figure out the journey ourselves..make good choices and be nice to people..

It is much simpler than congregating in a location and reading from books I don't even know the author or sing all day long..

MaxInDHouse:
Orangutan is what you often call those who stick to the teachings and doctrines they subscribe to.
Now you're puzzled as you found someone who can't be defined by the doctrine of any known group i thought you will hail him for standing alone but instead you're now asking to be sure of the group he belongs to.
Well that's why i keep saying "it's necessary for each commentator to stick to the teaching of his group so that we can know what each group believes"
Sorry he's not one of JWs, he believe part of the Bible and he detests Jesus and the gospel with a passion, but one thing is he's not going to tell you the name of the group he's associating with
I'm sure by now you'll commend JWs who can always be defined by their Church's doctrines!

sonmvayina:


Cant I just be a normal human being that believes in my self , love my neigbour as my self and that people can be good if they choose to be..without complicating it with stupid ideologies and fantasies..

Life is about the journey. Only the destination has been given. We have to figure out the journey ourselves..make good choices and be nice to people..

It is much simpler than congregating in a location and reading from books I don't even know the author or sing all day long..

Janosky:

Yahweh made Adam & David from the depth of the earth, the same place they both returned. (Psalms139:13-15. Psalms 6:5.. Genesis 3:19. Psalms 86:13 will not save your Fraud.

Bros, your question have been answered , Hebrew tahtiyah the foundation of your False claim, means "depth",it doesn't change the meaning to compartments of hell.
Which compartment dey for grave ?
Did you not see the Screenshots of usage of Hebrew "Tahtiyah"?

It's very DUBIOUS of you to claim "depth of hell (grave)" means compartment while "depth of the earth" (Psalms 139:13-15. Genesis 3:19) you assign a different interpretation to Psalms 139:13-15.
Psalm 86:13 is the same meaning in Psalms 139:15.
Bros, your claim is FALSE and very DUBIOUS

sonmvayina:


Does things you mention are all personification of natural laws and principles..demons, devils fallen angels..etc..The devil is the ruler of darkness sometimes symbolized as the moon,demons are stuff like anger, fear, insecurity, depression etc..
They are all aspect of our life on earth..

There is no such thing as judgment day. Man has already been judged. From dust you where made and to dust you shall return..

Satan is the God of the air, he is part of God just as me and you are too. There is no part of the story where it says he is evil or a rebel. They do what God has created them to do. Before they do anything outside of what God has created them, they need permission from God..

Those things you quoted from the gospels are all bull shit..It might annoy you, but it is the truth, the gospel are all fabrication by Rome to make humans governable...

Janosky:


"As it was in the days of Noah", so the coming of the Son of Man would be", Matt 24:36-39.
Bros, says Jesus doctrine is not true.
Phil 3:19, 2 Peter 2:5-6, their destiny is destruction.
Bros, says Paul and Peter na lost dog.

The Bros says a lake of fire will torture a spirit creature, the devil.
Wetin fire fit do a spirit? Nothing !!

The Bros says fire will torture death.
Bros, is death an object?
Is death a spirit?
Is death a person?
What will fire do to death?
Absolutely nothing!

Hell /Hades/Grave is thrown into the lake of fire.
Are they objects, a spirit or persons?
Never !
What will fire do to hell, grave or Hades?
Absolutely nothing !!

"False prophets" in Revelation is symbolism too.
What will fire do to a symbolism?
Nothing !!

Rev20:10-15 "lake of fire" is a symbolism meaning "second death", byword for Destruction. (Compare Jude1:7.)..

The Greek (G928/930) word for "Torment/Torture" (basnistes/basanizo, Matthew 18:34. Revelation 11:10. 20:10 ) is synonymous with restraint and confinement, (same as Greek "Abyssos (abyss) "
The devil will be under restraint/confinement before his destruction.[/b]

[b]Hebrews 2:14 , Genesis 3:15 is the Devil's fate- Destruction.

shadeyinka:

I am well familiar with you folks to you: Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Hell, Valley of Hinnom mean exactly one single word, six feet underground!

Torment means one single word unconsciousness: then I still wonder why demons had to protest about not being tormented before their time.

Characteristics of demons at work!

Sorry for you.
Bros, Greek Torture/Torment' (Basnistes/Basanizo) is not what you think in English.
The demons were not happy, Jesus restrained their influence on the man they had possesed.
Did the demons re-possess that man?


Go figure
Besides,Lake of fire is not even literal.
Your claim on Psalms 86:13 is nothing but Scam.
Psalm 139:13-15, Psalms 6:5. Genesis 3:19 exposed you thoroughly .

Janosky:

Your pagan Cross has no connection to Jesus Christ.
Bros no dey DECEIVE yourself.

shadeyinka:

I hear you!

shadeyinka:

As for as you are concerned, symbolism doesn't mean any form of representation.
restraint for how many minutes?

sonmvayina:


Did jesus Christ even existed ?...or Is he just a roman creation. Much like jk Rowling created harry potter...

Educate yourself bro..

Janosky:


Bros, this expo dey your Bible. Pls find out.

When the seed of the woman finally crush the head of the original serpent, what will happen to the serpent?
Bros,Go figure

sonmvayina:



What else do you want to know?

Janosky:

Sorry for you.
Bros, Greek Torture/Torment' (Basnistes/Basanizo) is not what you think in English.
The demons were not happy, Jesus restrained their influence on the man they had possesed.
Did the demons re-possess that man?


Go figure
Besides,Lake of fire is not even literal.
Your claim on Psalms 86:13 is nothing but Scam.
Psalm 139:13-15, Psalms 6:5. Genesis 3:19 exposed you thoroughly .

shadeyinka:

I didn't ask for his church denomination. His warped ideas made me ask what "faith he subscribes to".

BTW and point of correction:
I call Boasters and Self Glorifiers Orangutans (chest beaters and empty barrels who make much noise as they cant seem to think for themselves- some self appointed apostles tell them what to believe and they swallow the mixture of truth and poison with relish)

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala,so the self~appointed Apostles served them poison and they swallowed making them one big family of like-minded adherents {John 17:20-23} attached to one another with a strong bond of love {John 13:34-35} and globally known as the most peace loving group {Isaiah 2:2-4} shey?
I thought you will present a group of people that's united (as Jesus foretold) than this one since you can know that they are eating mixture of truth and poison served to them by those taking the lead amongst them {Matthew 24:45} at least you should know a better performing group so everyone can observe how good they're looking spiritually {Daniel 1:15} but instead you're claiming they're eating poison yet throughout the earth there is no group performing better (looking more radiant) than them! Matthew 5:13-16;7:16-18
Perhaps Jesus didn't know exactly what he was saying about those taking the lead in religious groups when he said "by their fruit (those eating what they're serving) you will know them" or there is nothing to know since Jesus' true followers can't be united as a group whose performance could be examined on a global scale rather (according to you) they are scattered in various religions having contracting teachings and conflicting doctrines!
You just keep rolling in the quagmire each time you struggle to conceal this deceit (lies) in you!

shadeyinka:

On Orangutans DNA is about chest beating over nothing. Show me your own fruit or else keep Quiet. "My Fathers farm is the biggest in the whole world..!"

Janosky:

But every December you go celebrate Christmas.
Hypocrisy.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you only need to humble yourself and listen to the truth, it's not that difficult unless you don't want to buy it!

I myself am one of the fruit! Note how Jesus illustrated this @ John 15:1-10, Jesus is the tree that was planted by JEHOVAH God, his Apostles are the branches so those eating from their table {Matthew 24:45} are the FRUIT in that illustration! Matthew 7:16-18

Note that if a tree (Jesus) is not planted on a fine soil and watered it will not bring out strong branches (Apostles) neither will it bear good fruit (members of the congregation), God planted Jesus, Jesus brought out fine branches (Apostles) and the branches bear fruits (Members of the congregation).

Jesus even said any of the branches that's not bearing good fruit will be cut off {John 15:5-6} so i am presenting to you today the one and only group representing Jesus' branches (Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) they are the real branches producing the fruit and globally everyone can see their fruit! Matthew 5:13-16

There is another different illustration about FRUIT, Paul expatiate this @ Galatians 5:22-23, there he made us understand that the FRUIT of God's holy spirit has nine different tastes (qualities), LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL. There is no imperfect human that can exhibit this nine qualities in it's totality but the GROUP having God's backing and working with Jesus will reflect all those qualities as one big family!

That's why Paul concluded by warning antagonists like you that whenever you see these qualities in any GROUP, know that there is no law against them! Galatians 5:23b

So Shadeyinka, be warned!

shadeyinka:

Audio credentials: It is not known by self advertisement. It is only known by the fruit you exhibit to your neighbours. Jesus defined who our neighbours are....

On your warning!
The combined force of hell had been brought to submission under my feet and you want me to tremble over an empty-of-backup human being. I laugh in Calabari language!

Everything about you is AUDIO!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, you can continue with your friend i only responded to your post because you mentioned the name of my group whereas you often say group doesn't matter.
So back to your friend, try to convince him without mentioning group after all group doesn't matter according to you!

shadeyinka:

He's your friend as you seem to know him well! He even subscribes to some of your doctrines!

hahn:


Don't bother. We are both going to hell

RealDD:

Speak for yourself bro. I am not going to hell in Jesus name

RealDD:
Speak for yourself bro. I am not going to hell in Jesus name

MaxInDHouse:


The atheist knew the real meaning of that word "HELL" that's why he said all humans are going there because it's written in the Bible:

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in hell (grave), whither thou goest.Ecclesiastes 9:10

hahn:

Lol. In 2023?