HellVictorinho:

I just want you to tell me what goes on in specific occultic groups.
List their names and tell me what they do.

No, hell. I will not tell you anything of the sort. You have not done sufficient work to understand, so I'd be wasting my time telling you what you can not possibly currently understand.

When you have worked harder to understand, you will know what questions to ask to increase your understanding. You might start by reading the books in the links I already gave you.

budaatum:

Why would I expose or leak occultic group's secrets to you when you can research them all by yourself?

That said, here's one and here's another educating people way back in 2009. And a more recent one is here.

Well, no book can give a definition that is better than mine.
But I just want you to state some of the tools that differentiate at least one occult from another one.
You don't have to state many.
State how they are used.
Then state how the use of these tools affect someone.

HellVictorinho:

Well, no book can give a definition that is better than mine.

If you say so, Hell.

HellVictorinho:
But I just want you to state some of the tools that differentiate at least one occult from another one.
You don't have to state many.
State how they are used.
Then state how the use of these tools affect someone.

You do not need me to tell you anything. Apply what you said above and consider your understanding is better than anything you can learn or be taught.

budaatum:

If you say so, Hell.


You do not need me to tell you anything. Apply what you said above and consider your understanding is better than anything you can learn or be taught.

Hmmmmm
My definition shouldn't be an issue but you have made it an issue.
Also, I wasn't referring to books the other time.
The tools I was actually referring to are the things that they keep.
In other words, I was referring to the objects that you cannot buy.
Do you get me now

HellVictorinho:

Hmmmmm
My definition shouldn't be an issue but you have made it an issue.
Also, I wasn't referring to books the other time.
The tools I was actually referring to are the things that they keep.
In other words, I was referring to the objects that you cannot buy.
Do you get me now

And I am wondering how you think you know what you're talking about when you obviously do not as ascertained by your faulty definition.

budaatum:

And I am wondering how you think you know what you're talking about when you obviously do not as ascertained by your faulty definition.

Is it your definition that is perfect??
I said I was referring to objects that you cannot buy or any object except any book you read!!!!!
Those are the objects that differentiate!!!!!!!

HellVictorinho:

LOL
Who are you to tell me what a definition is
There are several occultic groups in Nigeria.
If you want to know what they use or/and how they use it,then you have to join them.

so how did you know about these tools? Did you join them?

Occult is an English word with a set meaning. If you want to use the word in a different sense that’s okay but you have to define the new sense in which you use the word.

If you’ve identified many occultist groups around Nigeria then they obviously aren’t that hidden. You even know their tools.

PastorAIO:
so how did you know about these tools? Did you join them?

Occult is an English word with a set meaning. If you want to use the word in a different sense that’s okay but you have to define the new sense in which you use the word.

If you’ve identified many occultist groups around Nigeria then they obviously aren’t that hidden. You even know their tools.

I don't know what they use.
Go and ask them!!!!

budaatum:
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Well,you can't show me what you can't procure.
You can only show me what you can afford.
There are things you can't buy or get as a gift.
And I was referring to such things.

But you know they use something, ba?

HellVictorinho:

I don't know what they use.
Go and ask them!!!!

PastorAIO:
But you know they use something, ba?

Yes.
They use several things.

HellVictorinho:

What about joy

Time is already telling.

HellVictorinho:

Well,you can't show me what you can't procure.
You can only show me what you can afford.
There are things you can't buy or get as a gift.
And I was referring to such things.

You can't see what I procure even if I procured it in your face. And I have no need to show you what I can afford, Hell.

budaatum:


You can't see what I procure even if I procured it in your face. And I have no need to show you what I can afford, Hell.

I CAN SEE WHAT ANYONE PROCURES IN MY FACE.

HellVictorinho:

I CAN SEE WHAT ANYONE PROCURES IN MY FACE.

Live long Hell.

You would one day see that you don't.

budaatum:


Live long Hell.

You would one day see that you don't.

I will see that I don't see.
How does that make sense?
If I say you are saying nonsense,you will say I am insulting you.

HellVictorinho:
I want anyone that believes in the essence of occultism to state it.

The essence of occultism is to make MIRACLES INACCESSIBLE.

orisa37:



The essence of occultism is to make MIRACLES INACCESSIBLE.

What are miracles?
Besides, occultists don't stop non-occultists from attempting to perform a miracle or whatever that means.

HellVictorinho:

I will see that I don't see.
How does that make sense?
If I say you are saying nonsense,you will say I am insulting you.

If you say I am saying nonsense I will just shake my head at your lack of understanding.

Op is an ignoramus. It's not really your fault though. Occult simply means 'hidden'. Knowledge that is not available to the common man.

The5DME:
Op is an ignoramus. It's not really your fault though. Occult simply means 'hidden'. Knowledge that is not available to the common man.

We are trying hard to educate him but he thinks he knows enough to call our educating 'nonsense'.

We shall not relent though.

budaatum:

If you say I am saying nonsense I will just shake my head at your lack of understanding.

What understanding do you possess that makes say so??
Is it based on what you read?
What makes those books more meaningful?
What definition of occultism exposes you to what occultists haven't told you??

HellVictorinho:

What understanding do you possess that makes say so??
Is it based on what you read?
What makes those books more meaningful?
What definition of occultism exposes you to what occultists haven't told you??

You really can not imagine how much I'd love to tell you. Unfortunately, Hell, you are blind and can not see but think you can even though we are informing you of all the things you see not.

Thankfully, we have time, and patience and immense love for you, so will continue to help you to open your eyes so you can look and see. Despite your resistance we shall persevere till we succeed in making you do the work of removing the covering from your face and lifting up your eyelids so you can at least look.

The5DME:
Op is an ignoramus. It's not really your fault though. Occult simply means 'hidden'. Knowledge that is not available to the common man.

You are the ignoranmus.
When did I say that occultic knowledge is available to the common man?

budaatum:

You really can not imagine how much I'd love to tell you. Unfortunately, Hell, you are blind and can not see but think you can even though we are informing you of all the things you see not.

Thankfully, we have time, and patience and immense love for you, so will continue to help you to open your eyes so you can look and see. Despite your resistance we shall persevere till we succeed in making you do the work of removing the covering from your face and lifting up your eyelids so you can at least look.

You are not telling me what you should tell me.
In other words,your posts don't contain the hidden information that the The5DME was talking about.

HellVictorinho:

You are not telling me what you should tell me.
In other words,your posts don't contain the hidden information that the The5DME was talking about.

It does not contain the hidden information you would like to see because you are blind and cannot see it.

Come back in the future sometime and look when your eyes do open then tell me if you can not see the hidden information that you see not now.

HellVictorinho:

You are the ignoranmus.
When did I say that occultic knowledge is available to the common man?

But are you not a common man asking that occultic knowledge be made available to you?

Rise up and be worthy, Hell!

budaatum:

It does not contain the hidden information you would like to see because you are blind and cannot see it.

Come back in the future sometime and look when your eyes do open then tell me if you can not see the hidden information that you see not now.

Brilliant Budatuum!!!!!
So, you know all things that every occultic group in the world uses and how they are used.
You should be writing your own books,too.
In fact,you should be able to form an occultic group.
The essence should be stated in your books.
What a knowledgeable entity,indeed!!!!!!!

budaatum:

It does not contain the hidden information you would like to see because you are blind and cannot see it.

Come back in the future sometime and look when your eyes do open then tell me if you can not see the hidden information that you see not now.

I can see that you have seen a lot,indeed.
You're Budatuum the occultic one,indeed.

HellVictorinho:
I want anyone that believes in the essence of occultism to state it.

I don't think you can get the information you seek on Nairaland unless you join an occultic group and get first-hand experience of things.

Online information on things like this is mostly false.

I think joining a cult could do a person more bad than good overall (my opinion).

Better to be an individualist.

gensteejay:

I don't think you can get the information you seek on Nairaland unless you join an occultic group and get first-hand experience of things.

Online information on things like this is mostly false.

I think joining a cult could do a person more bad than good overall (my opinion).

Better to be an individualist.

Exactly.
I was waiting for the members of several occultic groups to state why they joined.
But I wasn't really expecting them to state the names of their groups.
It's just like someone saying why he or she is a Christian without telling me the church he or she attends or the church (es ) he or she has attended before.