melodyogonna:

You probably don't know but conquering a people don't mean you enslaved them. What happens is that you impose a ruler and make them part of your empire, when they have enough firepower they fight back and overthrow the ruler you imposed. Slaves are taken during raids or immediately after the conquest by soldiers, they're usually the ones that fought in the battle against the invaders or the first people the invading army laid hands on. My point? Because a section of say ... Ika was ruled by Bini does not mean they were slaves.

EraseTheDot:

Back then ibos were people from the interior. So they were easily a target of slave raid.
They should be thankful to the British, otherwise, many of them would have been on my farm climbing palm trees as labourers.

- erase the dot

seunmsg:


It was a marriage of convenience that was never going to last. The same thing happened between them and FFK. FFK and Reno understands them perfectly. If I start praising their hairy chest tonight, I will be the best thing since to have happened to them since Ofe Nsala was discovered by tomorrow morning.

Ariani:
I think instead of drag this Reno.
Ndiigbo should force him to come clean with the people he labelled "Igbo" in that his statement.
I'm very sure he is speaking of Ika and Ndokwa/Ukwuani groups still suffering from Bini Stockholm syndrome.
Once we establish that he is talking about Ndokwa Ukwuani/Ika, we can rightly strip these groups of the false Igbo tag Reno labelled them and hand them over to their Bini overlords to go and argue these things out Biko.

This shouldn't be our battle.

Reno was being mischievous using "Igbo" while avoiding the use of right tags of Ika or Ukwuani/Ndokwa.

I don't see any business between Igbo man and Itsekiris. We are not neighbors and had little or no known interactions.

EraseTheDot:
Nigeria tribes who sold ibos off as slaves

1. Igala
2.Calabar
3.Ijaws
4.Benin
5.Itshekiri

-erase the dot

Ojiofor:


They might have enslaved some Igbanke and Agbor people who are their neighbours since there was nothing like Igbo nation then.
Or did Oba of Bini cross River Niger to kidnap slaves? They should specify were their slaves came from since by your own words there was nothing like Igbo nation then.

oyatz:


It's tempting but misleading to judge certain historical events by the contemporary standards.

1) The wars and it's attending slave raiding were conducted between political units e.g Bini Kingdom Vs Ogwashikwu, Agbor Vs Bomadi etc

2) The battles were NOT fought between ethnic groups.

3) The ethnic groups as we now know them were classified by the British Colonial Masters around 1900.

Ariani:


Of course it's Agbor and Igbanke and related groups who we collectively call Ikas today.

The typical Ika man still have a slavish attitude towards Bini.
You see their Kings going to Oba Bini palace to prostrate once crowned.
It's a generational Stockholm syndrome thing.

Read this book to get more insight.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://people.bu.edu/manfredi/Iduuwe.History.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiB4tz1-_bxAhVOTsAKHS1jCGUQFnoECAoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Dg3REcjIMmYaj8dwR77qm

Reno is an attention seeker, he knew if he used Ika and Ndokwa/Ukwuani Instead of Igbo, he wouldn't generate traffic and attention he is currently getting.

Ojiofor:


So why did you agree with Reno that Ishekiri or whatever enslaved Igbos?

melodyogonna:

You probably don't know but conquering a people don't mean you enslaved them. What happens is that you impose a ruler and make them part of your empire, when they have enough firepower they fight back and overthrow the ruler you imposed. Slaves are taken during raids or immediately after the conquest by soldiers, they're usually the ones that fought in the battle against the invaders or the first people the invading army laid hands on. My point? Because a section of say ... Ika was ruled by Bini does not mean they were slaves.

oyatz:


Did you read and understand both posts well?

1) Were the people we now known as Igbos sold as slaves during the slave trade?

2) How did these slaves got to slave ports at Escravos and Forcardos?

Most of the slaves during the slave trade era were captives of inter communal warfares.

iSlayer:



Grandstanding is okay. But it shouldn't be at the detriment of truth. The outlying Igbo areas to the west were subjugated by Bini over hundreds of years. This was possible because Bini wasn't attacking Igbo as a race, they were raiding individual remote communities. Now in that writeup by Reno if you get the background of events he's talking about, you will realize this sale of Igbo slaves (Ika people) predated the British. The Binis who had a strong monarchy were richly supplied with guns to carry out this raids and subdue this Igbos. This happened much much much earlier than any British misadventure in that area. The names of the ports of collection of Ika and Ndokwa slaves were called Escravos and Forcados, which are Portuguese, and not Harcourt or Douglas (which are British. So Reno is actually right.

The account of Olaudah Equiano strongly supports Reno's position too. Mind you the Igbos in question here are majority Ika, then Ndokwa, then a bit of Enuani.

Juxtaposing Reno's account with the reality today you can see there is an agreement of facts. The Ika are very very slavish to Bini and bear Bini sounding names (as a receipt of slavery). Things dont really change if you follow events closely from the far back periods.

LegendHero:


Benin and Itsekiri took Igbo as slaves for centuries. Not mentioning the Igalas and Ijaws own. Chai!

Chai chai Reno get bad mouth.

By the way, what could have gone wrong between Reno and the Ibos? I thought he used to be the best thing after fried rice?

Ariani:


The Ika historian, Pa E.A Iduwe acknowledged this in his book.
He made mention of Bini people acquiring guns from the Portuguese with which they terrorised Ika communities earlier on.
Until much later when weapons proliferated and Ikas were able to fight and push the Binis back.
The Portuguese used the Binis as slave agents by supplying them with guns to raid Ika and make slaves of them.

iSlayer:




Very very simple. I read of the Portuguese business interest with Bini a long time ago. That guns supply was how Bini were successfully turning Ika to slaves.

EraseTheDot:

Back then ibos were people from the interior. So they were easily a target of slave raid.
They should be thankful to the British, otherwise, many of them would have been on my farm climbing palm trees as labourers.

- erase the dot

Ariani:


When you observe the Ika obsession with Bini.
It makes perfect sense that there was a certain degree of slave-master relationship attached to it.
It's a case of generational Stockholm syndrome.

See excerpts from Pa E.A Iduwe manuscript on how Bini raided Ika and neighboring groups with the help of Portuguese supplied firearms.

gregyboy:


Bini had longed conquered western igbos before they encountered any European i doubt if benin raided western igbos for slave trade am only aware they raided eastern igbos for slave and not western igbos they were familiar with

iSlayer:



Which eastern Igbo is that lolllll.

Ariani:


This was from Pa. E.A Iduwe manuscript on Ika history.
There is no denying the fact that the Bini once enslaved the Ikas and that up till today, we can still see that Ikas are yet to recover from that Bini slavery psychologically. That's the origin of "We are from Bini" fables from Ika.

Ariani:


I think they stood their ground and fought Bini to stalemate.
But by then, the damage had already been done as the people already suffers from Stockholm syndrome from all those decades of Bini invading and making slaves out of them.
This is why you still have grown ass kings from those lands visiting Oba Bini palace to renew their master-slave bond once coronated.

EraseTheDot:
Nigeria tribes who sold ibos off as slaves

1. Igala
2.Calabar
3.Ijaws
4.Benin
5.Itshekiri

-erase the dot

mancoconut:

If you and that daft revisionist who calls himself Reno can't substantiate all these ogogoro-induced tales by moonlight gibberish with academic and historical facts, then maybe you should stop making a further fool of yourselves. Meanwhile which Igbos exactly were slaves to the Benins and tiny Itshekiri's? The Igbo tribes East or West of the Niger? cause it's outrightly preposterous that the same Western Igbos - assuming they are the ones Reno claimed were slaves) who remain among the elite few in Africa that successfully resisted the might of the British colonial empire in for more than two decades, were at any point in time slaves to a tiny Itshekiri tribe what wasn't even near the might and pedigree of any of the Igbo subgroups... or even the overrated Benin empire that got their arses handed to them by the British in just 3 days of fighting.

History is saddled with its equanimity, and it should be the exclusive preserve of sound and logical minds to preserve it.

gregyboy:


Your enugu, onitsha, aba and other areas you call the core east, binis who only raided the core east for slave sbd wasnt from land gain or
Territorial expansion that's why bini wasn't really notice much apart for only onitsha

Olivia acquino made it literally know benin invasion of his communities in the core east

BKayy:

They no born Bini well to step foot into Onitsha or anything past Ika territory. They know where there stupidity can be tolerated.
You people always scream about the caste system in Igboland but today you all forgot it and are now trying to portray as if Ndigbo were weak before.
You know the slave caste in Igboland and most of them were Bini, Oru people and Igala.

gregyboy:


Your enugu, onitsha, aba and other areas you call the core east, binis who only raided the core east for slave sbd wasnt from land gain or
Territorial expansion that's why bini wasn't really notice much apart for only onitsha

Olivia acquino made it literally know benin invasion of his communities in the core east

Nwanyiogwashi:
Is only in Nigeria that Itsekiris with 30,000 population as at 19 century sold 200,000 Igbo slaves Nothing we no hear in Nigeria
I blame ipob for giving this minorities groups power to insult igbos

gregyboy:



Bro Portuguese didnt give benin guns to raid any igbo towns, the guns were acquired by binis with her wealth so stop making it look like Portuguese gave guns to bini for that single reasons nah, infact Portuguese even refused to sell guns to benin untill benin was a Christian country it was after several European arrived the Nigerian coast that binis started acquiring guns from those Europeans
Portuguese refused to sell guns to binis unless they convert which binis were unwilling to do so if any slave raid took place during benin and Portuguese relationship then it was done by bini arms, but after the granted other europeans right to trade in the african coast that those europeans began selling guns to anyone who could acquire it benins acquired more than other tribe because they were more wealthy and again

The benins never raided western igbos for slaves they raided the eastern igbos for slaves rather, the binis had already conquered the western igbos before the Portuguese arrived benin, and a large population of benin migrated to Western igbo areas especially the ika areas that took in much benin population, those unfounded historians that wont research will be talking nonsense....

Benin invaded eastern igbos for slaves and not
Western igbos

Benin invaded Western Yorubas for slave not eastern Yorubas

The western igbos and Eastern Yorubas were under bini control and protection so why would they invade a place they are familiar with and are protecting....

Ariani:


How can Bini get to Eastern Igboland without passing through Ikaland?

iSlayer:


Confusion