sagenaija:

I hope that you haven't been dreaming about me in your sleep!

sagenaija:

JWS Apologists like MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD approach discussions

MaxInDHouse:
Mr/Mrs TenQ,
I know you are not equipped enough for this i'm only responding for the benefit of other followers of the thread who may love to know the truth.
Sajenaija your friend knows what we are capable of doing with our book (Bible) that's why he's feeling insecure with all the knowledge he has accumulated that's neither useful to him nor his neighbours. That's why he purposely called us out to try his ability.

So just as you've said earlier, go and continue arguing with your fellow trinitarians on who knows your TRINITY better among yourselves. As for JWs our Master Lord and King is Christ Jesus who is the Archangel Michael!

TenQ:

A person created in the image of God is not equipped for what!? Is it about low IQ or what!?? SMH!!
I very well know what you are capable of : how you can twist the plain readings of the scripture to say what the old men in your headquarters want!

MaxInDHouse:


Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis of the first century were humans like you and i so they are also created in the image of God, yet they know what the scriptures say from Genesis to Malachi but they were never equipped for fine WORKS as men trained through God's Holy Spirit! 2Timothy 3:17

The only evidence Jesus had over them is the fine WORKS of preaching zealously and industriously teaching to make disciples who are lovingly, joyfully and peacefully working with him in the first century Jewish society back then not his arguments!

So if you're not able to present a family of peace loving worshipers just as Jesus did {Matthew 12:46-50} then all your arguments on LETTERS is useless because the SPIRIT that's moving faithful people into action is missing in your gatherings! 2Corinthians 3:6

TenQ:

Unfortunately, empty barrels make the greatest NOISE!
Only Jesus can judge the QUALITY of work of His servants. 1Cor3:15 says some true Christians work will burn. Matt6:6

MaxInDHouse:


You lied to your own soul!

"By their FRUITS you will KNOW" ~ Jesus of Nazareth {Matthew 7:16-18}

"Faith without WORKS is DEAD" ~ James James 2:18-26

If there's nothing to ascertain the authenticity of the gathering of true believers then why have you and your cohorts blabbing about JWs?

TenQ:

Mat 5:16:
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
The they is not YOU, it is the people whose life you have affected positively for Christ!
Anyways, I take it with your bragging that you already have your reward!

TenQ:

JWs dont care one bit about scriptural truths except it is coloured by their warped interpretation.
THey will just waste your time by endless diversionary arguments

Why do you love to DECEIVE yourself?
Did JWs write Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 in your Trinitarian Amplified Bible & Daniel 10:13 in your Geneva Bible published by your 3 deities worshippers?
Stop childish tantrums
Go & confirm

sagenaija:
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Jesus said "I will build my church".
When in Acts 20:28 it talks about the church which he bought with his own blood, it is obvious that it is referring to the blood of Jesus.

Janosky:

Why do you love to DECEIVE yourself?
Did JWs write Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 in your Trinitarian Amplified Bible & Daniel 10:13 in your Geneva Bible published by your 3 deities worshippers?
Stop childish tantrums
Go & confirm

Janosky:

Why do you love to DECEIVE yourself?
Did JWs write Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 in your Trinitarian Amplified Bible & Daniel 10:13 in your Geneva Bible published by your 3 deities worshippers?
Stop childish tantrums
Go & confirm

TenQ:

Sorry that the truth is haunting you!

TenQ , your fellow Trinity mentors says sorry for yourself as far as Genesis 16:7 is concerned.

Genesis 16:7
Amplified Bible
7 But [a]the Angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, on the road to [Egypt by way of] Shur.

Footnotes
Genesis 16:7 This is the first occurrence of “Angel of the Lord (YHWH)” in Scripture. The Hebrew word for “angel” means “messenger” (an angel of God is a special messenger from God who speaks for and is closely identified with Him (John 7:16 ) and context determines whether the messenger is an angel or a human. The same is true for Greek, and the word “angel” is an English form (transliteration) of the Gr aggelos. The Angel of the Lord can be a special case, however. Many Bible scholars believe that this Angel may be a theophany, that is, a physical manifestation of God, in which case the word Angel is capitalized. The Angel of the Lord may, based on context, be the pre-incarnate Christ, the Son of God.

sagenaija:
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Jesus said: "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."
Matthew 16:18 NIV
Are you contesting that?

sagenaija:

Yes, I quoted:
"For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
1 Peter 1:18‭-‬19 NIV
And:
"Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
Acts 20:28 NIV
To show the blood of whom purchased the church.

Ogbeni,2 questions needs your response:
Is your God a Lamb?

According to Paul @Acts 20:28, Romans 8:3,32 "His own" is what?
Romans 8:3,32 & Acts 20:28 scriptures interpreted scriptures.
"His own" is the son who spoke @ John 3:16.
No be rocket science

sagenaija:

I cannot be responsible for what position others hold on any particular subject or issue.

sagenaija:

John 17:7,18 is a further proof of the UNITY between the Father and the Son.

Janosky:

John 17:7 is Jesus himself clarifying his position on Matthew 16:18.
His "my Church" is the personal property of his Father, John 17:7,18 from the mouth of Jesus.

Ogbeni,2 questions needs your response:
Is your God a Lamb?

According to Paul @Acts 20:28, Romans 8:3,32 "His own" is what?
Romans 8:3,32 & Acts 20:28 scriptures interpreted scriptures.
"His own" is the son who spoke @ John 3:16.
No be rocket science

You can not "be responsible" for the position of your holy ghost giving you & fellow Trinitarians 2 conflicting revelations on Acts 20:28 simultaneously.
Is holy ghost confused or confused Trinitarians?
Issorait


Why do now make a distinction between (Father & Son) them @John17:7,18 & contradict your claim @Acts 20:28?

sagenaija:

MaxInDHouse, janosky: There are words I have never used and claims I've never made in my discussions with you guys. Go back to every single one of my post to check. But because you have assumed my position in issues you argue from your preconceived opinions about my stance. Instead of looking at the issues presented, you prefer to be either on the defensive, refusing to directly answer questions or on the other hand attack the other person.

I have stretched myself in responding to janosky in spite of his odd ways but it seems one would have to give up on him.

I'm happy though that MaxinDHouse has an area of agreement with me: that both Jehovah and Jesus are 'the First and the Last'.

That 'First and the Last' who was dead, and now alive for ever and ever (Rev. 1:17-18) is the same Lamb whose blood bought his church. Maybe he will better understand that.

MaxInDHouse:


There is nothing like agreement between you and i!

Jehovah and Jesus were together when badness began and both of them will surely see the end of badness. One of them died for three days and the other (who never died) having the power to do and undo raised him from the dead so it means they can't be the same person!

My stand remains that all the religions on this planet have their doctrines even though some claims they're denominations of the same religion yet their doctrines still contradicts while many don't even believe (trust) the same book, each of them have different books they regard as "HOLY"
So to unravel the mystery one first century Jewish carpenter who later became a teacher said:

 “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit! Matthew 7:15-18

This simply means each religion will continue to argue that they know God so for an honest hearted and sincere individual to ascertain the authenticity of the group practicing pure worship all we need is the result of their faith! James 2:18-26

Whoever is not ready to do this can continue arguing with all the religions in the world! Titus 3:9

May you have PEACE!

"when badness began and both of them will surely see the end of badness."

sagenaija:

You seem ever so eager to quickly respond to others. We are not talking about

Unless you're saying that the title 'First and the Last' means what you're saying up there. But then you need to show us FROM SCRIPTURE how that is so.

Can you answer these in the affirmative:
Is Jehovah 'The First and the Last'?
Is Jesus also 'The First and the Last'?

sagenaija:

MaxinDHouse, I am not talking about any interpretation. All I'm asking is:
Do you believe that:
Jehovah is 'The First and the Last'?
And also that Jesus too is 'The First and the Last'?

sagenaija:
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MaxinDHouse, I am not talking about any interpretation. All I'm asking is:
Do you believe that:
Jehovah is 'The First and the Last'?
And also that Jesus too is 'The First and the Last'?

TenQ:

Unfortunately, empty barrels make the greatest NOISE!

Only Jesus can judge the QUALITY of work of His servants. 1Cor3:15 says some true Christians work will burn. Matt6:6

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, janosky: There are words I have never used and claims I've never made in my discussions with you guys. Go back to every single one of my post to check. But because you have assumed my position in issues you argue from your preconceived opinions about my stance.

sagenaija:

Instead of looking at the issues presented, you prefer to be either on the defensive, refusing to directly answer questions or on the other hand attack the other person.

sagenaija:

I have stretched myself in responding to janosky in spite of his odd ways but it seems one would have to give up on him.

sagenaija:


I'm happy though that MaxinDHouse has an area of agreement with me: that both Jehovah and Jesus are 'the First and the Last'.

That 'First and the Last' who was dead, and now alive for ever and ever (Rev. 1:17-18) is the same Lamb whose blood bought his church. Maybe he will better understand that.

Janosky:

This is your usual rant.
Present the proof.
I have always answered your questions & claims with verses you can verify in your own Bible & confirm it's authenticity.
.If you have any proof, bring it up.
Everyone will see it
This is a public forum.
You said God has blood @ Acts20:28, your Trinity devotees led by the same holy ghost that leads you said no, his son has blood. Pontius Pilate confirmed that.
Jesus himself confirmed that.
Paul confirmed that.
But you are telling this public forum that Paul contradicts himself.
Let me ask you:
is it odd to believe the evidences of Jesus, Paul, Pontius Pilate and God's evidence "this is my Son @ Matthew 3:17?
Is God Almighty the Lamb?
Which of your 3 deities is the Lamb?

sagenaija:

MaxinDHouse!
You must be parting yourself on the back for what you you chunning out here.
The SIMPLE questions were about whether the TITLE stated APPLIED to both Jehovah and Jesus.
In answering, you are EXPLAINING the title and not stating WHO it belongs to.
If you were in an exam do you think you'd be given a pass mark?

When you first answered 'Yes' to both on a previous occasion you did not know the implication. When you were now exposed to it, you decided to err on the side of taking an opposing view to an 'opponent'.

But we are sure you know deep inside of you that you are running away from correctly answering the questions.

Bishopkingsley:

You are correct
God warned everyone don't add to the scriptures don't remove also

So just because the place looks strange and heavy does not mean we should add to it leave it like it is

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood

God purchased his people with his own blood

But JW say Jesus is God so why are they crying over this place

The thing is this shows it talking about God Almighty that why they add son to their evil translation

Glory to our God Almighty who purchased us with his blood

sagenaija:
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Where did I say God has blood? Show us or show yourself to be the liar.

Sagenaija made a comment at 6:42pm on 26th August,2021 and your Trinity devotees friend, Bishop Kingsley responded at 7:09pm.
Two questions for Sagenaija:
In the screenshot,is Bishop Kingsley LYING against you?
According to your post on 27th August,2021, @10:05pm, does God have blood to purchase you?

The incontrovertible evidence proven that Sagenaija says God have blood to purchase him (Sagenaija).
Bishop Kingsley agreed

Janosky:

Sagenaija made a comment at 6:42pm on 26th August,2021 and your Trinity devotees friend, Bishop Kingsley responded at 7:09pm.
Two questions for Sagenaija:
In the screenshot,is Bishop Kingsley LYING against you?
According to your post on 27th August,2021, @10:05pm, does God have blood to purchase you?

The incontrovertible evidence proven that Sagenaija says God have blood to purchase him (Sagenaija).
Bishop Kingsley agreed