Janosky:

Yet, your brain will not tell you your Bible says his Father appointed Jesus as judge

sagenaija:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NIV

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14 NIV

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 1:15 NIV

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Colossians 2:9 NIV

Jesus said: "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."
Matthew 16:18 NIV


"For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
1 Peter 1:18‭-‬19 NIV

"Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
Acts 20:28 NIV

If the above do not clear your mind as to how God bought his church, nothing else will.

sagenaija:
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV

“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
John 10:33 NIV

Jesus his(sic) one of God's Spirit Sons in heaven and we have found out that he is the Archangel Michael!

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It was not the Jews who made the statement in John 5:18. It was Apostle John's analysis THROUGH INSPIRATION that brought about that statement. [/quote:


Jesus said to him: “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” John 5:8
What has this got to do with calling someone a God?
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The Jews in John 10:33 CLEARLY said Jesus "claim to be God.” "claim to be God.”, "claim to be God.”, "claim to be God.”
If I say you, MaxinDHouse, claim to be a JW would that be putting words into your mouth? I'm simply saying that you said so. Are you going to claim that you understand what those who were eyewitnesses said about Jesus than they did? Are you going down the same route of your GB adding to or subtracting from Scripture to fit your narrative?
NOWHERE in Scripture did it say that:

sagenaija:
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Context! Context!! Context!!!
You miss that then you misunderstand the portion.

It was not the Jews who made the statement in John 5:18. It was Apostle John's analysis THROUGH INSPIRATION that brought about that statement.

The Jews were not calling Jesus God in John 10:33. They said he CLAIMED to be God.
Are you a teacher in JW and you do not know the difference between the two?

MaxInDHouse:


That's exactly what i'm saying, Jesus never made such claim, they lied!

sagenaija:

Let's start with John 5:18. What do you say about this assertion of John?

MaxInDHouse:


This is why the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God
So what exactly?

sagenaija:

Again, are you a teacher in JW and you do not know what exactly?
What did John say was one of the reasons why the Jews began seeking all the more to kill Jesus?

sagenaija:

MaxinDHouse, It is John speaking here in this verse, not any other person. It is John who said: "For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV

Is it that you didn't see that or are you trying to run away from something?

So, What did John say was one of the reasons why the Jews began seeking all the more to kill Jesus?

sagenaija:

"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV
Did Jesus call God his Father or was that a false accusation by the Jews?
What was the implication of his calling God his Father?

sagenaija:
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"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV
Did Jesus call God his Father or was that a false accusation by the Jews?
What was the implication of his calling God his Father?

MaxInDHouse:


It's you that's shying away from facts!

John was talking about the allegations levelled against Jesus by the religious title chiefs, not what really happened.
Jesus called God his father just as those people did {John 8:41} but what is the bone of contention? Jesus was speaking as God's representative making it sound as if he knows the making of all the laws in Israel and the practical application and nobody can accuse him of breaking it.
For instance Jesus condemned their cruel application of the Sabbath exposing their wicked mindset! Mark 3:1-6

Before the Roman authority their accusation is clearly spelt out:

The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. John 19:7 KJV
Your TRINITY won't change the fact my friend!

When his Trinity mentors twisted 1John 5:17,dem no quick see John 19:7 to twist am.

Any interpretation Trinitarians will give to John 10:33 & John 5:18, the same Jews @ John 19:7 proven the Trinitarian interpretation is FALSE

sagenaija:
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NIV

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14 NIV

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 1:15 NIV

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Colossians 2:9 NIV

Jesus said: "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."
Matthew 16:18 NIV


"For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
1 Peter 1:18‭-‬19 NIV

"Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
Acts 20:28 NIV

If the above do not clear your mind as to how God bought his church, nothing else will.
sagenaija:
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Where did I say God has blood? Show us or show yourself to be the liar

Sagenaija refused to accept he ever made the claim , "God has blood" on this thread.

Sagenaija misquote of scripture doesn't change the fact that he lied
God Almighty is NOT anyone's Son at anytime, John 5:37, says Jesus.

Those Polytheists who worship 3 persons must push aside Jesus proof @ John 5:37 & John 4:23-24 to suit their opinion that one of their 3 Gods have blood

always believe that God is their FATHER because God called the nation His people {Exodus 5:2} and Israel His son {Hosea 11:1}?

sagenaija:
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When simple questions are not answered directly it becomes obvious that you are running away from something.

If, like you claimed, the Jews had always believed that God is their Father, why would Jesus calling God his Father be a bone of contention between him and them?

sagenaija:

Did the Jews not believe Moses and the prophets had direct relationship with God? If they didn't, why would they accept what came from them as coming from God?

sagenaija:

When Jesus was arrested before his crucifixion and the priests all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?”(Luke 22:70) was it that they forgot that they were all to see God as Father? This their question clearly debunks your position that they saw him as "making himself somehow important than any other servant of God prior to him". They CLEARLY had more than that in mind.

So, your other argument is that it was only because of some "feeling that's he's turning himself to God before them" that they resented him. They had some "feeling". Interesting! Just a feeling.

They latched onto Luke Luke 22:69-70 "the son of man sitting on the right hand of the mighty God". (Serious issues for Trinitarian claims on Isaiah 9:6, two mighty Gods of Trinity worshippers )

sagenaija:

Are you aware that there were others before Jesus who claim to be the Messiah and the Jews followed them wholesale? So it was not out of place for them follow a God-figure? They had run with many young men before now in their history. Check things out man!

sagenaija:

When, instead of focusing on the verse I presented you are going on a circuitous route to want to arrive at your preferred position, it only bring you out for who you are.

It was Jesus's teachings and doctrinal positions that informed his life and PRACTICE. The two cannot be divorced from each other. (Again, remember Mary and Martha which I pointed you to a while back). Anyone who tells you that DOCTRINE isn't important has sold you a dummy.

John was making an emphatic declaration when he said:
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV

sagenaija:


They did not see him claim to just be more important than other servants of God. They saw his claims to be at a much more higher level.

sagenaija:


Which of God's previous servants ever said that he was the Lord of the sabbath? Btw MaxinDHouse, who was the sabbath DEDICATED to?
Which previous servant ever said 'I and the Father are one'?
When the Father said twice - at Jesus's baptism and at the Transfiguration - 'This is my Son!' did he forget that he had other sons in Israel who

sagenaija:

Which of God's previous servants ever said that he was the Lord of the sabbath? Btw MaxinDHouse, who was the sabbath DEDICATED to?
Which previous servant ever said 'I and the Father are one'?
When the Father said twice - at Jesus's baptism and at the Transfiguration - 'This is my Son!' did he forget that he had other sons in Israel who

Janosky:

If Jesus "calling God his Father" is an issue for the Jews, why is it not an issue when the same Jews themselves call God "our Father"?
The Jews accepted what came from the prophets as coming from God.
Did the Jews ever said their Prophet is God himself? Mr mind reader, well done
The Jews were desperate for any excuse to do away with Jesus.
They latched onto Luke Luke 22:69-70 "the son of man sitting on the right hand of the mighty God". (Serious issues for Trinitarian claims on Isaiah 9:6, two mighty Gods of Trinity worshippers ) & Luke23:3 "king of the Jews" in the midst of Roman empire oppression. Exodus 7:1 & 4:16, Moses was a Godlike figure for the Jews too. John 5:1 NIV, " Sometime later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem...."
John reports events he saw , he saw the Jews make the FALSE claim at verse18 chapter 5.
John the Baptiser knew that much. He said he can't untie Jesus sandals.
He also called Jesus the lamb of God.
"This is my Son" is a specific reference to Jesus Christ.

MaxInDHouse:

It's like you need help to learn like a child in the nursery classes, so let's pick it one by one

sagenaija:

Since you know that I love "straightforward questions (with) straightforward answers" why then has it been difficult for you to answer my questions "one by one like you're studying (your) book of bible stories with a toddler"?

Why have you been running away from my 'toddler' questions?

So, can you please answer these questions for me from a 'toddler's perspective:
Which of God's previous servants ever said that he was the Lord of the sabbath? Btw MaxinDHouse, who was the sabbath DEDICATED to?
Which previous servant ever said 'I and the Father are one'?
When the Father said twice - at Jesus's baptism and at the Transfiguration - 'This is my Son!' did he forget that he had other sons in Israel?

The Pharisees refused to accept the fact that Jesus was the Son of God. They understood the implication of that title because the Son of God is equally God, just as Son of man has to do with HUMANITY. JWs apparently are in agreement with the Pharisees in refusing to accept Jesus as the Son of God. That may be one of the many other things they have in common.

MaxInDHouse:


One thing i've noticed about him is he loves straightforward questions and straightforward answers. So instead of typing so much that will confuse him just pick things one by one like you're studying my book of bible stories with a toddler.
I'm sure that will work!

sagenaija:
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1. Jesus, in his humanity subjected himself to God the Father's will - "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."
Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 NIV

Trinitarians twisting of the holy scriptures.
@ Phillipians 2:6,Would holy spirit give Paul a revelation conflicting with John 14:28?
1 Error:
There is no Theiotes (nature) at Philippians 2:7
Greek morphé (meaning "Form" is NOT nature.
2 Error:
John 14:28, Jesus says he has no equality with God his Father.
Therefore, Jesus can not use equality that does NOT exist to his own advantage.
Your fellow Trinitarian devotee,Bill Mounce Greek word for word Interlinear proven your NIV twisting fraudulent.

sagenaija:
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2. God called Jesus 'Son' showing that they are co-equal - "But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom."
Hebrews 1:8 NIV

4 different evidences against your NIV Trinitarian version:
#1.
The Jewish language Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7, "Thy throne given to God"
Hebrews 1:8-9 is a copy of Psalms 45:6-7.

#2
Psalms 45:6-7, the Catholic Jerusalem Bible, staunch Trinitarians.

#3
The Message Bible,Moffat Bible &other Trinity worshippers @Psalms45:6-7 reject your Trinitarian twisting of Hebrews 1:8.

#4
Would Paul a Jew twist a scripture he quotes from the Hebrew language scroll?
Definitely no!!
The screenshots evidences speaks volumes

sagenaija:

1. Jesus, in his humanity subjected himself to God the Father's will - "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."
Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 NIV

2. God called Jesus 'Son' showing that they are co-equal - "But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom."
Hebrews 1:8 NIV