Deadlytruth:


This is very revealing as it makes us understand that Ironsi became GOC through wuruwu rather than through merit and seniority yet Ojukwu didn't protest but would many years later shed crocodile tears that seniority wasn't followed in choosing Gowon over Ogundipe to head the new military government which succeeded Ironsi's. Hypocrite Ojukwu.
From the brief discription of Wellington Bassey's personality here, it is obvious that had merit and seniority being followed and he was made GOC on the strength of these two criteria, as a disciplined officer without any political ambition the military wouldn't have ever ventured into politics under his watch hence the Nigeria Army wouldn't have lost its professionalism and become divided along tribal lines as it began to happen under Ironsi.

According to Azikiwe , 6 Senior Officers from the East were skipped over in order to make Ojukwu the Governor of the Eastern Region
Wellington Bassey Of Calabar was again the most Senior among them, he was about 10 years Ojukwus Senior Officer and about 20 years Ojukwus Senior in the Army

Bassey and Ogundipe had both fought the 2nd world War, but Ogundipe had left after the War and re-enlisted to the Army 3 years later

Wellington Bassey had Served as ADC to the Queen of England when she visited Nigeria in 1956

The Queen of England awarded Wellington Bassey an MBE for his Army Service

Deadlytruth:

Just imagine! And the same Ojukwu who gladly accepted the appointment of Eastern Region governor by Ironsi who skipped a whooping six senior Eastern origin officers ahead of him would later have the moral temerity to warn that the appointment of Gowon over Ogundipe had set a precedent of disrespect of seniority which would affect Nigeria Army for long. Ojukwu was a damn hypocrite!

David Ejoor and Hassan Katsina both said it publicly back then that Ironsi lied in his national broadcast when he claimed that his decrees were all ratified by the Supreme military council. They added that he deliberately made his constitution review committee nearly 100% Igbo in composition because he knew that with people of other regions in a sizeable proportion in that committee, his push for Unitary system would not materialize when subjected to voting.

After the Coup Ironsi embaraked on a Misinformation Campaign to Confuse People about his role in it

Deadlytruth:

Just imagine! And the same Ojukwu who gladly accepted the appointment of Eastern Region governor by Ironsi who skipped a whooping six senior Eastern origin officers ahead of him would later have the moral temerity to warn that the appointment of Gowon over Ogundipe had set a precedent of disrespect of seniority which would affect Nigeria Army for long. Ojukwu was a damn hypocrite!

David Ejoor and Hassan Katsina both said it publicly back then that Ironsi lied in his national broadcast when he claimed that his decrees were all ratified by the Supreme military council. They added that he deliberately made his constitution review committee nearly 100% Igbo in composition because he knew that with people of other regions in a sizeable proportion in that committee, his push for Unitary system would not materialize when subjected to voting.

After the Coup Ironsi embarked on a Misinformation Campaign to Cover up the True details of the Coup

Read let “ Truth be told “ by David Muffet”

Can you believe that Ojukwu was in Kaduna during the time Sardauna and Ademulegun and their wives were assassinated ?

Col Sodeindes Wife even said she saw Ojukwu talking to Soldiers on Ademuleguns Staircase when she had gone to Report her Husbands death to Ademulegun


She then hid herself because she found the scene to be very Suspicious

Little did she know that Ademulegun himself and his wife had already been assassinated too


The British declassified Papers also Confirmed that Ojukwu had returned to the Kano Battalion that he Commanded from Kaduna at 8 am on the Morning of the Coup

Ambassador Fafowora in his book “ lest I forget “even went further to say that on. his way to London that day when the Plane stopped at Kano to pick passengers , Ojukwu and his Soldiers went on Board and arrested a man who they thought was Prime Minister Balewa’s brother

What does that tell you?

Ojukwu and Ironsi were part of the Coup

gidgiddy:


This story keeps getting better. So some people were angry and alarmed that Ironsi was tampering with the Federal Regional structure, then they kicked Ironsi out after 6 months and brought in Gowon. Gowon then consults widely and the people tell Gowon that they want him to do much worse than Ironsi did. So Gowon listens to the people, abolishes the 4 Regions, creates 12 states, takes away resource control and puts it in the hands of the federal government, something Ironsi didnt even do. Those who were angry with Ironsi's decree 34, happily accept Gowons Decree 14 which was 50 times worse.

So what is then point of starting this useless thread about Ironsi removing Regionalism since you know thats what the people wanted? Thats what you said the people told Gowon to do.

This thread belongs to the joke section because it is full of nonsense

You are just pretending not to get the import of the whole argument. Let's look at it this way:
Ironsi met a car in a good and perfect working condition. The car was being used by the public and no member of the public complained about it in any way.But he insisted the car was not working well and argued that the engine should be changed. The people told him they made the car themselves and was not having any problem whatsoever. But Ironsi went ahead and dismantled the car, replaced the engine with a bad one and the car began to malfunction.
The people again asked him to remove the engine and replace it with the old one. He refused still. Then a section of the people killed him and replaced he himself with Gowon. Immediately, Gowon began trying to restore the previous engine to the car but kept on consulting the people who made the car for directives on how to reinstall the original engine correctly to enable the car work perfectly as before. This repair process was going on smoothly as the people who made the car were giving him the correct directives on the repair process. But somewhere along the line, Ojukwu came and began to ask that the whole car plus the engine be broken down completely and the parts thrown away in different directions. He threatened to do it himself if the people refused to pressure Gowon into doing his bidding. At this point it became necessary to fight off Ojukwu first and later return to continue with the repair of the car. So Gowon had to halt the repairs and on the people's directive make a few alterations which would make the car suitable to be used in fighting off Ojukwu successfully. Do you blame Gowon and the people for discontinuing with the repairs or the very Ojukwu who threatened to destroy the car completely should the repairs continue?

At the point where Ojukwu began to threaten fire and brimstone the people had no choice other than to bow to any strategy that would successfully keep him in check.
So the conclusion of the matter is that Gowon was only trying to repair a seriously damaged car but had to halt the process because of the need to first stave off another threat to the car as a whole, while Ironsi decided to damage the car when he met in perfectly working condition. So who between the two of them is really guilty of the fact that the car ended up being destroyed?

HedwigesMaduro:


Calm down and let your friend that you ate digest first.

Ogbeni afonja owomida............minister of skull mining ! I greet you sir! blubber lipped loudmouth!

ebufa:





Ogbeni afonja owomida............minister of skull mining ! I greet you sir! blubber lipped loudmouth!

Mazi osu pig a.k.a onitsha head Bridge tout ..
Minister of cannibalism and organ trafficking!

I hail you sir..
More human meat in your egusi

So you believe that someone can change Nigeria political and economic structure in 6 months such that what he did cannot be reversed?

Deadlytruth:


You clearly read where your brother Ironsi refered to the regions as former regions and added that Nigeria ceased to become a federation yet you are still playing the ostrich with Afonja self delusion.
You people are simply pathetic!

Deadlytruth:

Posers on Ironsi and abolition of federalism.

Those who contend that Ironsi's Decrees 34 didn't abolish the true federalism and resource control we started with at independence should in very simple language explain what exactly Ironsi meant with the bolded expressions in his May 24 1966 National Broadcast reproduced in part below:

Ironsi's Broadcast to the Nation banning
Political Parties and introducing Decree No. 34, 24 May 1966.
www.dawodu.com


Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number
of territorial areas called provinces. . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council.
All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. [The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and
Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.

The above conjectures are completely idiotic and ignorant. Only in Africa in general and Nigeria in particular where silly opinions become gospel.

Christistruth00:



After the Coup Ironsi embarked on a Misinformation Campaign to Cover up the True details of the Coup

Read let “ Truth be told “ by David Muffet”

Can you believe that Ojukwu was in Kaduna during the time Sardauna and Ademulegun and their wives were assassinated ?

Col Sodeindes Wife even said she saw Ojukwu talking to Soldiers on Ademuleguns Staircase when she had gone to Report her Husbands death to Ademulegun


She then hid herself because she found the scene to be very Suspicious

Little did she know that Ademulegun himself and his wife had already been assassinated too


The British declassified Papers also Confirmed that Ojukwu had returned to the Kano Battalion that he Commanded from Kaduna at 8 am on the Morning of the Coup

Ambassador Fafowora in his book “ lest I forget “even went further to say that on. his way to London that day when the Plane stopped at Kano to pick passengers , Ojukwu and his Soldiers went on Board and arrested a man who they thought was Prime Minister Balewa’s brother

What does that tell you?

Ojukwu and Ironsi were part of the Coup

Please can you tell the reason Nigeria should grow with people of intellect such as you? Ojukwu was in Kano and cannot be in Kaduna when a mutiny is underway. Any military commander who vacates his/her HQ at the time of such military situation should be shot.

So Canada with provinces(regions), does each region have their own embassies in other countries? The United States individual states that have their own constitution and Supreme Court, do they have their own embassies? It was not a standard thing Awolowo did.

christistruth01:



What happened to the Western Region's UK Embassy on Great Portland St in London after Gen Ironsi's Unification decree

Didn't it have to be Closed down because of Ironsi's decree and their building taken over by the Federal Government later

An Embassy which had been deliberately set up by Awolowo himself on behalf of his People
that was completely responsible for looking after the Welfare of Western Region Scholarship Students in the UK and bringing new Economic Oppotunities and Advances to the Region

Nigeria has no region. Nw,NENC,SS SW,SE are unconstitutional!

Deadlytruth:

Then you have finally opened up that you don't really know what what differentiates regionalism (i.e. in the context of federalism) from Unitary system.
Federalism is not the mere existence of subnational units but it is about the degree to which they have autonomy. UK has subnational units but it is like a confederacy because England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland enjoy very large autonomy. But within England, for example, the subnational units don't enjoy much autonomy hence it is a unitary system.
In Nigeria currently, we have regions namely NE, NW, NC, SE, SW and SS in existence but does that automatically translate to us practicing regionalism in Nigeria currently? Capital NO! So it is very possible to have regions or a semblance of regions in existence and yet not practise regionalism. Such was the case with Ironsi. He first broke down the regions to provinces, and on a second thought regrouped the provinces but not back to regions because he actually never wanted the regions to be exactly as they were before. He found the forner regions too powerful and he didn't like it so he regrouped the his provinces into groups of provinces so that they would still look like regions in appearance even though he had stripped them of their powers. That was nothing but divide and rule tactics. Ironsi was just a clever manipulator. If he knew he would later regroup the provinces to coincide with the boundaries of the regions to feign the existence of regions, then why did he ever break the regions to provinces in the first instance?
Please answer this question in bold.


What Ironsi did was to weaken the regions by reducing them to provinces which he made totally powerless by not creating any leadership office for the individual provinces but appointing a general ruler over them. Then why create the provinces? It is like not allowing the present 774 LGAs have chairmen but just appointing a general head for them in their state capitals. Does that make any sense in true federalism?

We're the premiers reporting to Balewa when the regions were still actually regions?
It is like asking the present governors in the NW geopolitical region to all vacate their seats and then appointing a sole administrator for all of them with his office in Kaduna and then order that sole administrator to always take instructions from Buhari before he does anything about governance of the NW. Is that how federalism or regionalism works?
Iron's also gave order that all civil servants had become national civil servants meaning that the civil servants previously collecting taxes, generating revenues and remitting it to their regional premiers were now to remit such revenues to the national government at the center hence the groups of provinces (fake regions) no longer in charge of their revenue sources thus the killing of resource control. Is that regionalism in practice?

The mere fact that the boundaries of the groups of provinces still coincided with those of the former regions doesn't still cut it.
We all know that when taken together, the present boundaries of Edo and Delta States coincide exactly with the boundaries of the defunct Bendel State but does that mean that Bendel State is still in existence right now and still being governed as one entity? A big NO. So forget about this theory of boundary coincidence. It makes no meaning at all.

Deadlytruth:


You are just pretending not to get the import of the whole argument. Let's look at it this way:
Ironsi met a car in a good and perfect working condition. The car was being used by the public and no member of the public complained about it in any way.But he insisted the car was not working well and argued that the engine should be changed. The people told him they made the car themselves and was not having any problem whatsoever. But Ironsi went ahead and dismantled the car, replaced the engine with a bad one and the car began to malfunction.
The people again asked him to remove the engine and replace it with the old one. He refused still. Then a section of the people killed him and replaced he himself with Gowon. Immediately, Gowon began trying to restore the previous engine to the car but kept on consulting the people who made the car for directives on how to reinstall the original engine correctly to enable the car work perfectly as before. This repair process was going on smoothly as the people who made the car were giving him the correct directives on the repair process. But somewhere along the line, Ojukwu came and began to ask that the whole car plus the engine be broken down completely and the parts thrown away in different directions. He threatened to do it himself if the people refused to pressure Gowon into doing his bidding. At this point it became necessary to fight off Ojukwu first and later return to continue with the repair of the car. So Gowon had to halt the repairs and on the people's directive make a few alterations which would make the car suitable to be used in fighting off Ojukwu successfully. Do you blame Gowon and the people for discontinuing with the repairs or the very Ojukwu who threatened to destroy the car completely should the repairs continue?

At the point where Ojukwu began to threaten fire and brimstone the people had no choice other than to bow to any strategy that would successfully keep him in check.
So the conclusion of the matter is that Gowon was only trying to repair a seriously damaged car but had to halt the process because of the need to first stave off another threat to the car as a whole, while Ironsi decided to damage the car when he met in perfectly working condition. So who between the two of them is really guilty of the fact that the car ended up being destroyed?

Look at what someone wrote, trying to defend the actions of Gowon. Every now and then he will open a thread and claim that Ironsi removed Regionalism in the 6 months he was in power, then defend Gowon's 9 years in power, in which time, Nigeria went from 4 Regions to 12 states. He wants everyone to believe that the problem of Nigeria was 6 months of Ironsi, but not the 9 years of Gowon.

All those Northern officers who conspired to kick out Ironsi; Gowon, Murtala Mohammed, Babangida, Abacha and even the current President, Buhari, all conspired to subdivide Nigeria into the present 36 states it has, from the 4 Region's Ironsi had.

All of this proves that Nigeria is not a nation and should disintegrate. If Ironsi's 6 months is the problem, and over 40 years of one Northerner or the other as head of state, in either military or civilian guise, could not rectify the problem, what are we doing together?

Let stop this blame game from 55 years ago of Ironsi and admit we never moved forward. If we did, we would not be talking about Ironsi, we would be talking about how all military rulers were bad for us all. But even today, we have a former military ruler and one of those who removed Ironsi, as our President. Even him does not want to restructure Nigeria back to anything that existed during Ironsi's time or before

Let us admit that Nigeria has failed. Let us conduct referendum, and let those who wish to be independent will go their way. 6 months of Ironsi, as the problem, in 61 years of Nigerias independence, simply makes no sense

Lets all admit that Nigeria has never worked, no matter who was in power or what they did, and just agree to disintegrate

Christistruth00:



According to Azikiwe , 6 Senior Officers from the East were skipped over in order to make Ojukwu the Governor of the Eastern Region
Wellington Bassey Of Calabar was again the most Senior among them, he was about 10 years Ojukwus Senior Officer and about 20 years Ojukwus Senior in the Army

Bassey and Ogundipe had both fought the 2nd world War, but Ogundipe had left after the War and re-enlisted to the Army 3 years later

Wellington Bassey had Served as ADC to the Queen of England when she visited Nigeria in 1956

The Queen of England awarded Wellington Bassey an MBE for his Army Service

Wellington Umoh Bassey was not of Calabar and never Efik. Wellington Umoh Bassey was commissioned in 1953. He was NOT the ADC to Queen Elizabeth II of UK during her visit to the amalgamated territory of British in 1956. The ADC to the Queen Elizabeth II was Major Aguiyi Ironsi who was the only African with the rank of Major in the British African Frontier Force. Wellington Umoh Bassey was commissioned in 1953. However, Wellington Duke Bassey of Calabar who was Efik got commissioned in the 1949, the same year Ironsi, Ademelogun and Seyi, a Ghanaian, were commissioned. Unfortunately, Ugboma and Duke Bassey left Queen's Royal Regiment in 1953 before the amalgamated territory known as Nigeria gained independence. Ugboma and Duke Bassey were not members of Nigeria armed forces during or after 1960. Most Nigerians are deceitfully foolish and intellectually lazy. The goons cannot separate a person who was commissioned in 1953 and another who resigned his commission in the same year. It is completely idiotic to have a soldier stand in one rank for 12 years as the jackasses seemed to want us believe Wellington Umoh Bassey did.

Umoh Bassey was commissioned in1953 and Ojukwu was commissioned in 1957 and backdated to 1955 with seniority. Bassey and Ojukwu were trained at Eaton Hall in UK. However, Ojukwu had a master's degree from Oxford and converted to regular infantry with loss of rank. Ojukwu would have outranked Umoh Bassey if he had remained as DSS.

Christistruth00:




Gen Ironsi was the head of the Army but the most Senior Officer was supposed to be a Calabar man called Wellington Duke Umoh Bassey who had been parked by Gen Ironsi’s kinsman Governor General Azikiwe and NCNC into a Captains posting in Zaria depot in order to make way for Gen Ironsi to emerge as head of the Nigerian Army

All Wellington Basseys Promotions were delayed until after Gen Ironsi had emerged as head of the Army and Ojukwu head of the Eastern Region


Wellington. Umoh Bassey was already a Major in 1954 when Gowon joined the Army Ojukwu joined in 1955

In 1960 when the British left it was Wellington Umoh Bassey who had also lead the Independence Day is Parade that they were preparing to take over leadership of the Nigerian Army

Wellington Umoh Bassey whose nickname was Duke of Wellington was Gen Ironsi’s Senior Officer in the Army by more than 3 years

Can you believe that the same Wellington Bassey who was Ironsi’s Senior in the Army was almost assassinated during the Jan 1966 in the Zaria depot where he and his Army Career had been frustrated and dumped by Azikiwe and NCNC for Gen Ironsi’s sake but had just managed to escape at the last minute


Wellington Umoh Bassey’s only offence was that he was from Calabar and was Ironsi’s Senior Officer in the Army

Because of that Azikiwe took it upon himself to destroy Bassey’s Career

Wellington Bassey had joined the Army 7 years before Ironsi in 1936 and was an Officer three and a half years before Gen Ironsi

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Another crap posted by a lazy Nigerian. If the so-called Bassey was commissioned in 1946 as the junk would want us to believe, then Bassey was equally senior to Ugboma who was commissioned in 1948. What a goofy author.

Igbokid:

Mazi osu pig a.k.a onitsha head Bridge tout ..
Minister of cannibalism and organ trafficking!

I hail you sir..
More human meat in your egusi

ofe mmanu creep! ndi owomida....jaguda in chief of mushin olosha! which is worse? your ugliness or your legendary treachery!

gidgiddy:


Look at what someone wrote, trying to defend the actions of Gowon. Every now and then he will open a thread and claim that Ironsi removed Regionalism in the 6 months he was in power, then defend Gowon's 9 years in power, in which time, Nigeria went from 4 Regions to 12 states. He wants everyone to believe that the problem of Nigeria was 6 months of Ironsi, but not the 9 years of Gowon.

All those Northern officers who conspired to kick out Ironsi; Gowon, Murtala Mohammed, Babangida, Abacha and even the current President, Buhari, all conspired to subdivide Nigeria into the present 36 states it has, from the 4 Region's Ironsi had.

All of this proves that Nigeria is not a nation and should disintegrate. If Ironsi's 6 months is the problem, and over 40 years of one Northerner or the other as head of state, in either military or civilian guise, could not rectify the problem, what are we doing together?

Let stop this blame game from 55 years ago of Ironsi and admit we never moved forward. If we did, we would not be talking about Ironsi, we would be talking about how all military rulers were bad for us all. But even today, we have a former military ruler and one of those who removed Ironsi, as our President. Even him does not want to restructure Nigeria back to anything that existed during Ironsi's time or before

Let us admit that Nigeria has failed. Let us conduct referendum, and let those who wish to be independent will go their way. 6 months of Ironsi, as the problem, in 61 years of Nigerias independence, simply makes no sense

Lets all admit that Nigeria has never worked, no matter who was in power or what they did, and just agree to disintegrate

You yourself know it deep down in your heart that If Ironsi never reneged on his oath of office but actually defended the 1963 constitution in those circumstances as he swore to, Nigeria wouldn't have taken the turn that led it to this failed state. Nigeria worked from Independence till the day Ironsi misadventured into politics.
The person who introduced an evil into a system is usually blamed for the failure of that system. Adam introduced sin and we all who came after him became sinners committed far more terrible sins, but it is Adam and not us the bible blames for destroying Gods original plan for man.
Tribalistic politics is one big problem today which we are all guilty of but if asked, you Igbos don't blame those of us who now do it but quickly blame Awolowo who, according to you people, introduced it. You don't ask why those who came After Awolowo couldn't correct it but even did worse. You exonerate those who carried tribalistic politics to new heights and keep hammering that Awolowo introduced it so he should take all the blame alone.
Though Awolowo didn't actually introduce tribalistic politics or tribalism, Zik did. I only cited this issue to show that even you Igbos agree very much with the philosophy that a person who introduced an evil is actually to be held responsible for whatever damage that evil does to the society whether in the short or long term, but only that when it comes to the issue of the destruction of the original constitution of Nigeria you operate double standards and shy away from applying that same philosophy to Ironsi who introduced it obviously because he is Igbo like you.
See yourselves?
Why do you want Nigeria to blame Awolowo (assuming he introduced it) for the damage tribalistic politics has done to Nigeria rather than those who came after him and did worse in that act, but want Nigeria to blame the destruction of our original constitution on those who came after Ironsi and allegedly did worse as against the Ironsi himself who introduced the act of tampering with a truly people's constitution?

DMerciful:
Nigeria has no region. Nw,NENC,SS SW,SE are unconstitutional!

Exactly! Likewise, the Old Regions became unconstitutional under Ironsi who had changed them to mere groups of provinces which was a new arrangement in his own unitary constitution.
You made my day. Thank you.

Idiko1:


The above conjectures are completely idiotic and ignorant. Only in Africa in general and Nigeria in particular where silly opinions become gospel.

Only among Igbos do you find people dismiss hard facts backed up with documental evidence without providing superior contrary facts. This national broadcast is documented in a gazzete in the national archives. They are not conjectures or opinions at all. If you want a link to the original copy of Ironsi's national broadcast as reproduced below, you will gladly be furnished with it except you are just one of the lazy ipobians who hate to read.

DMerciful:
So you believe that someone can change Nigeria political and economic structure in 6 months such that what he did cannot be reversed?

Then you are obviously not a Nigerian. If you knew the circumstances of mutual suspicion that led to the making of that structure in the first instance you wouldn't ask this question at all.
If you and another person are heavily skeptical of each other and totally lack mutual trust and because of that you draw up a deed of agreement and both sign it, only for you to later uncover instances of violation of that deed by the other party, will you ever agree to work with that person under any kind of deed of agreement again? Wouldn't you believe that he is not trustworthy or disciplined enough to subject himself to any form of agreement?

Doesn't make sense that what Ironsi allegedly did was stucked to after just being in power for 6onths. Common, it's takes years to enforce an unpopular ideology.

Even till today, many people still reject the thought of true federalism with resource control

Deadlytruth:

Then you are obviously not a Nigerian. If you knew the circumstances of mutual suspicion that led to the making of that structure in the first instance you wouldn't ask this question at all.
If you and another person are heavily skeptical of each other and totally lack mutual trust and because of that you draw up a deed of agreement and both sign it, only for you to later uncover instances of violation of that deed by the other party, will you ever agree to work with that person under any kind of deed of agreement again? Wouldn't you believe that he is not trustworthy or disciplined enough to subject himself to any form of agreement?

Deadlytruth:
Nigeria wouldn't have taken the turn that led it to this failed state. Nigeria worked from Independence till the day Ironsi misadventured into politics.

this boy is obviously just here to troll

DMerciful:
Doesn't make sense that what Ironsi allegedly did was stucked to after just being in power for 6onths. Common, it's takes years to enforce an unpopular ideology.

Even till today, many people still reject the thought of true federalism with resource control

I have put up a simple analogy above for you but rather than answer yes or no you have chosen to still hammer on your question which made me give that analogy. Will you yourself as an individual believe in working under the guidance of an agreement with a person who you know has a reputation of easily reneging on the agreements he enters into?
Are you aware that in 1978 an attempt was made to correct Ironsi's blunder when Obasanjo, as military HOS, gave the charge to Professor Nwabueze (the same man who advised Ironsi to impose unitary system on the country just 12 years earlier on) to, through the 1978 Constitutional Conference, come up with recommendation on necessary ammendment of the exclusive, concurrent and residual lists only for Nwabueze to further transfer more items from both the concurrent and residual lists to the exclusive list claiming he wanted national unity exactly as he did under Ironsi even though he had by virtue of the costly Biafra war and the plundering of the Niger Delta wealth by other regions come to see with his own eyes the danger in having a center too strong? If you want a link to the story in which he made this confession with his own mouth I will gladly furnish you with it here and now.

Your analogy does not make sense, not applicable to the situation. You cannot love what you hate. 6 months is not enough to do anything that would last for generations unless that's what the people wanted.

I will not respond further

Deadlytruth:


I have put up a simple analogy above for you but rather than answer yes or no you have chosen to still hammer on your question which made me give that analogy. Will you yourself as an individual believe in working under the guidance of an agreement with a person who you know has a reputation of easily reneging on the agreements he enters into?
Are you aware that in 1978 an attempt was made to correct Ironsi's blunder when Obasanjo, as military HOS, gave the charge to Professor Nwabueze (the same man who advised Ironsi to impose unitary system on the country just 12 years earlier on) to, through the 1978 Constitutional Conference, come up with recommendation on necessary ammendment of the exclusive, concurrent and residual lists only for Nwabueze to further transfer more items from both the concurrent and residual lists to the exclusive list claiming he wanted national unity exactly as he did under Ironsi even though he had by virtue of the costly Biafra war and the plundering of the Niger Delta wealth by other regions seen with his own eyes the danger in having a center too strong? If you want a link to the story in which he made this confession with his own mouth I will gladly furnish you with it here and now.

joeyfire:


this boy is obviously just here to troll

You obviously have no superior arguments to the poser I gave up there. Why do you want us to blame Awolowo for tribalistic politics and not Ironsi for the subversion of the 1963 constitution? Since when did what is good for the goose become bad for the gander?

DMerciful:
Your analogy does not make sense, not applicable to the situation. You cannot love what you hate. 6 months is not enough to do anything that would last for generations unless that's what the people wanted.

I will not respond further

I have put it to you that an attempt was made twelve years later to correct the blunder and Professor Nwabueze was chosen to do it believing that he, being endowed with hindsight of the danger of his actions under Ironsi, was in the best position and was most likely to do the reversal but unfortunately went ahead to further centralize powers just as he did under Ironsi. So who are you blaming for the retention of this unpopular ideology if not the very people who introduced it? Why did you shy away from addressing this fact in your last comment above?

Deadlytruth:


[s]You obviously have no superior arguments to the poser I gave up there. Why do you want us to blame Awolowo for tribalistic politics and not Ironsi for the subversion of the 1963 constitution? Since when did what is good for the goose become bad for the gande[/s]r?

This trash you typed has no bearing on your claim that Nigeria was working until Ironsi took over.

joeyfire:


This trash you typed has no bearing on your claim that Nigeria was working until Ironsi took over.

Then why are we all now asking for a restructuring back to the independence constitution which we operated until Ironsi appeared on the scene through the back door? Do you wish to go back to a constitution under which Nigeria was not working? Den nor give you your brain keep na. Why you nor dey use am at least small small?

Deadlytruth:


[s]Then why are we all now asking for a restructuring back to the independence constitution which we operated until Ironsi appeared on the scene through the back door? Do you wish to go back to a constitution under which Nigeria was not working? Den nor give you your brain keep na. Why you nor dey use am at least small small?[/s]

This trash above has no bearing on this super nonsense below

Deadlytruth:
. Nigeria worked from Independence till the day Ironsi...

joeyfire:


This trash above no bearing on this super nonsense below

Then you obviously attended a bush school in AfghanEASTern republic where you weren't taught comprehension.

Deadlytruth:

Then you obviously attended a bush school in AfghanEASTern republic where you weren't taught comprehension.

Childish tribalist jabs don't impress me. You claim Nigeria was working but your proof is "we are asking for restructuring to those days"

Nigeria was working indeed as if we don't know thousands of people that were massacred in operation wetie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0F_5ma4lM

joeyfire:


Childish tribalist jabs don't impress me. You claim Nigeria was working but your proof is "we are asking for restructuring to those days"

You obviously have no use for logical reasoning.
Haven't you ever heard that Nigeria was a net exporter back in those days with each region trying to outdo the two others in terms of infrastructural projects? Wasn't it before the coming of Ironsi you hear about Coco House, Western Nigeria TV, Western Region Investment Board, Eastern Region partnership with Israeli experts for certain industrial projects of large scale, Kano groundnut pyramids, tin mining in Jos, Coal mining in Enugu, Northern Region establishing five potential universities at the same time, ongoing development of 12% area of Sambisa forest for ranches thus the forestalling of this present menace of Fulani Herdsmen and Boko Haram occupancy of Sambisa, Ahmadu Bello's policy of incorporation of Western Education into the curriculums of Islamic schools to avoid radicalization of the products of such schools, local government police that gathered intelligence at the grassroots for the federal police thus keeping insecurity totally down, and lots more? Did you ever hear of any of these again sequel to Ironsi's arrival?
Your responses here reveal that you are of the indomie generation. I usually don't engage indomie generation babies on discussions about Nigeria's political history because they bore the whole thing with their stubborn ignorance and keep asking stupid questions.