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Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Onlytruth(m): 5:48pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Some of my Igbo brothers here have demonstrated our usual genius. If I were constituting an Igbo leadership executive, I would do it as follows: ChinenyeN - Special Adviser on Nigerian National Affairs (can't go wrong with this dude walahi) Chyz- Special Adviser on Strategic Thinking (knows more about Nigeria than all Igbo I've seen on this site) Ezeuche -Commander of Special forces! (Act first and ask questions later) |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ChinenyeN(m): 5:49pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Jason, what the hell are you talking about? See this your response. Are you even sure you meant to quote/respond to me? |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Chyz2: 5:53pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
jason123: What do you mean by the bolded? |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Chyz2: 5:54pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Onlytruth: |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ChinenyeN(m): 5:55pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Noticed an error in my post. The below is the correction. "it's high time they be thoroughly treated as their self-imposed classification implies; as minorities." |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by jason123: 5:58pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: You wrote this and that was why I responded. Chyz*: Chyz, the MW was created to reduce the power and influence of AG by the NCNC and NPC. Well, it worked well since we now have our space (politically) |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by bashr4: 6:00pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
jason your funny oo can you give me a break down of the ethnic group in your so called niger delta both old, geographical and objs new nigerdelta |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by jason123: 6:03pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
bashr4:I'll assume you asked a rhetorical question. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by bashr4: 6:10pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
jason123: let me assume you have taken correction about who the niger deltans are. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ChinenyeN(m): 6:27pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
So you meant to write that nonsense to me. Do you not see how out of line your response is? You are telling me I'm wrong, but you turn around to say the exact same thing I've been saying since I first posted in this topic, except that your incorporating loads of unnecessary bullshit along with your comment. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by jason123: 6:31pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: Guy, calm down. I did not mean any harm (notice the smiles in the reply). |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ChinenyeN(m): 6:40pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
NL mobile. I can't see emoticons. If your response was meant as a joke then my mistake. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ChinenyeN(m): 6:41pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
If you meant it seriously, then I retract nothing. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by tony451: 6:55pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Actually just finished reading saro's autobiography that spans post-independence Nigeria and all through the war. The OP is actually a quote from a part of the book. I was hoping to start a topic on the said book but I haven't found the time to scan relevant sections so we can all read it. I don't know if anyone else has read it but if you do, you will see how his antipathy towards Ojukwu developed and how badly minorities have been treated over the years both in Nigeria and in Biafra. Personally, from what i've observed the majority ethnic groups in Nigeria have a lot to answer for. I'm a bit rushed for time but later today i'll come back and explain what i mean. Btw even though I'm yoruba i have no agenda here just a fascination with this country's history. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Dede1(m): 7:05pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
The pair of jason123 and alj harem is professed and illogical clown on this forum. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Obiagu1(m): 7:12pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: I, Obiagu1, the Lion Heart 1 of Igboland, I endorse this message. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by seanet02: 7:12pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Dede1:Dede1, You only like Lashing other tribes even when you see the brazen show of stvpidity by ezeuche, chino and co. This is something that makes Katsumoto and Dayokanu stands out as above you. Did you know the number of times Katsumoto have scolded me here, many times but as Mature and Intelligent as you Partiality is your proble. I still hold you in High esteem shao |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by EzeUche(m): 8:05pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Onlytruth: Hopefully you and ChinenyeN could defend my actions. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by seanet02: 8:17pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Keep giving yourself cheap scores |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by T9ksy(m): 8:32pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Onlytruth: |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Onlytruth(m): 9:00pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Posted by: T9ksy
I just remembered that this !d!0t is on my ignore list. mscheeeeeew! Steps over the piece of $hit. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Onlytruth(m): 9:13pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Posted by: EzeUche
Of course. Onye siri nwata ya jide nkapi, o ga enye ya miri o ga eji kwo aka. Every great nation needs your type. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by mafifle: 10:05pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
I now know why the igbos did not stop the dangling of Saro Wiwas abiku body by his nigerian collaborators. May be in his next life he will realise that Ojukwu mearnt well than Awo. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ektbear: 10:46pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Hehe. Jason123, I commend you for this post. An unfortunate thing about NL and Nigeria in general is that it is quite difficult for the voices of the Eastern minority groups to be heard. However, Ken Saro Wiwa has spoken, and spoken loudly. He who has ears, let him hear! |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by dempeople(m): 11:11pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Very interesting thread. I'm all eyes. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ChinenyeN(m): 11:26pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
hmm. . . Is it just me, or has anyone else taken note on what an Ogoni had to say about the Ijo? People are here worrying about Igbo. These rightfully positioned minorities did this to themselves. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Ibime(m): 11:32pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
vicenzo: Pure nonsense. The minorities of the Mid-western region had leaned on the Igbo for help to break away from Yoruba domination. . . and all that minorities in the former Eastern Region wanted was to break away from Igbo domination since 1930. No peoples in Nigeria are de-tribalised so every minority would always be oppressed by the majority. When my great uncle built the Rivers State College of Arts and Craft, he put an Igbo man called Mr Mbonu as a non-executive director on his board. He built his school on virgin land in D-line and sent papers to Enugu for the naming of the road. Guess what they called the road? Mbonu street. . . . after the non-executive director! This is just an example of the individual indignities minorities suffered which coalesced into a collective revulsion or "fear of Igbo domination." Our elders who grew up in the 1930s are not silly. They knew the reality on the ground, not this "inclusive Igbo" revisionism you guys are giving us now. No tribe in Nigeria, nay Africa, is not nepotistic. Please ask Ojukwu what deals he struck with the minorities before the war. The white man made "Eastern Region" and you suddenly think Eastern Region is your birthright to take as you see fit? Ijaws and co have been fighting against these white man contraptions called "Eastern Region" and "Nigeria" since the 1940s. If Ojukwu can ride roughshod over his fellow Igbo officers in the army, almost all of whom complain about his authoritarian style, what makes you think his "undiplomatic" approach would entice the minorities. . . when he tells them that things under Eastern region will be the same as in Nigeria (meanwhile Nigeria are offering Rivers State to the minorities)? As for the person who highlighted the names of divisional Governors in the old Eastern Region as "proof" of Federalism, such person's education was a waste. Is the Governor of Jos not a Jos man today? Is the local councillor of Wakirike Local Government Area not an Okrika man today? What does that have to do with Federalism? The arrogance of Ndigbo in political matters is their undoing. Ndigbo have never ruled anybody before the white man came, hence they lack experience in Governance and compromise. I dont blame them, its a steep learning curve. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Onlytruth(m): 11:41pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Posted by: Ibime
Actually you are right because I found out that because of that arrogance, we think we can save ourselves, talk less of minorities from the Nigerian dungeon politics. We should be working with Yorubas and Hausas to learn from them how not to be arrogant. We are learning now though, abeg no vex. Problem is that the resources are not waiting for anyone's "learning curve". It will soon deplete. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ektbear: 11:44pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Hehe. What KSW and Ibime are saying is both obvious to anyone who thinks about it and isn't clouded by personal interest. Why would anyone want to be ruled by other man, especially in a case in which most of the resources of the state are on his land? These Igbo attempts to shout down the minorities in their midst aren't going to work. May the minorities of the Eastern Region never be silenced. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by Onlytruth(m): 11:49pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
Posted by: ekt_bear
You are already ruling him in his land because your people own huge quantities of oilfields in his land. Even the oil companies are controlled by your people and their headquarters are in Lagos, not Abonema. The louder they shout, the more you smile to the bank. Gotta join you though. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ChinenyeN(m): 12:01am On Jul 21, 2011 |
I want these minorities to continue shouting their predicament to the world. |
Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by ektbear: 12:03am On Jul 21, 2011 |
The Yoruba are not the owner of the Anglo-Dutch oil company Shell (though obviously I wish this were otherwise ) Nobody forced Shell to locate their Nigerian headquarters in Lagos. Presumably they chose to do this of their own free will. It isn't as if Southern Nigeria is a huge piece of land, or it takes much time to travel by plane/copter/etc from Lagos to the ND. . . so there is no particular logistic reason why they would by force locate their headquarters there. Regarding "own huge quantities of oilfields in his land", for most of those blocks, the private sector guy is has a junior share relative to NNPC. NNPC is what represents the interest of the indigenes, and is what under ordinary circumstances should be controlled by them. Even if today NNPC were handed over to the indigenes of the land, they would still look for private sector partners (just as almost all national oil companies I know of on earth, including Petrobras, Saudi Aramco, etc do). Now, let's examine the issue of corruption with these indigenous oil companies. Take the recent Diezani Alison-Madueke/Seven Energy scandal. Is your Igbo brother Phillip Ihenacho not chairman of that company? Admittedly, there is a Yorubaman who is equally prominent in the firm. But your attempts to pretend to be innocent of the corruption in the Nigerian oil sector are at best laughable. |
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