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shymexx: I'll post a few trains stations for surface trains in the UK.

Rainham train station

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Rainham_%28Essex%29_station_westbound.JPG

Shymexx, It is very glaring that some people on this thread seem not know the difference between a railway stop and a terminal station. The structure photographed by the OP is a railway stop and not a station. The terminal station under construction is shown below and might be one of the best in the country when completed!

J.F. Kennedy was obviously a no-nonsense President. I had to watch this video like 5 times to understand his personality, His assassination was obviously a loss to the US at the time of history.

The last part of this wastage convo got me cracking...


McHugh: This is obviously a....
JFK: This is obviously a f**k up
McHugh: That's right
JFK: That's right!

Pathetic...very pathetic!

Chai...see how this President vex over wastage issues...

ladionline: Hello Tony, I know you will buy into macof theory of evolution. Well i dont because Darwinian theory is 'politico', 'precept of biology'. Just type in 'Darwin is a racist' to google and study the feedback. Imagine if his precept had been possible! I will be moaning in one portacabin now if not yet extinted. There is eternity of difference between 'science fantasy' and 'fantastic science'. [b]Those folks on the ijebu thread are die-hard science fantasists, rumbling endlessly in selfish prudence of their knowledge without truce forever. [/b]Fantastic science is ability to explain the obvious with minimal word and resource usage for maximal, durable and verifiable applications, with nothing to do with your biases. These punks are zealot and overtrained geeks obsessed with biological doctrines and academic 'dogma'. They are pathetically busy with the burden of proof.

Lol....I read that thread and was amazed at the unnecessary back-and-forth by the protagonists and antagonists of genetic scientific history. Sometimes, it is better to watch such discussions as a spectator just like the ancient Romans would do while watching gladiators fight at the arena.

The search engine has replaced their normal logo with one which has a procession of the Time Lords marching over the top of the letters Google to mark the shows 50th anniversary.

The second O has been transformed into a play button, which when pressed releases a dalek which zaps the word and begins the Doctor Who game, where users can choose which of the 11 Time Lords they want to be.

In the platform game the Doctor has to avoid his most famous enemy as he moves between worlds on the Tardis, and every time the player loses a life they regenerate as the next doctor.

The doodle, due grace every Google home page in the world, is the biggest the company has ever produced and is said to have been nicknamed the “Whodle” at the company.

Engineers at Google, who this summer added the Tardis to Google Street View, designed the game after a petition calling for the doodle to mark the occasion reached 4,000 signatures.

Read more at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/google-doodle/10467052/Doctor-Whos-50th-anniversary-celebrated-with-a-Google-Doodle.html

I think evolution happened after pangea. This is logical because pangea led to different climatic conditions as a result of continental shelves travelling away from Africa. This would explain the need for genetic re-programming for adaptability. But then, this would only be true if apes had spread out before pangea.

Metaphysical and Katsumoto, please can you guys should find a common ground? I am enjoying every bit of knowledge being shared currently and I would like us to engage ourselves constructively. I know there are different schools of thought on this issue but we should try to harmonise our views progressively. May God bless us all...

macof: U seem to be forcing it.

All I know is that language similarities exist between kemet and Yoruba. But the religious practices are very different

Yoruba don't even have a Sun God, the Sun is just Olodumare's ball of Ase which feeds the world.

If u still have more points I'll love to see

So, you believe all the names I listed above have no relevance to ancient kemetic sun god, HORUS? You and I both know that religious practices changes over time, this happened even in ancient Egypt itself. The Pharaohs in Kemetic period had supreme powers to determine the state religion, and this is often enforced everywhere. Infact, there are numerous cases of subjugation of gods over others depending on the number of influential followers they have in those days. My take is this, all those names I listed as being related to indigenous Yoruba worship are more than 90% related to Horus. The Horus worship was far the most influential cult in the whole of Nubia and Kemet (Misri). Let's look at these quotes:

"The use of his name was also widespread in personal names throughout Egyptian history, and Hor, as a personal name, survives into our modern era in a number of different forms.

The original form of Horus was probably that of a sky god, known as "lord of the sky". The Egyptian word " her" (hor, har), from which the god's name is derived means "the one on high", or "the distant one", probably in reference to the soaring flight of the hunting falcon, if not a reference to the solar aspect of the god.

Horus was apparently worshipped at some of Egypt's earliest shrines such as at Nekhen (Heirakonpolis), where he was assimilated with a number of other local falcon gods. In this capacity, Horus was the patron of the Nekhen monarchy that grew into the historical pharaonic state and hence, the first known national god.
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Here's the interesting one, the worship of Horus actually spanned over three thousand years (3000 years):

"However, one must remember that this god's worship spanned some three thousand years, during which time he was venerated throughout Egypt, as well as outside of Egypt."

Read more: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/horus.htm#ixzz2lNbMR400

I don't have time to cite books as I am very busy at the moment. As you can see, It is most likely that this cult existed and was very popular among the ancient Yoruba people. However, it's prominence must have diminished over years due to new religious ideas been proposed to replace the older religious settings. Might I add, that even the cult of Isis might have been carried into Yorubaland, I read somewhere that ISESE is the corruption of Isis.

So to your doubts, did the Yoruba forefathers ever worship the sun? Well, it is absolutely very possible as there are no written records dating back events before 1 AD to confirm our correctness. But even as recent as 1900's, we had rock worship, river worship (Osun river), tree worship; so why not sun worship as far back as 1 AD?

China, India ... which Asian country is next on the FG's borrowing adventure(s)? Malaysia, Indonesia and even Singapore might be the next on the list!

mandarin: I think using OYO Yoruba as the basis for history itself limits our scope. Having read all these posts, ,I found out that Eastern parts of Yoruba may be the eye opener because the ancient Ife kingdom may have lots in connection with those places more so many of those Hebrew or kemet words I have read before are much closer to their dialects than the Oyo - Yoruba.
Of importance to ur scholarstic knowlege are these ancient Kingdoms:
1. The Ooyelagbo or Agboniregun era
2. The Obatala , Oduduwa, Orisha ,Olokun,Oluweri etc era
3. The Ogun, Oranyan era
4. The ancient Ijebu kingdom
The ancient Ugbo Kingdom
5. The Ekiti euology that says omo owa(the child of owa), omo ekun(son of warrior)(see Sasha rap song).The question is who was that Owa?this is also the popular title of many Ekiti town
6. Adimula of Ife. was that the real name of King Oduduwa? if true that can make Oduduwa a title

I get your point here. I just thought about this too....many words from Eastern Yoruba axis that begins with 'U' were transcribed to 'I' in the Western and Central Yoruba axes. For example, Ule/Ile, Ufe/Ife, Ubo/Ibo e.t.c.

Could it be that the Yoruba at the Eastern Axis retained the original essence of Yoruba language? Were these people the most ancient? Did the earliest Yoruba ancestors spread out from this axis into Ife and Oyo? These questions require indepth studies because it appears not much was documented on the Eastern Yoruba peoples in research.

The robbery syndicate came all the way from Aba (or is it Abakaliki) to rob in Calabar...Chai, Interstate robbery squad

oluwacjay: U must be dreamin 2 tink yorubas ar d richest or contribute significantly 2 d economy of d country. If not 4 d ibos, lagos wld be dead. Do u knw ow much IGR is contributed by SE in lagos? Lagos has nuttin, yet its a force 2 be reckoned wit. Let all d ibos pull deir investments 4rm lagos, den u'll see meltdown in its economy.... Or all d invstmnts in dft part of d country.... I rememba readin an article dat disclosed ibo assests lost 2 crisi in d north 2 be in Trillions of naira & ow 9ja can't survive witout dem yet we no get oil.

Enough of these fictional postulations. We are discussing MMIA here....thanks

[quote author=Pink!]On a side note, I don't know why folks keep complaining about paying to use the trolley. All the airports I've used/passed through, I've always paid. How in the world would the trollies be maintained if there's no charge attached to it.
Let's be reasonable in our complaints pls.[/quote]Can you please list these airports for us? I am very much interested to know international airports that charge trolley rentage fees....thanks in anticipation

By the way, what exactly went wrong with the central cooling system of the MMIA? It used to function optimally well until the late 90's or early 2000's. Instead, I see split air-conditioning systems being mounted everywhere. This is so sickening, how can you use clusters of split air-conditioners to cool a large structure like the MMIA? Whichever engineering firm(s) gave them this advice and carried out the unethical contracts for split systems must be re.tarded. From my engineering knowledge, I know that split systems are almost useless in such structures because of the large differential height from the floor level to the roof level. You cannot easily cool such structures from the ground level, rather it should instead be cooled from the roof level via conventional cooling systems. This method quickly allows cool air from above to quickly displace the hot air below. That cooling system at MMIA must be fixed and restored ASAP!!!

That's the sickest airport I've ever seen so far while travelling around Africa. I've visited at least 6 airports in Zambia, South Africa and Mauritius, all around Africa. MMIA ranks the lowest of them all. Even the train stations in South Africa are better in architecture and maintenance than MMIA. Someone should please post the pics from the MMIA parkade, it's so disgusting with money brokers everywhere. Not to talk about the highway leading to the airport, which is embarassing for the so-called giant of Africa.

Really, I think our mentality and attitude as Nigerians needs to be wiped clean like an EEPROM, and then, reprogrammed. Remodelling is not what we need, but serious shake-down of the aviation sector.

[quote author=@levelszik]they were not given back their money in the bank.they were given back only £20,my father was a victim too.with all d thousands of pounds he had in d bank,he was given just £20,what a shame![/quote]Can you please tell us how the Biafran pounds were printed? Why was the Nigerian pound abolished and quickly replaced with the Naira? If you can explain this, you'll understand why refunding everybody was a difficult task to implement...

Front page, pls...What I find distasteful is the fact that our countrymen have an unusual global reputation for narcotics biz. I'm not sure how this problem can be solved though...

[quote author=some-girl]it's Cameroonians who are proto-bantu apparently, as they are a cross between bantu and West African groups.
Based on proximity, natives of Cross River and Benue should be proto-bantu or even full on bantu, which they aren't.
Efik/ Ibibio has no "ch" alphabet in their lingua which Igbo has.

All languages must have originated from the same source hence some similarities, but there are no glaring similarities between Igbo, Efik/ Ibibio languages and bantu.


moksofafrica and brainwave360, how do you personalize in your respective languages. How do you say: my house, for example?[/quote]Tell me, what does Njoku mean in Igbo language. Although, I still think the Igbos did absorb some Bantu words although not too glaring like their Cameroonian neighbours...

Apparently, The Zulu word, Ndlovu, for Elephant is a corruption of the original Bantu word, Njoku. Somebody must have been playing around with consonants in ancient times...interesting

ballabriggs: LMAO they score high in those tests because they get people to sit for them. However, it does not take away the fact that these people are learning the language as they understand how critical it is for their development.

I don't think this is the reason though. Chinese have a very extraordinary way of memorising things in general, I have met quite a number of them. They are generally drilled, like the Japanese, to memorise lots of things at a young age. I believe this is the main factor that has often helped them to pass these language exams. If you read this article, you'd discover that Chinese students generally don't study thoroughly the 'real' use of English Language, hence, they find it hard to grasp its full application.

ballabriggs: Bla bla bla, and the Germans, the Chinese and Japanese do not learn English. The problem is most of you have not left your villages and so you hardly know about global developments.

There is hardly any German from 50 years old downwards that does not know how to speak English. Visit Germany and listen to young Germans communicate in English. You know why? Because they understand how important the language is for their development and thus made it a part of the drive to achieve development.

Same with the Chinese that flock into English speaking countries to at least learn the basics of the language. I have met guys at the China Development Bank, they speak English!

So you can go ahead with your Ijaw language, take Edwin Clark, take Patience and Asari Dokubo and see how far it will take you in the global race for development.

Some ignorant f.ools here have no idea of what is going on globally. Chinese students are one of the highest scoring candidates of IELTS and TOEFL for at least four years now. Read this:

"Chinese students’ scores on TOEFL, IELTS and GRE rank tops in the world, but their language performance ability is not accordingly good. Doctor Lu Shuming, a teacher at City University of New York, revealed that even when Chinese students perform well on the GRE, after they come to the U.S., many show both low language proficiency and poor research ability. They need great efforts to catch up. “Why can’t they speak or write if they can score such high marks on TOEFL and GRE?” some American professors are asking. This has damaged the credibility of Chinese students and their test scores. As a result, in fact, some overseas schools single-out Chinese students and make comparisons within the group when they decide which students to admit. "

http://www.chinapictorial.com.cn/en/features/txt/2012-02/01/content_423001.htm

Some people from the East-side are just very impervious to research....

I hope this is not a political decoy? Fayose knows how to do these things...

Of a truth, if this woman gets the NGN 200,000 she so desires, I can bet bulk of it will be spent on the upkeep of her 5 kids. I'm not trying to be harsh, but she actually put the cart before the horse.

ifyalways: One Nigeria.

Believe it or not, once your voice or noise is noticed in Lagos, you are made for life. I'm sure she won't go back empty handed. More importantly, she'll get introduced to family planning.

Family planning? What kind of family will she plan again after having 5 kids at 21 years old? I thought family planning is meant to assist people to have the right orientation towards child bearing.

This woman bore 5 kids within a space of four years. Am I the only one seeing this as crazy? Why would she come to Lagos in the first place? i still don't understand...

This can only happen in the land of the Sons of Chukwu...ignorance at the highest level. I can imagine some peeps shouting that they are most civilised (and intelligent) tribe, wonders shall never end!

dayokanu: Oyo , Kwara and parts of Ogun and Osun are predominantly Moslem and have a lot of contact with Fulanis

People from Ondo, Ekiti and parts of Ogun(Egba) and Osun (Ife-Ijesha) might never have heard that word

I know it also because my grandparents lived in the North and typical Ogbomoso people always had contacts with Fulanis through trade

You are right, bro. I didn't even read this response before posting mine. I equally agree with you.

seunajia: Wow. I should come under your wing for some tutelage

Now,
Some things are deductible from all the above:

1. The Yorubas migrated from the "East" (Arabia, Sudan, Etophia)

2. The Yorubas had contact with "Arabs" or were some Arab tribe.

3. The migration did not take place all at once. The Ajase story tallies here and even the Ijebus'. They also met people (Aborigines)!

Okay, your summarised points seem fine except the bolded where u need to consider that they were at least three stages of language progression in Yorubaland.

Firstly, I believe the first template of Yoruba language was built on the ancient Nilotic language which was used pre-500 BC. I believe the Yorubas, Igbos, Igalas and perhaps Edo, spoke this language. How did I come to this conclusion? There's another Nilote group in Kenya called the LUO tribe that I believe broke up from this same group at around the same time with Yorubas and other groups. Another Kenyan group called LUHYA have a similar and suspected language form. You see, these groups are identified by the strong use of O- and A- in many of their words. I believe the Yorubas, Igbos and Igalas broke off at some point about 2500 years ago from the Lokoja confluence area. The Igbo groups must have broke off first and then, Yoruba and Igala. Now, all Nilotic language groups came from Sudan or Upper Egypt, near the present day Juba.

Secondly, the next influence came around 500 BC-200 BC. Like I earlier said, this group arrived with the Assyrians who settled all over Northern Nigeria. In the North, a popular figure called Bayajidda came at this time. He is believed to be an Assyrian prince who ran from away from the rampaging Babylonians who had destroyed their Capital in Nineveh (reconstructed as Ile-Ife?). Bayajidda must have escaped death by whiskers and decided to leave his territory in the middle-east. The Assyrians are believed to have disappeared into historal timeline. Many of them were slaughtered, a few taken as slaves and some ran away into Africa. The Babylonians changed the political configuration in the middle-east back then and their influence was not matched, until the time of Alexander the Great. I believe this era brought in a lot of Canaanites (and perhaps Hebrew) slaves who ran away with their Assyrian masters from Nineveh into West Africa. The Assyrians in Northern Nigeria called themselves Asshur, this is now corrupted to HAUSA today. In Yorubaland, the Canaanite migrants fused the existing culture with their religion. Hence, many religious words such were introduced around this era. These guys were not Arabs, pls take note!

The last language progression, I think occurred from 1 AD to 1000 AD. By then, the Yoruba language must have been established and people started spreading out into the hinterland. I also believe this was when Oduduwa arrived. A lot of the Islamic influence brought into the Yoruba language started from this period too. You'll notice that many of these said Arabic words are commonly used around the Oyo, Ikirun, Ejigbo and Ibadan axis. These areas were influenced by the Fulani colonisation to some extent.

Now, I must conclude that Yorubas, as with most WEST-AFRICAN groups, are not BANTUS. We were never BANTUOID and we share no similarities with the modern BANTUS, except that we are all Black Africans. But I believe the ancient Yoruba ancestors once interacted with the ancient Bantu ancestors while in Lower Egypt at a point in time in ancient history. I would like you to read this thread, you might get some information there https://www.nairaland.com/1092081/might-want-know-yorubas-part/2.

I would also like you to read the German Historian, Dierk Lange's recent paper on Yoruba's origin, http://dierklange.com/pdf/LOST_TRIBES_OF_ISRAEL.pdf
He has written a lot on the Canaanite connection in Yorubaland and has done some amazing research. You can check his other journals on www.dierklange.com. Cheers!

seunajia: That was what Samuel Johnson arrived at. There are other postulations:

P. Amanry Talbot in his well known work, The Peoples of Southern Nigeria, advanced the theory that the Yoruba probably introduced Bronze into modern Nigeria. They came in from the north-east and he gave the period as the beginning of the second millenium BCE.

According to Talbot, the Yoruba were followed by the Bariba, the Bussawa, Tapa (Nupe) and the Jukun among others. He said that their migration arose from events in Egypt such as the Nubian wars of about 1870 B.C or the conquest later of Egypt by the Hykos with their broad scimitars and Chariots drawn by horses.

Leo Froebinius, a German Explorer, writing in his Voice of Africa in 1913 propounded a still more interesting theory. He had visited the Yoruba country and had discovered the now famous heads and terra cottas at Ile-Ife. Obviously elated by his findings Froebinius declared that in YorubaLand he had re-discovered the lost Atlantis. The Yoruba terra cotta, aspects of Yoruba architecture and religion were so patently Etruscan that mere coincidence must be ruled out; the Yoruba civilization was Estruscan.

Denham Clapperton in his book "Narratives of Travels and Discoveries in Northern and Central Africa" (1822) translated and extracted from Sultan Bello of Sokoto caliphate's works on the History of the Sudan this account: "The inhabitants of this province, originated from the reminants of the children of Canaan who were of the tribe of Nimrod. The cause of their establishment in West Africa was, as it is stated, in consequence of their being driven by Ya-rooba, son of Khatan out of Arabia, in the western coast between Egypt and Abyssinia. From the spot they advanced into the interior of Africa where they fixed their residence. On their way they left in every place they stopped at, a tribe of their own people. Thus it is supposed that all the tribes of Sudan who inhabit the mountains are originated from them"

Clapperton wrote; Here is an important piece of traditional evidence. The link with modern Sudan indicates a fruitful field for intensive research; for anyone who has seen people in the southern parts of Sudan witb their facial marks and general physical features cannot fail to notice the similarities with the Yoruba.

It is known that the Arab tribe named Khananites of Southern Arabia had maintained trade relations with the Sudan in the pre-Islamic period; they had also formed a definite link between the Arabs and the Negro population of Abyssinia and Periodically invaded the Nile Valley. The Influx of the Arab tribes continued and with the rise of Islam they became conquerors of the Sudan; those who resisted the new faith were forced to flea. It is clear that Sultan Bello's account refers to the period when after the conquest of Syria, the Khalif El Aziz Abu Mansur (975-996 A.D.) Moved the Bani Solaym and bani Hilal to upper Egypt and settled them there.


I found this Wikipedia link which gives support to the Sultan Bello's claims en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasir

If the theory of migration is accepted, some important problems would arise. The first is one of the aborigines whom the Yoruba might have met, if any, on their arrival. Undoubtedly, one needs archaeological evidence to settle this problem. From the evidence available at present, the Yoruba would appear to have been the last Sudanic people to have migrated into their present areas. They were also the most virile. The Moremi legend presupposed that they at some stage encountered some opposition from the Igbo people and the detailed research work of Ishola Olomola on The Eastern Yoruba Country before Oduduwa is the right direction of the kind of intensive research that could shed more light on this subject.

Nice analysis. However, I still believe Yorubaland experienced two major migrations into her territory. The very first one happened around 500 BC. The Hyksos wars happened around 1800 BC to 1500 BC. The wars were responsible for the migration of Bantus and consequently, the spread of the Bantu language into central, East and Southern Africa. No research has shown that the Bantu migratory groups settled in Nigeria although it is generally agreed that they passed through Eastern Nigeria and Western Cameroun. Therefore, I very much doubt if the Hyksos war contributed to the language evolution in Yorubaland. I believe the first major group that migrated into Yorubaland first settled somewhere near Lokoja area around 500 BC, dominating the original inhabitants. They brought with them mainly religious worship and some form of rulership. The later migration happened between 1-1000 AD. This period, I believe, belongs to the Oduduwa dynasty. I may be wrong though but I believe at least two migrations occured.