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seunajia: I promised on another thread where PAGAN 9JA and ghostofsparta attacked me to read some books in my possession again and relay the origin of the Yorubas as historians have studied it.

Unfortunately, I have not had plenteous time to read and summarize the literary works.

I believe strongly that the issue in the thread at hand bothers mainly on the eastern origin of the Yorubas. The Mecca claim by some section of historians has been subject to so much contention that it become easy to say the Yorubas originated from the East. (some people would ask for my head here anyway *shrugs*)

I believe Negro_ntns has some knowledge we can use here.

This is from Prof. S.O Biobaku (Former VC Unilag)'s books: "A window on Nigeria" and "The origin of the Yoruba".

I've got a little problem with Prof. Biobaku's excerpt from Samuel Johnson. Firstly, who was Nimrod (also Lamurudu)? Nimrod as I know, lived at least over three thousand years (3000 BC) before the advent of Islam. So, how is it possible that Yorubas retained their language (and religion) for three thousand years? That theory is very flawed and inconsistent. The most likely theory of Yoruba origin timeline is as thus:

1. The NOK Culture era preceded the pre-500 BC times in Yoruba land. This era was also the era of the Nilotes, Khoisans and Ethiopians, the very first groups identified as the forerunners of the African race. The early Yoruba groups must have been migrants from Sudan. This group must have been an homogeneous group consisting of Yorubas, Igbos, Igala and perhaps, Edo. I suspect they are Nilotes who once lived along the great White Nile in modern day South Sudan. I suspect the group splintered at some time in this history timeline.

2. The post-500 BC (over 2500 yrs ago) era witnessed as influx of Assyrians, Canaanites and some Hebrews into West Africa. Many of these people were running away from the rampaging army of the Babylonians. Please, check the Hausa history (also Ashur), Kanemi (or Borno history) and Oyo Empire history. This subject has been thoroughly dissected by the German Historian on his research on the Yoruba, Hausa and Kanemi empires. As a matter of fact, many Hausa native names have Assyrian roots. Infact, I just discovered that Aminu was actually an ancient Assyrian King over 2500 yrs ago, check this:

" Aminu was the son of Ilu-kabkabu, Ila-kabkabi of Yazkur-el, Jazkur-ilu of Yakmeni, Jakmeni of Yakmesi, Jakmesi of Ilu-Mer, Ilu-Mer of Hayani, Hajanu of Samani,Samanu of Hale, Hale of Apiašal, Apiašal of Ušpia" - http://www.livius.org/k/kinglist/assyrian.html

if you check that website, you'll see a lot of names that resemble modern Hausa names. But they are all ancient Assyrian names.


3. Thirdly, the post-1 AD era had some more influx of people. This is when I suspect Oduduwa arrived Yorubaland. Most research points to the fact that Oduduwa met a civilisation on ground when he arrived Yorubaland.

****The above is my personal research and understanding. There are many consistent researchers on this subject on Nairaland. I would like Negrontns, amor4ce and Tony Spike to examine my postulation. I don't mind inputs from other contributors. Please, no abuses please. Thanks

Oscar's suspected murder case is a celebrated case here in SA. I hope the case is resolved on time. Meanwhile,......

irep my school...

FGC, Ikirun - Pro Unitate!
FUT, Akure - we too tech1

What about Gideon Akaluka's lynching? Has it been sorted out?

I've learnt so much from this thread. For many non-Yorubas here who do not understand Yoruba culture or religion, it might be difficult for you to understand some of the information here. Nobody is claiming Israel as far as I can see, the information being decoded here are pointers to the existence of ancient middle-eastern cultural residues (either Canaanite or Assyrian) in Yorubaland. I think the Akkadian/Sumerian cultures need to be studied especially this man called King Sargon the Great.

omenka: Title= unpardonable gbagaun!
How can a 'crash' be 'sabotaged'?
If somthing bad (as per the crash) is sabotaged, I guess the result would be somthing good.
Don't know if u get my logic.
But mehn, na wa for u oo..

Noted and corrected! Thanks

I have read the story of the yesterday's helicopter crash and it appears, at most, questionable to me. Bearing in mind the calibre of people involved, there is a high probability that the crash was sabotaged. Eye-witness accounts claimed the helicopter burst into flame mid-air before it crashed. Could it have been targeted at General Azazi (rtd) or Governor Yakowa? Something is surely amiss and fishy about it. I can bet official investigations will cover up the immediate and remote causes of the crash. As for me, I will leave my options open as to the planners and executors of this unfortunate event. Nairalanders, What are your opinions?

Two suspects, Ugochukwu Nwafor and Chidozie Okonkwo were recently arrested by law enforcement agents at the Murtala Muhammed International Airport in Lagos for attempting to smuggle 2.880 kg of a substance believed to be cocaine out of the country.

During the outward screening of the passengers on a British Airways flight to London, Nwafor and Okonkwo were found to have ingested 175 wraps of the hard drug.  

Confirming the arrest, the commander of the National Drug Law Emnforcement Agency at the MMI airport, Mr. Hamza Umar, said the suspects were caught after a positive signal was triggered by the scanning machines.

“The suspects tested positive to drug ingestion and were placed under observation. Nwafor ingested 73 wraps of cocaine weighing 1.395kg while Okonkwo ingested 102 wraps weighing 1.485kg. They were detected on the same flight,” Hamza said.

A dealer in phones at the Computer Village, in Ikeja, Nwafor,37, resides at Igando while Okonkwo  lives in East London. Having confessed their involvement, both of them are said to be cooperating with narcotic investigators.

“I used to be a successful businessman until I made a wrong investment three years ago in which I lost over N3.5m in China. As a result of the loss, I became indebted and was lured into drug trafficking by a friend,” Nwafor told CRIME DIGEST.

Okonkwo claimed to have obtained a Master’s degree in Innovative Management from the British Institute of Technology and E-Commerce in London. He said, “I was only trying to make ends meet. I live in East London where I had my post-graduate studies but joblessness turned me into another man. It was a tough decision for me to smuggle drugs but I really needed the £5000 I was offered. I feel bad that things have turned this way for me. It is like a dream"

For more information read http://www.punchng.com/feature/crime-digest/london-bound-suspects-caught-with-175-wraps-of-cocaine/

We are developing Lagos - at the speed of light.

by Comfort Oseghale

Four months after the murder of a post-graduate student of Nassarawa State University, Cynthia Osokogu by four men, five suspects have been arrested in Lagos for drugging and robbing commercial bus passengers at various points in the metropolis.

The suspects, Chibuike Mbakwe, Tochukwu Eze, Ifeanyi Okeke, Chidi Eze and Okechukwu Mbakwe are said to be members of a syndicate that specialises in robbing unsuspecting passengers in commercial buses by offering them sachet water laced with sedatives.

Last Tuesday, Chibuike, Eze and Okeke boarded a commercial bus in company with four others in the Ikeja area and headed for Yaba. Unknown to them, it was in the same bus that they robbed a sedated passenger the previous week.

Also, they were unaware that the driver of the vehicle had reported the incident to the Sabo Police Division and he had been advised to watch out for a future occurrence.

Little did this driver know that fate would bring the same group of robbers into his bus again.

CRIME DIGEST gathered that the leader of the gang, a 30-year-old suspect known simply as Chioma, is currently on the run. Usually, his method is well rehearsed. He would sit close to his victim and beckon on another member of the gang who pretends to hawk sachet water by the roadside.

Chioma would then purchase a sachet of water with N20 and ask for a balance of N10. When the ‘hawker’ hesitates, Chioma would buy another sachet and offer it to his victim on the pretext of not wanting to forfeit the balance.

Naturally unaware that it had been tampered with, the victim would accept the offer and drink the water. Everything happens within a few minutes.

As expected, after about 10 minutes or so, the victim becomes drowsy and eventually falls asleep. Everything of value in the possession of the victim is then stolen by Chioma who later alights from the bus before its final destination.

In an interview with CRIME DIGEST, the suspects said the effects of the sedatives usually wore off after three hours.

 Describing how he got involved with the gang, Chibuike said, “The leader of our group is Chioma. I met him in Alaba market in 2011. At the time, I was trading in phone accessories. After we became friends, he told me how he was able to rob people by sedating them. Eventually he convinced me to abandon my trade and join his gang.

“Chioma always picked his victims. I don’t know how he chooses them. All I did with the rest members of the gang was to gang around the bus park with him and board the same bus with him. This will enable the bus to fill up faster and our presence close to Chioma also provides cover for his activities.

“I have no idea how the sachet water is laced with sedatives. A full bag, except one sachet of water is usually laced with sedatives and packaged before it is brought to the park.”

Unfortunately, he was unable to identify what substance was mixed with the ‘pure’ water.

Okeke was identified as the ‘hawker’ in the gang. Only last year, he had returned to Lagos from his hometown in Anambra State

For more information read http://www.punchng.com/feature/crime-digest/bus-driver-conductor-squeal-on-suspected-robbers/

all4naija: Now, you have aired your views as a matured person.But, one thing the crimes coming out some South African cities are unmentionable!

Thank you

Thanks, bro, now we understand ourselves.

Well true, South Africa has got some scary crime shit but then, you would be surprised at many violent crimes that go unreported in Nigeria. Even the reported ones are scary too, take for example, the armed rampage at Auchi this week where two banks where robbed unrestricted and the nearest police station partially demolished. This explains why AK-47 is the choice arm of our police force, and not the standard service pistol used worldwide. This is quite sad!

all4naija: 1. I read the South African malls owners in Nigeria once said criminals in South Africa are deadly in comparison to Nigeria's.

2. The policing idea is exaggerated. There is a video showing when a person was murdered at the presence of cops in South Africa in this forum.

3. What makes you think they can logically resolve crimes better in SA than in Nigeria? Have the Marakina mine killers been brought to book since the incident happened?

4. You are alluding to the fact that because the country is more developed than Nigeria the situation would be better in combating crimes. Yet that country top the list of world highest crime countries since time immemorial.

5. Aren't soldier meant for condition where the national security is questionable? Maybe South Africa should do likewise to reduce the level of crime rate in that society.

6. Corruption is a crime in whatever level. What makes you think it is not worst in South Africa when blacks are perpetually relegated to the background in businesses and other sectors? That country has the highest inequality in the whole wide world,dude!

7. Come-on! Stop exhibiting some kind of condescending tone in your comments. The crime rate in South Africa has been of the highest in the world before Nigerians started visiting that country. Please, free me of these overstatements to make it looks as if Nigerians are responsible for the crimes in that society. You could have as well said they were responsible for the high HIV/AIDS epidemic cases. Free yourself of being servitude and shallow in your views. If Nigerians are responsible for the crimes in those areas you mentioned in your comments and on another statement you claimed they have high level of standard of Policing only speaks of absurdity of your held belief in this regard. You are just another silly Nigerian hating on his brothers. Another South African-azz worshipping Nigerian! Huh! Another thing is there are more Nigerians in States and UK than in South Africa. What have you to say about that in relation to crimes?

8. To be a proud Nigerian is not to be stupid and shallow-minded. But, to be prudent and state facts as they are.


Indeed, you are just being silly! I really find your comment distasteful in almost all ramifications.

You wrote a good counter-argument up there but concluded it in the usual Nairaland style, by ad-hominem attack. I won't bother to reply your name calling 'cos earlier on, I played the peacemaker.
Personally, I think I might be a better position to tell what obtains in SA and Nigeria. Having spent over 25+ years in Nigeria compared to your random visits, you have no right to counter what I wrote up there. I don't have time to start listing what obtains in our country. Let me tell you that here in Nigeria, I've experienced armed attacks lasting well over three hours, not once or twice and the police station is just nearby. Let me inform you that such form of police irresponsibility is what I call bad policing. I'll let you onto an obvious scenario, pray tell me, do you see policemen carrying AK-47s around where you reside? Most Nigerian policemen carry AK-47s as if the country is in a war-zone. Does that not tell you that the armed crimes in Nigeria are violent and barbaric?

Like I said and I'll repeat, South Africa and Nigeria both have criminals. Let me make it known to you today that most crimes in Nigeria are not reported to the Police Force. Perhaps, that's why we have lower crime statistics. For example, during my NYSC, I served in a village where it is forbidden to report crimes to the police. The villagers would rather sort out crime issues by using the shrine method.

By the way, I've stayed in SA for about 3 years now and I can make comparison. My comment is not meant to despise my country but to awaken our conscience as to how flawed our system is. Thanks.

Ajanlekoko: The crime rate in SA can be alarming tho. Joburg especially. Cape Town is relatively quiet.
One is always advised not to leave valuables in your hotel room, and not to put anything valuable in your check-in baggage when flying out of the country. Haven't had any unfortunate incidents though, but a colleague had her laptop and camera stolen from her hotel room, along with some cash.
Even in Naija, airline baggage is never tampered with these days.

I disagree with you, bro. A guy had his bagged ripped at MMIA just last month, about two wrist-watches went missing. The truth is that no country, either Nigeria or South Africa is safe from luggage tampering. I do not have the statistics of occurence, so I can't come to a conclusion on which country has the worse figure. I urge sweetcheck, playmode and all4naija to sheath their sword. The truth remains:

1. There is crime in both Nigeria and South Africa
2. South Africa has a better and effective policing than Nigeria
3. Crimes are most likely to be resolved faster and logically in South Africa
4. Crimes are more likely to be reported in South Africa than Nigeria because they trust their police service more, unlike in Nigeria.
5. Nigeria's army are perpetually on the streets quelling terrorism and crimes, while you rarely see soldiers on the streets of SA
6. South Africa has its corruption issues but not of the same grand scale when compared Nigeria's
7. Nigerians are responsible to a certain extent, for the increase in crime in certain parts of South Africa. If you are all in doubt, google the following locations: Sunnyside (Pretoria), Seapoint (Cape Town), Point or Ghandi area (Durban) and Sunnyside(Pretoria. The illegal and famous drug cartel businesses are run by our Naija people by recruiting young SA nationals into their organisation.
7. I am a Nigerian, I'm proud to be one but our people must change their ways. You don't have to run down another man's country because of your insatiable thirst for free money.

By the way, Cape Town is very beautiful. A lot of places around the Western Cape are beautiful with wonderful climate. I rest my case!

This is what we call MUTI. I hope Zuma's MUTI is strong enough to blind the eyes of the opposition in the country. He must have gotten a skilled SANGOMA to carry out this ritual, otherwise it amounts to waste of funds.

Some people are very sick. That's all I will say. I'm out...

-double post-

Violence everywhere...

By Suzan Edeh, Ndahi Marama & AbdulSalam Muhammad
Bauchi — Tragedy struck, yesterday morning, in Bauchi and Maiduguri when unidentified gunmen killed a Police Inspector attached to the Government House in Bauchi as well as a retired Pastor of COCIN Church in Maiduguri, Rev. Ilaisha Kabura.

Vanguard gathered that the late police inspector identified as Babangida Danbaba was trailed by his assailants on his way from the mosque along Nasarawa Road in the state capital after early morning prayer.

Some residents along Nasarawa Road confirmed to Vanguard that they heard gunshots, but were not sure exactly where the shots came from and who was the target.

Confirming the incident, the Bauchi State Commissioner of Police, Mohammed Ladan said a police inspector attached to the Government House was shot by unknown gunmen.

for more information, read http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/gunmen-kill-retired-pastor-policeman/

Interesting discussion...

This picture was taken sometime last weekend along a street located in Durban, South Africa. It is an official notification of an impending power outage on this particular street. Readers should note that about a week's notice is issued out to the residents ahead of the proposed power outage. This is the kind of corporate foresight supposed to be exhibited by own PHCN. Unfortunately, power outages are seen as a norm in Nigeria and PHCN doesn't give a damn about its responsibility.
I hope the private companies that have recently acquired the DISCOs will put up a good show of social responsibility and foresight.

*Ethekwini is the official name of the city of Durban, South Africa.

afam4eva: Majority of those that lost their lives on the Nigerian side were soldiers while on the Biafran side, they were women and children. I don't even think Nigeria lost up to 5000 people in that war.

But you do agree that the Nigerian side had losses, right? Why is there so much lousy propaganda on the fact that only Igbos lost souls to the ill-fated war? It is very sickening...

According to the Igbos, we lost 3 million souls to the ill-fated war and the Nigerian side lost ZERO soul. Isn't that hilarious? It's very sickening to read that only the Igbo side lost souls to that war, when infact the Nigerian side lost over 200,000 souls also. To the Igbos, the 200,000 casualties on the Nigerian side are mere chickens while their own losses are the only human beings lost to the war. Isn't that a case of selective amnesia?

I never knew these Biafran war arguments started long ago on Nairaland. This thread goes as far back as 2008....

The article is a must-read for all cyber Igbo and Yoruba warlords on Nairaland. It seems to me a very neutral piece with extrapolated opinions from different actors of the unfortunate civil war, as well, as their ignoble roles. Many of the Biafran war myths have been demystified in this brilliant piece. It is now left to the readers to make their opinions on the issues addressed by Odia Ofeimum.

@ OP, what about DJANGO UNCHAINED? I heard the movie will feature Leonardo Dicaprio, Jamie Foxx, Samuel L. Jackson and Kerry Washington. I think it should be on this list above.

docokwy: It is not just about PDP SW. Read where Tinubu who caused their marginalization in the first place was complaining.

You don't get the joke, Sir. Don't be surprised that many of the Yoruba leaders to meet with Jonathan are from the dwindling PDP "government of the centre" caucus. The contracts aren't coming as usual. As an observation, did you notice that violent political thuggery and opponent assassinations has reduced drastically in the South-West since PDP was ousted?

cogitoErgo: do we realy have universities in nigeria? what i see are just plenty of high schools calling themselves universities

Your comment is right on spot, sir.