HellVictorinho6:
Offering and tithe



Well,if everyone were rich,I wonder if this topic would have existed.

Everyone can never be rich, wise, great, beautiful, etc...!

If we didn't constantly and dubiously commercialize the pure Gospel of Christ, this topic would have been moot!

The truth is bitter, but must come to light.

Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.

So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.

If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.

Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.

If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free.

Criminals/pulpit bandits using religion to defraud gullible Nigerians

Angelfrost:
Op don't be confused or try to be smart by half...

Compulsion is not merely via physical means.

Emotional and psychological manipulation or coercion is a far more effective and worse form of compulsion... It is made worse when you take into consideration the severely weak minds among our people in this religious nation.

he doesnt know that

No one is forcing anyone.

ariesbull:
he doesnt know that

Leave him...

It took me years of study, mediation, and enlightenment to break out of the chains of inherited religion!

It's even laughable that many don't even know that their religion without real substance is an exercise in spiritual and moral futility.

Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.

So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.

If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.

Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.

If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free.

It shows you're not a regular attendee of church meetings.

By the time the embarrassment of not joining the bandwagon of givers long enough, you'll look for another to go to.

So u re saying pastors should be given money for healing Elisha rejected Naaman gift. Hw many pastors have discerning spirit to reject give thy shouldn't collect. When they children of God re spiritual there is no need to shout tithes, bcs love of God makes you to give to His servant without been told. Now Tithing many people believe is a false doctrine that is why there is attack on the pastors. Jesus christ didn't preach it, his disciples and Apostle didn't preach it. What thy say is remember the poor and widow , those who preach the Gospel and lastly be hospitable has a Christian. The worst of all his thy will tell their gullible fellow that God will reward you if you tithes.

yrhuhfy113:


I am ashamed Africans debate these topics... I really am shocked it is happening.

Pls those of us who have visited alfas and shrines(yes our ethnic traditional gods) know that you do not go empty handed you must drop something for the gods... so why the hate on pastors who collect tithe and offerings? It is a no-brainer.

QUESTION- will a man solve your LONG TERM problem and you would not THANK HIM WITH TANGIBLE THINGS?
See, pastors don't eat from tithe and offering, they eat from solving major problems. I have seen a man at the point of death go to one of these criticized pastors for healing, he got healed and his THANKS GIVING OFFERING was a NEW CHURCH BUILDING with MOBILE SECURITY FOR THE PASTOR WHO HEALED HIM..... Now yeye people will come and say PASTOR IS DRIVING BENZ, MEMBERS ARE TREKKING... if the members could solve the problems pastors are solving will they still be trekking? People just open their mouths....WAAAAAA and vomit venom.

Now for protection, there is no strong herbalist without protection, I do not mean charms, I mean physical protection..... Don't come and comment rubbish, I can mention names oh.... I have seen them and I know them. Now the bible.... JESUS was at risk daily of being arrested or killed.... so his disciples decided to arm themselves with swords and Jesus permitted them- Luke 22:38- scriptural proof....

So Pastors with body guard and bullet proof cars should not be a big deal.... when you genuinely HELP people to rise from ZERO TO GREATNESS... you will be hated, physically and spiritually.... so if you do not protect yourself, you will die cheap like a fool. God protects us by giving us WISDOM... and POWER and INSTRUCTIONS.

Your physical protection is your responsibility, when it is beyond you, GOD STEPS IN.... yes... there are laws to this thing. You can't be preaching health, telling people to take care of their health and you are careless with yours. It's the same thing. We are in a wicked world.... that kills its heros and calls good as evil and celebrates evil as good.

Any so called Man of God who is not hated in this world is actually FAKE. He whom the devil sponsors will not be hated by people.... simple. Many of our musicians are in cultts, and boldly do not deny it YET they are LOVED by everyone.... HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS ALL IN THE MATRIX....


The darkness in this world is soooo much, chai... we BLAME THE PRESIDENT yet it is our local people in small offices that are so corrupt, BUHARI has NEVER deliberately cheated anyone, he is just a figure head collecting all the blame, meanwhile it is HIDDEN PEOPLE AND WE THE PEOPLE OURSELVES that are fantastically corrupt.


If a man can solve my problems today, I would give him my first salary... no one cares the source of the power these days, as long as it works. Many pastors have abused power and made married women their "DAUGHTERS" and made them rebel against their lawful husbands.... if CAN, PFN and other bodies were functional, these pastors would be disciplined and sanctioned but sadly in NIGERIA, it is a FREELANCE STUFF to own a church... it is do as you please because they lie and say ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE. This is why I do not support any MAN OF GOD or become a fan of religion. Because the GREATEST MAN OF GOD is still a man and very subject to the same temptations as any other MAN.

HERBALISTS I PERSONALLY KNOW, SLEEP WITH THEIR FEMALE CLIENTS.... yet it does not enter news as scandals.... but once a pastor does, it becomes a big deal... Many alfas have done worse yet YOU DO NOT HEAR IT SPREAD LIKE THE PASTORS stories.... see, this is very indicative that it is not normal.


IN A BALANCED SOCIETY, any healer or herbalist or pastor will be exposed for scandals... BUT in africa because we fear the gods rather than GOD, we focus on castigating pastors... as if they too are above mistakes or are not human. If E PAIN YOU, TRY TO BE A PASTOR AND SEE IF ANYONE WILL BE HELPED BY YOU.

I believe alot in BALANCE, pls let's be guided. I do not believe in DADDY G.O or idol worship of any man... BUT I KNOW LIFE IS SPIRITUAL and when SPIRITS HELP A MAN there is a big difference and when people are HELPED they SHOW GRATITUDE IN MANY WAYS.

Basicend:
If you call urself a christian, why should it be hard for you to give a portion of ur fruits and income to your God?

Do u know how much worshippers of deities give to their gods for sacrifices everytime?

You are one of those who read your Bible upside down..see what the Bible says below in Deutronomy, and see who is supposed to be given your Tithes.

Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.

So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.

If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.

Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.

If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free.

You think it's only when you carry gun you can threaten people?

They use spiritual blackmail which is forcing. They promise you hell fire, poverty, misfortunes, sickness n disease if you don't part with your money.

Giving is both spiritual and natural law. It's like sowing a seed and waiting for an harvest...if you don't sow anything, don't expect any harvest.

paxonel:
But why do pastors quote Malachi to intimidate people into giving?

Most of the pastor's themselves are not givers.

HellVictorinho6:
Offering and tithe



Well,if everyone were rich,I wonder if this topic would have existed.

Everyone can't be rich, some will die poor... That's life's irony.

Abi1985:

Ask the pastor , I am not a pastor. When you go church tomorrow , ask a pastor and will give you your answers accordingly

Do they give a time for questions and answers on Sunday service?

Business business for pastors

HellVictorinho6:


Who is the white?

How is the world being forced to accept Jesus?


Did Jesus instruct anybody to impose on the world?

If you are one of those that believe Jesus is one represented in the picture below, I wish you good luck

Yahoo boys the carry guns? They just use sweet mouths to collect money from their victims, same with pastors.

Read and get a brain reset:

Mal.3 Verses 8 to 12

[8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
[9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
[10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
[11] And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
[12] And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.


Now tell us how that's not compulsory. That's just Bible quotes, imagine a pastor who will benefit jets, fantastic houses, cars etc from it explaining it to the flocks.

Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.

So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.

If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.

Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.

If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free.

Another brainwashed follower.

Yes it's not by force yet some churches would use some humiliating strategies to ensure you give like raise your offerings up and coming out to give. It's only living Faith that I love their method of giving.

Redeemed ministry they can come out 4- 5 times to give for different purposes.

Giving is good because churches also incur cost and needs money to thrive.

Some churches can indirectly force a person to give.. There's this one church I once went to and the pastor would sometimes choose the amount of money the church members are supposed to give and this wasn't just little money, but it was a lot of money.

The offering consisted of three categories.. The rich, the middle class, and the poor.

I was placed in the middle class, but I told them that I couldn't afford the amount of offering I was expected to give.. The pastor at first acted like he understood, but few days later when I was at home, he called me and told me of how the church needed the money and started using the Bible to guilt trip me.

I ended up giving the last money I had on me just so the pastor could let me be.

Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.

So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.

If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.

Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.

If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free.

Akanbimi:
May be so but psychologically intimidation and emotional blackmail is mostly employed in making members feel horrible if they dont give. Thats very unfailr and demonic.

This is why Jehovah's Witnesses are some of the best Christians in Nigeria.

Righthussle:



Hide your face in shame abeg. Pulpit bandit. Why use armed body guards and bulletproof cars when the white man's god you call " almighty " can protect you ?

Heaven is this , heaven is that, there are many mansions there, you'll enjoy everlasting life when you die yet you no wan die go enjoy the everlasting life. Unknown gunmen want to send you to that your beautiful heaven quick, you run go buy bulletproof car. Who you dey fool ? I no blame una. Soon everybody will know the truth that religion is built on lies. Religion is a scam.

I believe that the founding members of each religion especially Christianity were inspired of GOD in order to edify people spiritually, physically and otherwise but that purpose has being lost in the context of what people practice today called "Christian religion". I for one no longer identifiy with any religion, I only identify as a believer of the truth.

The "truth" the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of calvary; the remission of sins; salvation of mankind, eternal life, and the works of the holy spirit. Even more.

Abi1985:


My pastor do not use body guard and I know many pastors that do not. Actually most pastors do not use bodyguards, only a few. Same questions to you why do Messi or Ronaldo or VIP people use bodyguards? How many pastors you know in your area that use bodyguards? I rest my case

I tell you verily verify that any pastor who doesn’t use bulletproof cars or bodyguards has not arrived yet or doesn’t have the money to do so,examples ;Adeboye, Oyedepp, sulaiman etc

HellVictorinho6:


There's nothing like white man 's God anywhere.

That is what you think..
The White man brought their Christianity to you and that is a fact..

They are all aspiring to abegi.....

yrhuhfy113:


I am ashamed Africans debate these topics... I really am shocked it is happening.

Pls those of us who have visited alfas and shrines(yes our ethnic traditional gods) know that you do not go empty handed you must drop something for the gods... so why the hate on pastors who collect tithe and offerings? It is a no-brainer.

QUESTION- will a man solve your LONG TERM problem and you would not THANK HIM WITH TANGIBLE THINGS?
See, pastors don't eat from tithe and offering, they eat from solving major problems. I have seen a man at the point of death go to one of these criticized pastors for healing, he got healed and his THANKS GIVING OFFERING was a NEW CHURCH BUILDING with MOBILE SECURITY FOR THE PASTOR WHO HEALED HIM..... Now yeye people will come and say PASTOR IS DRIVING BENZ, MEMBERS ARE TREKKING... if the members could solve the problems pastors are solving will they still be trekking? People just open their mouths....WAAAAAA and vomit venom.

Now for protection, there is no strong herbalist without protection, I do not mean charms, I mean physical protection..... Don't come and comment rubbish, I can mention names oh.... I have seen them and I know them. Now the bible.... JESUS was at risk daily of being arrested or killed.... so his disciples decided to arm themselves with swords and Jesus permitted them- Luke 22:38- scriptural proof....

So Pastors with body guard and bullet proof cars should not be a big deal.... when you genuinely HELP people to rise from ZERO TO GREATNESS... you will be hated, physically and spiritually.... so if you do not protect yourself, you will die cheap like a fool. God protects us by giving us WISDOM... and POWER and INSTRUCTIONS.

Your physical protection is your responsibility, when it is beyond you, GOD STEPS IN.... yes... there are laws to this thing. You can't be preaching health, telling people to take care of their health and you are careless with yours. It's the same thing. We are in a wicked world.... that kills its heros and calls good as evil and celebrates evil as good.

Any so called Man of God who is not hated in this world is actually FAKE. He whom the devil sponsors will not be hated by people.... simple. Many of our musicians are in cultts, and boldly do not deny it YET they are LOVED by everyone.... HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS ALL IN THE MATRIX....


The darkness in this world is soooo much, chai... we BLAME THE PRESIDENT yet it is our local people in small offices that are so corrupt, BUHARI has NEVER deliberately cheated anyone, he is just a figure head collecting all the blame, meanwhile it is HIDDEN PEOPLE AND WE THE PEOPLE OURSELVES that are fantastically corrupt.


If a man can solve my problems today, I would give him my first salary... no one cares the source of the power these days, as long as it works. Many pastors have abused power and made married women their "DAUGHTERS" and made them rebel against their lawful husbands.... if CAN, PFN and other bodies were functional, these pastors would be disciplined and sanctioned but sadly in NIGERIA, it is a FREELANCE STUFF to own a church... it is do as you please because they lie and say ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE. This is why I do not support any MAN OF GOD or become a fan of religion. Because the GREATEST MAN OF GOD is still a man and very subject to the same temptations as any other MAN.

HERBALISTS I PERSONALLY KNOW, SLEEP WITH THEIR FEMALE CLIENTS.... yet it does not enter news as scandals.... but once a pastor does, it becomes a big deal... Many alfas have done worse yet YOU DO NOT HEAR IT SPREAD LIKE THE PASTORS stories.... see, this is very indicative that it is not normal.


IN A BALANCED SOCIETY, any healer or herbalist or pastor will be exposed for scandals... BUT in africa because we fear the gods rather than GOD, we focus on castigating pastors... as if they too are above mistakes or are not human. If E PAIN YOU, TRY TO BE A PASTOR AND SEE IF ANYONE WILL BE HELPED BY YOU.

I believe alot in BALANCE, pls let's be guided. I do not believe in DADDY G.O or idol worship of any man... BUT I KNOW LIFE IS SPIRITUAL and when SPIRITS HELP A MAN there is a big difference and when people are HELPED they SHOW GRATITUDE IN MANY WAYS.

So the Tithes and offerings are for the Pastor's and their families?
It would not have been a problem,if they didn't have to hide under a mountain of lies and deceit to extort it..

God is indeed wonderful...

Thank you, Almighty God...


❤❤❤❤

paxonel:
But why do pastors quote Malachi to intimidate people into giving?

Don't generalize your own feeling for everybody. That you feel intimidated doesn't make everyone intimidated.
Malachi is just the mind of God being related to his children and not a threat.

True

When it's on record that PA Adeboye said that who doesn't pay tithe will go to hell, so how do you expect a church goer to believe its not by force to pay tithe. It's emotional blackmail not persuasion if he says so to his congregation.

Akalia:
I believe that the founding members of each religion especially Christianity were inspired of GOD in order to edify people spiritually, physically and otherwise but that purpose has being lost in the context of what people practice today called "Christian religion". I for one no longer identifiy with any religion, I only identify as a believer of the truth.

The "truth" the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of calvary; the remission of sins; salvation of mankind, eternal life, and the works of the holy spirit. Even more.

The bolded are the lies Christainity is built on.