| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Theunbothered: 9:10am On Jan 08, 2023 |
yrhuhfy113:
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No other evidence needed to conclude religion is a mental condition |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by GODWINLOWSKI: 9:11am On Jan 08, 2023 |
yrhuhfy113:
I am ashamed Africans debate these topics... I really am shocked it is happening.
Pls those of us who have visited alfas and shrines(yes our ethnic traditional gods) know that you do not go empty handed you must drop something for the gods... so why the hate on pastors who collect tithe and offerings? It is a no-brainer.
QUESTION- will a man solve your LONG TERM problem and you would not THANK HIM WITH TANGIBLE THINGS?
See, pastors don't eat from tithe and offering, they eat from solving major problems. I have seen a man at the point of death go to one of these criticized pastors for healing, he got healed and his THANKS GIVING OFFERING was a NEW CHURCH BUILDING with MOBILE SECURITY FOR THE PASTOR WHO HEALED HIM..... Now yeye people will come and say PASTOR IS DRIVING BENZ, MEMBERS ARE TREKKING... if the members could solve the problems pastors are solving will they still be trekking? People just open their mouths....WAAAAAA and vomit venom.
Now for protection, there is no strong herbalist without protection, I do not mean charms, I mean physical protection..... Don't come and comment rubbish, I can mention names oh.... I have seen them and I know them. Now the bible.... JESUS was at risk daily of being arrested or killed.... so his disciples decided to arm themselves with swords and Jesus permitted them- Luke 22:38- scriptural proof....
So Pastors with body guard and bullet proof cars should not be a big deal.... when you genuinely HELP people to rise from ZERO TO GREATNESS... you will be hated, physically and spiritually.... so if you do not protect yourself, you will die cheap like a fool. God protects us by giving us WISDOM... and POWER and INSTRUCTIONS.
Your physical protection is your responsibility, when it is beyond you, GOD STEPS IN.... yes... there are laws to this thing. You can't be preaching health, telling people to take care of their health and you are careless with yours. It's the same thing. We are in a wicked world.... that kills its heros and calls good as evil and celebrates evil as good.
Any so called Man of God who is not hated in this world is actually FAKE. He whom the devil sponsors will not be hated by people.... simple. Many of our musicians are in cultts, and boldly do not deny it YET they are LOVED by everyone.... HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS ALL IN THE MATRIX....
The darkness in this world is soooo much, chai... we BLAME THE PRESIDENT yet it is our local people in small offices that are so corrupt, BUHARI has NEVER deliberately cheated anyone, he is just a figure head collecting all the blame, meanwhile it is HIDDEN PEOPLE AND WE THE PEOPLE OURSELVES that are fantastically corrupt.
If a man can solve my problems today, I would give him my first salary... no one cares the source of the power these days, as long as it works. Many pastors have abused power and made married women their "DAUGHTERS" and made them rebel against their lawful husbands.... if CAN, PFN and other bodies were functional, these pastors would be disciplined and sanctioned but sadly in NIGERIA, it is a FREELANCE STUFF to own a church... it is do as you please because they lie and say ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE. This is why I do not support any MAN OF GOD or become a fan of religion. Because the GREATEST MAN OF GOD is still a man and very subject to the same temptations as any other MAN.
HERBALISTS I PERSONALLY KNOW, SLEEP WITH THEIR FEMALE CLIENTS.... yet it does not enter news as scandals.... but once a pastor does, it becomes a big deal... Many alfas have done worse yet YOU DO NOT HEAR IT SPREAD LIKE THE PASTORS stories.... see, this is very indicative that it is not normal.
IN A BALANCED SOCIETY, any healer or herbalist or pastor will be exposed for scandals... BUT in africa because we fear the gods rather than GOD, we focus on castigating pastors... as if they too are above mistakes or are not human. If E PAIN YOU, TRY TO BE A PASTOR AND SEE IF ANYONE WILL BE HELPED BY YOU.
I believe alot in BALANCE, pls let's be guided. I do not believe in DADDY G.O or idol worship of any man... BUT I KNOW LIFE IS SPIRITUAL and when SPIRITS HELP A MAN there is a big difference and when people are HELPED they SHOW GRATITUDE IN MANY WAYS. Your shame dey shame me. In the first place, why will a Man of God collect gifts after carrying out healing miracles on someone. We claim to be Christians, Christlikes, how many gifts do Christ collect for all his miracles on earth? Elisha refused gifts from Laban, and his servant who went behind the prophet to collect part of the gift was struck with leprosy. Peter, Elijah, Paul e.t.c never receive any token for carrying out the Lords work. Oga, this is new year, and i can bodly say YOU DEY TALK RUBBISH 4 Likes |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Theunbothered: 9:11am On Jan 08, 2023 |
ariesbull:
God doesn't need our money but our praises and souls
God isn't a broke God So why do we have to pay 10% every month to a man who claims to speak for God? |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Basicend: 9:14am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Theunbothered:
Why does God need your money if he created everything? That why Christianity has become powerless. I am sure you are not a genuine born again. People like you will complain about holy living. . You will see reason to fornicate etc. That is why Christianity has become so powerless. God have mercy . 1 Like |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by HellVictorinho6(m): 9:14am On Jan 08, 2023 |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by adenine02: 9:15am On Jan 08, 2023 |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by MumEmdy(f): 9:15am On Jan 08, 2023 |
If we find it easy to give alms to the needy, why do we find it difficult to give offerings and tithe??
Na where person dey work na there e suppose chop.. The offering and Tithe issue is getting stale already 1 Like |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Akanbimi: 9:17am On Jan 08, 2023 |
May be so but psychologically intimidation and emotional blackmail is mostly employed in making members feel horrible if they dont give. Thats very unfailr and demonic. |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by BarrElChapo(m): 9:19am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.
So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.
If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.
Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.
If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free. Tell that those who tie whatever you receive in life to tithes and offerings especially that one who said he was sent by god to make people rich. |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Nolevel666: 9:23am On Jan 08, 2023 |
SenatePresdo:
The fear of Hell fire and misfortunes is the beginning of giving offerings and tithes.
I always ask these religious fools: If you were a “God” as powerful as being able to create this wonderful universe as powerful and vast as it is, would you even have the time to create one “hell fire” to roast minuscule beings called humans because they don’t obey your “commandments” like robots? They become silent. If i were a “God” and i do such a thing, it will mean i am either a fool with no other reasonable thing to use my power for OR i have an Ego problem. Only a childish “God” will even have time for humans |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Last355(m): 9:24am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.
So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.
If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.
Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.
If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free. Pastor pikin spotted...  2 Likes |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by amstamon: 9:24am On Jan 08, 2023 |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by HellVictorinho6(m): 9:25am On Jan 08, 2023 |
adenine02:
White imposed on the world � Who is the white? How is the world being forced to accept Jesus? Did Jesus instruct anybody to impose on the world? 1 Like |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by phemmyfour: 9:28am On Jan 08, 2023 |
paxonel:
But why do pastors quote Malachi to intimidate people into giving? It's because the sheepel didn't understand the bible 1 Like |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by SodiumValproate: 9:28am On Jan 08, 2023 |
paxonel:
But why do pastors quote Malachi to intimidate people into giving? 10:10 1 Like |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Sleekfingers: 9:29am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.
So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.
If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.
Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.
If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free. Another pulpit bandit spotted....... |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Geenosko: 9:34am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.
So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.
If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.
Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.
If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free. Every year, children of Belial are always swallowing panadol for headaches that no one has. So when I see complaints about giving in church, I just laugh. Give because you love God and want to support the work and it's entirely optional. |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Mrlola: 9:35am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.
So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.
If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.
Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.
If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free. While giving is an important part of our service to God, I find the above OP quite arrogant and insensitive. |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by chris51(f): 9:39am On Jan 08, 2023 |
paxonel:
But why do pastors quote Malachi to intimidate people into giving? Don't forget that Malachi is in the old testament and they use it to exploit people. I go with the New Testament and Christ. 1 Like |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by chris51(f): 9:39am On Jan 08, 2023 |
chris51:
Don't forget that Malachi is in the old testament and they use it to exploit people.
I go with the New Testament and Christ. |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Saidfx(m): 9:39am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.
So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.
If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.
Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.
If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free. It is not by force! However, it is mandatory to feed the poor. Be you christian, muslim or jew |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Nobody: 9:41am On Jan 08, 2023 |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by cybernaut(m): 9:42am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Keep deceiving yourself and enriching some criminals in white garment or suit . If you are poor and still patronizing these criminals in the name of white men god then you are useless and idiot.
My advise to the poor and needy use the little you donate to the church ,use that your token and learn a skill and set yourself free from poverty because these criminals that called themselves Reverens or pastors can never develop you but only interested to still from you.
Wake up and be free from mental slavery |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Bluntemperor: 9:44am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Abi1985:
Since the time I was born, I have never seen a pastor carry gun and force person to give offerings or tithe.
So why are churches getting bad rep? No be by force to give, if you do not want to give, then do not give. After all, na your own money, so it is up to you to give or not to give. If you feel pressure or you are reluctant to give, please do not give at all.
If they talk sow a seed of 10,0000 naira or 50 naira, and you do not have or you do not want to give, do not stress yourself at all. Give what you can give easily and cheerful and if you do not want to, then don't.
Pastor can use words to persuade someone to give. At the end of the day, it is up to individuals to decide to give or not. So leave the Pastors and let them be.
If Pastor fly private jet, well good for him. If he use body guards, good for him. The body guards are getting paid and the private jet is not free. Bro, don't try to Impress anybody with any portion of the Scriptures! Some says, Malachi na Old Testerment but they failed to tell you that even in the New Testament, - Heb2v17- talks of the HighPriest- things pertaining to God' -Heb4 v14-16 - Heb 7v2- God reminded the Christians,for it wouldn't be mentioned at all,if it's not important to God, having been expressly COMMANDED IN Malachi( 3v7-12)! Those who do it are blessed,so those who are not doing it, should leave the Christians doing it alone! 'Bring unto Me' - is a Command in Malachi book! So,don't let anyone fool you or derail your Christianity Journey! |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Angelfrost(m): 9:44am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Op don't be confused or try to be smart by half...
Compulsion is not merely via physical means.
Emotional and psychological manipulation or coercion is a far more effective and worse form of compulsion... It is made worse when you take into consideration the severely weak minds among our people in this religious nation. |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Sammy07: 9:50am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Opexzy:
This your ideology can be adapted for yahoo boys doing romance scam too, they didn't force their victims with guns and all, they only say a lot of sweet things and plenty of lies. Can we agree that they are not criminals too @Abi1985 true |
| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Tannhauser(m): 9:50am On Jan 08, 2023 |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Heroicvic(m): 9:51am On Jan 08, 2023 |
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| Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by ariesbull: 9:52am On Jan 08, 2023 |
Theunbothered:
So why do we have to pay 10% every month to a man who claims to speak for God? na levels naaaa....if you know you know God doesn't need our money to bless us... In short it is a insult to God for you to even think you will h�bribe him f♥���� |
