Apokalupsis:


Are you dense? ALMOST FREE? Where?

The statement shock us too, Sir

For every Dr that leaves there are at least 5 more unemployed to replace that person ask your hospital to recruit

The only overworked consultant of a specialist unit in a Government GH left and instead of finding ways for temporary employment the clowns in management closed down the unit.Cos HMB did not employ for them

Also ARD should take full responsibility for its role in perpetuating toxic work environment that makes no sane registrar decide to stay

If u are arguing about any of this then you don't know jack about naija public medical community

Kobonaire4:


Ah no, doctors will always be welcome when the Nigerian economy bounces back

Especially those doctors that have foreign skills and qualifications

Yes Sir. That's why we earlier stated that instead of grumbling about brain drain of doctors, we should be looking at ways to convert it to brain gain, so that Nigeria and Nigerians will still benefit.

Ladygbola:
I am a fresh graduate of medicine in 2019 but I said to myself the life I have watched my seniors live wouldn't be my portion. I love everything about Nigeria but I changed my mind when I knew everything wasn't just there. Our system operates in a way that we just want people to die for nothing. You don't work a Drs ass out and expect him to earn peanut at the end of the day. We all are so much interested in what this Dr who left the system but nobody is ready to ask what made the Dr Japa? I was once working in a tertiary hospital and what I saw there made me lose hope for a better Nigeria. A Dr would be placed on call for 31 days in a month everyday and this is something that is not obtainable anywhere in the world. We just keep quiet and do as if nothing is wrong with such kind of call setting. Hospital management board are not ready to employ enough hands and all we do is to blame the poor doctor who wants to survive as an ordinary citizen. The government says you are entitled to do 64 unit call but the person ends up doing 600 unit call. Nobody will see a means to be comfortable and decide to be patriotic when the sane government that rules you don't patronize the hospital you all are clamouring for doctors to stay behind. Spare me all this crap guys. You will definitely do the same thing if you guys where in the shoes of doctors. Don't come with emotional blackmail that the government used tax payers money because NURSES, LAWYERS, ENGINEERS, TEACHERS, AND POLITICAL SCIENTISTS are also leaving on their large numbers who same tax payers money was used to train them as well and any punishment that is metted on Drs must be across all fields because Drs are not the only people leaving in their large number. Life is all about competition and means of survival. Don't just come here and say trash to we Drs that have left the country because we left for our sanity. If you think Nigeria needs the help of Doctor's to stay it's not too late to pick jamb form and enter medicine alongside with your family members. Don't ever speak bad of any Nigerian doctor who have left the system because the country caused it.


We all should take a good look at this call rosters and see how these DOCTORS

Dr Akinwale,
Dr Balogun
Dr Edokwe
Dr Garanga
Dr Odoka

Are currently suffering for nothing doing 600 units call instead of 64 unit call and meaning they are to be a the hospital 247/31 days without being with their family. If this doesn't touch you as a Nigerian may evil befall you and your family.

are being suffered for nothing. Taking calls more than they ought not to have taken. They should have done 64 unit call but here they are taking 600units call for some peanut at the end. These Doctors will literally have no life of their own and they will be working under depression and duress. Don't speak ill of any Doctor who leaves the system.

Thank you Doc, for speaking the truth.

Porpulace:


If Nigerian doctors are the ones that got cheap education, can we list all the other Nigerian professionals who got expensive education?

Can a CORRUPT Nigeria avoid to pay 350k or more to every new Nigeria? NO!

Do we need more doctors in Nigeria? YES!

IF they want to learn here to go and practice abroad they should be charged more.

There's is no other profession in Nigeria with shortage unless they don't want to employ people.

The fair solution is :

If you want a subsidised education you should be ready to serve the country

If you don't want to serve the country you should be ready to pay to have the education, Datti's University in Abuja pays like 2-3M for their medicine - They should pay it too.

I will try my last shot at medicine this year(Direct entry), if I scale through school and finishes uni, I will leave this country immediately. This is for my own benefit but this doesn't benefit the country as a whole.

Bigseven:
How can I be a medical doctor at age 36 now. Is it worth it

Yes with will power, focus & determination. It will b easy sef for u to climb up the ladder even while practicing because most people in this generation lack these 3 vital qualities.

What they know is how to press phone for the wrong unimportant reasons.

Greenscientist:


Can a CORRUPT Nigeria avoid to pay 350k or more to every new Nigeria? NO!

Do we need more doctors in Nigeria? YES!

IF they want to learn here to go and practice abroad they should be charged more.

There's is no other profession in Nigeria with shortage unless they don't want to employ people.

The fair solution is :

If you want a subsidised education you should be ready to serve the country

If you don't want to serve the country you should be ready to pay to have the education, Datti's University in Abuja pays like 2-3M for their medicine - They should pay it too.

I will try my last shot at medicine this year(Direct entry), if I scale through school and finishes uni, I will leave this country immediately. This is for my own benefit but this doesn't benefit the country as a whole.

All the best Sir.

Venerable612:


True, and I quite agree with your analysis - but the same government ought to provide good benefits to the Doctors when they qualify.

It seems many of them, like Lawyers, struggle after graduating.

All professions except politics and corruption are now struggling under this regime

emapeteum:

The Drs are still better off than other professionals in Nigeria. These Drs migrating would end up regretting one day when the Nigerian economy bounces back. The migration of Drs to the west would get to its peak and the Drs would be paid peanuts with excess time at duty; coupled with litigation and high taxation.

na u wan bounce am back? U are too funny.

When it finally bounces back indeed, there will be enuf space for those currently practicing in the diaspora.

So there's no cause for alarm. Till then

Dynamicboss:
It's not doctors only. Tech experts are also leaving in drones. I wonder what will be left in Nigeria 5 years from now.

And BAT is busy ranting that he must go out there and grab the power by whatever hook or crook methods it will take.

About 5 years ago or even less, you had newly graduated doctors stay months or even up to one year, jumping from one hospital interview to the next, before getting a place to do their housemanship.

This was the same for resident doctors. A hospital could call for an interview. Thousands of doctors would apply. Some even charged 5-10k application fee, for an unemployed medical doctor to buy form.

At the end of the day, only 100 doctors or even less would be given appointment as residents. The rest would roam on to the next hospital that has an interview. Most hospitals employ every 2-3 years, meaning if you miss out that season, you have to wait till another 3 years or so.

Most of them work in private hospitals in the meantime, hoping to get government employment as soon as possible. Many private hospitals are exploitative and pay pittance.

We complained and cried about it, but it fell on deaf ears.

Now they have seen health systems in other countries that will employ them ASAP, why do we turn around and condemn them? Many of them wanted to work for the Nigerian government. Unfortunately, they were technically first rejected by their fatherland.



Some that had merit but no money to pay their way through failed to secure employment. Wouldn't you be frustrated too after spending 5-10 years post-NYSC trying to secure a residency training slot, to no avail?

We can no longer complain. We only watch the unfolding drama.

In the past one year or more, it's hard to count any federal teaching hospital that has organized a full scale interview for resident doctors. Most of their residents have gone. The tables have turned.

They now resort to posting adverts on different WhatsApp groups asking interested doctors to come and resume work immediately. Some even now accept doctors without Primaries to start first, and write the exam later.


Unfortunately, some lessons have still not been learnt.


Even now, as we speak, there are doctors looking for employment in government hospitals who have to settle the Admin staff with hundreds of thousands of Naira before they get employment. Yes, in 2022. Don't ask who shares the money? Corruption is basically everywhere.

We will not say further.

Bizibi:
it is annoying and painful....it is the first time I am seeing northerners Playing religion politics in federal level all because of the empty heads in aso villa.

Hahaha
U have no idea

They have always been that way till forever. They simply brought their traditions, cultural and religious way of life into Aso villa and substituted democratic governance with the way their Sarki and Emir used to rule them.

Porpulace:
About 5 years ago or even less, you had newly graduated doctors stay months or even up to one year, jumping from one hospital interview to the next, before getting a place to do their housemanship.

This was the same for resident doctors. A hospital could call for an interview. Thousands of doctors would apply. Some even charged 5-10k application fee. At the end of the day, only 100 doctors or even less would be given appointment as residents. The rest would roam on to the next hospital that has an interview. Most hospitals employ every 2-3 years, meaning if you miss out that season, you have to wait till another 3 years or so.

Most of them work in private hospitals in the meantime, hoping to get government employment as soon as possible. Many private hospitals are exploitative and pay pittance.

We complained and cried about it, but it fell on deaf ears.

Now they have seen health systems in other countries that will employ them ASAP, why do we turn around and condemn them? They were technically first rejected by their fatherland.

We can no longer complain. We only watch the unfolding drama.

In the past one year or more, it's hard to count any federal teaching hospital that has organized a full scale interview for resident doctors. Most of their residents have gone. The tables have turned.

They now resort to posting adverts on different WhatsApp groups asking interested doctors to come and resume work immediately. Some even now accept doctors without Primaries to start first, and write the exam later.


Unfortunately, some lessons have still not been learnt.


Even now, as we speak, there are doctors looking for employment in government hospitals who have to settle the Admin staff with hundreds of thousands of Naira before they get employment. Yes, in 2022.

We will not say further.

Hahaha

Clearly a result of too many bushmen in positions of authority.

yemmit90:
Although doctors are not well paid and their working condition cannot be compare with those in Europe and Ameica, I will suggest government should enact a law that will mandate any trained doctor within Nigeria educational system to practice for at least 10 years before he/she will be eligible to seek employment in another system or country. This is the best way to make them appreciate or useful to a system that subsidise their training for them. Government too should try as much as possible to increase doctors pays and improve their working condition.

Medicine science is an highly expensive department, if not that government subsidise it heavily, many of these doctors won't be able to pay the tuition fee, let alone other equipments needed for their practicals.

Virtually all graduates are underpaid in Nigeria, and alot of us are still coping one way or the other. Government is useless, but we should not allow our grievances to cause another grave problem in the future. If all competent doctors and nurses leaves, then what is the hope of a common man who need urgent medical attention. What is the usefulness of spending billions of tax payers money to train them and not useful to the same system?

Any nigerian graduate must practice in the country for at least 10 years before being allowed to seek employment elsewhere. Not only doctors.

These types of comments just shows how myopic we are in thinking. So you decide to tie the doctors down and other graduates who also had " "subsidised" education are free to go.

Well done sir.

Cc afrodoc. Just saw your comment. I shock pass you

Porpulace:


Yes Sir. That's why we earlier stated that instead of grumbling about brain drain of doctors, we should be looking at ways to convert it to brain gain, so that Nigeria and Nigerians will still benefit.

The only thing these leaders care about is how to service their genitals they don't give a damn about the you and I.

123readygo:
Hmmmmm
I was shocked when my classmate called me last year to inform me that he has moved to Saudi Arabia. This is a man who’s doing well in federal medical center Asaba and has been a doctor for two decades.
If someone like him can ‘japa’ according this young generation, I believe no doctor is spared

I know 3 doctors who worked at one FMC who've gone to Saudi Arabia and 2 others that left for the UK...all in the last year.

phineas:
For every Dr that leaves there are at least 5 more unemployed to replace that person ask your hospital to recruit

The only consultant in a Government GH left and instead of finding ways for temporary employment the clowns in management closed down the unit.Cos HMB did not employ for them

Also ARD should take full responsibility for its role in perpetuating toxic work environment that makes no sane registrar decide to stay

If u are arguing about any of this then you don't know jack about naija public medical community

That's very idiotic
That's how invalid (disabled in the brain) behaves

Aldol:
All these people japaing abroad should know that there will be a time when they will wish they are in Nigeria. All those countries they are running to are on self destruct. A virus may spill out ( resident evil comes to mind) , a nuclear war may happen etc. Corona epidemic is just a tip of the iceberg

If any of this happens you believe Nigeria is the best place to be ??

Loooool.

Rolings:

For your mind now you have said something reasonable.
That i support whatever party hasnt taken away my right to have an opinion
Just like you have a right to your opinion....this is democracy and on a public forum. Im not one of those you Obidense can intimidate....i shouldnt hold the same opinion with you.....you be igbo i be yoruba and the hatred is mutual

Can you stop this stupidity you refer as democracy already!

When your so called opinion is affecting other people's lives negatively, common sense should tell you that you are on the wrong path.

How do you guys ever learned to be this conscienceless and tag it "personal opinion?!"

You guys are just too irredeemable! But I trust Nigerian politicians to treat your dumbness accordingly!!

Rolings:
Ungrateful lots
Unpatriotic folks
They just game the Nigerian government.
They got cheap medical education and will rather use it for another country.....why didnt they go to study the medidcine in europe or america....they wont because they cant afford it.
The didnt complain about ill equiped medical schools and teaching hospitals while training only to jump on the next plane to countries where they couldnt afford to study Medicine.....
Before anyone says rubbish....... doctors that want to practice in USA should go there for their studies if they can afford it not take advantage of the subsidized medical education in Nigeria and thereafter run away......Government subsidized it so many people can be trained to be useful to the country.

sorry u couldn't make it to medical school

Buhari don't care he won't mind if every educated and skilled nigerian leave nigeria for his fulaniherdsmen to turn the whole nigeria into a vast grassl and for cow grazing.

VeeVeeMyLuv:

Yes with will power, focus & determination. It will b easy sef for u to climb up the ladder even while practicing because most people in this generation lack these 3 vital qualities.

What they know is how to press phone for the wrong unimportant reasons.

very well, thanks! just that Nigeria's system of education is sabotaging our dreams, before you know it you'd have spent 10years because of numerous reason, strike inclusive. May be overseas will be much better. Thank you for your sincere mindset.

Rolings:
Ungrateful lots
Unpatriotic folks
They just game the Nigerian government.
They got cheap medical education and will rather use it for another country.....why didnt they go to study the medidcine in europe or america....they wont because they cant afford it.
The didnt complain about ill equiped medical schools and teaching hospitals while training only to jump on the next plane to countries where they couldnt afford to study Medicine.....
Before anyone says rubbish....... doctors that want to practice in USA should go there for their studies if they can afford it not take advantage of the subsidized medical education in Nigeria and thereafter run away......Government subsidized it so many people can be trained to be useful to the country.

So u mean they should all remain here even if the govt can't provide them with the necessary equipments and salaries to work with?

APC haa finish this countryI speak the truthAPC haa finish this countryI speak the truth...

armadeo:




Any nigerian graduate must practice in the country for at least 10 years before being allowed to seek employment elsewhere. Not only doctors.

These types of comments just shows how myopic we are in thinking. So you decide to tie the doctors down and other graduates who also had " "subsidised" education are free to go.

Well done sir.

Cc afrodoc. Just saw your comment. I shock pass you

Nigerians deserve their leaders. Thank God for the internet/social media that has given everybody a voice and enables us to see how other Nigerians reason.

barbstee:
And many of them actually studied the course for almost free

Will they have been able to study medicine abroad with the same fees they used without scholarship?

But all they are after now is money, money and money. I'm not saying they shouldn't be well taken care of . But they should also remember that this same country made them who they are.

But an average Nigerian isn't patriotic

Oga, not only did i not study for almost free, I even paid higher fees than the average 4 year student self.

We had guaranteed accommodation, sure, but in return, we coughed out higher accommodation fee to the university. (Lol...the day one non-medical student found out how much I was paying in accommodation fee...e shock am!)

Also, we had to buy our textbooks, buy our equipment, buy stuff. (Most of the textbooks in the libraries were out of date, even then we managed use some of them, and anatomy for example never changes)

Federal Government in particular needs to let go of education at all levels. ALL federal universities should be handed over to the States where they are located. Prior to 1975, all universities were owned by the Regional governments. State government ownership would at least promote some COMPETITION to be the best. The same applies to airports and seaports too.

I would prefer that all the Universities are privatized but I know Nigerians generally have a socialist mindset so they can't tolerate that idea even if it would have the best long term outcome.

It's wrong for the Federal Government to subsidize the education of university graduates and then those graduates migrate to foreign countries and make use of their valuable skills in a way that robs Nigeria of the public benefit of the subsidy. The graduates are basically doing fraud on Nigeria. This is the exact same thing happening with fuel subsidies, the benefits go to the neighboring countries.

The worst part is that the most valuable degrees in federal universities mostly go to the children of the rich and well connected. Again, similar to fuel subsidy, most of the benefits go to the rich and powerful.

This is common sense and common sense isn't very popular in Nigeria, so the nonsense will continue.

planetx:
Any Nigerian doctor planning to practice in the US, should ask themselves if they are ready to start all over again at the age of 40 or 50. Because that is what the US will make you do start all over taking multiple difficult exams and applying for residency like a fresh 20 year old medical student, despite your qualifications and experience. So it is not as easy as threatening the government that 85% will leave.

Sir, I know at least 4 Nigerians in the USA who started medical school at ages 40 to 50 years old. In fact one of them was a UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR before starting medical school. There's a lady nurse right here with me in Raleigh NC whose children are in university. Guess what? She just secured admission to a USA medical school.

A medical degree in the USA is a ticket to mint money. It's even easier for someone who is ALREADY qualified as a medical doctor in Nigeria, your school fees are not an issue, the person basically got a degree for free in Nigeria that costs over $200K in the USA. Once they get to the USA and pass the exams, they start work as a resident earning over $50K, a salary they can't dream of in Nigeria.

Yes USA medical residency is tough, but for a Nigerian immigrant doctor it's definitely worth it.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
na u wan bounce am back? U are too funny.

When it finally bounces back indeed, there will be enuf space for those currently practicing in the diaspora.

So there's no cause for alarm. Till then

so you think the Nigerian economy will not bounce back?na so funny pass

okuta007:


let them leave, all this noise is so irritating to the eyes to read- as if leaving nigeria is a guarantee for success - let me tell you, 80% of them won’t even pass their certification exam in 10 years and will end up becoming biology avd physics teachers while trying each year to pass - i have seen many like that in California- dem think say with that their 11 BC medicine they studied in Nigerian Universities is enough to be recognized as a doctor in a place like USA? maybe in Malawi or Gabon - no developed society will recognize them as doctors when they step of the plane, except they go back to school spending years and pass the certification exams in those countries and after paper matter and unending bills and expense of living abroad drag them left and right ….. before they know what is happening - many will end up in professions far from medicine in the end -

Abroad is not Nigeria where you have the luxury to be a student - do nothing and be catered for as our parents did for us in Nigeria - here you work to pay bills as you go to school and only very few people will survive that lifestyle adjustment abroad because many will get frustrated and some may end up becoming mortuary attendant or package delivery agents just to pay the bills and eventually get tired of paying ihuge amount of money trying to get certified without success - the grass is always greener on the other side


in their eyes abroad is all milk and honey - they are all welcome to taste it, Amen

True talk, US and Canada will frustrate a foreign medical doctor that you might end up as uber driver.

planetx:
True talk, US and Canada will frustrate a foreign medical doctor that you might end up as uber driver.

Actually, in USA, no.

I know a Nigerian medical doctor, even graduated from medical school in Nigeria, found her way to USA AFTER NYSC, (Her big sister works there, non-medical carreeer.)....and is now basically a consultant/attending...(I also know another one, but she went to medical school in the USA.)

Also starting medical school late (I saw your early comment) is par the course in the USA. (i once met some americans a few years after i graduated...who were surprised that I was a doctor that young already. Had to explain to them the difference between med school USA and Nigeria ).

planetx:
True talk, US and Canada will frustrate a foreign medical doctor that you might end up as uber driver.

Yes indeed but the proper question is - what are the chances of not becoming a licensed and practicing doctor? That's the real question.

What is the employment rate of doctors in Nigeria? What do they earn? Why are Medical Consultants in Nigeria migrating even to Saudi Arabia? These are the germane questions, most of the migrants have done the calculations and they know what is best for them. Actions carry bigger weight than arguments.

And then again, being an uber driver or taxi or truck driver in the USA will likely generate a standard of living that is better than that of most doctors who've been practicing in Nigeria for less than 10 years. Especially for truck drivers, you can easily make $40 to 80K per year in the USA. The median FAMILY or HOUSEHOLD income in the USA is $65K. With that you can easily afford a good apartment with ALL basic amenities, something that junior doctors in Nigeria definitely can't always boast of.