Beaf:

This is foolish at best. Do you know the structure of the database? Do you know if it is distributed? You just wanna say something no matter how puerile to support a primitive argument.

As for states updating it. Do we now have state police, so why yarning dust?

Beaf:

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Lol! Mr intellectual Tarzan!

The constitution does not allow for the sort of proposals you are making, because we do not practise true federalism.

At the barest minimum, your proposal would require state police.
Nobody is going to wait for an unknown number of months or years while the NASS bickers about changes to be made, whereas, boko haram bombs are going off here and now. Also, nobody will base plans on laws that do not yet exist.

Princek12:

You are an . Do we need state police to register vehicles? . Dept. of motor vehicles can register cars.

You have agreed that the states already have the database into which motor vehicle information is entered. So why create another database consisting of entirely the same thing?

Quit the ad hominem attach and make a reasoned argument that challenges the veracity of mine. Mukaila.

Princek12:

You are an Ediot . Do we need state police to register vehicles? Ediot. Dept. of motor vehicles can register cars.

Beaf:

I have kept asking this simple question that you keep dodging.
You will find wisdom, if only you would take time to answer it. . .

Like I asked you previously. . . If you have a car, but wish to fly, do you "improve" your car or do you buy an aeroplane?
. . .I guess fools would say both move, so "improve" the car.

manny4life:


That we don't practice true federalism is because "all arms of govt" are clueless about their roles. The Nigerian constitution does not give give the FG powers to do this; all powers not delegated by the constitution to the FG is left to the states. My proposal? I did not know I had one. Although you don't need a state police IMO, Regardless, even if a state police isn't possible, a security agency can be used in lieu of a state police rather they have limited and restricted functions. If each state had a security service agency solely responsible for security, peace and freedom in states, I'm certain they will perform a lot better than their counterparts at the federal level.

Kobojunkie:

I don't think we can underestimate the power of a useful database in the fight against terrorism. Only I will not rush to conclude that this one will, considering this is about the umpteenth time this same federal government has announced yet another database scheme. A database is only as effective as the data it contains and creating a new database, from scratch every other year leaves one to question the sanity of those who keep coming up with these ideas.

I think you can definitely have a database of cars-- maybe some inventory of cars that have entered the country, etc. But I also believe we do/should have a database of majority of the humans in Nigeria to work with as well(INEC's list which ought to be a national list.
I would debate this one!

norrisman:

Beaf, your car and aeroplane analogy is just plain daft. Let me break it down for u. We already have an existing database of cars in Nigeria where data such as name, address, car registration, chasis number e.t.c is captured. Unless Retarden plans to ask existing car owners and new car buyers to provide addtional data such as fingerprints and retina scans, then whatever 'new' database that is created will be no better a tool to fight terrorism than the database that exists today. Like I said it will be a case of old wine in a new bottle.

Dauchman:

Yes we can never under estimate the usefulness of a good database but the problem with this one is, a good database for the wrong purpose. It is alright to have a database of  cars that we have in the country, it's done every where but they do not use it to fight terrorism but for things like checking who needs to be taxed, know the amount of private cars that run on the roads etc.

Dauchman:

What we really need like you have pointed out is a human database, that way you can monitor people closely. from such database you can tell if one is living above his means, you investigate further and find out what the source of his money is, etc.

Dauchman:

Like i stated earlier a vehicle database cannot be accurate because most people do not even drive cars that belong to them or they bought themselves.

Beaf:

What state would you trust to fish out boko haram? Remember that is the driver of the database initiative.

Beaf:

Can the existing database trace owners and operators within seconds from anywhere? If not, why did it take so long to identify the owner of the car used in the suicide bombing in seconds after the number plate was known?
Guy, you are plain daft and looking for excuses.

Dauchman:

Yes we can never under estimate the usefulness of a good database but the problem with this one is, a good database for the wrong purpose. It is alright to have a database of  cars that we have in the country, it's done every where but they do not use it to fight terrorism but for things like checking who needs to be taxed, know the amount of private cars that run on the roads etc.

What we really need like you have pointed out is a human database, that way you can monitor people closely. from such database you can tell if one is living above his means, you investigate further and find out what the source of his money is, etc.

Like i stated earlier a vehicle database cannot be accurate because most people do not even drive cars that belong to them or they bought themselves.

What part are you debating the smartness!!!!

manny4life:


I'm obviousy not in Nigeria and not in the position to tell you which state; however, the victimized states and even their origin will be a good place to start. The victim states are mostly northern, the moment the security agencies within those states begin to think like terrorist, that will be a beginning.


If the databse initiative is the driver for fishing out errorism, I laugh in Swahili. Remember I asked, when four people who have legit plate # and drivers license drive into a store and purchase fertilizers, does that raise a red flag? You cannot curb terrorism by plate numbers and license, but by actions of people.

manny4life:

Going by your logic, just because you identified the owner doesn't make him the terrorist, does it? There were several incompetency that could have played in that. If the FG had access to state agency database through a central core system, all the investigators need do is contact technical analysis, give them plate #, they will run the tags through the portal system, and voila with secs, there you have it. If they found the car owner, the what? Arrest him? His car could have been stolen, borrowed, or misplaced or anything could have happened. That don't make him the suspect.

norrisman:

@ beaf

A database cant trace nobody. If you are telling me it took weeks to find the registered owner of the car used in the bombing. That means the data required already exists but accessing it was the problem. Why then does Retardeen go and make an announcement like he is going to do something revolutionary bu saying he launched a new database. He would have been better of saying existing car registration databases will all be linked to make improve access. Using your own car analogy, what retardeen announced is like going to buy a new car just because you cant find the key to your 6 month old car.

Beaf:

So you hand security to the states ravaged by boko haram, when it is well known that the elites in those states are the ones using boko haram to fight the govt?
That wouldn't be too smart on the part of the FG.

Finding the car owner will bring the police closer to solving the crime in all situations. If the car was stolen, the owner is bound to know where it was stolen, perhaps even give a description; other clues might be found by police at the scene where the car was stolen etc.
If the car was borrowed, then we have our man!

manny4life:

Trust me, even federal agencies rely heavily on local enforcement to gather information. I was talking about the reliance aspect because you said "what state would you entrust to fish out Boko Haram"? It's only logical that Northern states are more likely to know who they are, how they act because the security agencies within these states with right tools and resources, can find them. I'm not saying the federal agency sits back, NO, what I'm saying is states agencies with proper tools and resources have more leeway, to gather information about their surroundings better than federal agents. Trust and believe, FBI depends on hundreds of police officers and other agencies to do their jobs so does DHS.

manny4life:

No finding the owner takes you one step backwards due to initiating contact. If the car was stolen, the owner might or not have know and might or not have reported it. Different states have different laws, some states require you report a stolen vehicle within 24hrs, some longer or even longer. Whatever the statues of limitations are by law, that's what the person will claim. The person can travel out of town claiming no knowledge, the owner can abandon his property. I mean, the thoughts are endless, all to no avail. That a car was borrowed, anything could have happened beyond the change of custody. Besides, if someone is to commit such a treasonous act, why will they borrow a car? For crying out loud, terrorist don't register cars, phones, don't have furniture in their apartments, and because it's heavily financed, registration is just a long process. Whenever they are ready, all they need do is steal legit license plates and NOT the car from someone else.

The govt has announced they are creating a database.
Most fools know the difference between a spreadsheet and a database. So why do ambiguities exist in your mind?

@ beaf, as usual you are busy defending GEJ even when u clearly know that he`s clueless and only reads whatever is put in front of him


Back to the issue of a database and a spreadsheet,

I was privy to the INEC db project and I can tell you that for 500 Million spent, it was a failure

a database for a general election that had to be done using laptop and scanners individually connected together and then taken to a collating centre, yet its still not on-line for people to check their details, Most state electoral records are still on one servers while each state has theirs,  to get it to Abuja they have to travel with Hard Drives all over the place to merge the db, what a pity

then you come on here and tell me another one is in the pipeline, to do what,

In developed countries, they have CCTV and other enablers to make the tracing of cars and solving of crime as easy and possible

When our Police Headquarters does not even have CCTV, nor can they identify any cars coming in and out of their premises,  LOL,  so LOL,

So tell me with this database, The policeman on the street will note the number of a car going @ say 30 miles an hour, radio back to his head quarters for them
to be on the look out for one particular car in the area. LOL


Ohhh OK every law enforcement officer will have a special device right, with all the details in there , you make me laugh ou so loud,

Whats he point of having the so called db if the retrival is not as instans as possible, MR BEAF, that knows all, tell me

OK you will give the Policemen Pen and Pencil to write these car numbers down and then they use their GSM if they have credits to call another check point for them to look out for these 20 cars, 

Please do me a favour, read up more on the pro`s and cons of a proper db and not some simple column spreadsheets we are calling a database in Nigeria


I have been within the system and know how much we call mediocre old technology as new technology.

I have pulled out of so many consultancy deals cos I just dont do half baked jobs like we always do in Nigeria,

Even Corporate Affairs Commission which holds records of all companies registered in Nigeria, still dont have proper collated data after many years of having a stab at it,


Only in Nigeria do we call dis jointed data a database and sell it to the people as something big,
@Beaf, just keep licking GEJ`s back side oooooo

Back to the issue of Boko Haram , so u trust the Federal Government that is doing deals but outright and behind the scene to release members of the sect

Have you not bn reading how the SSS have admitted to the US that they agreed to release members of Boko to their respective Northern Emirs


The same FG that Boko has struck under their nose twice now with no movement, and have no knowledge on how to resolve the issue,

Do me a favour @ beaf take off the blindfold u have blocking yoour vision,

GEJ is out of debt, he really is,

The govt has announced they are creating a database.
Most fools know the difference between a spreadsheet and a database. So why do ambiguities exist in your mind?

emmatok:

What is  all these notice about vehicle database.

The important thing is to link every drivers license to his/her  Vehicle/s  plate number(which is registered with engine and chases numbers).

So that the police, road safety e.t.c can easily identify a vehicle owner by looking at the plate number.

The current database does not  link drivers licence to his/her plate numbers.

In-fact most people without vehicles have drivers licence.

While some vehicle owners don't have drivers licence.

But the problem with Nigeria is enforcement and corruption.