jaephoenix:


Every physician conforms his or her practice around the existing laws of the country. If my country allows abortion and someone comes to me to do it, I can defer to another. I'm not under any obligation to do it. And yes, I am moral. And also no, morality doesn't depend on your god or religion

How can an atheist be moral? You need to be consistent with your worldview.

OLAADEGBU:


How can an atheist be moral? You need to be consistent with your worldview.

You really can't use your brain. Ok let's forget about myself.
Do you know the most religious countries are the most immoral? All kinds of crimes are committed. Netherlands have more atheists than Nigeria, yet their prisons are almost empty. You can be a millionaire and live in a house without fence. Can you try that in Nigeria, a supposedly religious country?
Morality absolutely has nothing to do with religion

Brainwashed!



— with Dan Lietha - Cartoonist/Illustrator.

jaephoenix:


You really can't use your brain. Ok let's forget about myself.

Do you know the most religious countries are the most immoral? All kinds of crimes are committed. Netherlands have more atheists than Nigeria, yet their prisons are almost empty. You can be a millionaire and live in a house without fence. Can you try that in Nigeria, a supposedly religious country?
Morality absolutely has nothing to do with religion

You that can use your brain, try being logical for once even if your worldview has no framework for it.

How do you account for the existence and nature of the laws of morality? Laws of morality only make sense in the Christian worldview where God created human beings in His own image and therefore has the right to set the rules for our behaviour.

OLAADEGBU:


You that can use your brain, try being logical for once even if your worldview has no framework for it.

How do you account for the existence and nature of the laws of morality? Laws of morality only make sense in the Christian worldview where God created human beings in His own image and therefore has the right to set the rules for our behaviour.

Are you aware Yahweh said anyone that worked on sabbath should be stoned? Or if you have your foreskin, you're stoned too. Imagine if these were put into moral codes, how many people would survive?
Research on code of Hammurabi, that was the first law to humans about morality. The Bible wasn't the first code on morality

jaephoenix:


Are you aware Yahweh said anyone that worked on sabbath should be stoned? Or if you have your foreskin, you're stoned too. Imagine if these were put into moral codes, how many people would survive?
Research on code of Hammurabi, that was the first law to humans about morality. The Bible wasn't the first code on morality

What did Jesus, the Law giver, say about those who "broke" the sabbath law? I can see that you conveniently evaded my penultimate question: 'How do you account for the existence of the laws of morality, how does it fit into your atheist evolution worldview?'

Start your journey by reciting this Safar ki Dua.

OLAADEGBU:


What did Jesus, the Law giver, say about those who "broke" the sabbath law? I can see that you conveniently evaded my penultimate question: 'How do you account for the existence of the laws of morality, how does it fit into your atheist evolution worldview?'

1. So are you taking Jesus's view over his father, Yahweh?
2. I hope you know atheists are humanists. We
interract and help people irrespective of race, religion, creed, disability, sexual orientation etc.
I have also told you moral laws existed way before the bible from the Code of Hammurabi.
I don't know what you mean by 'atheist evolution worldview'. Maybe you can explain further

OLAADEGBU:
Which Came First?

With Ray Comfort

The blood comes first(from the mother), then non-cardiac blood vessels form with the subsequent formation of tissues. When all the tissues are forming, there is the formation of two endocardial tubes which merge to form the tubular heart, also called the primitive heart tube. The heart is the first functional organ in vertebrate embryos.

It's illogical believing in an evil, immature, bloodthirsty, heartless, wicked, vindictive, imaginary, non-existent being.

The Great Flood

One of the great mysteries and wonders of human history is how settlers reached the New World across vast oceans. You can read the full article at https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/coming-america-boat

jaephoenix:


1. So are you taking Jesus's view over his father, Yahweh?

How does Jesus' view differ from His Father's?

jaephoenix:


2. I hope you know atheists are humanists. We
interract and help people irrespective of race, religion, creed, disability, sexual orientation etc.

Why would it be wrong to murder an innocent person if it would make everyone else a lot happier?

jaephoenix:


I have also told you moral laws existed way before the bible from the Code of Hammurabi.
I don't know what you mean by 'atheist evolution worldview'. Maybe you can explain further

Since in your atheist evolutionist worldview you believe you are just animals or chemical accidents, why should you feel compelled to behave in a particular fashion?

OLAADEGBU... Going through this threas, and a couple of your other threads, you seem to have some of the worst arguments, both for A god, and for YOUR god.. no offense.

Wilgrea7:


OLAADEGBU... Going through this threas, and a couple of your other threads, you seem to have some of the worst arguments, both for A god, and for YOUR god.. no offense.

What part of the OP are you referring to?

OLAADEGBU:

What part of the OP are you referring to?

Tiger Nuts are small root vegetables that comprised 80% of our Paleo ancestors' diet around 2 million years ago.

Drinking my tigernuts

Maynman:


Tiger Nuts are small root vegetables that comprised 80% of our Paleo ancestors' diet around 2 million years ago.

Drinking my tigernuts

What part of the OP is that?

1, THAT AZIKWE DID NOT BECOME GOVERNOR OF OYO STATE. HONOUR TO AWOLOWO AND GLORY TO GOD.

2, THAT EKWEREMADU GOT 10 YEARS JAIL SENTENCE FOR HIS CRIMINAL OFFENCE. HONOUR TO BRITISH JUSTICE. GLORY TO GOD.

3, GOD IS GRAND ORDER DOMINION.

4, SATAN IS GOD'S QUALITY CONTROL DIRECTOR, AND CHRIST, THE CROWNED PRINCE OF NUMBER THREE ITEM ABOVE, IS COMING BACK WITH HIS SCEPTRE IN HIS HAND AND THE TWO NEW JERUSALEMS. JERUSALEM MEANS THE CITY OF GOD.

5, HAVE YOU EVER HAD A MEANINGFUL DREAM? PRAY FOR ITS INTERPRETATION. FOLLOW IT FAITHFULLY AND YOU WILL REALISE THAT THERE'S GOD.

FROM ORUNTO27 ORISAORUNTOSPEAKS.

FATHER FORGIVE US ALL FOR WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.

YOU AND I HAVE SHADOWS THAT ARE ALWAYS PRESENT WITH US. THE SHADOWS ARE SPIRITS.
THE UNIVERSE, LIKE A BALL, UNDERNEATH THE FEET OF THE SUPREME SPIRIT, HAS SHADOW.
ALL SHADOWS ARE CREATIVE SIGNALS OF THE SUPREME SPIRIT
AND BEFORE THE UNIVERSE AND ITS ACCOMPANYING SHADOW, THERE'S THE SUPREME SPIRIT.
THE SPIRITS ARE OUR FEELINGS, THINKINGS AND REASONINGS TO ACT, INTERACT AND MOVE IN ANY SITUATION. THE SUPREME SPIRIT IS IN CONTROL, SO STOP THINKING LIKE IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT BEFORE YOU.
THERE'S GOD AND HE IS THE SUPREME SPIRIT THAT MOVES THE UNIVERSE SPIRIT SHADOW UNDERNEATH HIS FEET 24/7.

FROM ORUNTO27 ORISAORUNTOSPEAKS.

THE KEY TO LIFE IS PRAY PRAY AND PRAY LIKE IN LOVE YOURSELVES AS YOURSELVES. THAT IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE TO SECURITY SAFETY AND SUCCESS.

OLAADEGBU:


What part of the OP is that?

The part that says you are a yahweh worshipper

OLAADEGBU:


What part of the OP are you referring to?

Not just the OP... The multitude of your 'God pictures', and lots of your other assertions here and in other threads all echo multiple logical fallacies.

I would've loved to open a thread debunking every one of them, but i rarely have the time these days.

Wilgrea7:


Not just the OP... The multitude of your 'God pictures', and lots of your other assertions here and in other threads all echo multiple logical fallacies.

I would've loved to open a thread debunking every one of them, but i rarely have the time these days.

Maybe you want to help jaephoenix out to answer the question he seems to be struggling to answer:

How do you account for the laws of morality in your evolution worldview?

OLAADEGBU:


Maybe you want to help jaephoenix out to answer the question he seems to be struggling to answer:

How do you account for the laws of morality in your evolution worldview?

The only reason you’re not a Murderer is because you read it in a book?

Maynman:


The only reason you’re not a Murderer is because you read it in a book?

Why are you not a murderer if you're not already one?

OLAADEGBU:


Why are you not a murderer if you're not already one?

I’m not a Murderer like your creator.

Maynman:


I’m not a Murderer like your creator.

Are you pro-choice or pro-life?

OLAADEGBU:


Maybe you want to help jaephoenix out to answer the question he seems to be struggling to answer:

How do you account for the laws of morality in your evolution worldview?

I assume you're referring to this post

OLAADEGBU:


You that can use your brain, try being logical for once even if your worldview has no framework for it.

How do you account for the existence and nature of the laws of morality? Laws of morality only make sense in the Christian worldview where God created human beings in His own image and therefore has the right to set the rules for our behaviour.

Firstly, immediately wrong at the bolded. Other religions, even ones like buddhism that lack the concept of a "God", still contain the concept of morality.

Also, asking me to explain morality in my evolution worldview is simply a non sequitur. Evolution mainly talks about how organisms changed over time in response to their environment. It's job is not to explain morality.

Morality itself is a really complex subject, and one that doesn't seem to get easier even if you presuppose the existence of a god. It was one of the things I've mentioned here before.

The existence of a god does not solve the moral dilemma

Also, I feel like it's important to mention, that evolution is concerned with how already living organisms change through generations, and over time. It makes no claims about how life itself, came to be.

OLAADEGBU:


Are you pro-choice or pro-life?

Is your god omniscience?

Does a mosquito have a life?

Wilgrea7:


I assume you're referring to this post

Yes.

Wilgrea7:


Firstly, immediately wrong at the bolded. Other religions, even ones like buddhism that lack the concept of a "God", still contain the concept of morality.

That will be morality that is subjective and arbitrary. I am referring to absolute objective morality here when it concerns the Creator God.

Wilgrea7:


Also, asking me to explain morality in my evolution worldview is simply a non sequitur. Evolution mainly talks about how organisms changed over time in response to their environment. It's job is not to explain morality.

Knock it off! Without a cause there can be no big bang explosion, evolution of stars or life. Unless you are saying that your evolution worldview doesn't have a beginning. In the Christian worldview we have a cause for the universe and conversely morality which you atheist have no basis to which you practice your so called morality.

Wilgrea7:


Morality itself is a really complex subject, and one that doesn't seem to get easier even if you presuppose the existence of a god. It was one of the things I've mentioned here before.

The existence of a god does not solve the moral dilemma

It is only complex to you because you refuse to smell the coffee. I don't even need to presuppose the existence of the Creator God before I scientifically arrive at the cause of the universe which will only confirm what the Bible says.

Wilgrea7:


Also, I feel like it's important to mention, that evolution is concerned with how already living organisms change through generations, and over time. It makes no claims about how life itself, came to be.

Don't try to brush off the question with this assertion of yours. The existence of the universe itself can be scientifically proven by 3 possible responses.

Hello again

OLAADEGBU:


Yes.

That will be morality that is subjective and arbitrary. I am referring to absolute objective morality here when it concerns the Creator God.

Like I said earlier, morality is a very complex subject. And I'm not saying this to sound dodgy. It really is a complex thing.

Coming to subjective and objective morality. You're still yet to prove the existence of objective moral laws. To do this, you will need to first prove the existence of your specific deity, and then prove that said deity did in fact create the world, before making a case for any sort of objective moral laws from it.

Knock it off! Without a cause there can be no big bang explosion, evolution of stars or life. Unless you are saying that your evolution worldview doesn't have a beginning. In the Christian worldview we have a cause for the universe and conversely morality which you atheist have no basis to which you practice your so called morality.

I never said there wasn't a cause. I don't know where you got that idea from. I feel like I've said this before. Evolution describes how organisms change over time in response to their environment. It makes no claims about the origin of life.

Evolution describes a process, not an origin. I hope I've made it clear to you now.

It is only complex to you because you refuse to smell the coffee. I don't even need to presuppose the existence of the Creator God before I scientifically arrive at the cause of the universe which will only confirm what the Bible says.

Pray tell, how did you arrive at the cause of the universe, and how does it confirm what the "bible" says? And what does that phrase even mean?

Don't try to brush off the question with this assertion of yours. The existence of the universe itself can be scientifically proven by 3 possible responses.

I'm confused. Since when did we start doubting the existence of the universe. I think I know what's going on here.

You seem to have the idea that there's this conflict between the theory of evolution, and the idea of a creator. I don't necessarily see this conflict. Evolution doesn't necessarily negate a creator (although it doesn't affirm it either). What evolution does negate, is the idea that creation happened as described in the biblical narratives.

Unfortunately, the evidence seems to point in favor of the former, as opposed to the latter. The biblical creation narrative isn't the only way life could have formed. I know it's a tough pill for you to swallow, but it is the reality.

A creator/creators, if it/they exist, could have chosen for life to develop through a myriad of ways, of which evolution happens to be one of them, and the one which we have observed taking place.

The choices and pathways a creator/creators could take is not exclusive to christianity. I feel like this should be obvious by now.