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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Righteousness2(m): 4:47pm On May 10, 2023
annyplenty:


Jesus had not come at the time of the rich man. He came at the time of Moses

JESUS is GOD. He has been since the beginning on the earth and has always made available the way and means to obtain righteousness in him.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 4:58pm On May 10, 2023
The first prophecy in d bible, Gen.3:15, relates to all d other books of d bible. Just as d spine of a printed book binds all d pages together, d words recorded at Genesis 3:15 bind d content of every book of d Bible into one united message, namely, that a Deliverer would be sent to destroy d Devil and all his wicked followers.
Now let pay a close attention to that prophecy. The characters in d account recorded at Genesis 3:14, 15 include a “serpent,” d “offspring” of d serpent, a “woman,” and d “offspring” of d woman. The Bible helps us to identify each of them. Let us begin with “the serpent.” A literal snake could not have understood what God said in d garden of Eden. So d object of Jehovah’s judgment must have been an intelligent creature. Who? Revelation 12:9 leaves no doubt on this matter. There “the original serpent” is clearly identified as Satan d Devil. But who make up the offspring of d serpent?
When d Bible speaks of offspring in a figurative sense, it is referring to those who think and act like their symbolic father. So d offspring of d serpent is made up of spirit creatures and humans who, like Satan, resist God and oppose His people. That would include d angels who abandoned their assignments in heaven in Noah’s day as well as wicked humans who behave like their father d Devil.​—Gen. 6:1, 2; John 8:44; 1 John 5:19; Jude 6.
Next, let us identify “the woman.” She could not have been Eve. Why not? Consider just one reason. The prophecy states that d offspring of d woman would “crush” d serpent’s head. As we just discussed, the serpent is the spirit creature Satan, and no imperfect human offspring of Eve’s would have d ability to crush him. Something more was needed. The identity of the woman mentioned at Genesis 3:15 is revealed in d last book of d Bible. (Read Revelation 12:1, 2, 5, 10.) This is no ordinary woman! She has the moon at her feet and a crown of 12 stars on her head. She gives birth to a most unusual child​—the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom is heavenly, so the woman must also be heavenly. She represents the heavenly part of God’s organization made up of his faithful spirit creatures.​—Gal. 4:26.
God’s Word also helps us to identify the primary offspring of the woman. This offspring was to be a natural descendant of Abraham. (Read Genesis 22:15-18.) True to the prophecy, Jesus was a direct descendant of that faithful patriarch. (Luke 3:23, 34) But the offspring would have to be more than a human because he was to crush Satan the Devil out of existence. Accordingly, when Jesus was about 30 years old, he was anointed as the spirit-begotten Son of God. At his anointing, Jesus became the primary part of the offspring of the woman. (Gal. 3:16) After Jesus’ death and resurrection, God “crowned him with glory and honor” and gave him “all authority . . . in heaven and on the earth,” including the authority “to break up the works of the Devil.”​—Heb. 2:7; Matt. 28:18; 1 John 3:8.
But there would be a secondary part of the offspring. The apostle Paul identified this part of the offspring when he told both Jewish and Gentile anointed Christians: “If you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.” (Gal. 3:28, 29) When God anoints a Christian with holy spirit, that person becomes part of the offspring of the woman. So the offspring is made up of Jesus Christ and his 144,000 corulers. (Rev. 14:1) All of these reflect the spirit of their Father in heaven.
Now that we have identified the characters mentioned at Genesis 3:15, let us briefly review how God has progressively been fulfilling this prophecy and how we are benefiting.
According to the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, the serpent would strike the woman’s offspring “in the heel.” That was fulfilled when Satan incited the Jews and the Romans to put the Son of God to death. (Luke 23:13, 20-24) Just as a literal heel wound can temporarily cripple someone, Jesus’ death temporarily put him out of action and he lay lifeless in the grave for parts of three days.​—Matt. 16:21.
If the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 was to be fulfilled, Jesus could not remain in the grave. Why not? Because according to the prophecy, the offspring would crush the serpent’s head. This meant that Jesus would need to recover from his heel wound. And indeed he did! On the third day after his death, Jesus was resurrected as an immortal spirit creature. In God’s due time, Jesus will crush Satan out of existence. (Heb. 2:14) Those who will rule with Christ will share in ridding the earth of all of God’s enemies​—the offspring of the serpent.​—Rev. 17:14; 20:4, 10.
This is d theme message that the book of Revelation is all about.
Ken4Christ:


I am a student of eschatology. The four beast before the throne are not literal beast. Their identity were revealed in Revelation 5:9. They represent the church in different dispensation.

The beast that looks like a lion is the early church.

The one that looks like a calf is the church during the period idolatry crept into the church.

The beast that looks like a man represents the church during the reformation period. That was the era Martin Luther started a reform and petitioned the Roman Catholic church. They were described as mere man because they lacked the power of the Holy Spirit.

The last beast that looks like an eagle is the present day church. And it is this church that will witness the rapture of the church.

Now, concerning the beast in Revelation 13 with seven heads and ten horns. The ten horns represents the ten European countries that will form a confederation which will be the new super power on earth after the church age is over.

I could go on and on.

If you don't have the spirit of God, you won't understand all these things. But I do and most of the symbols used in the book of Revelation can be understood.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by annyplenty(m): 5:06pm On May 10, 2023
Righteousness2:


JESUS is GOD. He has been since the beginning on the earth and has always made available the way and means to obtain righteousness in him.

In that regard, true!
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 5:11pm On May 10, 2023
Is Jesus Christ actually God?
John 17:3, RS: “[Jesus prayed to his Father:] This is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God [“who alone art truly God,” NE], and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (Notice that Jesus referred not to himself but to his Father in heaven as “the only true God.”)

John 20:17, RS: “Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene], ‘Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (So to the resurrected Jesus, the Father was God, just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as “my God.”)
Righteousness2:


JESUS is GOD. He has been since the beginning on the earth and has always made available the way and means to obtain righteousness in him.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 5:47pm On May 10, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
The first prophecy in d bible, Gen.3:15, relates to all d other books of d bible. Just as d spine of a printed book binds all d pages together, d words recorded at Genesis 3:15 bind d content of every book of d Bible into one united message, namely, that a Deliverer would be sent to destroy d Devil and all his wicked followers.
Now let pay a close attention to that prophecy. The characters in d account recorded at Genesis 3:14, 15 include a “serpent,” d “offspring” of d serpent, a “woman,” and d “offspring” of d woman. The Bible helps us to identify each of them. Let us begin with “the serpent.” A literal snake could not have understood what God said in d garden of Eden. So d object of Jehovah’s judgment must have been an intelligent creature. Who? Revelation 12:9 leaves no doubt on this matter. There “the original serpent” is clearly identified as Satan d Devil. But who make up the offspring of d serpent?
When d Bible speaks of offspring in a figurative sense, it is referring to those who think and act like their symbolic father. So d offspring of d serpent is made up of spirit creatures and humans who, like Satan, resist God and oppose His people. That would include d angels who abandoned their assignments in heaven in Noah’s day as well as wicked humans who behave like their father d Devil.​—Gen. 6:1, 2; John 8:44; 1 John 5:19; Jude 6.
Next, let us identify “the woman.” She could not have been Eve. Why not? Consider just one reason. The prophecy states that d offspring of d woman would “crush” d serpent’s head. As we just discussed, the serpent is the spirit creature Satan, and no imperfect human offspring of Eve’s would have d ability to crush him. Something more was needed. The identity of the woman mentioned at Genesis 3:15 is revealed in d last book of d Bible. (Read Revelation 12:1, 2, 5, 10.) This is no ordinary woman! She has the moon at her feet and a crown of 12 stars on her head. She gives birth to a most unusual child​—the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom is heavenly, so the woman must also be heavenly. She represents the heavenly part of God’s organization made up of his faithful spirit creatures.​—Gal. 4:26.
God’s Word also helps us to identify the primary offspring of the woman. This offspring was to be a natural descendant of Abraham. (Read Genesis 22:15-18.) True to the prophecy, Jesus was a direct descendant of that faithful patriarch. (Luke 3:23, 34) But the offspring would have to be more than a human because he was to crush Satan the Devil out of existence. Accordingly, when Jesus was about 30 years old, he was anointed as the spirit-begotten Son of God. At his anointing, Jesus became the primary part of the offspring of the woman. (Gal. 3:16) After Jesus’ death and resurrection, God “crowned him with glory and honor” and gave him “all authority . . . in heaven and on the earth,” including the authority “to break up the works of the Devil.”​—Heb. 2:7; Matt. 28:18; 1 John 3:8.
But there would be a secondary part of the offspring. The apostle Paul identified this part of the offspring when he told both Jewish and Gentile anointed Christians: “If you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.” (Gal. 3:28, 29) When God anoints a Christian with holy spirit, that person becomes part of the offspring of the woman. So the offspring is made up of Jesus Christ and his 144,000 corulers. (Rev. 14:1) All of these reflect the spirit of their Father in heaven.
Now that we have identified the characters mentioned at Genesis 3:15, let us briefly review how God has progressively been fulfilling this prophecy and how we are benefiting.
According to the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, the serpent would strike the woman’s offspring “in the heel.” That was fulfilled when Satan incited the Jews and the Romans to put the Son of God to death. (Luke 23:13, 20-24) Just as a literal heel wound can temporarily cripple someone, Jesus’ death temporarily put him out of action and he lay lifeless in the grave for parts of three days.​—Matt. 16:21.
If the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 was to be fulfilled, Jesus could not remain in the grave. Why not? Because according to the prophecy, the offspring would crush the serpent’s head. This meant that Jesus would need to recover from his heel wound. And indeed he did! On the third day after his death, Jesus was resurrected as an immortal spirit creature. In God’s due time, Jesus will crush Satan out of existence. (Heb. 2:14) Those who will rule with Christ will share in ridding the earth of all of God’s enemies​—the offspring of the serpent.​—Rev. 17:14; 20:4, 10.
This is d theme message that the book of Revelation is all about.

If Jesus was raised as an immortal spiritual creature, how are we his followers going to be resurrected?

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 5:49pm On May 10, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
Before u can grasp the visionary message in Revelation, you need to first grasp the theme of the whole bible. The Bible’s first book, Genesis, tells of “the beginning” and describes God’s creative works, including his crowning earthly creation, man. Genesis also sets out the first divine prophecy, uttered by God himself in the garden of Eden some 6,000 years ago. A serpent had just been used to deceive the first woman, Eve; she in turn had persuaded her husband, Adam, to join her in violating God’s law by eating from “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.” In passing judgment on the sinful couple, God said to the serpent: “I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.” (Genesis 1:1; 2:17; 3:1-6, 14, 15) That prophecy sets the theme for the whole Bible, including Revelation.
After God uttered the first prophecy, what happened to our first parents? What questions arise concerning the first prophecy?
You see, Immediately after uttering d prophecy, God expelled our 1st parents from Eden. No longer could they look forward to everlasting life in Paradise; they would have to live out their lives in d unprepared earth outside. Under sentence of death, they would produce sin-laden children. (Genesis 3:23–4:1; Romans 5:12) What, though, does d Edenic prophecy mean? Who are involved? How does it link up with Revelation?
What message does it have for us today? In order to gain personal relief from d effects of the tragic event that led to God’s uttering that prophecy, it is of vital concern that we know d answers to these questions.

Please, learn to present your points in paragraphs. They are too crowded. And you are not focused on specific points.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Righteousness2(m): 9:52pm On May 10, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
Is Jesus Christ actually God?
John 17:3, RS: “[Jesus prayed to his Father:] This is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God [“who alone art truly God,” NE], and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (Notice that Jesus referred not to himself but to his Father in heaven as “the only true God.”)

John 20:17, RS: “Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene], ‘Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (So to the resurrected Jesus, the Father was God, just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as “my God.”)
Leave stories, study your bible.
JESUS is GOD.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 10:01pm On May 10, 2023
Forget heaven
Righteousness2:

Leave stories, study your bible.
JESUS is GOD.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 11:48pm On May 10, 2023
Good question. First of all, the secondary seeds of the woman need to be in place before the destruction of the devil's work begin. (Rev.7:2,3) They are coruler with Christ the primary seed of the woman. They are going to serve along side King Jesus, as Kings. And as priests with Jesus being the Chief Priest. (Rev. 5:10) The secondary seed are chosen (or anointed) by God from among mankind and they are to be 144,000 in number. Read Rev. 14:1-4.

Now, regarding the above group of people, a 'first resurrection' is ongoing thru which they are installed in heaven with King Jesus until they complete. Rev. 20:4, 6: “I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. . . . Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.”

You will now wonder, if limited amount of people are to be chosen for heavenly purpose thru the first resurrection, what about the rest of millions of faithful followers of Christ who had died?

Answer: They would be resurrected back to life on earth. At Rev. 20:12, 13 we read: “I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. . . . They were judged individually according to their deeds.”

Their kind of resurrection was demonstrated by Jesus when he was on earth. For example, let consider the account at John 11:11, 14-44: “[Jesus said to his disciples:] ‘Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.’ . . . Jesus said to them outspokenly: ‘Lazarus has died.’ . . . When Jesus arrived, he found he [Lazarus] had already been four days in the memorial tomb. . . . Jesus said to her [Martha, a sister of Lazarus]: ‘I am the resurrection and the life.’ . . . He cried out with a loud voice: ‘Lazarus, come on out!’ The man that had been dead came out with his feet and hands bound with wrappings, and his countenance was bound about with a cloth. Jesus said to them: ‘Loose him and let him go.’” (If Jesus had thus called Lazarus back from a state of bliss in another life, that would have been no kindness. But Jesus’ raising Lazarus up from a lifeless state was a kindness both to him and to his sisters. Once again Lazarus became a living human) Do you see the point?

Millions of those who had died would be judged to be resurrected back to life on earth just like Lazarus was raised back to life. To get the sense of these two resurrection scenario, Those raised to heavenly life would put on a heavenly body. (they would be in spirit form) While those raised to life on earth would be in flesh and blood but in a perfect state. Apostle Paul explained this at 1Cor. 15:40, 42-44, 47-50
Ken4Christ:


If Jesus was raised as an immortal spiritual creature, how are we his followers going to be resurrected?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 2:01am On May 11, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
Good question. First of all, the secondary seeds of the woman need to be in place before the destruction of the devil's work begin. (Rev.7:2,3) They are coruler with Christ the primary seed of the woman. They are going to serve along side King Jesus, as Kings. And as priests with Jesus being the Chief Priest. (Rev. 5:10) The secondary seed are chosen (or anointed) by God from among mankind and they are to be 144,000 in number. Read Rev. 14:1-4.

Now, regarding the above group of people, a 'first resurrection' is ongoing thru which they are installed in heaven with King Jesus until they complete. Rev. 20:4, 6: “I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. . . . Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.”

You will now wonder, if limited amount of people are to be chosen for heavenly purpose thru the first resurrection, what about the rest of millions of faithful followers of Christ who had died?

Answer: They would be resurrected back to life on earth. At Rev. 20:12, 13 we read: “I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. . . . They were judged individually according to their deeds.”

Their kind of resurrection was demonstrated by Jesus when he was on earth. For example, let consider the account at John 11:11, 14-44: “[Jesus said to his disciples:] ‘Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.’ . . . Jesus said to them outspokenly: ‘Lazarus has died.’ . . . When Jesus arrived, he found he [Lazarus] had already been four days in the memorial tomb. . . . Jesus said to her [Martha, a sister of Lazarus]: ‘I am the resurrection and the life.’ . . . He cried out with a loud voice: ‘Lazarus, come on out!’ The man that had been dead came out with his feet and hands bound with wrappings, and his countenance was bound about with a cloth. Jesus said to them: ‘Loose him and let him go.’” (If Jesus had thus called Lazarus back from a state of bliss in another life, that would have been no kindness. But Jesus’ raising Lazarus up from a lifeless state was a kindness both to him and to his sisters. Once again Lazarus became a living human) Do you see the point?

Millions of those who had died would be judged to be resurrected back to life on earth just like Lazarus was raised back to life. To get the sense of these two resurrection scenario, Those raised to heavenly life would put on a heavenly body. (they would be in spirit form) While those raised to life on earth would be in flesh and blood but in a perfect state. Apostle Paul explained this at 1Cor. 15:40, 42-44, 47-50

Saying that only 144,000 are chosen to make heaven contradicts the scripture.

The scripture says that we all have the same rights as citizens of God's kingdom;

Ephesians 2:18-19.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but FELLOWCITIZENS with the saints, and of the household of God;

In addition, it says that there is no distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles anymore;

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both (Jews and Gentiles) one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us.

In addition, in the letter Paul wrote to the Philippians church, he said;

Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven – and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ. (New English Translation)

Remember that this church is from a Gentile nation.

So, the Gentiles will be in heaven also.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 4:10am On May 11, 2023
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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 10:47am On May 11, 2023
You need to pay attention to the scriptures you have quoted to support ur points below. I know this is what you will think and that is understandable. Recall that I draw your attention about getting to know the background, context, setting or circumstance of each bible book thru their introductory verses? I mean the first or first 2 verses of thier first chapter? I asked you to try read them and find out about thier settings and context. It is very important for you to always have them in mind when meditating on any verse you read in each bible book.

You see, most of the bible books in the new testament are letters written by Apostle Paul addressed to either a congregation such as Corinthians or an individual fellow Christain such as Timothy, Titus, Philemon e t.c. Some are addressed to his fellow anointed Christains (Saints). For example, Phillipians, Colossians, Ephesians, e.t.c.

Now, let me show you how Ephesians 2:18-19 should be understood accurately. The first thing you need to ask is that to whom was the letter originally addressed to? A closer look at the first verse of the first Chapter would help us. Ephesians 1:1 read (from different Bible translations):

Berean Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Berean Literal Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints being in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

King James Bible
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

New King James Version
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

New American Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

NASB 1995
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

NASB 1977
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are at Ephesus, and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Legacy Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Christian Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will: To the faithful saints in Christ Jesus at Ephesus.

Notice that Paul's letter was directed to the Saints (Anointed Christains) in Ephesus. Such letter, when recieved is usually like a directive or instruction. It can also contain some encouragement or comforting message to the saints and can form the basis for teachings in the congregation. So, you need to bear in mind that Ephesians 2:18-19 you quoted is part of a letter addressed to the Saints (Anointed Christains) in Ephesus. Like I explained in earlier response, Anointed Christains are the secondary seed of the woman in Gen.3:15. They are the Chosen ones by God himself thru holy spirit. They belong to the heavenly realm. When they dies, they are resurrected in the manner of Christ (Spirit body) to join him in his kingdom set up. They are the set that undergoes the first resurrection. Read verse 4 and 5 of the same Ephesians Chapter 2.

Moreso, if you meditate on the letter to the Ephesians, you will discern the tone of Apostle Paul as being encouraging them because he was in Prison in Rome. The letter focus attention on an administration that results in peace and unity with God thru Jesus Christ. For instance, Ephesians 1:8-14 highlighted God's plan for an administration (a way of managing his household affairs) by which he would unite with himself thru Christ those chosen to be in the heavens and those who would live on earth.

Furthermore, the letter also make reference about thier citizenship. Yes. This is to remind them that their heavenly citizenship doesn't distinct between whether they are Jews or Gentile. That reminder was appropriate because those Christians back then has natural distinction among themselves as to whether Jews or Gentile. That attitude doesn't foster unity. So they are to learn to unite as one with Christ. (Verse 13, 14)

What is the lesson for us today?

Whether you are an Anointed Christain or part of the faithful millions of Christains (Rev.7:9; Rev 14:6), by all mean, you should resist any divisive disposition as prevalent in this world. All true Christains are to be united as one body or Nation irrespective of background, race, culture, tribes e.t.c. One Lord, One Christ, One faith, one hope, one baptism, one God and Father. This is the will of God. because, that is how he is uniting his people (household).
Ken4Christ:


Saying that only 144,000 are chosen to make heaven contradicts the scripture.

The scripture says that we all have the same rights as citizens of God's kingdom;

Ephesians 2:18-19.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but FELLOWCITIZENS with the saints, and of the household of God;

In addition, it says that there is no distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles anymore;

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both (Jews and Gentiles) one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us.

In addition, in the letter Paul wrote to the Philippians church, he said;

Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven – and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ. (New English Translation)

Remember that this church is from a Gentile nation.

So, the Gentiles will be in heaven also.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 11:21am On May 11, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
You need to pay attention to the scriptures you have quoted to support ur points below. I know this is what you will think and that is understandable. Recall that I draw your attention about getting to know the background, context, setting or circumstance of each bible book thru their introductory verses? I mean the first or first 2 verses of thier first chapter? I asked you to try read them and find out about thier settings and context. It is very important for you to always have them in mind when meditating on any verse you read in each bible book.

You see, most of the bible books in the new testament are letters written by Apostle Paul addressed to either a congregation such as Corinthians or an individual fellow Christain such as Timothy, Titus, Philemon e t.c. Some are addressed to his fellow anointed Christains (Saints). For example, Phillipians, Colossians, Ephesians, e.t.c.

Now, let me show you how Ephesians 2:18-19 should be understood accurately. The first thing you need to ask is that to whom was the letter originally addressed to? A closer look at the first verse of the first Chapter would help us. Ephesians 1:1 read (from different Bible translations):

Berean Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Berean Literal Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints being in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

King James Bible
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

New King James Version
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

New American Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

NASB 1995
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

NASB 1977
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are at Ephesus, and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Legacy Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Christian Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will: To the faithful saints in Christ Jesus at Ephesus.

Notice that Paul's letter was directed to the Saints (Anointed Christains) in Ephesus. Such letter, when recieved is usually like a directive or instruction. It can also contain some encouragement or comforting message to the saints and can form the basis for teachings in the congregation. So, you need to bear in mind that Ephesians 2:18-19 you quoted is part of a letter addressed to the Saints (Anointed Christains) in Ephesus. Like I explained in earlier response, Anointed Christains are the secondary seed of the woman in Gen.3:15. They are the Chosen ones by God himself thru holy spirit. They belong to the heavenly realm. When they dies, they are resurrected in the manner of Christ (Spirit body) to join him in his kingdom set up. They are the set that undergoes the first resurrection. Read verse 4 and 5 of the same Ephesians Chapter 2.

Moreso, if you meditate on the letter to the Ephesians, you will discern the tone of Apostle Paul as being encouraging them because he was in Prison in Rome. The letter focus attention on an administration that results in peace and unity with God thru Jesus Christ. For instance, Ephesians 1:8-14 highlighted God's plan for an administration (a way of managing his household affairs) by which he would unite with himself thru Christ those chosen to be in the heavens and those who would live on earth.

Furthermore, the letter also make reference about thier citizenship. Yes. This is to remind them that their heavenly citizenship doesn't distinct between whether they are Jews or Gentile. That reminder was appropriate because those Christians back then has natural distinction among themselves as to whether Jews or Gentile. That attitude doesn't foster unity. So they are to learn to unite as one with Christ. (Verse 13, 14)

What is the lesson for us today?

Whether you are an Anointed Christain or part of the faithful millions of Christains (Rev.7:9; Rev 14:6), by all mean, you should resist any divisive disposition as prevalent in this world. All true Christains are to be united as one body or Nation irrespective of background, race, culture, tribes e.t.c. One Lord, One Christ, One faith, one hope, one baptism, one God and Father. This is the will of God. because, that is how he is uniting his people (household).

Who is a Saint? And what makes one a Saint?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:24pm On May 11, 2023
Righteousness2:

Leave stories, study your bible.
JESUS is GOD.

John said:
"The word WAS WAS WAS God"
Not "IS God"
So something is wrong with Trinitarianism! smiley
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 1:35pm On May 11, 2023
Good question!

According to Roman Catholic teaching, saints are those who died and are now with Christ in heaven and who have been given recognition by the Church for outstanding holiness and virtue. The Tridentine profession of faith states that the saints are to be invoked as intercessors with God and that both the relics of saints and images of the saints are to be venerated. Other religions, too, invoke the help of saints. Certain religions teach that all of their members are saints and are free from sin. The Bible makes many references to saints, or holy ones. It refers to Christ’s 144,000 spirit-anointed followers as being such.
But we are to stick to what the Bible refers to as Saint if we want to get the truth. The Bible said they are anointed or chosen by God. (2Thes. 2:13,14) Appropriately, they are called Anointed Christains or Spirit-anointed Christains.

Furthermore, it is important to note that being a Saint or an Anointed Christain is for a heavenly purpose. And what is that purpose? To serve along the Christ as king and priest over mankind in the coming Kingdom of God. (Rev.20:6; 1Cor.6:2; Rev.5:10; Daniel 7:27)
Ken4Christ:


Who is a Saint? And what makes one a Saint?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 12:45am On May 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
John said:
"The word WAS WAS WAS God"
Not "IS God"

So something is wrong with Trinitarianism! smiley

oh duh, most dum lost false jw mad max

john also said:
in the beginning was the word, Not "IS the Word"
he also said:
the Word was with God, Not "IS with God"

one of the troubles with false jw's is that you are uneducated
and your org likes it that way, they can tell you anything and
you believe it



Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

in the beginning is speaking of the past

in the beginning "was the Word" < proper grammar
in the beginning "the word was with God" < proper grammar
in the beginning "the Word was God" < proper grammar





1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 7:32am On May 12, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
Good question!

According to Roman Catholic teaching, saints are those who died and are now with Christ in heaven and who have been given recognition by the Church for outstanding holiness and virtue. The Tridentine profession of faith states that the saints are to be invoked as intercessors with God and that both the relics of saints and images of the saints are to be venerated. Other religions, too, invoke the help of saints. Certain religions teach that all of their members are saints and are free from sin. The Bible makes many references to saints, or holy ones. It refers to Christ’s 144,000 spirit-anointed followers as being such.
But we are to stick to what the Bible refers to as Saint if we want to get the truth. The Bible said they are anointed or chosen by God. (2Thes. 2:13,14) Appropriately, they are called Anointed Christains or Spirit-anointed Christains.

Furthermore, it is important to note that being a Saint or an Anointed Christain is for a heavenly purpose. And what is that purpose? To serve along the Christ as king and priest over mankind in the coming Kingdom of God. (Rev.20:6; 1Cor.6:2; Rev.5:10; Daniel 7:27)

So, how can you identify the anointed Christians on earth?

And the second question is still not answered - How does one become a Saint?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:39am On May 12, 2023
Verse 2:

"The same was in the beginning with God."

This means there were TWO persons not one so the evidence is there that ONE out of the TWO must be the only true God! John 17:3

johnw47:


oh duh, most dum lost false jw mad max

john also said:
in the beginning was the word, Not "IS the Word"
he also said:
the Word was with God, Not "IS with God"

one of the troubles with false jw's is that you are uneducated
and your org likes it that way, they can tell you anything and
you believe it



Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

in the beginning is speaking of the past

in the beginning "was the Word" < proper grammar
in the beginning "the word was with God" < proper grammar
in the beginning "the Word was God" < proper grammar





1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 5:43pm On May 12, 2023
In his letter to the holy ones (Anointed Christains) in Rome, the Apostle Paul revealed that the Holy Spirit bears witness to them confirming that they are Anointed for heavenly call. Rom. 8:16, 17: “The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together.”

I already stressed earlier that God himself is the one who chose or anoint a Christain for heavenly purpose. It is not like it is compulsory for a Christian to be chosen for heavenly purpose. This is a privileged calling that exclusively belong to God to decide. It doesn't even make an Anointed better than any other faithful Christains who were not chosen. Both the Anointed and the millions of other faithful Christains have the same gift of everlasting life. One is spending his everlasting life in heaven as part of God's heavenly Kingdom organisation while the other is spending everlasting life here on earth as part of the subjects of God's Kingdom. Now, how do we identify Anointed Christains?

On the night of Nissan 14, 33 C.E., after celebrating the Lord's Evening meal Jesus made a Kingdom covenant with his faithful apostles. There were 11 of them (Judas was dismissed). Jesus promised them that they would sit on thrones. (Luke 22:28-30) Later, he showed that this promise extend to all spirit-begotten 'conquerors.' (Rev. 3:21; see also Rev.1:4-6; Rev.20:6) This covenant has been operative from that night between Jesus and his associate kings till date. The Passover meal his disciples ate that night is what he used to activate the special covenant and he instructed them, "keep doing this in remembrance..." (Luke:22:19) The disciples and the early apostles has been following this instruction in the same pattern that Jesus instituted it. It is only the Anointed that can partake of this commemorative meal. The scriptures say that God will provide, thru his holy spirit, evidence and assurance to those qualified to partake of the emblems. (Romans 8:14-21) This is where we identify Anointed Christains. It is an occasion that bring together true Christains. It is a sacred occasion such that anyone who partake of it unworthily will fall sick. (1Cor.11:20-34)
Ken4Christ:


So, how can you identify the anointed Christians on earth?

And the second question is still not answered - How does one become a Saint?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 9:01pm On May 12, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
In his letter to the holy ones (Anointed Christains) in Rome, the Apostle Paul revealed that the Holy Spirit bears witness to them confirming that they are Anointed for heavenly call. Rom. 8:16, 17: “The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together.”

I already stressed earlier that God himself is the one who chose or anoint a Christain for heavenly purpose. It is not like it is compulsory for a Christian to be chosen for heavenly purpose. This is a privileged calling that exclusively belong to God to decide. It doesn't even make an Anointed better than any other faithful Christains who were not chosen. Both the Anointed and the millions of other faithful Christains have the same gift of everlasting life. One is spending his everlasting life in heaven as part of God's heavenly Kingdom organisation while the other is spending everlasting life here on earth as part of the subjects of God's Kingdom. Now, how do we identify Anointed Christains?

On the night of Nissan 14, 33 C.E., after celebrating the Lord's Evening meal Jesus made a Kingdom covenant with his faithful apostles. There were 11 of them (Judas was dismissed). Jesus promised them that they would sit on thrones. (Luke 22:28-30) Later, he showed that this promise extend to all spirit-begotten 'conquerors.' (Rev. 3:21; see also Rev.1:4-6; Rev.20:6) This covenant has been operative from that night between Jesus and his associate kings till date. The Passover meal his disciples ate that night is what he used to activate the special covenant and he instructed them, "keep doing this in remembrance..." (Luke:22:19) The disciples and the early apostles has been following this instruction in the same pattern that Jesus instituted it. It is only the Anointed that can partake of this commemorative meal. The scriptures say that God will provide, thru his holy spirit, evidence and assurance to those qualified to partake of the emblems. (Romans 8:14-21) This is where we identify Anointed Christains. It is an occasion that bring together true Christains. It is a sacred occasion such that anyone who partake of it unworthily will fall sick. (1Cor.11:20-34)

Well, you have not really said anything. None of what you said is true.

The New Testament Saints are every believer in Christ. Everyone who is saved or born again is a Saint in the eyes of God because they have been washed by the blood of Jesus.

This is why Apostle Paul addressed the believers as Saints in most of the letters he wrote to the churches.

There is no single verse in the New Testament that differentiates one set of believers from the other.

He calls us fellowheirs. He said that we are fellow citizens. There is no second class believer.

In his letter to the brethren in Rome, he wrote;

Romans 1:7
TO ALL THAT BE IN ROME, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus CHRIST.

Notice the phrase, 'to all that be in Rome'. He is referring to all the brethren in Rome.

He said that they are all called to be saints.

Please, delete all that Rutherford and Russell has programmed into your brain. Otherwise, you will die in ignorance and end up in hell.

These two leaders were Satan's messengers disguised as ministers of light.

Just accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and you are automatically a Saint.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 9:36pm On May 12, 2023
annyplenty:
Let us rub minds together.

The scripture did not explicity say why the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 go to hell.

Can you infer from the scripture why he ended in hell.

Let's get this Bible fact very clear.

Jesus Christ did NOT, NEVER said "hell" (subliminal reference to hellfire by Christendom grin grin) @Luke chapter 16 verse 23.

Jesus Christ said "Hades"= the grave.
Hades is NOT, NEVER hellfire.

Please go & learn.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 9:58pm On May 12, 2023
004gist:


jehova witness I sight u

the bible says.... there was a certain rich man.... "there was " this shows that it actually happened.
and this shows that there is life after death.

Revelation 20:14 also talk about a time where some certain individual will be cast into an everlasting fire

Isaiah 33:14 also talk about an everlasting fire where sinners will be cast into.

Revelation 21:8 we read: "[A]s for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." this means that being cast into hell is referred to as death in response to Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 u pointed out

Read King James version not a water down translation

Your ignorance is very luminous.

You are desperate to add your personal thoughts into the holy scriptures whereas your Bible says the exact opposite of what you claimed. cheesy

who dey torture the dead?
Hellfire nah scam.
Belief in hellfire has NEVER even water down the iniquities in Christendom expressed in this Screenshots.

Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by annyplenty(m): 10:44pm On May 12, 2023
Janosky:


Let's get this Bible fact very clear.

Jesus Christ did NOT, NEVER said "hell" (subliminal reference to hellfire by Christendom grin grin) @Luke chapter 16 verse 23.

Jesus Christ said "Hades"= the grave.
Hades is NOT, NEVER hellfire.

Please go & learn.
.

Do people talk inside grave?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by bobestman(m): 11:34pm On May 12, 2023
To the ignorant churchian, whatever hell is, it is after judgement and on the last day. It is not after death as you ppl were spoonfed. The devil need to be cast their before those who follow him but the guy is still roaming about looking for whom to decieve. The messiah spoke in many parables. The one that supports this hell idea is the parable of wheat and tares. This parable supports what happened to sodom and gomorrah and the deluge. The messiah said that it will be like in the days of Noah. They all have one thing in common. Their was a trump/warning, a separation and then a judgement by fire/flood. The few who remain begins the new world. That is how it is done at the end of every age. Your ancestors knew before your religions came. Hell is a new testament concept fabricated by Rome. Their is but not as you guys were told. After the separation comes the sanitation/judgement by fire/flood
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 12:35am On May 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Verse 2:
"The same was in the beginning with God."
This means there were TWO persons not one so the evidence is there that ONE out of the TWO must be the only true God! John 17:3

lost false jw mad max

of course God and the Word is two persons,

and God and the Word is God, just as me and my word is me


i could say much on the matter but not to satans mob, liars and paranoid false accusers:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 12:58am On May 13, 2023
Janosky:
Let's get this Bible fact very clear.
Jesus Christ did NOT, NEVER said "hell" (subliminal reference to hellfire by Christendom grin grin) @Luke chapter 16 verse 23.
Jesus Christ said "Hades"= the grave.
Hades is NOT, NEVER hellfire.
Please go & learn.

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

hell is not a subliminal reference to hellfire by all christians

you false jw's can never stop lying, can you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



Christendom
/ˈkrɪsndəm/
noun

1.
the worldwide body of Christians



and so dum one, it's good you agree that false jw's are not part of the worldwide body of Christians

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by NNTR: 1:08am On May 13, 2023
Jumbojax:
Matthew 5:29-30
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee:
for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into HELL.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee:
for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into HELL.

Rejecting Hell is just a feeble attempt at absolving yourself of the responsibility of your sinful actions. There is a hell. And man should be finding every way possible to escape it. Because it is forever. Sodom and Gomorrah is not just a city it is the people that are burning in hell forever after their physical burning of hail and brimstones.
Please tell, what according to your understanding, do you know that, last, last, will happen to hell? In your reply please dont mistake hell for the Lake of fire though

Jumbojax:
I've read a lot of hell rejecting opinions on this thread and my own is that you guys don't understand the perfection and unlimited power of God.
Which guys?
Who are the guys that don't understand the perfection and unlimited power of God?

The same two questions I asked dearest beloved, Ken4Christ, which he give answers to, I' ll you too, the two simple questions, as seen below:

1. According to your understanding, do you really think that tormenting souls of human beings, in a way, that permanently continues and lasts forever, is something that God is looking forward to get pleasure from? Hmm?
2. According to your understanding, do you really believe that, ABBA, a good and loving Influencer, (i.e. God) will, non-stop barbecue burn human beings (i.e. human beings with souls and have intact flesh or bodies) and souls (i.e. human beings, with soul but are no more with flesh or bodies) in the lake of fire FOREVER? Hmm?

Jumbojax:
Noone should be able to sin against God and get away with it. NOONE. He is HOLY completely perfect and HE has created everything for HIS pleasure. And we displease Him all the time. Cheapening His judgement and even going as far as saying His punishment for that insane decision of sin(hell) is dishonouring HiM. undecided God help us all. The Bible said Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a CONSUMING FIRE 🔥, even a jealous God.
All what you typed here, is nothing other than pretentious balderdash. Sorry.

Jumbojax:
You as a man as well the devil are created to have an eternal soul that will never end. And that soul will pay for the sins you committed against a perfect God. Because He made you perfect. But you chose imperfection. And the devil that decieves us will as well burn eternally.
But God who is love has extended a singular hope a chance of escape from hell. Trusting in Jesus Christ the ONLY begotten son of God. We are not all God's children until we believe on Jesus Christ and recieve the adoption of sons. John 3:16
Matthew 10:28
And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.


Ezekiel 18:20a
The soul that sinneth, it shall die ...

1. What part of the meaning of the word 'kill' in Matthew 10:28, dont you understand or appreciate the meaning of?
2. What part in the meaning of the word 'die' in Ezekiel 18:20a, dont you understand or appreciate the meaning of. Hmm?
3. Who told you, where did you get that the devil has a soul? Hmm?
4. Do you know the core reason why satan and its demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings) are irredeemable? Tell me, then please, if you know

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by NNTR: 1:30am On May 13, 2023
annyplenty:
Let us rub minds together.

The scripture did not explicity say why the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 go to hell.

Can you infer from the scripture why he ended in hell.
Lets get this straight.
Both the rich man and Lazarus ended u in Sheol, which incidentally comprises of two sections.
One section is known as Abraham's bosom, while the other section is where the rich man found himself in.

Apparently both these two sections in Sheol, are separated by a great divide, chasm, gulf, or gully.

Scripture Luke 16:19-31, explicitly explained that the rich man ended up where he found himself plainly because when he was existing in the land of the living, he dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day, that he didnt all, not even once, felt or expressed sympathy towards Lazarus. Not even the crumbs from his dining table, did he offer Lazarus

annyplenty:
Why did he go to hell
His indifference, got him landed in the opposing side of Abraham's bosom

Janosky:
Let's get this Bible fact very clear.

Jesus Christ did NOT, NEVER said "hell" (subliminal reference to hellfire by Christendom grin grin) @Luke chapter 16 verse 23.

Jesus Christ said "Hades"= the grave.
Hades is NOT, NEVER hellfire.

Please go & learn.
People often freely mix up Sheol, (i.e. doubles up as meaning grave), Hades pka hell, (i.e. A Greek concept stemmed deep in Greek mythology) Gehenna (i.e. the incinerator dump site at Jerusalem) and Lake of Fire (i.e. the final disposal destination) for each other. Even worse, they often, also are guilty of interchangeably use each one word for one another too.

annyplenty:
Do people talk inside grave?
You need to be specific about what you mean by grave.
You also need to specific of which type and/or kind of people, are you referring to in the question you asked

If you really want to know if people talk inside grave, well, we see from Luke 16:19-31, that, the dead, among themselves, communicate somehow with each other

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:53am On May 13, 2023
johnw47:

of course God and the Word is two persons,
and God and the Word is God

This is all I need in your comments.

Two persons are God is enough proof that you are not sane just because you want to commit suicide in speaking English you said two persons IS instead of ARE.

About God Jesus said:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" John 17:3

Perhaps your English teacher needs to call you back to primary school so you can learn what "ONLY" signifies! smiley

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 7:19am On May 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
This is all I need in your comments.
Two persons are God is enough proof that you are not sane just because you want to commit suicide in speaking English you said two persons IS instead of ARE.

lost false jw mad max of no understanding

oh duh know nothing, before time God and His Word are one Person/one God, before God
bought His Word out of Himself, then there were two, God and the word who later became man/flesh
the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

MaxInDHouse: About God Jesus said:"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" John 17:3
Perhaps your English teacher needs to call you back to primary school so you can learn what "ONLY" signifies! smiley


oh most dum one, God and his Word were not always two persons
God bought forth his Word out of Himself and then there were two of that one and the same Spirit that is God

God's wisdom/God's Word always existed in God, of course


2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:27pm On May 13, 2023
Your insanity has no boundaries! grin

johnw47:

before time God and His Word are one Person/one God, before God
bought His Word out of Himself,
God and his Word were not always two persons
God bought forth his Word out of Himself and then there were two of that one and the same Spirit that is God

God's wisdom/God's Word always existed in God, of course

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 1:41pm On May 13, 2023
NNTR:
Please tell, what according to your understanding, do you know that, last, last, will happen to hell? In your reply please dont mistake hell for the Lake of fire though

Which guys?
Who are the guys that don't understand the perfection and unlimited power of God?

The same two questions I asked dearest beloved, Ken4Christ, which he give answers to, I' ll you too, the two simple questions, as seen below:

1. According to your understanding, do you really think that tormenting souls of human beings, in a way, that permanently continues and lasts forever, is something that God is looking forward to get pleasure from? Hmm?
2. According to your understanding, do you really believe that, ABBA, a good and loving Influencer, (i.e. God) will, non-stop barbecue burn human beings (i.e. human beings with souls and have intact flesh or bodies) and souls (i.e. human beings, with soul but are no more with flesh or bodies) in the lake of fire FOREVER? Hmm?

All what you typed here, is nothing other than pretentious balderdash. Sorry.

Matthew 10:28
And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.


Ezekiel 18:20a
The soul that sinneth, it shall die ...

1. What part of the meaning of the word 'kill' in Matthew 10:28, dont you understand or appreciate the meaning of?
2. What part in the meaning of the word 'die' in Ezekiel 18:20a, dont you understand or appreciate the meaning of. Hmm?
3. Who told you, where did you get that the devil has a soul? Hmm?
4. Do you know the core reason why satan and its demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings) are irredeemable? Tell me, then please, if you know

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

God does not send people to hell. Your decision does. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But if you choose to ignore the warning of God's word, you shouldn't blame God. The choice is yours.

Trying to defend your preconceived opinion about hell while ignoring so many scriptures that affirms its existence is spiritual fraud.

Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire but only after it has released everyone in it for judgment.

No one can kill a soul. It can only be tormented.

The scripture which says that the soul that sinneth, it shall die is not referring to the immortal soul. Check the origin Hebrew word for the word soul used here, you will find out its different from the immortal soul.

Soul in this context refers to a person.

Check your dictionary for most words, you will find out that they have multiple meaning. So, it's wrong to just assume a particular word means the same thing in all context.

Maybe, you may have to go back to school to study English language.

This brainwashing by Rutherford and Russell is really damaging. They will suffer greater punishment in hell for confusing and misleading countless millions of people across the world.

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