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Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 5:24pm On May 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:The gospel is meant for bad people to repent. They are sin-sick. More often than not what can cure them is not to sugarcoat them with sweet lies about the Kingdom they are not part of yet but the bitter pill of the danger of remaining in sin. It's those who have repented and are saved that can be taught further about the gains of the Kingdom they are now part of. Please stop deceiving people that they are going to enjoy Paradise on earth by works of going about and sharing books when they are yet to taste the saving grace of Christ. Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:42pm On May 12, 2023 |
1Sharon:Please explain. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:43pm On May 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:How please? |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by Janosky: 9:14pm On May 12, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Jesus Christ did NOT, NEVER said "hellfire". At Matthew 23:15, Jesus Christ said "Gehenna" ( Gehinnom in hebrew, gabbage dump outside Jerusalem). In the parable of the rich man, Jesus said "Hades" not hellfire. Oga, please don't DECEIVE yourself. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by Janosky: 9:32pm On May 12, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Why misquote your Bible? Is hellfire written in Romans 3:23? You say hellfire is perpetual torture. Oga, what is perdition? Is perdition meaning perpetual torture? Oga, don't be mischievous. FreedomfromtheT: 2 Peter 2:6 Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people" Oga, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. what Sodom and Gomorrah lose? Did your own Bible say ungodly people will receive the same punishment like Sodom and Gomorrah? Is your God still torturing Sodom and Gomorrah today? |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:37am On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: This is a lie, the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom wasn't for BAD PEOPLE! This is what Jesus said when sending his disciples out for the preaching: "go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:6 Here Jesus is directing them to search for good people whose hearts are weighed down by the bad things happening in the world so they can have full confidence in the promises of God. BAD PEOPLE don't expect anything from God but GOOD PEOPLE are searching for God with all their hearts despite all the contradictions Satan has caused to mislead them they feel like knowing how to serve God. For Instance Jesus found a Samaritan woman by Jacob's well from their discussion it's obvious this woman wants to know the secret behind the contradictions in worship {John 4:20} this are the type of people Jesus sent us to fish out {Mark 1:17} not evil people who don't even care about God. The two thieves besides Jesus at his execution is another account to consider one has a good conscience while the other doesn't care {Luke 23:40} Jesus didn't preach to any of them at his execution rather it's the other unrepentant guy that started this conversation the good one was feeling guilty already looking for a way to approach Jesus but he doesn't know how to go about it not until he had the opportunity to voice his apology for not believing what he has heard about the Christ. So my churchgoer friend the GOOD NEWS isn't for BAD PEOPLE o it was strictly reserved for GOOD PEOPLE who don't know how to connect their Creator! GOOD NEWS for GOOD PEOPLE: The meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:11 compare to Matthew 5:5 So follow the way of good people And stay on the paths of the righteous,For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. Proverbs 2:20-21 compare to Matthew 5:11-12 BAD NEWS for BAD PEOPLE: The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God. Psalms 9:17 For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. Psalms 37:9-10 As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it. Proverbs 2:22 I can show you more and more GOOD and BAD news in the Bible but Jesus sent us out for the GOOD NEWS not the BAD. So talk about Jesus' disciples sent out as fishers of men think about Jehovah's Witnesses we are the one and only true Christians that knows the difference between GOOD and BAD NEWS, of course you can't make any competent disciples with BAD NEWS that's why we are called FISHERS of MEN. No fisher goes to the sea threatening the fish and expecting to have a good catch! |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 11:13am On May 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:If everyone were good, there would be no need for the gospel or good news to be preached in the first place. It is because we were all bad or sinful from birth that the gospel is being preached so that those who will can respond to the gospel message and be transformed by Christ the only Saviour. What we Deeper Life Bible Church members and other living Churches preach is Good News in the sense that it gives sinners hope that irrespective of their past or even present sinfulness, they can still be accepted, forgiven and granted entrance into God's Kingdom if they repent and follow Christ henceforth. But the bad news is for those who refuse or spurnthe goods news will suffering in hell for all eternity (John 3:19, Romans 2:5,8,9) Thanks. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 11:39am On May 13, 2023 |
Janosky:You Jehovah's witnesses can choose to believe and propagate what you want people to believe but it doesn't change the Scriptural truth and reality. The soul is immortal. It ever dies (Luke 16:22-28; Luke 23:43; Acts7:55-60; Philippians 1:22-24). The implication is that the sinners of Sodom and Gomorrah are still suffering in hell today and will continue to suffer for all eternity. In the same vein, all unrepentant sinners and backslidders will suffer for all eternity (Matthew 25:41,46). Please don't be deceived. No excuses will avail. Repent today and believe the gospel. Thank you. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:52pm On May 13, 2023 |
Ọ̀DẸ̀ Kumuyi pikin! There is a difference between a BAD person and an UNBELIEVER. Unbelievers don't know anything about God so they don't understand why they should live by the standards set by someone they can't see so they try to figure out what is good and bad on their own. Bad people are those who don't care no matter what happens they've rendered their conscience dead. So there's no preaching that can change them because they're unwilling to think what is good even under good conditions. So when Jesus sent us out he said we should go to the "LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL" Matthew 10:6 Lost sheep means good people who are lost in falsehood. House of Israel means they're supposed to be in the house of faith. So my friend God has nothing good for bad people stop deceiving yourself with Kumuyi he knows nothing about God's word! FreedomfromtheT: |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by sonmvayina(m): 3:49pm On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Lol...I don't hate anybody... Hate is a strong word.... Just speaking for some people.. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by Janosky: 5:34pm On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Mark 3:4, Jesus Christ rejected your claim. Jesus says man kills a soul & also saves a soul.. Mark 3:4 "And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent" Oga,Your quote of holy scriptures is off point. FreedomfromtheT: Is Adam the first evildoer suffering for all eternity? Oga,You read 2 Peter 2:6 & still persists in your folly of TWISTING the holy scriptures. Like Adam like all evildoers. No more no less. Same punishment, Romans 3:23 |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by Kobojunkie: 6:06pm On May 13, 2023 |
I was a Deeper Life member and worker and almost a Pastor for about 20 years. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 6:56pm On May 13, 2023 |
Janosky:Your interpretation of Mark 3:4 is erroneous. Jesus Christ condemned the religious fault-finders for being angry that He healed a man with a withered hand on the Sabbath day hence the question "Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days or to do evil, to save a life or to destroy it?". Obviously, He meant that if one is in a position to heal a sick person or help such a one but doesn't do it (due to religious dogma), he is inadvertently destroying the person. So it is erroneous to equate a life which a man can decide either to preserve or to kill with the immortal soul which a man doesn't have power over (Luke 12:4,5 "And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body and after that have no more than they can do, but I will forwarn you whom ye shall fear, FEAR HIM WHICH AFTER HE HAS KILLED, HAS POWER TO CAST INTO HELL: YEA, I SAY UNTO YOU, FEAR HIM". Therefore, we can see clearly here that the hell that Jesus, the embodiment of truth meant, is not just the grave as erroneously propagated by the false teachers because it is fellow humans that bury dead people and not God. The hell Jesus meant is obviously a horrible place of suffering hence the serious warning (Luke12:4,5). God's word is not a respecter of any unrepentant sinner who dies in sin -Adam or Cain, Dothan, Korah or Abiram, Balaam or Balak, Saul or Ahitophel, Delilah or Jezebel, Judas Iscariot or Annanais and Saphirah. So repent today and believe the gospel. Tomorrow might be too late. The excuse that Jehovah's witnesses deceived or confused you is not tenable before God. Please don't make an eternally uncorrectable mistake. Thank you. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:03pm On May 13, 2023 |
sonmvayina:Ok. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:10pm On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Did your Bible say this people are in a place of suffering or your Mr Kumuyi assumed so? Jesus never preached Hell to anyone who is not an Israelite because the Israelites knew what Hell (Hades) means that it's the common Grave of all mankind. So they knew that while some will be remembered for resurrection many will be forgotten in their Graves! Psalms 9:17 That's what Jesus was use illustration (parables) to teach his Jewish listeners {Matthew 13:13, 34} there is no literal place where God reserved to roast people! Jeremiah 7:31 |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:17pm On May 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Whether an unbeliever or a bad person, as sinner is a sinner until he/she responds to the saving gospel of Christ. Nobody, irrespective of how bad or hardened is beyond redemption as long as he/she is still breathing. Experience has shown that a lot of formerly difficult people have totally repented and given their lives to Christ while certain religiously inclined or self-righteous moralists unfortunately remain in their sins which they claim is too insignificant till death. For your information, what I type here is the truth I have known before I joined Deeper Life Bible Church. So this your anti Kumuyi propaganda is neither here nor there. Thank you. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:28pm On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Whether you respond or not you're still a sinner that's why you must grow old, get sick and die like all sinners do! Romans 3:23; 5:12 The only chance we have is the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to have our names written in God's memory book {Job 14:13-15 compare to Malachi 3:16} so there is a big difference between a BAD PERSON and an UNBELIEVER. Even demons believe in God yet they're evil {James 2:19} so despite the fact that they're believe in God humans who don't believe but kept their good conscience will be rewarded {Romans 2:15} whereas demons that believe will be destroyed. So there's a big difference between being bad and unbelieving! |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:35pm On May 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:You can continue your self-deception until you die. By then it will be too late. This your Kumuyi propaganda is becoming stale. Your hatred and envy for the anointed and respected man of God cannot stop God from continuing to use him to get millions more into His Kingdom. Your attempt at character assassinating pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi cannot stop God from continuously using him as an instrument to heal multitudes of sick people, to open the eyes of the blind, to make the deaf and dumb hear and speak, to raise the lame and crippled to walk again, to make the mad well again, to remove hunchbacks, to open barren wombs to bear miracle children etc. Currently, pastor Kumuyi is holding a children/teenagers program from Abuja, Nigeria tagged STARS to the rest of the world with great things happening. There is nothing haters can do about it. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:41pm On May 13, 2023 |
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself! God never listed names of people regarding your hellfire brouhaha death is the ultimate wage for sin {Romans 6:23} at death man's sin has been cancelled! Romans 6:7 The only difference between the good and the bad is that God is willing to restore life back to those who chose to be good {Job 14:13-15} but as for bad people they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17 You might have chosen the religion of your choice but i'm proving to you that it's based on credulity not on what God's word really teach! FreedomfromtheT: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:46pm On May 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:You are so wrong sir. Once you genuinely respond to the saving gospel, you will be saved from sin by Christ and thus no longer a sinner(except such a person backslides). That the saved person will eventually grow old and die doesn't make the saint a sinner. A sinner remains a sinner until he/she comes to the saving knowledge of Christ. Try it today sir and see the difference between a saved Christian and a merely religious person. Thank you. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:55pm On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Ọmọ the only reason why people are dying is SIN so whether you accept Jesus or not you're still a sinner that's why you must grow old, get sick and die! The only difference is saving grace which makes the names of repentant sinners appear in God's memory book. Sinner is sinner it's being the REPENTANT or UNREPENTANT that makes a DIFFERENCE! |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:58pm On May 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Both the sinners and the righteous will die. So death referred to in Romans 3:23 is not the untimate wage for sin. There is punishment beyond death for the unrepentant sinners and backslidders (Matthew 25:41,46; Luke 12:4,5; Ist Thessalonians 1:10; 2nd Peter 2:17-22; Jude verse 13; Revelations 21:. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 8:08pm On May 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:You contradict yourself sir. You can't be saved by grace through Christ the Saviour, with your name written in God's Book of Life and yet remain a sinner at the same time. NEVER! (John 3:1-10). A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is no longer a sinner. This your statement is an evidence that you are not yet saved in the real sense of the word. "The blind cannot lead the blind" according to our Lord Jesus Christ. Be certain you are saved before it becomes too late. Thank you. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:08pm On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Death is the wages for sin so all Adam's descendants must die because we have all inherited sin from Adam {Romans 5:12} after that resurrection of both the RIGHTEOUS and UNRIGHTEOUS will take place! Act 24:15 The RIGHTEOUS are faithful servants of God who lived by God's standards so their names has been listed in God's memory book for their faith! Hebrews 11:4-34 The UNRIGHTEOUS are good people who don't know the God of Abraham but lived by the law of conscience {Romans 2:15} God will recall them to be trained under Christ's 1,000 years reign! Revelations 20:1-3 As for EVILDOERS they will never be recalled their memories has been deleted completely! Psalms 9:17 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:21pm On May 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Are you more Christian than Apostle Paul? Well he explained that he is still a sinner despite being saved! Romans 7:15-25 compare to James 3:2 |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:13am On May 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Here you are again with your erroneous interpretation of the Scriptures to justify your sinfulness while claiming to be a Christian. Romans 7:15-25 Is a vivid description of the unsaved religious person still struggling with sin. Earlier in Romans 6:1,2, the same Paul said emphatically that a genuinely saved Christian cannot continue in sin and expect the grace of God to abound. In James 3:2 that you quoted, the Apostle James was admonishing Christians especially the leaders to be careful because if not, they will sin with their mouths. You need to read the entire chapter 3 of James to see that Apostle James was talking about the relationship between the state of the heart and what we say with our mouths. He was not justifying malice, envying and strife the heart that leads to cursing and bitter outbursts. Those are characteristics of the unsaved and should not be associated with the saints. You can see that you Jehovah's witnesses and other unsaved religious sinners can't teach experiencial salvation and purity of life because you can't give what you don't have. Please come to Christ today and get saved before you die. Thank you. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by FreedomfromtheT: 7:29am On May 14, 2023 |
[quote author=Kobojunkie post=123115848][/quote]I don't think the person you quoted really knows what Deeper Life emphasizes. He or she is most likely a member of Jehovah's witnesses because of the mentioning of Trinity. Deeper Life doesn't major in tithes and offerings neither do they treaten anyone with hellfire for not paying tithes. Deeper Life hardly engages in demon casting. Deeper Life wants all to get saved, serve God acceptably and get to heaven. Deeper Life Bible Church is a place to be for those who desire to experience genuine love, be truly happy, succeed here on earth and make heaven eventually. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by Nobody: 7:51am On May 14, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Why do Nigerians always describe anyone that doesn't agree with their line of thoughts as being envious or hateful? I've never noticed this chatting with Europeans/Americans etc (I don't know about other Africans though). Is it that Nigerians are not capable beyond 2 dimensional (black or white) reasoning or something? |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by Janosky: 8:36pm On May 14, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Mark 3:4 "And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent" Oga, that is the correct rendition of Mark 3:4 exposure of your delusion. It's not my interpretation You claim to read Bible & you don't know that Soul means life? You still don't know that soul means a living person? You still don't know that to save a living person is to save a soul/ life? Oga, please stop DECEIVING YOURSELF. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:41am On May 15, 2023 |
Your problem is misconception! Apostle Paul's letter is clear, sin made us all imperfect so we make mistakes several times {James 3:2} due to our inherited sin {Proverbs 24:16} but when imperfection makes us to sin we shouldn't justify it, God will speak to us through one of our brothers {Matthew 18:15} trying to justify our error means we aren't repentant but whether you're a believer or not you're still a sinner due to Adamic sin that's why you will make mistakes, grow old, get sick and die because that's the wages of sin! Romans 6:23 A real believer has the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus to redeem him so even though he dies Jesus will bring him back to life in God's Kingdom! John 11:25 FreedomfromtheT: |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by Janosky: 12:18pm On May 15, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT:Soul= Life. Soul/Life= Living person/human being. Jesus Christ did not teach the Greek pagan philosophy called "immortal soul". FreedomfromtheT: Kumuyi your Pastor knows that Jesus Christ NEVER mention Hellfire or hell anywhere in your Bible. At Luke 12:5 Gehenna was mistranslated as hell. Oga, I challenge you to confirm this fact from kumuyi. |
Re: Why Do Many People Hate Deeper Life by MightySparrow: 6:03pm On May 15, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Don't JWs feel they are special? GB teachers their people the are specially positioned to inherit other people's land, houses, cars, planes etc. Holy stealing like Antichristian's Mohammed's We are special - pentecostal family. |
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