T8ksy:

@ bolded, Haba! why are you expending vauable energy worrying about lagos when you could be using all your so-called ingenuity into turning
your homeland into the new "dubai" of africa.

Lagos was okay before you guys came on the scene and by jove lagos will be okay when you guys vermoose back to where you came from.

lagcity:

I'm Agbero? you don't have to be so emotional and rude. just telling it like it is. Petty trading is not brain surgery.

Obiagu1:

Sorry bro, when I said "you", I meant your people not you. Agboro is their most favourite occupation.

manny4life:

Lol, spare our lives? God will spare your life and so others but like you said, it's an interesting time and interesting times come with interesting approach, with interesting approach, when radically  and interestingly implemented, turns into interesting results. I mean what do u think?

Obiagu1:

Sorry but I was just wondering what will happen.

We all know how Lagos came to be. Don't worry, only if GEJ will muster the courage to make one Eastern city the new federal capital.

Obiagu1:

Lagos is a city whose future is hanging on a very thin string.

Obiagu1:

Sorry but I was just wondering what will happen.

We all know how Lagos come to be. Don't worry, only if GEJ will muster the courage to make one Eastern city the new federal capital.

jason123:

Nice phrases!
My opinion about this is, I will be willing to see how a river port (after the Niger bridge, so large ships can't come in) will affect the economy of Lagos. With that said, I wish the SE the very best! After all; the better a state or zone becomes, the better it is for Nigeria.

jason123:

C'mon, Calabar was the capital before Lagos! Yet, you want GEJ to move the capital to the "East" twice?! That one no good oo!

Obiagu1:

It will not; it will only reduce the volume of lorries running that evil Lagos-Benin road. Most containers will still dock in Lagos before they are transferred to smaller ones that will head to Onitsha. It's only the deep seaport in Akwa Ibom that will affect Lagos.

Obiagu1:

It should be tried because some have been wondering how the East could turn to Dubai.

jason123:

. . .and that is under construction, isn't it?

jason123:

Nice phrases!
My opinion about this is, I will be willing to see how a river port (after the Niger bridge, so large ships can't come in) will affect the economy of Lagos. With that said, I wish the SE the very best! After all; the better a state or zone becomes, the better it is for Nigeria.

tpia@:

given the size of nigeria, im yet to see how having multiple seaports is supposed to significantly affect any one area eg lagos.

even during the slave trade, the lagos port was bustling and likewise the calabar/akwa ibom port was also bustling. Everybody shipped their markets from the multiple seaports.

whats more likely to happen is your central african cousins might migrate to nigeria or that area more and establish more trade links in whatever form, or vice versa.

on the lagos axis, business will continue as usual but with the slight chance of a reduction in population.

maybe.

tpia@:

given the size of nigeria, im yet to see how having multiple seaports is supposed to significantly affect any one area eg lagos.

even during the slave trade, the lagos port was bustling and likewise the calabar/akwa ibom port was also bustling. Everybody shipped their markets from the multiple seaports.

whats more likely to happen is your central african cousins might migrate to nigeria or that area more and establish more trade links in whatever form, or vice versa.

on the lagos axis, business will continue as usual but with the slight chance of a reduction in population.

maybe.

Obiagu1:

Of course.

manny4life:


Look, while SIZE is good, it's always isn't the case. I think real people are beginning to consider more of efficiency rather than size, although I don't know how big of a ship you talk about. Obviously a ship carrying more than 5,000 TEU's might not be able to dock there, that's why you make use of Barges (efficiency) that carry triple digit ### teu (think about the HUB and SPOKE SYSTEM). Besides, small/ mid size ships / barges will be able to penetrate like those carry dry products. I mean, the maritime constructors / engineers thought about all these but then again, this is an ongoing development and keep in mind I said, though it's a stepping stone, but the HIT is inevitable.

jason123:

Apart from that, most seem to neglect the fact that Igbos are in these cities (Lagos and co) to SELL their products. [b]Why will a business man need to import his goods through, let's say, Onicha. When most of his consumers are in Lagos, Abuja etc. Hope you get me?[/b]

jason123:

+10
That's my guess as well. Population may reduce but business will continue . . . .
Good. Do you know when its scheduled to be completed?TBH, I don't know some of the terminologies you used but I got the basic message.
Your point about efficiency and dry products is valid but irrelevant in this context, in the sense that, most of the goods Igbo traders import are electronics, cars and spare parts. Others are very few. And I have not heard of Igbos in the food or textile business (I have not heard does not mean it does not exist). With that said, it's fair to say most of their goods will still need Lagos prior to the completion of the Akwa Ibom port (since they are bulky items).

Apart from that, most seem to neglect the fact that Igbos are in these cities (Lagos and co) to SELL their products. Why will a business man need to import his goods through, let's say, Onicha. When most of his consumers are in Lagos, Abuja etc. Hope you get me?

jason123:



Apart from that, most seem to neglect the fact that Igbos are in these cities (Lagos and co) to SELL their products. Why will a business man need to import his goods through, let's say, Onicha. When most of his consumers are in Lagos, Abuja etc. Hope you get me?

lagcity:

^^^^^^^
don't worry. Lekki port will decongest everything.

manny4life:


Sorry my bad, I will breakdown on explanation next time. When I talk about TEU's, it's a standard term used in maritime referred to as Twenty Equivalent Units (TEU's) called 20" containers. I believe that most those same goods Igbo people import or export comes in TEU's or FEU's (in containers). When I mean dry products, I was cautious not to use "FOOD", I was referring to Dry Bulk carriers that carry grain, ore etc or General cargo etc. Sorry for the confusion but these ships some large although many are quite small compared to Container carriers or Oil Tankers Carriers.


When I talked about Hub and Spoke, it's a term used in transportation, I learned  it when I worked on a project an advanced Aviation economics. Anyway, the way the system works is how a wheel works; there's a center point that connects to so many destinations. It's often used in Aviation and Maritime Logistics in that there is a CONNECTING POINT of transfer that leads to other destinations. For instance, large ships in the US cannot reach the tens of ports throughout the U.S., so they employ that technique. example when a large ship carrying about 5,000 TEU's is about 200miles out from its port of call, smaller ship / barges (ability to carry about 500 TEU's or more) converge at that point and containers are transferred. This is due to that large ships carry their own equipment and can do these, they are able to reach other destination via smaller ships. You get the point right.

Hey I'm in NO DOUBT that Igbo's are there to sell their goods or otherwise, as a matter of fact, Lagos has strong economic presence, but what Igbo trader wouldn't want to expand his or her reach? While there is viability in LAGOS (NO DOUBT), if you make an opportunity for another viability, people will like to explore it. Do you think Lagos traders / importers don't want the option to reach the east directly? All are options, and keep in mind when I was talking about Lagos getting a HIT, I was referring to in the Long run should there be a deep water port. Moreover, it was your cohorts who started the "IGBO's should leave Lagos" and that was the response to all that and obviously if everything remains equal and truly Igbo leaves (which isn't the case), we know the effect.

YES I understand your point.

South-East:

If Igbos depart in large #s back to the East, that will deflate Lagos' population dramatically. Also note, in case you do not know already, that many traders from Lagos come to Aba and Onitsha to buy and resell in Lagos. So, the rump of traders in Lagos will still continue to do same

manny4life:


You're really expecting a response from me, well u have it, Go on and enjoy it.

manny4life:

@ Jason,

If I were in an opportunity to make certain decisions, I will advocate for this Hub and Spoke system. This system work, shipping companies love it, they can carry more goods (make more money of course), and since they are really organized compared to our Nigerian system, it will help a lot to those people in the East who want to import but have to go through port hassles in Lagos. I don't know how current it is, but my research of not to recent ago, reports stated that ships often wait for a few days to berth in Lagos, then it takes for ever to unload it's goods. Anyway, this will decongest Lagos greatly if Nigeria employs this system

South-East:

If Igbos depart in large #s back to the East, that will deflate Lagos' population dramatically. Also note, in case you do not know already,  that many traders from Lagos come to Aba and Onitsha to buy and resell in Lagos. So, the rump of traders in Lagos will still continue to do same

lagcity:


the big word here is IF. everything is just if if if.

jason123:

@Lagcity
Lol!

Thanks for the explanation. It makes a lot of sense. But aren't those large ship (the ones out at sea) going to pay Lagos for using her territorial space. After all, River's state and Bayelsa state's oil are mostly out at sea. 200 miles out is pretty much within Lagos/Nigeria's boundary, so, Lagos port still gets paid, right?


Reaching the "East" directly has almost, always been done. The Warri port (to get to Asaba and subsequently via the Niger bridge to the SE), Port of pennigton in Bayelsa and the TWO Sea ports in Rivers and and one in Calabar. If you are talking about SE, it still will not make much of a difference. There is no way you can separate Rivers from the SE.
Agreed that they are all options and I have nothing against it (read the beginning of the thread).
This is a MY opinion; a deep will only reduce the teeming population of Lagos. It may slightly affect Lagos but I don't see a drastic effect. Who knows, I might be wrong.
As for the bruhaha about Igbo leaving Lagos by some Yorubas. Its all internet BSing! I don't see a 4th generation Igbo leaving. Neither do I see an Igbo man who's main consumers are in Lagos, leaving.
Most Igbos are Lagosians in heart, mind and soul. More Lagosian than some "omo ekos". There has never been animosity between the two groups in Lagos. All the negatives you hear or see are on the internet. I wouldn't take them serious. You should know this by now .

South-East:

Why should Igbos even depart Lagos? For those who desire, they should keep living there but should repatriate most of their investments home. You and I discussed some of these things a few threads ago. In any case, Lagos will never be the same if some of the infrastructure we see being put in place finally take off.

manny4life:


According to Maritime Law and if I quote correctly, only the Federal Govt of the international body owns the boundary of such waters except if its on International waters. So since it's 200 to 250 miles out, I don't have a map but yes it's already on Nigerian waters but shipping companies often transfer on international waters and that depends on the scenario but either way, it's international waters or Nigerian Body which is FULLY CONTROLLED by the Nigerian Maritime Authority so NO they don't pay anything to Lagos, that is federal jurisdiction. Lagos has local inland waterways they you pay but large ships cannot go through them. They will pay federal navigation charges as well as international charges and NOT to Lagos. Lagos ONLY benefits if it wants to impose a tax for importing through the state water, that's all they can do. As for the rest of the Internet BS, I know that's what it is and don't think too much into it.

lagcity:

exactly, why should anybody depart anywhere? [/b]I also agree that there should be even development in Nigeria. [b]We need like 5 more Lagos in Nigeria.

jason123:

Supported! Who knows, it might be used to convey goods to the NC and subsequently the "North" through River Niger and Benue. Moreover, is the system not more expensive given the fact that it involves multiple stages and ship. Not to talk of the logistical problems it might pose? Pls, bear with me if I don't fully understand it.