If you can't cope with Nigerian lady u better marry in Western country, you are just reasoning as your doing the lady favour

beekind:

The bolded is exactly what I thought until I found out that majority of those you think are decent girls are just pretenders especially in religious settings.
When you meet them outside of religious settings, you can lay them on the same day.

I am not making this up, I have been in the country long enough to realise whatsup.

I am not saying there are no good girls but majority are baaaaaaaaaaaaaaddd...

My sister is available, i can confirm that for u to be open to her is a sign of honesty

Women should understand that their value decreases as they age. Men seek to marry valuable women. A 29 year old single mother should be grateful to get this kind of deal. If roles were reversed, women would not settle for a low value man.

Men should begin to view marriage as transactional. Women view marriage are transactional.
That being said, Functional families should strive to raise high value kids.

Shalom

beekind:

You are as ignorant as they come.
If I am a citizen of a country, my children born to me anywhere in the world are also citizens of that country wherever they are born.

Ofcourse I will have to apply for their passports.

What he meant actually is, before applying for the passport, won't they first apply for their own citizenship first? That's how a country like Australia does theirs.

If a person has a parent who is an Australian, just one of the parent, to be a citizen, such a person will first apply like every other person as far he can provide proof of one of the parents being a citizen, then when granted, only then he can go on and apply for a passport, which to me is still the same as being an automatic citizen, cuz such applications always get granted as far as the person provide proof of the parents being a citizen.

beekind:

She didnt wanna do the test and so I let her go.

You mean she didn’t want to do the fertility tests?
Sounds unbelievable tho.
She could have easily done the tests in other hospitals and be sure all was ok. unless there’s more to this sha

beekind:

In a country where even girls with no baggage are still searching for husbands in their mid 30s . Or who are the ladies dating all these married men.
It seems objectivity is a lost art in Nigeria as majority of Nigerians tend to ignore the reality, sometimes I think they deliberately do this or the educational system is so bad that its become really difficult to reason without emotions.

Otherwise, how would you say having a child who is a dual citizen is not a blessing, when more than half of single girls are there dating married men, so are they any better than this lady if she takes this offer ?

What she is saying is having a child with dual nationality is no guarantee that the child will turn out right. It would be better for this woman to marry someone who would be with her through thick and thin and together they could show their children what good parenting looks like. The impact on the next generation would be significant.

On a multigenerational basis this is not a good deal for the woman. Even if she marries a guy of modest means who guarantees her commitment and with whom she can bring up their children together. Even if they live in a one BR - it is a better deal than what you are offering. We all know poor families whose children outperformed children from wealthier families.

This deal is for a predetermined dysfunctional home and setting for the children.

The offer is based on "whataboutism" which is not a statistically accurate means of reaching any decision.

beekind:
I am in my mid 30s, very comfortable and a dual citizen of Nigeria and a first world country.
I decided to relocate back to Nigeria because of starting a family and having my own children.
Since arriving the country and based on my experiences so far, my plans have changed.

I decided to first focus on having children as I found out that the Nigerian society has become almost worse than the west in terms of sexual debauchery.
People have sex for indomine, girls commit abortion without remorse, the worst thing is that no one here uses protection and by the time your average Nigerian girl reaches 30 years old, she has aborted 4 times, slept with almost 100 men and contacted several stds in the process.

What this means is that disciplined men like me are left with these category of girls, worst still is that they come very entitled and empty and can even ruin you with their lifestyle as they are usually impossible to reform.

Solution:
I had to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluated my plan, I have an ex-girlfriend (29 years old) whom I am very close with. She fits the bill in terms of who I want as a life partner but she is a single mother.
So I gave her a choice.

Have 2 children for me, those 2 children will automatically become dual citizens and I might consider marrying you and adopting your child but even if I don't marry you, your 2 children that you have by me will be taken care of and being dual citizens of a developed country they can turn to a blessing for you and your whole family in future.

Now, let me explain, I still love this lady and my decision was premised on how uncertain I am of what my choice will be in the future as such I wanted to be very open from the beginning, but even at this point, I can not guarantee I will marry her but I could depending on what happens in future.

She's going to give me a feedback later and I am quite positive she will take the offer.

If it were you faced with this option, what would you do ?

Hmmm, I understand the angle you’re coming from. You have opened up to her, the ball is in her court.
Sometimes, I wonder why men on this platform feels good girls don’t exist or are hard to fine. The truth is there a lot of good girls here in this country or maybe I’m living in another country called Nigeria lol, it is well.

beekind:

A man puts all his cards on the table and you call him a narcissist.

Its you who has been brainwashed and the irony is that you all are hypocrites.

The bible that you lot cling on to proove your rights state that you should be a virgin at marriage.

You spend your best years sleeping around and have the gut to tell a man not to state his own terms.

Atleast I am being honest in my request.

No sir, you are a shameless hypocrite and you have nobody to tell you.

You want to eat your cake and have it.

You have no cards on the table.

You will never accept any position contrary to yours so just step out the thread and let us be.

Merci.

olabrinks:
you’ll realise this man probably has nothing hence running to Nigeria to find a naive single mother to settle down with. Men with money and success do not behave like this. They have many options even in the west. There’s obviously something wrong with this man, he is not normal.

I know exactly what’s wrong with him. He is probably “born again”. You know the type; So arrogantly self righteous, constantly finding fault and criticizing everybody else as sinners despite their own MANY shortcomings.

No one here asked how he found out so called “church girls” are bad. Was it not by engaging in the act with them?

If you’ve ever seen this skit, that is exactly the type of man he is.


https://m.facebook.com/100063801833326/videos/if-you-were-the-lady-how-would-you-address-this-situation-everydaylagostv-krakst/656506802108137/

AllenSpencer:
I want to believe the girl is hungry and why you had the effrontery to throw such proposal at her!

She should become a baby mama because of dual citizenship? Does dual citizenship [/b]guarantee her love, affection, or marriage. Will same dual citizenship put food on her table in an eventuality?

[b]Location does not “GUARANTEE” that kids will be a blessing. There are records of kids becoming very successful within Nigeria and internationally.

I don’t see a single thing she has to gain. If she was selling the babies to you, that would have been better. She has absolutely nothing to gain. All promises made are not guaranteed. Moreover, the proposal is insultive.

She's already a Baby Mama and Location sure matter here...

beekind:

I have never seen this kind of response in forums in the western world, part of the reason we are a third world country is that people are unable to articulate themselves objectively.
What is the point of this emotional rebuttal.

If someone gives my sister that option, its her choice not mine and I wouldn't feel anything since shes not being coerced, shes being given an option which she can choose to accept or reject.

As a matter of fact, it is better to meet someone who is honest from the get go about what he wants than to marry, abandon the lady and travel back abroad which a lot of Nigerian men do , they leave their wives here and refuse to sponsor her abroad.

So me putting all my cards on the table is a sign of integrity in case you do not realise that.

PINKY: You are a man of integrity. Keep it up.


However, if your mind is eventually going to drop off this woman in the future because she already has a child; then - it means that you don't like the fact that she has a child for another man already.

I Think BRAIN Has something to also say.


BRAIN: You can simply keep off such relationship than damage her heart in the future because she would be thinking that she would be able to change your mentality to settle with her.


If you cannot treat her child like yours, then don't even impregnate her.

Come over here to Cross River State. There are Many Single, Hardworking and Responsible Ladies Who You Can Engage With From The Many Villages around here.


I'm A Tourist here. And I abandoned The Lagos City Life 3 Years Ago To Relocate To Search and Settle With A Wife from The Abundance of Responsible Women Available.


So, If You Aren't Scared of Adventures, You can travel to any village of your choice in Nigeria, There are Still Modest and Single Learned Ladies that You can Remodel and Upgrade To Your Standard.

This is a business transaction and not a relationship.

What you trnsact is not money but children which is bide by an agreement.

Nice one...

Even some Nigerians in a developed country spoil pass Nigerians at home.( Not all though) .

beekind:
I am in my mid 30s, very comfortable and a dual citizen of Nigeria and a first world country.
I decided to relocate back to Nigeria because of starting a family and having my own children.
Since arriving the country and based on my experiences so far, my plans have changed.

I decided to first focus on having children as I found out that the Nigerian society has become almost worse than the west in terms of sexual debauchery.
People have sex for indomine, girls commit abortion without remorse, the worst thing is that no one here uses protection and by the time your average Nigerian girl reaches 30 years old, she has aborted 4 times, slept with almost 100 men and contacted several stds in the process.

What this means is that disciplined men like me are left with these category of girls, worst still is that they come very entitled and empty and can even ruin you with their lifestyle as they are usually impossible to reform.

Solution:
I had to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluated my plan, I have an ex-girlfriend (29 years old) whom I am very close with. She fits the bill in terms of who I want as a life partner but she is a single mother.
So I gave her a choice.

Have 2 children for me, those 2 children will automatically become dual citizens and I might consider marrying you and adopting your child but even if I don't marry you, your 2 children that you have by me will be taken care of and being dual citizens of a developed country they can turn to a blessing for you and your whole family in future.

Now, let me explain, I still love this lady and my decision was premised on how uncertain I am of what my choice will be in the future as such I wanted to be very open from the beginning, but even at this point, I can not guarantee I will marry her but I could depending on what happens in future.

She's going to give me a feedback later and I am quite positive she will take the offer.

If it were you faced with this option, what would you do ?

beekind:

I have never seen this kind of response in forums in the western world, part of the reason we are a third world country is that people are unable to articulate themselves objectively.
What is the point of this emotional rebuttal.

If someone gives my sister that option, its her choice not mine and I wouldn't feel anything since shes not being coerced, shes being given an option which she can choose to accept or reject.

As a matter of fact, it is better to meet someone who is honest from the get go about what he wants than to marry, abandon the lady and travel back abroad which a lot of Nigerian men do , they leave their wives here and refuse to sponsor her abroad.

So me putting all my cards on the table is a sign of integrity in case you do not realise that.

You b real Odogwu.. Infact u and I are Odogwus

AlphaHakimi:
Women should understand that their value decreases as they age. Men seek to marry valuable women. A 29 year old single mother should be grateful to get this kind of deal. If roles were reversed, women would not settle for a low value man.

Men should begin to view marriage as transactional. Women view marriage are transactional.
That being said, Functional families should strive to raise high value kids.

Shalom

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BRAIN: Ododo Oro.

sammychimex:



Werey you lie too much!!! You came back form a first world country to come and have children in Nigeria, and you are still telling us that your children with a Nigerian father born in Nigeria will have dual citizenship? Oga go and reason your story properly then comeback and post a more comprehensive lie.

If the guy is already a citizen, his kids can only be dual citizen if they apply for their citizenship of the country the parent is a citizen of. It's not an automatic something as claimed. They will only need to apply as far as the kids can show they have a parent who is a citizen, especially if the parent is no longer alive. They just need to show a proof and they will grant the application and they can go on and also apply for their passports.

But if the parent is still alive, he can help them apply. In any way, such applications are always granted as far as valid proof is provided. Such proof can be providing the citizen certificate of the parent. If such is not available, they will then check their data base for the parent data.

So, in essence, it's still more like a semi automatic citizenship as it really doesn't require much rigorous documents to apply. Just providing a valid proof of one of their parents being a citizen is all they need to be granted.

sammychimex:



Werey you lie too much!!! You came back form a first world country to come and have children in Nigeria, and you are still telling us that your children with a Nigerian father born in Nigeria will have dual citizenship? Oga go and reason your story properly then comeback and post a more comprehensive lie.

Read his story again.
He has a dual citizenship.

beekind:
I am in my mid 30s, very comfortable and a dual citizen of Nigeria and a first world country.
I decided to relocate back to Nigeria because of starting a family and having my own children.
Since arriving the country and based on my experiences so far, my plans have changed.

I decided to first focus on having children as I found out that the Nigerian society has become almost worse than the west in terms of sexual debauchery.
People have sex for indomine, girls commit abortion without remorse, the worst thing is that no one here uses protection and by the time your average Nigerian girl reaches 30 years old, she has aborted 4 times, slept with almost 100 men and contacted several stds in the process.

What this means is that disciplined men like me are left with these category of girls, worst still is that they come very entitled and empty and can even ruin you with their lifestyle as they are usually impossible to reform.

Solution:
I had to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluated my plan, I have an ex-girlfriend (29 years old) whom I am very close with. She fits the bill in terms of who I want as a life partner but she is a single mother.
So I gave her a choice.

Have 2 children for me, those 2 children will automatically become dual citizens and I might consider marrying you and adopting your child but even if I don't marry you, your 2 children that you have by me will be taken care of and being dual citizens of a developed country they can turn to a blessing for you and your whole family in future.

Now, let me explain, I still love this lady and my decision was premised on how uncertain I am of what my choice will be in the future as such I wanted to be very open from the beginning, but even at this point, I can not guarantee I will marry her but I could depending on what happens in future.

She's going to give me a feedback later and I am quite positive she will take the offer.

If it were you faced with this option, what would you do ?

If you still want her, go for her and stop all these conditions attached. Besides, you can lose these privileges that is making you feel ontop of the world in a twinkle of an eye

beekind:

Typical Nigerian youth, unable to articulate himself properly or comprehend what is being said would rather resort to insult.

Thunder fire you, your mouth, your dual citizenship and the nonsense you have written

Nonsense writeup filled with shallow orientation and stupidity covered with self centeredness. Imagine thinking Nigerian women are worse than the degenerates abroad who don't even know how to bath or clean their butt, same ones who have 6 kids from 5 fathers

A low quality Idio.t is what you are and you can't offer anything apart from your useless citizenship

Bro's if someone give your sister such option how would you react?

This guy is full of ego

doggedfighter:


Aside her children by you becoming dual citizens, what other thing is in it for her if you end up not marrying her ?

Don't mind the OP I think he has serious brain problem.

beekind:

Thousands of people some with even better life than most are dieing on the seas attempting to become illegal immigrants in Europe.

I bet more than half of those on this platform will give an arm and a leg to be able to wash toilets in North America.

While there are obviously other advantages to it like the possibility of marriage(although not guaranteed).

The prospect of dual citizenship is enough considering the alternative and the reality on ground.

Stop talking like this, that's what the people here are trying to tell you. You're not God. That's one. Secondly, what benefit will dual citizenship be for her if she can't get love, companionship, bonding, happiness, peace of mind, warmth, comfort? Just what? You don't even know whether you will wife her or not. I don't like men who objectify women, especially ones who feel their presence in my life is a great blessing to me...

No na! You will climb me, pour it in, breed me and expect me to carry the pregnancy to term, fall into labour not once but twice, I may live or die. Afterwards, I may suffer postpartum tendencies and all the shenanigans, I will babysit, nurture another human... You dare talk about all these like it's some business deal you are sealing off on the topmost floor of NSE house. This is unacceptable. And No! This is not a coercion to marry her either. Na una see unaself. She's not my sister. We're just saying reason like someone with blood flowing in his veins. You making it sound like some damsel you want to rescue from abject poverty.

Wear gadgets, follow go space with Astronauts and view The Earth from space. You will only see a tiny dot. You can't tell Makoko from Joe Biden's White House. Laslas, we're all equal before God.

The girl must have a very low self worth.
But ask your sisters if they will take such offers from any man, and even if they do, how will you feel about it?

You are complaining of moral decadence In the society, what makes you any better?
Why didn't you get a woman to have kids with, in your first world country? :-

AllenSpencer:
I want to believe the girl is hungry and why you had the effrontery to throw such proposal at her!

She should become a baby mama because of dual citizenship? Does dual citizenship guarantee her love, affection, or marriage. Will same dual citizenship put food on her table in an eventuality?

Location does not “GUARANTEE” that kids will be a blessing. There are records of kids becoming very successful within Nigeria and internationally.

I don’t see a single thing she has to gain. If she was selling the babies to you, that would have been better. She has absolutely nothing to gain. All promises made are not guaranteed. Moreover, the proposal is insultive.

As in! I don't even know what these men feel like. I feel so irritated

BreconHills:


What she is saying is having a child with dual nationality is no guarantee that the child will turn out right. It would be better for this woman to marry someone who would be with her through thick and thin and together they could show their children what good parenting looks like. The impact on the next generation would be significant.

On a multigenerational basis this is not a good deal for the woman. Even if she marries a guy of modest means who guarantees her commitment and with whom she can bring up their children together. Even if they live in a one BR - it is a better deal than what you are offering. We all know poor families whose children outperformed children from wealthier families.

This deal is for a predetermined dysfunctional home and setting for the children.

The offer is based on "whataboutism" which is not a statistically accurate means of reaching any decision.

You nailed it! Kudos!

simplepee:
As in! I don't even know what these men feel like. I feel so irritated

Even as a man, I am irritated

beekind:
I am in my mid 30s, very comfortable and a dual citizen of Nigeria and a first world country.
I decided to relocate back to Nigeria because of starting a family and having my own children.
Since arriving the country and based on my experiences so far, my plans have changed.

I decided to first focus on having children as I found out that the Nigerian society has become almost worse than the west in terms of sexual debauchery.
People have sex for indomine, girls commit abortion without remorse, the worst thing is that no one here uses protection and by the time your average Nigerian girl reaches 30 years old, she has aborted 4 times, slept with almost 100 men and contacted several stds in the process.

What this means is that disciplined men like me are left with these category of girls, worst still is that they come very entitled and empty and can even ruin you with their lifestyle as they are usually impossible to reform.

Solution:
I had to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluated my plan, I have an ex-girlfriend (29 years old) whom I am very close with. She fits the bill in terms of who I want as a life partner but she is a single mother.
So I gave her a choice.

Have 2 children for me, those 2 children will automatically become dual citizens and I might consider marrying you and adopting your child but even if I don't marry you, your 2 children that you have by me will be taken care of and being dual citizens of a developed country they can turn to a blessing for you and your whole family in future.

Now, let me explain, I still love this lady and my decision was premised on how uncertain I am of what my choice will be in the future as such I wanted to be very open from the beginning, but even at this point, I can not guarantee I will marry her but I could depending on what happens in future.

She's going to give me a feedback later and I am quite positive she will take the offer.

If it were you faced with this option, what would you do ?

Oga stfu abeg. Your replies are screaming arrogance! You want a good woman but you are far from being a good man. “I might consider marrying her” lol!!! Wtf do you think you are? Bro get down from that delusional high horse jare. It’s the girl that’s considering your silly offer I’m pitying because even if you were the last man on earth, I’d rather marry a monkey! Such disgusting attitude! You are a narcissist..you don’t need kids! You need therapy!

what sort of insult...oga go and marry. no bring nothing into nothing

You would saved yourself unnecessary explanations if you just said you're in need of a surrogate mother. Then it's pure business, and it's left for her to accept or not.

But to mask this useless deal with virtue is nothing short of wickedness. Since western citizenship is your prized asset, will you give such offer to a woman that also has western citizenship?

If she accept, then she has automatically put herself in a position of loose loose, where her desires (to be a wife, to be loved, and build a home) is conditional on your discretion.

If you will love your future kids, then you won't put their mother in such conditions by giving this deal. Either you marry her properly or back off. Stop doing one leg in, one leg out.

Besides what's in for her?

Firstly, She won't be your wife, and she won't even have the Western citizenship, she also won't be paid, but her only gain is hope. Hope that the kids would be dual citizens and grow to help her and her family?

Hope that maybe you'll marry her one day? Hope that you won't marry another woman who is your true taste, therefore making her a baby mama with two different fathers?

Why can't you marry her and have a family with her? Will you also be sleeping with her if she agrees to this deal? Will she do wife duties? So she will be in nigeria with the kids, while you're abroad living your life as a single man?

How does that makes you responsible? are you normal?

Your deal is not fair. It's imperialistic. You reduced a human to a baby making machine, while skilfully leveraging your selfishness by presenting it as an asset to her.

I don't blame you much. I blame Nigeria that has made a caricature of their citizens, that even a looser who can't get a woman where they are will be drunk in their idea that casting their net in Nigeria makes them a catch.

You're on track,I really like your honesty. Let her weigh options and go for what she thinks is best. Its all about the future for all the stakeholders. Man is a product of decision making

Single mother is a no no. Keep looking oga

beekind:

In a country where even girls with no baggage are still searching for husbands in their mid 30s . Or who are the ladies dating all these married men.
It seems objectivity is a lost art in Nigeria as majority of Nigerians tend to ignore the reality, sometimes I think they deliberately do this or the educational system is so bad that its become really difficult to reason without emotions.

Otherwise, how would you say having a child who is a dual citizen is not a blessing, when more than half of single girls are there dating married men, so are they any better than this lady if she takes this offer ?

Because you have dual citizen you thought you are Clerk Kent.
Only a low life with no potentials or hope will accept this your offer